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6 Countries with the Best Healthcare in the World


Healthcare is one of the most important factors potential expats consider before moving abroad and in the right places overseas it’s possible to access world-class care for a fraction of the cost back home. The six countries that take top places in our Global Retirement Index offer retirees first-rate care, the service is top-class–and its affordable. Measuring the quality of healthcare is difficult, and it’s hard to put a number on it. We can, however, put a number on the price of medical procedures. And these costs (as well as quality) helped us score each of the 25 countries in the healthcare category of our 2019 Global Retirement Index. Read on to learn more about the top countries in the world for healthcare. In each of these countries you’ll find clean, excellent hospitals, highly trained doctors, and affordable care. Costa Rica and Mexico are tied for fifth place.

 

#5 Costa Rica (tie)

 

As well as having a great climate year-round, neighborly atmosphere, and a no-hassle residence programs, Costa Rica also offers excellent healthcare.

There are two systems, both of which expats can access: the government-run universal healthcare system, Caja Costarricense de Seguro Social, known as Caja, and the private system. Both health systems are constantly being upgraded—new hospitals, new equipment, and improvements in staff training.

Many doctors, especially in private practice, speak English and have received training in Europe, Canada, or the U.S. But despite the advancements, costs are low in comparison to those back home.

IL Central Valley Correspondent, John Michael Arthur, a medical doctor from Texas, has a lot of praise for the Costa Rican healthcare system.

“Having both the public healthcare system and the private healthcare system available to residents gives great options as you “shop” for care,” he says. “High quality healthcare—medical, surgical, and dental—is easily found and at about one third the cost of U.S. prices in the private system.

“For example, I recently had a new state of the art zirconium crown placed for about $275. And I had an echocardiogram for only $145 and I left with the complete analysis and report in my hands.”

 

#5 Mexico (tie)

Mexico has a lot to recommend it, not least of which is its great healthcare. In general, healthcare in Mexico is very good—and in many places it is excellent. Many doctors and dentists in Mexico, particularly in the private system, receive at least part of their training in the U.S. (And many U.S. doctors have trained in Mexico, notably in Guadalajara.) Many of them continue to go to the U.S. or Europe for on-going training. Every medium to large city in Mexico has at least one first-rate hospital with the cost of healthcare generally half or less what you might expect to pay in the U.S. The same goes for prescription drugs.

Of course, the costs of medical care will vary by physician, hospital, and the gravity of your condition. On average, a visit to a private doctor—specialists included—will cost about $21 to $32.

In the major cities of Mexico, you can get good-quality medical care for serious medical conditions…including dialysis, major surgery…even live-in, 24-hour care…for a fraction of what you might pay in the U.S.

Plus, health insurance in Mexico costs much less than it does in the U.S.

Mexico has two national healthcare systems that expats on a valid residence visa can apply to join: IMSS (Instituto Mexicano del Seguro Social, or Mexican Social Security Institute) and Seguro Popular.

Expats on valid residence visas for Mexico can join either IMSS or Seguro Popular if they wish, but they can’t belong to both. You must apply in the Mexican state that you live in.

Don Murray, IL Rivera Maya Correspondent says “Most doctors speak at least some English, with many quite fluent. Costs are significantly lower in all specialty areas and are often one-half to one-third the cost of similar services north of the border.”

 

#4 Ecuador
 

One of the great perks for foreign residents living in Ecuador is high-quality, low-cost healthcare. Healthcare in metropolitan areas is top-notch with costs a fraction of what you would pay in North America.

In the bigger cities, you’ll find hospitals with state-of-the-art equipment, as well as specialists in all fields and physicians with private clinics. But expats don’t need to live in a metropolis to take advantage of good quality healthcare. Smaller cities also have private clinics and modern hospitals. And in small towns you’ll often find private doctors who go that extra mile with some even making house calls if you’re too ill to go out.

“In February of 2016, Ecuador passed a law that all new residents must have some form of healthcare,” says Jim Santos, IL Salinas Correspondent. “However, the same law prevents all private insurers from denying coverage because of age or pre-existing conditions. This opened up the private market, although expats may still also choose to sign up for the state-run health plan, which covers all medical, dental, and eye care expenses (including prescriptions, testing, rehab, etc.) at IESS hospitals and clinics with no deductible and no co-pay.

“Expats are eligible to use the system after paying into it for the first three months.”

International Living Correspondent Donna Stiteler lives in Ecuador’s third-largest city and the economic center of the Southern Sierra, Cuenca.

“My husband, Rowland, who is a writer and not a carpenter recently “sawed” his index finger,” she says.

“The trip to the emergency room on a Sunday required a five-minute wait in the emergency room, where a surgeon stitched his finger for a mere $60.  This was walk-up pricing without using any insurance.

“However, we do have the government’s IESS plan which covers both of us for under $100, but we do most of our medical treatments out of pocket because healthcare runs about 80% cheaper than in the U.S., and you can just walk in and see specialists for $40 a pop.”


#3 Thailand

 

There’s lots to love about Thailand— its beauty and budget friendliness, with welcoming locals and expats at every turn. Thailand is also renowned for its excellent healthcare throughout the country, taking third position on our index for healthcare.

“Thailand leads the way in medical tourism for Southeast Asia,” says Michael Cullen, IL Thailand Correspondent. “That means quality, international standard hospitals with well trained, English-speaking medics in all the major cities and regional towns right across Thailand.

“Dental and other health services are also well covered–and all to that same high international standard.

“For expats living in Thailand it is sensible to have health insurance as there is no national system within the country they can tap into.

“But with healthcare costs averaging from a quarter to less than a half of what they would cost in the U.S. the insurance costs will not break the bank.”

Although there is no public health insurance available to expats, there are several options to obtain private insurance from a variety of excellent companies, both domestic and international.

Thailand’s private healthcare system consists of a large number of well-equipped, state-of-the-art hospitals. A real plus is you’re often able to visit a specialist within a short time of walking through the front door—without booking an appointment beforehand.

 

#2 France

 

France has all the ingredients that we look for in a retirement destination: a good climate, unspoiled countryside, top-notch culture, colorful traditions and history, and, of course, the glitter and sophistication of Paris. So, it’s not surprising that France is the world’s favorite tourist destination, receiving approximately 80 million foreign visitors each year.

The low cost of health insurance and the superb quality of care means that France consistently receives high scores in the healthcare category of our Retirement Index. It’s also highly rated by the World Health Organization. This year France scores 93 points, placing it second in our index.

Life expectancy now averages 85.7 years for women and 80.1 for men according to the latest WHO data published in 2018, giving France a World Life Expectancy ranking of 5—the United States ranks at 34.

“There is a reason France is consistently named by the World Health Organization as having the best healthcare in the world,” says Stewart Richmond, IL South of France Correspondent. “It is accessible to all and affordable. Prescription medicine is heavily subsidized and is among the cheapest in the world. For those developing long-term illnesses such as cancer or MS, all healthcare and medicine is provided free of charge.”

 

#1 Malaysia

 

Scoring 95 points out of a possible 100, Malaysia takes the top spot in the Healthcare category of our Annual Global Retirement Index.

The healthcare in the Southeast Asian gem is simply world class with up-to-date and sophisticated infrastructure.

With 13 JCI accredited hospitals in the country and almost every doctor fluent in English. In fact, most doctors were trained in the UK, U.S., or Australia so communicating is flawless. It’s not surprising it’s a top medical tourist destination.

The Joint Commission International is considered the gold standard in healthcare assessment around the globe, and it certifies four hospitals in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia’s bustling capital, and two in Penang.

There are private and public hospitals and expats can choose whichever one suits their needs. The private hospitals tend to be a bit more expensive but are more up to Western standards than the public hospitals. Even at the private hospitals, the treatment is so affordable that for minor visits some people pay out of pocket.

Here, you don’t need an appointment to see a specialist, and you don’t need a referral from a GP. It’s as simple as registering at a hospital of your choice and waiting in line to see your specialist of choice.

Prescriptions in Malaysia cost a fraction of what you pay at home. But it’s not just the cost that’s attractive–it’s the service. The pharmacists, like the rest of Malaysia’s medical staff, are well trained and informed. Malaysians are friendly people, but it’s the genuine interest that they take which impresses.

IL Malaysia Correspondent Keith Hockton, who lives in Penang says, “Recently, I decided on a whim to have a medical. I’d never had one done before and as I had a free morning I decided just to pop in to the Lam Wah Eee Hospital. I was already registered and found myself sitting outside a GP’s office not five minutes after arriving. Within an hour, I had been examined by a doctor, had an ECG and blood and urine tests done…and I was on my way home.

“The total cost of the visit was just $44. The doctor who had examined me called me later that afternoon with the results. It’s this level of service that makes medical in Malaysia not only an attractive option but also a non-scary one. It’s all so easy.”


 

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25 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Sg is not there? Where else can u get a quality heart surgery at only $8? No, sg got to be number one.

Actually its true. I did a heart operation and did not pay cash at all.

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4 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Sg is not there? Where else can u get a quality heart surgery at only $8? No, sg got to be number one.

 

Singapore will never be considered having good healthcare as long as it does not provide free care for people with HIV.

It's a shame that this rich state withholds this care for its few people who are infected.

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13 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Singapore will never be considered having good healthcare as long as it does not provide free care for people with HIV.

It's a shame that this rich state withholds this care for its few people who are infected.

At least its way better than your so called affordable health care act lor...or whatever your pussy graber plan to replace it with. You sibei kaypo hor? 

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5 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Sg is not there? Where else can u get a quality heart surgery at only $8? No, sg got to be number one.

 

You can in the US.  People on Medicare or Disability who have sufficiently low income can qualify in many states for Medicaid, and then their costs are zero.

My late partner was on Disability for 18 years and, in addition to his monthly disability payment, the government paid 100% of his medical expenses, which exceeded by far the million dollars. My biggest cost was paying for parking at the hospitals and clinics we visited countless times.

 

34 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

At least its way better than your so called affordable health care act lor...or whatever your pussy graber plan to replace it with. You sibei kaypo hor? 

 

Contrary to the case of my late bf, healthcare in the US is very bad unless you are sufficiently poor or very rich.  I don't know much about your healthcare system to judge if it is better or worse than ours,  but in both countries we deserve something better!

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4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

Singapore will never be considered having good healthcare as long as it does not provide free care for people with HIV.

It's a shame that this rich state withholds this care for its few people who are infected.

 

They did not withhold the details of those infected with HIV+ adequately though, its provided free for all the world to see, how shameful.

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10 hours ago, Guest msia said:

Got Malaysia??:o

 

ok then the article must be flawed.

 

Not sure about the quality, but msia provides free or  nearly free health care to its citizens.

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1 hour ago, fab said:

 

Not sure about the quality, but msia provides free or  nearly free health care to its citizens.

 

And in that free health care the govenment have  to allocate a huge budget for healthcare and there is a lot of wastege , becos its free , people are given unnecesaary medicines, and as I have heard there is always a shortage of some common medications like HBP medications , chronic ones like diabetes ones also shortage ,

 

Malaysia is gonna have a huge problem down the road as the population ages more and there are less young people with high paying jobs to support a growing old age and long living population.

 

 

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Of 25 Countries in the survey, Malaysia comes up TOPS. This can only happen under the wise leadership of Tun M and his capable men. Malaysia has achieved so much in such a short space of time that it is the envy of the world.

 

Just look at China and the US. Both countries had to back down as they both fear and respect Tun M so much. Malaysia proofed naysayers wrong time and time again. Lets not bring in small fry singapore. 

 

At this rate, Malaysia is on track on being a major player in World affairs and politics. It can set worldwide rules and regulations that the world will willingly follow. I will not be surprise if Malaysia will be part of the G8 kicking out a country in that club.

 

Malaysia is also on track to be a country where its people will have the best education, freedom of speach, where everyone is equal and corruption free.

 

Malaysia lives up to its name Truely Asia. When you travel now, everyone will envy if you have a malaysian passport. The immigration will welcome you with smile and open arms unlike if you have a singapore passport where they will snigger and make snide remarks on our cpf and hdb which the world is laughing.

 

Malaysia Boleh!

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1 hour ago, Guest guest said:

 

And in that free health care the govenment have  to allocate a huge budget for healthcare and there is a lot of wastege , becos its free , people are given unnecesaary medicines, and as I have heard there is always a shortage of some common medications like HBP medications , chronic ones like diabetes ones also shortage ,

 

Malaysia is gonna have a huge problem down the road as the population ages more and there are less young people with high paying jobs to support a growing old age and long living population.

 

 

 

Personally I m against free health care as it leads to abuse and wastage.

 

Affordable, yes. 

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44 minutes ago, fab said:

 

Personally I m against free health care as it leads to abuse and wastage.

 

Affordable, yes. 

Its the government who must figure this out. They are the ones who want to be in government. They are the ones who want to serve the people. It is the responsibility of those in power to provide such basic things like education, housing, healthcare and an allowance for childcare and allowance for retirement for free. Please consider how hard the people had worked their whole lives and the huge amount of taxes we pay!

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6 hours ago, Guest MalaysiaTruelyAsia said:

Of 25 Countries in the survey, Malaysia comes up TOPS. This can only happen under the wise leadership of Tun M and his capable men. Malaysia has achieved so much in such a short space of time that it is the envy of the world.

 

Just look at China and the US. Both countries had to back down as they both fear and respect Tun M so much. Malaysia proofed naysayers wrong time and time again. Lets not bring in small fry singapore. 

 

At this rate, Malaysia is on track on being a major player in World affairs and politics. It can set worldwide rules and regulations that the world will willingly follow. I will not be surprise if Malaysia will be part of the G8 kicking out a country in that club.

 

Malaysia is also on track to be a country where its people will have the best education, freedom of speach, where everyone is equal and corruption free.

 

Malaysia lives up to its name Truely Asia. When you travel now, everyone will envy if you have a malaysian passport. The immigration will welcome you with smile and open arms unlike if you have a singapore passport where they will snigger and make snide remarks on our cpf and hdb which the world is laughing.

 

Malaysia Boleh!

 

aiyo i hope you are joking.

if this is really not a troll post then you need to seek treatment.

honestly, Malaysia will go downhill under M. his heydays are over.

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i’m surprised Japan is not one of top 5 list. The premium rate is judged annually based on their income & tax return. Japan Nat’l Health Insurance covers 70% of

the cost. The remaining 30% can be covered by affordable separate private insurance policy, or own-pay.

 

At some cases, like baby delivery, parents don’t have to pay at all. And with monthly bursary and other benefits for children, sometimes giving birth means receiving cash. 

 

Not to mention one of the best doctors & technology available for patients. 

 

But maybe there are other factors that overshadows those benefits. :)

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23 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

Sg is not there? Where else can u get a quality heart surgery at only $8? No, sg got to be number one.

 

The local rates only apply to Singaporeans. The article is more about if foreigners retire in other countries and compare the medical costs for such foreigners. While standard of healthcare is very good in Singapore, the costs for foreigners even in government hospitals are very high. If you take private hodpitals even worse.

Giving birth in Singapore for foreigner range from S$18,000 to 45,000. In Western Europe it would be about S$6,000 MAX S$10,000. Please note that European countries don't know "local" rates or foreigner rates as both are the same. This is not the case for foreigners in Singapore, even for those who hold resident status like Employment Pass and so on

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8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Its the government who must figure this out. They are the ones who want to be in government. They are the ones who want to serve the people. It is the responsibility of those in power to provide such basic things like education, housing, healthcare and an allowance for childcare and allowance for retirement for free. Please consider how hard the people had worked their whole lives and the huge amount of taxes we pay!

 

Your post sounds rather naive.  One wonders how many individuals are in politics because "they are the ones who want to serve the people".

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2 hours ago, doddysapta said:

i’m surprised Japan is not one of top 5 list. The premium rate is judged annually based on their income & tax return. Japan Nat’l Health Insurance covers 70% of

the cost. The remaining 30% can be covered by affordable separate private insurance policy, or own-pay.

 

At some cases, like baby delivery, parents don’t have to pay at all. And with monthly bursary and other benefits for children, sometimes giving birth means receiving cash. 

 

Not to mention one of the best doctors & technology available for patients. 

 

But maybe there are other factors that overshadows those benefits. :)

Japan, like sg aint in the survey. Only 25 were.

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11 hours ago, Guest MalaysiaTruelyAsia said:

Of 25 Countries in the survey, Malaysia comes up TOPS. This can only happen under the wise leadership of Tun M and his capable men. Malaysia has achieved so much in such a short space of time that it is the envy of the world.

 

Just look at China and the US. Both countries had to back down as they both fear and respect Tun M so much. Malaysia proofed naysayers wrong time and time again. Lets not bring in small fry singapore. 

 

At this rate, Malaysia is on track on being a major player in World affairs and politics. It can set worldwide rules and regulations that the world will willingly follow. I will not be surprise if Malaysia will be part of the G8 kicking out a country in that club.

 

Malaysia is also on track to be a country where its people will have the best education, freedom of speach, where everyone is equal and corruption free.

 

Malaysia lives up to its name Truely Asia. When you travel now, everyone will envy if you have a malaysian passport. The immigration will welcome you with smile and open arms unlike if you have a singapore passport where they will snigger and make snide remarks on our cpf and hdb which the world is laughing.

 

Malaysia Boleh!

 

5 hours ago, Guest ma guo ren said:

 

aiyo i hope you are joking.

if this is really not a troll post then you need to seek treatment.

honestly, Malaysia will go downhill under M. his heydays are over.

 

From Guest Dirty the annoying troll alias Guest Guest 2 alias Guest Guest, Guest  脏子 姨 alias Guest 犯贱冰冰 alias Guest inventing so may Guest names...

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Your post sounds rather naive.  One wonders how many individuals are in politics because "they are the ones who want to serve the people".

Hello!! Tean Lim, Dr Chee, Tan Cheng Bok, Ben Pwee, Kenneth J, Amos Yee, Han Hui Hui are just few of the politicians who are outstanding men who are kind, in touch with the people, who serve from the heart, who speaks out for our interest!! They whole heartedly single agenda is to serve the people of singapore from the HEART! not for fame, fortune or ego!

 

If you are the 70%, please reflect!

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3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Hello!! Tean Lim, Dr Chee, Tan Cheng Bok, Ben Pwee, Kenneth J, Amos Yee, Han Hui Hui are just few of the politicians who are outstanding men who are kind, in touch with the people, who serve from the heart, who speaks out for our interest!! They whole heartedly single agenda is to serve the people of singapore from the HEART! not for fame, fortune or ego!

 

 

I don't know any of them.  But I can counter with just one, who you know,  who contradicts your premise:  Donald Trump.

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On 2/9/2019 at 2:18 AM, Anderson said:

Malaysians can get free medication for HIV. 

Their Class C ward charges is only rm1/day all inclusive - food,  medication, lab test,  etc. 

In SG,  don't even think about it. 

 

 

Its bursting at the seams with patients , with patients sleeping and being treated on the corridors in non air con, mosquito flying and cats and rats scurrying here and there.

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On 2/9/2019 at 1:15 AM, Guest Guest said:

Hello!! Tean Lim, Dr Chee, Tan Cheng Bok, Ben Pwee, Kenneth J, Amos Yee, Han Hui Hui are just few of the politicians who are outstanding men who are kind, in touch with the people, who serve from the heart, who speaks out for our interest!! They whole heartedly single agenda is to serve the people of singapore from the HEART! not for fame, fortune or ego!

 

If you are the 70%, please reflect!

 

Amos Yee the pro-paedo propagator does not speak for us.

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I’m not an economist but something doesn’t sound right when people want free or cheap healthcare, but also the highest quality healthcare from the best doctors. 

 

How is that possible? The doctors work for free or take minimum wage? Who wants to study so many years to be a poorly paid doctor? Kee Qiu!

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5 hours ago, Guest Puzzled said:

I’m not an economist but something doesn’t sound right when people want free or cheap healthcare, but also the highest quality healthcare from the best doctors. 

 

How is that possible? The doctors work for free or take minimum wage? Who wants to study so many years to be a poorly paid doctor? Kee Qiu!

We need doctors who have heart and compassion nit doctors who is in for MONEY!! Let me remind you doctors uses taxpayers money for their education. Being a doctor is a priviledge and so its only right doctors have the heart to serve the people with heart and be compassionate in service to singaporeans.

 

It is so simple to reduce cost of medical in singapore but our government is dragging its feet! I propose all those singaporeans born in singapore be given free medical services. Those PR and new citizens pay 110% of medical cost, while FTs/foreigners pay 200% of medical cost.  As half of sg's population is not of singapore origin, the revenue collected from their medical needs will enable doctors to earn a decent living while giving us local born Singaporean True Blues the best medical care. This thought process is sound and workable and it is not difficult.

 

We need doctors with HEART and not money faced. Do not forget doctors before theybstart practicr took an orth to serve the public.

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On Friday, February 08, 2019 at 6:02 PM, Guest ma guo ren said:

 

aiyo i hope you are joking.

if this is really not a troll post then you need to seek treatment.

honestly, Malaysia will go downhill under M. his heydays are over.

 

Very true ...and the M supporter rate is going down faster than their ringgit.

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28 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 I propose all those singaporeans born in singapore be given free medical services. Those PR and new citizens pay 110% of medical cost, while FTs/foreigners pay 200% of medical cost.  

 

Good idea but I doubt it will be approved.

 

Personally I won't advocate zero cost as it will induce abuse. Just make it affordable (eg. 10%) to majority n perhaps free to those lowest 20% income earners.

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1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 

We need doctors with HEART and not money faced. Do not forget doctors before theybstart practicr took an orth to serve the public.

 

Since when Singaporeans have a heart and are not money-faced? Come on.

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2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

We need doctors who have heart and compassion nit doctors who is in for MONEY!! Let me remind you doctors uses taxpayers money for their education. Being a doctor is a priviledge and so its only right doctors have the heart to serve the people with heart and be compassionate in service to singaporeans.

 

It is so simple to reduce cost of medical in singapore but our government is dragging its feet! I propose all those singaporeans born in singapore be given free medical services. Those PR and new citizens pay 110% of medical cost, while FTs/foreigners pay 200% of medical cost.  As half of sg's population is not of singapore origin, the revenue collected from their medical needs will enable doctors to earn a decent living while giving us local born Singaporean True Blues the best medical care. This thought process is sound and workable and it is not difficult.

 

We need doctors with HEART and not money faced. Do not forget doctors before theybstart practicr took an orth to serve the public.

 

You are very naive. Do you think those talented people who are smart enough to be doctors will take low pay to let you have cheap healthcare? How much salary we should pay doctors for them to have a decent living?

 

Just ask yourself do you have a heart and not money faced yourself? If everything so simple the problem is solved already.

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You are very naive. Do you think those talented people who are smart enough to be doctors will take low pay to let you have cheap healthcare? How much salary we should pay doctors for them to have a decent living?

 

Just ask yourself do you have a heart and not money faced yourself? If everything so simple the problem is solved already.

Thats why MOH must be more selective. There are people with heart but their studies may not be as good, however most perform better than book smarts. 

 

Doctord should be paid a decent salary but their salary must not ve runaway. Mind you, it is an honour to br chosen to serve the people by being a doctor. Starting salary should be about $3000, while through career progression, could raise to $5500. This salary proposal is already much more than what the average singaporean is earning as most struggle to make ends meet with very expensive housing loans, education, medical, our cost of living is already the highest in the world!

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4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

We need doctors who have heart and compassion nit doctors who is in for MONEY!! Let me remind you doctors uses taxpayers money for their education. Being a doctor is a priviledge and so its only right doctors have the heart to serve the people with heart and be compassionate in service to singaporeans.

 

It is so simple to reduce cost of medical in singapore but our government is dragging its feet! I propose all those singaporeans born in singapore be given free medical services. Those PR and new citizens pay 110% of medical cost, while FTs/foreigners pay 200% of medical cost.  As half of sg's population is not of singapore origin, the revenue collected from their medical needs will enable doctors to earn a decent living while giving us local born Singaporean True Blues the best medical care. This thought process is sound and workable and it is not difficult.

 

We need doctors with HEART and not money faced. Do not forget doctors before theybstart practicr took an orth to serve the public.

 

 

Why dont youngo become Minister of Health and Humanism welfare and see if you can get highly educated doctors and spec8alist to charge low and give high quality care and get paid peanuts, you go gurl,

 

make it happen THEN  i applaude you, 

 

otherwise its all hot air lah.

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1 hour ago, Guest ... said:

 

You are very naive. Do you think those talented people who are smart enough to be doctors will take low pay to let you have cheap healthcare? How much salary we should pay doctors for them to have a decent living?

 

Just ask yourself do you have a heart and not money faced yourself? If everything so simple the problem is solved already.

Thats why MOH must be more selective. There are people with heart but their studies may not be as good, however most perform better than book smarts. 

 

Doctord should be paid a decent salary but their salary must not ve runaway. Mind you, it is an honour to br chosen to serve the people by being a doctor. Starting salary should be about $3000, while through career progression, could raise to $5500. This salary proposal is already much more than what the average singaporean is earning as most struggle to make ends meet with very expensive housing loans, education, medical, our cost of living is already the highest in the world!

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Thats why MOH must be more selective. There are people with heart but their studies may not be as good, however most perform better than book smarts. 

 

Doctord should be paid a decent salary but their salary must not ve runaway. Mind you, it is an honour to br chosen to serve the people by being a doctor. Starting salary should be about $3000, while through career progression, could raise to $5500. This salary proposal is already much more than what the average singaporean is earning as most struggle to make ends meet with very expensive housing loans, education, medical, our cost of living is already the highest in the world!

 

You are a joker. If doctor can only earn $5500, only those who cannot make it will choose this job. This kind of doctors you want? 

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You are a joker. If doctor can only earn $5500, only those who cannot make it will choose this job. This kind of doctors you want? 

You are just money faced! Everything is about GDP and growth at all cost! Sounds so familar! What we need in this country is the good old days kampong spirit where there is Heart and Compassion. The willingless to serve the people! It isnt all about monet, the glamour of F1, MBS or shiny airports which billions are wasted on! 

 

What we need are not scholars!! We need compassionate doctors with the heart to serve the community!

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6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

We need doctors who have heart and compassion nit doctors who is in for MONEY!! Let me remind you doctors uses taxpayers money for their education. Being a doctor is a priviledge and so its only right doctors have the heart to serve the people with heart and be compassionate in service to singaporeans.

 

It is so simple to reduce cost of medical in singapore but our government is dragging its feet! I propose all those singaporeans born in singapore be given free medical services. Those PR and new citizens pay 110% of medical cost, while FTs/foreigners pay 200% of medical cost.  As half of sg's population is not of singapore origin, the revenue collected from their medical needs will enable doctors to earn a decent living while giving us local born Singaporean True Blues the best medical care. This thought process is sound and workable and it is not difficult.

 

We need doctors with HEART and not money faced. Do not forget doctors before theybstart practicr took an orth to serve the public.

 

In the long term Singapore has to go away with that foreigners who are residents and taxpayers in Singapore discriminating policy.

I m waiting for the day where one of those EP holders will sue against the goverment for this discriminating policy.

 

At least foreign organisations will make a push too.

 

But eventually by the time the government will realise the discriminatory policy towards (foreign) residents it might be already too late as the business has moved somewhere else already....

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7 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

It is so simple to reduce cost of medical in singapore but our government is dragging its feet! I propose all those singaporeans born in singapore be given free medical services. Those PR and new citizens pay 110% of medical cost, while FTs/foreigners pay 200% of medical cost.  As half of sg's population is not of singapore origin, the revenue collected from their medical needs will enable doctors to earn a decent living while giving us local born Singaporean True Blues the best medical care. This thought process is sound and workable and it is not difficult.

 

 

I don't see the rationale of your proposal. The taxes and benefits of everyone who lives and works in SG should be identical.  Maybe medical costs, if not free, should be adjusted for income to help the poor and needy.   

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Thats why MOH must be more selective. There are people with heart but their studies may not be as good, however most perform better than book smarts. 

 

Doctord should be paid a decent salary but their salary must not ve runaway. Mind you, it is an honour to br chosen to serve the people by being a doctor. Starting salary should be about $3000, while through career progression, could raise to $5500. This salary proposal is already much more than what the average singaporean is earning as most struggle to make ends meet with very expensive housing loans, education, medical, our cost of living is already the highest in the world!

 

 

MOM say specialist doctors earn $28000 to $32000 a month in 2015. Should be higher now due to inflation.

 

https://www.salary.sg/2015/top-100-jobs-in-singapore-2015/

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MOM say specialist doctors earn $28000 to $32000 a month in 2015. Should be higher now due to inflation.

 

https://www.salary.sg/2015/top-100-jobs-in-singapore-2015/

MOH should look for people who want to be doctors because they want to serve singaporeans and those with heart and compassion. Those who became doctors due to money can go away as we do not need such people. Theses money faced people will not be good doctors! We have to be bold and do a 180 degree change!

 

If social media is an indication, there are so many people in sg with heart and compassion! The numbers will be more outside social media so do not tell me there aint anyone! Most singaporeans are careing, kind and compassionate. Most of those ugly ones you see on social media are FTs.

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people should just die of natural causes, 

 

when you get a disease , if you dont want to exhaust all your money assets on heroic b ut futile treatment,

 

just let nature takes it course, we all gonna reach that point of no return, 

 

 

 

frankly , the world is gonna get worse down the line, global warming, crop failure over population

 

let nature take it course and refuse life prolonging treatments, 

 

 

why evade the inevitable, it said that towards the end of a natural death progress, there is no intense pain , but intense fatigue , tiredness and sleepiness, 

 

let death come naturally, do not fear and dont spend money on a,  prolonging life , 

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On 2/11/2019 at 5:37 PM, Guest Guest said:

MOH should look for people who want to be doctors because they want to serve singaporeans and those with heart and compassion. Those who became doctors due to money can go away as we do not need such people. Theses money faced people will not be good doctors! We have to be bold and do a 180 degree change!

 

If social media is an indication, there are so many people in sg with heart and compassion! The numbers will be more outside social media so do not tell me there aint anyone! Most singaporeans are careing, kind and compassionate. Most of those ugly ones you see on social media are FTs.

 

let's be honest: a doctor should serve all his patients with heart and compassion irrespective what nationality the patient has. Why should doctors have a preferential treatment for Singaporean patients? I find this very disgusting. We are not talking here about the doctor in the army who serves soldiers.

Isn't there that Hippocratic Oath?

 

Unfortunately, many doctors in Singapore seek monetary wealth and I m sure we all read about the overcharging matters from the past.

 

I m quite careful nowadays. In some instances I even visit a second doctor.

I had one small issue once and the doctor came with a list of things to do. Luckily I had read that problem up in the internet before I visited the clinic and just rebutted him.

And see with the S$70 "treatment" and medication all was fine after a week.

If I had listened to the doctor would have spent 1000.

Just this about the "passion" and compassion of Singaporean doctors.

 

On the second issue: It takes long to become a doctor and not everyone is fit to do this profession. Even if the reputation is quite high but not everybody has the ambition to take up such a profession.

I dislike this last sentence to generalise "that the ugly ones are FTs".

First, maybe there aren't sufficient doctors to fill the places.

Second why should a foreign doctor be ugly in general?

 

Sounds to me more like someone we know here very well is just trying to put his foreigner bashing nonsense into the thread.

 

For me, sure I visited doctors and did not feel comfortable from the onset, but that had nothing to do whether they were foreigners or locals.

 

And for nurses: I would prefer a friendly smiling Filipina or Filipino compared to a grumpy boring looking Singaporean who doesn't even bring my mood a little bit up during the visit.

Wouldn't you?

By the way: Treating them with a little respect and acknowledgement can open a heart. In many instances those Filipina/ Filipino were even friendlier on return if you just acknowledged what they do. And I m for sure not the one who wouldn't critic if I don't feel treated properly....

 

 

 

 

He patu te ua ki runga, he ngutu wāhine ki raro.

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I had one small issue once and the doctor came with a list of things to do. Luckily I had read that problem up in the internet before I visited the clinic and just rebutted him.

And see with the S$70 "treatment" and medication all was fine after a week.

If I had listened to the doctor would have spent 1000.

 

 

It pays off to become an EXPERT in the ailment that one is affected with.  The internet is a good source of information.

This also helps in the sense that one come up with good questions to ask the doctor, and one knows what information to give them.

Doctors cannot always diagnose well in the short time of a consultation.  An "educated" patient will help them. 

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On 2/14/2019 at 7:18 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

It pays off to become an EXPERT in the ailment that one is affected with.  The internet is a good source of information.

This also helps in the sense that one come up with good questions to ask the doctor, and one knows what information to give them.

Doctors cannot always diagnose well in the short time of a consultation.  An "educated" patient will help them. 

 

Do you mean googling is better than doctor's advice? You would rather find medications in Google than ask a doctor.since the information is already available in the internet?

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Do you mean googling is better than doctor's advice? You would rather find medications in Google than ask a doctor.since the information is already available in the internet?

 

The advice of a good doctor is very valuable.  But not all doctors are good.  You want to take the chance and follow blindly the advice of the first doctor you see?

Of course not,  this is why it is recommended to get a second opinion.  And a doctor is always necessary, since they are the only ones that can prescribe certain drugs and who open the path to treatments of different specialties. 

 

But even better than that,  is to combine the doctor's visit with a good prior knowledge of the ailment. The internet is a fantastic tool to gather information.  Good and bad.

Some information is "too good to be true",  like claims of alternate medicine:  "cancer cured with this-and-that rare herb found in the depths of the Amazon".

But some information is valuable.  Starting with the basics like "liver complications and their treatment".  Continuing with an education of the functioning of the liver to any depth.  Continuing with symptoms and treatments,  the investigation of treatments to any depth.  Following with consultation of medical journals about the subject.  Investigating the cure mechanisms of prescription drugs,  the details of surgery, radiation treatments, and if finally necessary, the complete picture of liver transplantation.  

 

Then you will know what questions to ask to the doctor,  and understand his answers.  You can evaluate your options with him,  and you can form an opinion of his competence.

 

By seeking expertise in any medical problem we may suffer, we become experts in OURSELVES.  Every body is different, and often the doctor we consult is a stranger.  We then can contribute to the resolution of the problem with the doctor as a team.

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All these so called developed 1st world countries with amazing healthcare are all snowed under by this COVID avalanche. Look at USA, UK, FRANCE, ITALY...

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All these so called developed 1st world countries with amazing healthcare are all snowed under by this COVID avalanche. Look at USA, UK, FRANCE, ITALY...

Why are you surprised?  Money is all they could think about which makes them great on world stage.  Any natural disaster can easily wipe those things out.

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Why are you surprised?  Money is all they could think about which makes them great on world stage.  Any natural disaster can easily wipe those things out.

 

Unfortunately, you are 100% right.

 

The US,  which should not be considered a first-world country with amazing healthcare anymore,  has had THE WORST response to the pandemic. The economy is falling into recession.  Yet the stock market does not reflect this.  It is like "oh, this stock is only 60% of what it was before,  let's buy it and see as it approaches the previous high value".  And the head of our government is a criminal who is willing to sacrifice the life of his countrymen in exchange for a very fast recovery of the economy, so he recovers some chance of being reelected. 

 

And a not-so-natural disaster is wiping us out now:  the murder of the Black man asphyxiated by the three ex-policemen.  Tremendous upheaval.  Big difference between the original preliminary autopsy by the police and the new independent autopsy arranged by the family members, which clearly shows murder.  Sign that there is some medical corruption even with...  dead bodies .:o 

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On 6/2/2020 at 6:07 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

Unfortunately, you are 100% right.

 

The US,  which should not be considered a first-world country with amazing healthcare anymore,  has had THE WORST response to the pandemic. The economy is falling into recession.  Yet the stock market does not reflect this.  It is like "oh, this stock is only 60% of what it was before,  let's buy it and see as it approaches the previous high value".  And the head of our government is a criminal who is willing to sacrifice the life of his countrymen in exchange for a very fast recovery of the economy, so he recovers some chance of being reelected. 

 

And a not-so-natural disaster is wiping us out now:  the murder of the Black man asphyxiated by the three ex-policemen.  Tremendous upheaval.  Big difference between the original preliminary autopsy by the police and the new independent autopsy arranged by the family members, which clearly shows murder.  Sign that there is some medical corruption even with...  dead bodies .:o 

Stop reading and watching too many conspiracy theories. You are putting our country in bad light which in fact our government has been very much ahead on protecting the people And ensuring their welfare.

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On 10/24/2021 at 11:39 AM, Guest Hank said:

Stop reading and watching too many conspiracy theories. You are putting our country in bad light which in fact our government has been very much ahead on protecting the people And ensuring their welfare.

 

Are you speaking about the US?  The news I watch are not conspiracy theories,  and about our government, we are slowly recovering from 4 years of the worst, abysmally worst years of a government in America.   An abominable low-life who thought that he could become a dictator, but didn't make it.

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