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  1. Finally had my first visit to keybox on Sunday afternoon. For all the bitching, whining and troll posting on this thread, I had an amazingly good time. For one, it was really crowded. Which I think is a good thing in this situation. Got to suck off three guys in the extra dark maze. Got fucked standing while someone was giving me head. Had like 5 different guys suck my dick that day and one was so polite asking me to join him in a room so of course I joined him. Turned out to be a real cute guy. Didn’t know since the first encounter was so dark I might as well have been blind. No rooms available so we ended up playing a little in a corner until a room opened up. This sweet guy immediately started cleaning up the bed a little, but I just decided to use my towel as a base instead. More sucking, rimming, licking, some 69, which was all really fun. For a bottom only guy, he has a really nice rock hard cock. Finally, condom on, he lubed up and I entered him. Super tight. He came first and shot all the way to his chest which was really hot. Ended off cumming on him as well and called it a day.
    4 points
  2. That I beg to differ. A gay sauna is a safe place for gays to have their fun without causing problems for members of the public. I bet you don't know that right? I bet you also don't know that police know the existence of gay saunas but did nothing since 1997. (Spartacus was the 1st gay sauna. it was very near to Hong Lim Park Police station.) By the way, some straights do hates gay, but it's worst when some gays also hate themselves for being gay and they try to be straight but they can't help it that they are born this way. What is sadder is that these self-hating gays cannot be straight no matter how much they try. Those labels about gay lifestyle, are just those anti gay views made up by straight, because gays don't behave like the straights. You don't see gay people telling the straights not to have a family lifestyle do you? Ok, you don't go sauna, you don't have sex, so...that's you. Leave the rest to live their own lives.
    2 points
  3. Wanted to say this. Im greedy too.
    2 points
  4. Keybox 28/5 6pm You have a huge dick and you jokingly saying I can't back off after entering the room with you. You commented that your straight friend has buttock like me. I am too shy to ask for your contact after our session. Pm me if you see this.
    2 points
  5. Was at Komanwel Park on Friday (26th) night from around 2030 to 2145. Managed to walk around naked at darker areas around the hill. Managed to get stared at and touched a few times. But didn’t get the chance to ejaculate. Just a note to those who visit there. I saw some couples (didn’t see clearly because it was quite dark; but I could hear them—male and female—talking in Malay) fishing at the lakeside at night. While people like us cruising on the hill, try not to catch the attention of these people so that this park can remain—perhaps the one and only—cruising park for us nowadays.
    2 points
  6. Will be at Tune Hotel for 5 nights. Anyone around wanna hookup? Haha
    2 points
  7. Hello everyone! I am a masseur, providing a pure legit full body Javanese style massage. Javanese massage is a form of a traditional massage originated from Java, Indonesia which acts on the pressure points either by incorporating essential therapeutic oil or moisturing body lotion of your choice depending on your needs and specific body customisation. You may also consider relaxing / sensual massage. No words can explain it better than clients to experience it by themselves as the massage combines a relaxing muscle loosening techniques, body to body massage and sensual massage all at the same time. It may sound erotic, but it is surprisingly stimulating at the same time. I can do prostate massage too if specially requested. Usually my massage started from your back area, your neck, head and shoulders to both of your arms, palm and fingers going down to your spinal, waist, buttocks, legs, your foot and toes, to the front body too like thighs, chest, stomach, groin, etc… My massage incorporates the finest selection of essential therapeutic oils such as Jojoba, Lavender Chamomile, Eucalyptus Rosemary, Rose Yard and Lemongrass which works well in not just moisturising the skin, reduces tension on tired muscles but also rejuvenates your mood during the massage. In-call only: (Javanese massage style) $75 for 90 minutes duration $100 for 120 minutes duration (Combination of relaxing fusion massage style) $90 for 90 minutes duration $120 for 120 minutes duration Body Scrub: $25 for 30 minutes duration (Exfoliating skin with Thai Jasmine, Lemongrass Mint or Rose Yard of your choice) A body scrub removes dead skin cells, increases blood circulation and cleanses skin through exfoliation. Also known as body polish, it consists of a liquid base with exfoliating granules which slough off dead skin when you massage it over your body. This action boosts blood circulation and drains your lymph nodes by increasing the blood flow to your skin’s surface. For enquiry and booking, please add me via Tele or Line ID: eddieadrika Thank you, Joe (I reside alone and my massage is mostly performed in a totally discreet setting and ensuring my client receives the best relaxed ambience possible. My client's privacy is my primary priority. Rest assured that I am fully vaccinated and I do hope that my client too are vaccinated.) *** ALL PICTURES SHOWN ARE FOR ILLUSTRATION PURPOSE ONLY *** “In this hectic life, we have no time to take care of ourselves, hence massage is needed for rejuvenation and stress reduction. A massage is very holistic and natural.” - Nargis Fakhir
    1 point
  8. Go shower after company gym. I went in and my colleague just came out from the cubicle so I just use it then i saw cum stain on the floor so I also jerk, got another colleague beside me but don’t know who but I don’t care if he notice I just cum, shower n go. Then I went to look for that colleague purposely chit chat with him, he looks tired but I know why. Can’t help but I keep staring his after cum bulge lol
    1 point
  9. Hi. It really depends on your luck. I first went cruising at Komanwel Park in 2020, and based on my experience, at least once I encountered a security guard patrolling (I presumed so, because he was riding on a motorbike slowly around the lake) and once I saw a police car coming into the car park next to Sri Petaling LRT station, and just stopped there. By then, I was already on my way walking back to the LRT station (I dressed like a jogger) so nothing happened to me. I wrote about this experience in a Chinese-language forum. There’s always risk and danger when one wants to cruise late night at a park like this. Just stay alert, and ensure that there’s always a way to run quickly if something goes wrong. I do enjoy cruising once in a while at Komanwel Park.
    1 point
  10. Anyone up for some light clean fun? 180 70 28 chinese here seeking similar. Can’t host
    1 point
  11. ToughGuy

    KL CRUISING PLACES

    You should have sucked him dry , others can cruise after he has gone home to sleep,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    1 point
  12. JoJoMan

    Pee Fetish!

    Wow! So kinky indeed
    1 point
  13. Thx for the trip report, appreciate ur time spent :0) "i mite go to hell for saying this" but last week i went to Ten Men. i rarely go to T.M.C. always once in 6 months. i am stocky so i Thot> pple want me. Sadly, Guys at this Sauna are picky so i left "empty handed" 😭 Keybox mite have a crowd that is choosy too, but thankfully, a Stocky guy like me still can have some fun at this Sauna.
    1 point
  14. johnfl

    Looking for Meetups in Penang

    Any big dick want fuck my hole?
    1 point
  15. bluerunner

    Autocircumcision

    The thought of going under the knife and the worry of the pain after the operation are deterring men going for circumcision. Circumcision method has evolved over the years and it can be done within 15-20min now. However, it’s not easy to overcome that mentality barrier.
    1 point
  16. Mon 29May23 TPY between 12pm to 1pm. You were in the middle lane, and are one fantastic swimmer (quite sexy actually). I then went to shower, and a few min later you came shower too in the cubicle opp me. Our doors were open, so we naturally cruised each other, before I finally brought my barang over. Didn't have the chance to thank and tell you I enjoyed our light-fun quickie. Hmu if you see this, enjoyed it too and wanna know each other.
    1 point
  17. Looking to exchange massage with decent person of same body type. I can host but would prefer to meet for coffee first. I am not trained but i put effort into anyone i massage.
    1 point
  18. alberthui44

    Phonesex

    Tele : rs252022
    1 point
  19. ToughGuy

    KL CRUISING PLACES

    He was very desperate and needed someone to put a cock into his mouth, 🤣🤣🤣🤣💦💦💦
    1 point
  20. Anyone ever thought of drinking bottled piss? I ever fantasised filling bottles with my pee to give interested parties. My bad! Don't mind my nonsense thoughts and fantasies.
    1 point
  21. I was there yesterday around 10pm. No police or whatsoever. Saw topless guys. I walked semi naked (nothing below) lol
    1 point
  22. I saw a lot of dry & cum stains at cm ss. Lol XD Even open & used condoms as well. That's more powerful.
    1 point
  23. first time trying out as was pretty skeptical prior to going and i must say its more than what it has to meet. totally enjoyed the session and really thanks to ET for the sharing session. Hes meticulous and knowledgeable. explaining the rationale for each steps he did. got to know my body better and yeah the session is value for money I would say. will book another session soon !
    1 point
  24. MT0601

    KL CRUISING PLACES

    Today Sg W*ng toilet got one Chi guy literally parked himself in there and made it his lair. He alternates between loitering at the urinal and then playing phone at the sink without leaving the toilet at all lol. This went on for a few hours. Anybody saw it?
    1 point
  25. "Akan datang" 🎥 🎬 🎞️ Weekend just ended, am looking forward to this new week (that's when June starts), because there are quite a few blockbuster movies showing next month. Haha. [ "It's the June holidays!" ] Minimally, would like to catch the following: 1) Transformers: Rise Of The Beasts (from 8 Jun) 2) The Flash (from 14 Jun) 3) Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny (from 29 Jun) [hopefully could get some free tickets from Safra ]
    1 point
  26. I wanted to pop in to say something that not everyone might agree with. I joined this forum because it was one of the results I got when Googling Yunomori and I had been reading this thread and found it interesting that there was this "hidden world" going on, which I wouldn't consider myself a part of, but all the same, am not scandalised by knowing it's there. I acknowledge that it is exciting to do things which might be against the rules, and I won't deny that it can be very difficult for a lot of people to separate nudity from sexuality (especially in an environment as repressed as Singapore is), but I think it is also important to consider the purpose of the space and practice discretion. There's a reply a bit upthread that mentions children being present at Yunomori, and I think it's very important to consider how inappropriate it would be for sexual activity to take place in front of children. I'm always going to mind my own business if nobody seems to be in danger or anything like that, but I think it's important to remember that an onsen isn't inherently sexual.
    1 point
  27. was at northpoint on friday afternoon. in the toilet on groundfloor near to Baskin Robbins and was urinating minding my own business (or pretending to be). a young malay boy wearing junior college uniform walked in and stood about 3 urinals away from me. he unzipped his pants and the minute he lowered his underwear his fully erect cock sprang out - nice cock about 5.5inches long and quite thick. he had some problem urinating with his hard cock but after some effort managed to. after he was done, he tried with some challenge to stuff his still erect cock back into his underwear and tight school pants. surprisingly there wasn't a huge bulge showing as I would have expected. he walked out and waited until his girlfriend, also wearing school uniform came out from the lady's toilet. immediately he hugged her and they walked back to the shopping mall. i guess she must be the reason for his hardon.
    1 point
  28. Since my childhood time, I only wear tee and short shorts without any underwear, meaning I'm wearing short shorts as outdoor/sleep, that actually extend until I enlisted to NS then tried to adapt to wear guys undies, but, I don't get used to it. After completion of my National Service, I'm back to commando again with running shorts came along with lining, I was worn until married and tried serveral brand of soft guy undies such as Skixwear or groovin' thought can permanent change, however I still feel uncomfortable until I have chosen feminine panties as my permanent daily underwear.... Yes and really totally feel comfortable and has been wearing it almost nearly 7years? I guessed. Well, occasionally I still wear just running shorts with lining, but most of the time, I'm wearing panties under daily and my family finally accept my changes. What a long time waiting. From beginning of fetishism until become a norm. 7years of hiding until opens up. Not a easy journey. And now I can buy, wash and hang openly without hiding from my family anymore.
    1 point
  29. Top here.. any bottom free.. msg me
    1 point
  30. SQ but usually don't take because cost much more than others
    1 point
  31. https://www.instagram.com/p/CshrCNMPW3d/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MmJiY2I4NDBkZg==
    1 point
  32. https://www.instagram.com/p/CrHqN_dPszs/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MmJiY2I4NDBkZg==
    1 point
  33. I dont mind my bf wear sexy outfit if he can pull them off nicely dispite from the staring i dont mind infact feel proud that i have nice decent taste.
    1 point
  34. https://www.instagram.com/p/CsFYJcEPcrg/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MmJiY2I4NDBkZg==
    1 point
  35. I am now in HCMC for the third time, and been getting about 3 massages everyday at different blind massage places trying to test out which ones are "active" since the ones I used to go (about 9~10 years ago lol) are no longer listed on the gay travel guide site. Anyway, here are the ones I found to be pretty gay: 1. Massage Minh Thái (149 Hồ Bá Kiện, Phường 15, Quận 10): Open from 9am to 9pm everyday. This one was my favorite back in the day. I am not too sure if I went during the wrong hours or what (Monday morning around 11 am), there were only two people (including myself). Still pretty gay i guess. (prices: 120K for an hour; 160K massage+steam room) UPDATE: I went back here again during late afternoon on a weekday. Although there were a few more people, compared to how it was years ago, it was still pretty quiet. There were some actions going on on the top floor. I was surprised to see the guy (there are two masseurs working there, and he is the older one. BTW i think he is the owner) who gave me massages 9 years ago still works here. He definitely has the best massage skills of all the blind massage places I've tried during this trip. Highly recommend! 2. Massage - Xông hơi Toàn Thắng (126 Đ. Thành Thái, Phường 12, Quận 10): Super active. I was there in the afternoon and there were about 20 guys and almost everyone was PLU (mostly uncles in their 40s and older). Not too sure about the tipping culture in VN, but the masseur tried to get me to tip him at the end of the massage. I didn't see others get asked though. Perhaps b/c I was a foreigner? Can anyone clear this up? UPDATE: Also went back here for a second time, and talked to a guy there. Apparently people normally tip 50K. I think this place is the most gay one out of all the blind massage places. People are NOT shy about their actions lol. 3. Spa khiếm thị ÁNH DƯƠNG (355|27, Đ. Sư Vạn Hạnh, Phường 12, Quận 10) :This one is listed on the site as"LGBT-friendly" (whatever that means), but I'm not sure if this is an "active" place though. The masseur did play with my xxx a bit towards the end of the massage, but since I didn't get to check out other parts of the place or had interactions with anyone else there, idk if I was "lucky" or? UPDATE: went back here before leaving HCMC, and the guy I got was not as skillful as the previous one. It felt like he was irritated the whole time.. Someone earlier mentioned "Blind massage institute" in Dist. 1, well, like he said the masseur tried to give me a HE too, but not only the place was not private enough to do so, also the techniques (as in actual massage techniques) were pretty bad.. just some random pushing and poking. So yeah.... Anyway, will stay for a few more days and check out more places... to be continued. ----------------------------- As promised, here is part II... 4. Spa Massage khiếm thị Hoàng Triều 2 (161 Hoà Hưng, Phường 12, Quận 10): Four words: Avoid At All Costs. The guy giving massages apparently did NOT go through any proper training whatsoever. Even worse than Blind Massage Institute Dist. 1. Never coming back. 5. Massage xông hơi Khiếm thị VT 669 (329/20 Nguyễn Tiểu La, Phường 8, Quận 10): This one is listed on the site as "gay-friendly", and I guess the masseur's hands were pretty "friendly" toward the end of the session. I declined his invite since, one, I was not interested in him and two the way he was doing it was like a chore. Felt kinda bad if I asked him to continue. Perhaps a place to get HE if you're up for it. 6. Massage Ấn huyệt khiếm thị thiên phú (247/4 Bà Hạt, Phường 4, Quận 10) : This one is hidden in a small alley, but they do put signs on the walls at the entrance so it shouldn't be super hard to find if you pay attention to the street numbers. I wouldn't call this place a "shop" because it seems like it's like someone's house that's been converted. To get to the area where they do massages, you'll have to climb up a set of VERY steep stairs (BE super careful!). Skill-wise, pretty solid; nothing extra. Bonus point, the young lady running this place does speak some English; probably the best one of all the places I've checked out. Recommend. 7. Xông hơi - Massage Khiếm thị 97G (97G Nguyễn Duy Dương, Phường 9, Quận 5): This one is your regular blind massage place, nothing too special; however I did come across a guy who tried to do stuff to me, but i was not interested in him at all. (Prices: 60 min--120K; 90 min--180K) 8. Blind masseur institute (353 Trần Hưng Đạo B, Phường 10, Quận 5): NOTE: this one is NOT the one in District 1, but in District 5 instead; although I believe this one is probably just a branch. ALSO, the location on Google Maps is a bit off (I've been trying to correct it, but Google rejected my reports. Follow the street numbers and you'll find it). In terms of massage skills, here is MUCH better. The two guys I've tried were both good. The top floor has a sauna, but, according to a customer, nothing really happens there. I saw two uncles playing on the second floor opposite the massage room. The only thing i absolutely did not like was the fact that they do not separate male customers from females, which I found very weird since almost all the other places have different areas/floors for each gender. District 5 is also known as the Chinatown of HCMC, so you might be able to find some mandarin/cantonese/Southern Min speaking guys here. 9. Massage Khiếm Thị Tiến Minh (138/14 Đ. Nguyễn Trãi, Phường 3, Quận 5): Another blind massage parlor in District 5 and this one is both nicer and more active than the previous two. People get pretty touchy and feely on the top floor where the sauna is, but everyone is much more shy than Massage - Xông hơi Toàn Thắng (#2 on this list, man! that place can get crazy!). In terms of masseurs, they got pretty good skills. Definitely give it a go when you need a good massage. 10. Massage Khiếm Thị Vinh Phát (402|19, Hoà Hảo, Phường 5, Quận 10) : Regular massage place, nothing special. Not busy either. SIDE NOTE: There is another Spa khiếm thị ÁNH DƯƠNG on this street. It is not marked on Google Maps, but if you entered this alley from Hoà Hảo Street, and keep going straight, you'll see it pretty easily. I personally did not even bother to try this place since apparently they have different price lists for Vietnamese and foreigners. The one for foreigners, written in English, is much more expensive than the Vietnamese version. After noticing the price differences, I immediately left... Couple things I find to be a bit annoying across almost every single massage parlor are that, one, the massages are always shorter than they supposed to be.. Like if I ask for an one-hour massage, it always ends around 45-50 mins; and if I want a 90-mins one, it never goes beyond 80 mins. Does anyone else encounter this problem? Would have been a lot better if they keep a timer or something...Two, the inconsistency of skills among different masseurs. I mean I do understand that different people may have different styles, but the differences are so noticeable that it becomes a game of chance. If you're lucky, you might get someone really good, but if not, well... your money just went down the drain.. So yep, here you go, my report on all the blind massage places I've tried during this trip. Hopefully it would be helpful for y'all! And for now, it's time to pack and say goodbye to HCMC, until next time
    1 point
  36. Love to include watersport as part of the humiliation session..and to see the boy lick clean my cock after the pee..
    1 point
  37. The cum definitely looks fresh.
    1 point
  38. GWM39

    Phonesex

    Phone? Caucasian 48 188 88 7"uc Line: irish4gam
    1 point
  39. Haha be aware of the biting insects.
    1 point
  40. So fantastic !✌✌ Kelvin never disappoints me. Thank you so much. This is the third time I have found Punggol Kelvin for body massage + manhood prostate massage.He neck shoulder n back massage more like traditional massage is very powerful. After the massage my body felt very relaxed and very sound asleep. I love Kelvin finger skills very much. It's amazing, especially every time Kelvin massages my buttocks and inner thighs, I ask for sensual massage. It makes me extremely excited and special comfortable. Whenever he massages my prostate massage, it makes me feel very comfortable and arouses my sexual desire. I can’t stop enjoying this kind of massage ( He is very cautious and hygienic. Every time he does a prostate massage, he will not be stingy ). Replace with a new glover. when do the prostate massage for me, which makes me feel very safe). 👍👍👍. When Kelvin do manhood massage can make my Penis so hard so bigger it makes me feel super horny stimulated and excited. After a few days of manhood prostate massage for Kelvin, I still feel my sexual desire is very strong horny , and my penis is still persistently hard. Stimulation activates my brain to have a very strong and strong libido demand for excitement and pleasure for my own male hormones. Body massage skills very from person to person skin touch feeling, and each person feels different after a massage. So I personally feel that Kelvin massage is very suitable for my own requirements and very comfortable. So recommend it to everyone to try. Kelvin @ Punggol massage service. Tell: 88692662 .
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  41. damn, hooked a nice foreign worker and had 2 sessions with him. here goes: he is my first sikh, wears turban and with very piercing light brown eyes. for most, he will look very very scary, but man, for me, it was a major turn on! i knew him from another worker, we met awhile chit chat, but afterwards i got his number and chat him up. all i needed to say was "Hi Daddy" and he already replied, "Hi Dear". from there, I knew he was all in. either i dropped a lot of signals, or the other worker was already telling him about me. our first meet, he picked me up in a lorry. supposed to play in industrial area but he brought me to the back entrance/parking lot of a nature park. it was already about 9pm, so a little bit of warning bells, but i still proceeded. i already know i can fight and run if i have to, haha. but it turned out so hot. after parking, i couldnt keep my hands off, so i already grabbed his package inside the vehicle. all he did was smirk and wink, and hopped out. i literally followed him like a puppy. we simply walked down a dirt path, and he spun me around, pushed me down and into his crotch. kinda rude, but hot. seconds later, his dick was already out. and in the little light, i can already tell it was a nice one. very fair like angmoh dick. the scent was deep and masculine, but he was very clean. i sucked him like a hungry ghost, and he grabbed my chest, tweaked my nipples. he said they feel like breasts, which i was glad to hear that he enjoyed them. i asked him to put saliva on my nipples, he did and i moaned, and he called me a slut. soon it was time to fuck. i pulled down my shorts, did a hit of pops and let him enter me. the public risk really added to the fun. midway, we had to stop and hide cos there were some night cyclists passing through. they did not see us and eventually, we were back on the main path. he literally pulled me by my cock and hair, pushed me down, slapped my face with his dick. it was the closest i ever came to actual rape, and he spoke so dirty, with "suck daddy, baby", "u like daddy cock" in that thick accent. after a while i heck care, and just went down on all fours on the grass. he kept pounding and abusing my tits. i just let him use my hole. every hit on my prostate i squeeze my ass more for him. eventually he got the message, and just stayed inside and just grind-fucked me. grind deeper until i was whimpering him to stop. in my mind, i knew i had to bring this guy to a hotel, with an actual bed. I was so happy with him because usually horny foreign workers cum very fast, but he gave me a good fucking that was not too long or too short. after a while we were both ready to cum. and respectfully, he came outside of my hole, but then he caught me by surprise when he fingered me to see how wet i was without any cum inside. from his moaning reaction, i realised it was kind of his fetish, so i pushed out whatever assjuice i could, which sputtered and farted. he was really into it and i was happy to oblige. because our meetup was so spontaneous, all i had with me was keys, phone and pops. no tissue to wipe, so i just had to scoop up and shake off the most of his cum on my back and ass, and rewear my shorts. it was only at home, after my shower, that i smelt the mess, and it was the most turn-on fragrant ass cum i ever smelled. and i am not even into smell fetish - but it was so strong and fragrant, i used it to jack off the very same night again, sniffing it and reliving the experience. he was not hot in the conventional sense, and much leaner than i like my guys. usually i dont even mind a dadbod or small belly, but my instincts about the dude was right. he was a A+ fucker, and we were a perfect fit in terms of sexual chemistry. the reception was a bit cold after, which is normal for straight guys, but it only took a few days before he was replying and entertaining my daddy talk. best part is when he replied, "yes, my boy baby", my asshole twitched with happiness, haha. i wished the affair went on longer, but i only had 1 more session with him before it ended. if anyone wants to hear more of why it ended, or on session no 2 itself, do comment and will share it. i miss my sikh fucker so much!
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  42. Several years ago, when I was working in a Middle East country for a year. I was fucking horny and took the risk to join an online classified advertisement which was popular in that country, to meet Arabian guys. I thought Arabian men were mostly top and rough and I was wrong (hahah Typical stereo mind). Surprisingly, those guys I met were nice sweet married men from Kuwait, Saudi, UAE etc, and they all willing to be btm for me. I remembered this Arabian daddy drove all the way up north to pick me up at my accommodation compound and I had a very memorable sex moment with him as we had sex in the middle of the desert. He drove a big GMC car and we had sex behind his opened car booth. He laid on the back of the car booth with his legs open and I slammed my hard cock in (Yes, my cock control my brain so no condom). I also have to admit I was very dominated and rough to him. But fucking an Arabian guy, in the middle of the desert with beautiful night full of stars in the sky, I felt like in Paradise (hahaha). I’m very proud that I had that experience.
    1 point
  43. Tried on a ultra light pants from uniqlo commando style. Very sexy in deed 😛
    1 point
  44. Condo is good for rent out to expat HDB is good for us to stay
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