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Hello Dear Steve5380,

 

Looks like Karma finally rears its ugly head,  people pooh pooh what I said earlier about America'S ugly history of black slavery, and I mentioned how  come no one ever mentioned  honorable reparation   for slavery  and tortuiring black people and the whole black people problem of losing their history, their family ties back to Africa, they lost their own name, who they really are, what is their family tree.

 

Well finally, 2020 presidential elections will put a spotlight on this and there will be hell a lot to pay.

 

2020 Presidential aspirant Kamala Harris wants reparations for slavery

 

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2020-presidential-aspirant-kamala-harris-wants-reparations-for-slavery

 

 

U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism,’ says U.N. panel

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/reparations-black-americans-slavery_n_56c4dfa9e4b08ffac1276bd7

 

We Absolutely Could Give Reparations To Black People. Here’s How.

A step-by-step guide to paying the descendants of enslaved Africans.
 
 
 
ITS GONNA GET REAL MESSY.
 
THANK YOU
 
 

 

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8 hours ago, Guest guest said:

Hello Dear Steve5380,

 

Looks like Karma finally rears its ugly head,  people pooh pooh what I said earlier about America'S ugly history of black slavery, and I mentioned how  come no one ever mentioned  honorable reparation   for slavery  and tortuiring black people and the whole black people problem of losing their history, their family ties back to Africa, they lost their own name, who they really are, what is their family tree.

 

Well finally, 2020 presidential elections will put a spotlight on this and there will be hell a lot to pay.

 

2020 Presidential aspirant Kamala Harris wants reparations for slavery

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2020-presidential-aspirant-kamala-harris-wants-reparations-for-slavery

 

 

Dear Guest guest,  I want to understand what is the purpose of your post.

 

Are you in favor of reparations for slavery,  or are you making a snide insinuation that the US deserves to be in trouble for having had slaves?

 

Practically everybody in the US had, like myself, nothing to do with the slave trade.  It happened long time ago.  Do we rake the benefits today from it or not?  Difficult to say.  Those who benefited have been dead for a long time,  the same as those who suffered it.  The current generation of Black Americans may feel victimized, but they have it much better than the descendants of the Blacks who stayed in Africa.  We all are victimized.  To be alive is to be a victim.  Some Christians feel they deserve reparations from the Jews, who had Christ crucified.  Jews feel they deserve reparations for what Hitler did to them.  Palestinians feel or will feel they deserve reparations for what the Jews in Israel are doing to them.  And this is...  never ending.

 

I believe you are the Guest who predicts that Kamala Harris will win the democrat nomination.  I am not so sure.  They are many candidates with more appeal. Bernie is going strong, and he has ruled out reparations.  "Mayor Pete" is on the run, and he should appeal to us gays,  even if he has not suggested a "reparation for gays".  Have you thought about this ??  Don't we deserve reparations for the negative way society affected our youth and even adulthood? :lol:

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6 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

I believe you are the Guest who predicts that Kamala Harris will win the democrat nomination.  I am not so sure.  They are many candidates with more appeal. Bernie is going strong, and he has ruled out reparations.  "Mayor Pete" is on the run, and he should appeal to us gays,  even if he has not suggested a "reparation for gays".  Have you thought about this ??  Don't we deserve reparations for the negative way society affected our youth and even adulthood? :lol:

 

The guest who started this thread is absolutely not the guest who predicted Kamala Harris will be the next US President. That guy writes so much more intelligently than you and this particular Guest Guest put together. Furthermore, doesn't he always post under the same name every single time he posted in the Pete Bootyjudge thread, so why would he suddenly resort to posting as Guest Guest in a completely unintelligent manner of writing? It doesn't add up in any way, shape, or form -- so I'm sure you are 100% wrong -- and this incident is a perfect example of why people need to address the substance of what they are posting towards each other and quit all of the incessant and infernal accusing each other of being somebody else.

 

And by the way, saying that blacks whose ancestors were illegally enslaved and dragged to America and horribly mistreated for hundreds of years are better off today than those in Africa ignores the evils that colonialism inflicted upon Africa for hundreds of years, but a typical white privilege comment. And then comes the deflecting to Christians and Jews and Palestinians and all kinds of other groups. The simple fact of the matter is "reparations" don't necessarily have to be a paycheck, but could be made in the form of proper investments in communities, education, and jobs to address the problems currently plaguing black people due to the never-ending cycle of systematic abuse the white power structure uses to prevent true equality.

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5 hours ago, Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator said:

 

The guest who started this thread is absolutely not the guest who predicted Kamala Harris will be the next US President. That guy writes so much more intelligently than you and this particular Guest Guest put together. Furthermore, doesn't he always post under the same name every single time he posted in the Pete Bootyjudge thread, so why would he suddenly resort to posting as Guest Guest in a completely unintelligent manner of writing? It doesn't add up in any way, shape, or form -- so I'm sure you are 100% wrong -- and this incident is a perfect example of why people need to address the substance of what they are posting towards each other and quit all of the incessant and infernal accusing each other of being somebody else.

 

 

The ONLY way you can know ABSOLUTELY,  is if YOU are the two guests you say that "absolutely" cannot be the same person.  Yes, I can believe that you are a liar who impersonates other, maybe countless other "guests".  This proves that, far from writing intelligently, you are so dumb as to self-reveal yourself.  And it adds up in all ways, shapes and forms that YOUR posting as "guest" contributes to the doubts and accusations of who is who.  You cannot doubt who I am because nobody can steal my exact same alias.

 

5 hours ago, Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator said:

 

And by the way, saying that blacks whose ancestors were illegally enslaved and dragged to America and horribly mistreated for hundreds of years are better off today than those in Africa ignores the evils that colonialism inflicted upon Africa for hundreds of years, but a typical white privilege comment. And then comes the deflecting to Christians and Jews and Palestinians and all kinds of other groups. The simple fact of the matter is "reparations" don't necessarily have to be a paycheck, but could be made in the form of proper investments in communities, education, and jobs to address the problems currently plaguing black people due to the never-ending cycle of systematic abuse the white power structure uses to prevent true equality.

 

In addition, you are an abominable racist by the way you introduce the "typical white privilege", "white power" nonsense in your attacks.  You are trying to introduce another source of reparations,  the evils of colonialism.  There may not be an end to the arguments for reparations.  Another one is the damage of imprisonment done to so many people during the "war on drugs" who were found with small quantities of marijuana, now an increasingly legal substance.  And I mentioned (jokingly) the damage inflicted to us gays by the demonizing of homosexuality. My example of Christians and Jews and Palestinians is a clear example of obsessions with reparations.

 

Reparations don't have to be money, a paycheck.  It is very complex the issue of who should be compensated, in which form, and by how much.  Those who salivate at the proposal of the Kamala Harris definitely have dollar signs in their eyes.  Otherwise they would recognize that "positive action" has been a form of reparation, and even this little reparation has been controversial.  What we need is equal opportunity, not "reparations".  Money does not grow on the trees, and there is no infinite fortune from where reparations can be payed.  In the US,  the money comes from taxpayer's contributions.  Why should I have to pay for what some Americans did to some Africans hundreds of years ago?  Instead I side with Bernie Sanders, and support giving the needy (all of them, not only Blacks) preference in government support.

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14 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

The current generation of Black Americans may feel victimized, but they have it much better than the descendants of the Blacks who stayed in Africa.

 

What an absolutely appalling, derogatory and utterly disgraceful comment!

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I m sure the extinguished Dodo bird in Mauritius will set up an association to claim reparations too very soon.

 

By the way the threadstarter fails to think smartly.

What if all the ancestors of the maids that served in Singapore or the construction/shipyard workers (predominantly from the south Asian subcontinent) will ask for reparations later too.

 

It is always very easy to point fingers at one side but to forget the other sides....

 

This thread seems to me as set as a trap for Steve5380 into which he fell directly.

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1 hour ago, Guest Flaming said:

Flaming room thread

 

NO, not yet, at least leave it in the main page of the forum to let everyone in the forum know clearly and unequivocally that people like Ang Moh Steve have no moral superiority to dictate to us Asians that their system of human rights, Equality, Liberty, the way the deal with crime and punishment rings hollow when they have not dealt comprehensively with the problem of black people that they have  made slaves of exploited in the past, 

 

It rings hollow when today they like to proclaim loudly to any country they deal with even for trade discussions only that they will only trade with you if you ever reached that imaginary gold standard of 100% equality of human rights , which even the US themselves failed to meet yet they want to impose it on their so called 'adversaries' like the former Iraq, Yeeran, rocket man land, and central and South american countries.

 

Keep it on main forum for a while lah.

 

Its to remind people not to get too easily swayed by ppl like Ellen de Generes show that everything is hunky dory in America that she likes to potray and brainwash people in her 45 min talk show.

 

Its 45 mins of escapism .

 

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9 hours ago, Guest Flaming said:

Flaming room thread

 

Agree, and it is here now thanks to the Moderator!  Maybe in a while it could be thrown into the cyber shredder. 

 

8 hours ago, Guest please delete said:

I m sure the extinguished Dodo bird in Mauritius will set up an association to claim reparations too very soon.

 

I also think that the Dodo bird in Mauritius deserves reparations, more than any human!

Their reparations should include, in the first place, to be cloned back into existence.

Then, they should be given a bird sanctuary, with plenty of bird baths and big quantities of shell fish and crabs.

But... careful!  Shell fish and crabs may get entitled to reparations for having been fed to the Dodo birds  :lol:

 

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10 hours ago, Guest InBangkok said:

What an absolutely appalling, derogatory and utterly disgraceful comment!

 

There is a grain of truth in Steve's view.  Look at the hordes of African refugees now dying to cross the Mediterranean Sea to get to Europe.  (If sub-Saharan Africans are near that sea, they would do the same too).  At least the Afro-Americans of today need not suffer the drought, famine, diseases, in-fighting, religious terrorism and genocides that have plagued their African counterparts for decades.  Of course we should be equally appalled at the Japanese atrocities committed during World War 2 but then on hindsight, without their occupation, de-colonialism in the East would not have been accelerated. 

 

11 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

In addition, you are an abominable racist by the way you introduce the "typical white privilege", "white power" nonsense in your attacks.

 

Auntie OCD is just a racist xenophobe who would stop at nothing to discredit foreigners and those locals who agree with their views (calling them traitors or lackeys), no matter how reasonable and truthful their views may be.

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18 hours ago, Guest Loquacious Larry Laminator said:

 

The guest who started this thread is absolutely not the guest who predicted Kamala Harris will be the next US President. That guy writes so much more intelligently than you and this particular Guest Guest put together. Furthermore, doesn't he always post under the same name every single time he posted in the Pete Bootyjudge thread, so why would he suddenly resort to posting as Guest Guest in a completely unintelligent manner of writing? It doesn't add up in any way, shape, or form -- so I'm sure you are 100% wrong -- and this incident is a perfect example of why people need to address the substance of what they are posting towards each other and quit all of the incessant and infernal accusing each other of being somebody else.

  

And by the way, saying that blacks whose ancestors were illegally enslaved and dragged to America and horribly mistreated for hundreds of years are better off today than those in Africa ignores the evils that colonialism inflicted upon Africa for hundreds of years, but a typical white privilege comment. And then comes the deflecting to Christians and Jews and Palestinians and all kinds of other groups. The simple fact of the matter is "reparations" don't necessarily have to be a paycheck, but could be made in the form of proper investments in communities, education, and jobs to address the problems currently plaguing black people due to the never-ending cycle of systematic abuse the white power structure uses to prevent true equality.

 

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11 hours ago, Guest guest said:

 

NO, not yet, at least leave it in the main page of the forum to let everyone in the forum know clearly and unequivocally that people like Ang Moh Steve have no moral superiority to dictate to us Asians that their system of human rights, Equality, Liberty, the way the deal with crime and punishment rings hollow when they have not dealt comprehensively with the problem of black people that they have  made slaves of exploited in the past, 

 

It rings hollow when today they like to proclaim loudly to any country they deal with even for trade discussions only that they will only trade with you if you ever reached that imaginary gold standard of 100% equality of human rights , which even the US themselves failed to meet yet they want to impose it on their so called 'adversaries' like the former Iraq, Yeeran, rocket man land, and central and South american countries.

 

Keep it on main forum for a while lah.

 

Its to remind people not to get too easily swayed by ppl like Ellen de Generes show that everything is hunky dory in America that she likes to potray and brainwash people in her 45 min talk show.

 

Its 45 mins of escapism .

 

 

I fail to see where you get that point of some moral superiority of Steve and where in the whole thread he dictated anything to Asians.

I really fail to see this.

You unfairly blame other people because you paint here things as the only truth. Sorry but this only incurs in your own mind.

You have a big personality problem.

Any psychiatrist would conclude that you are the one who carries an inferiority complex in bringing up such inconclusive reasoning.

You always try to paint your truth, but sorry, it is not. It is even totally absurd.

 

First you set up this thing just to incite Steve to write a comment. You know very well that Steve would comment on a topic covering the US. Then you paint him as having a moral superiority and that he dictates his human rights point of view on Asians. There is none, I don't see where Steve said anything that others would conclude that he dictated a human rights view on anything here. This is very far stretched.

Steve gave his personal view on the matter of slavery. Even if we disagree on what he wrote, but I really fail to see where he intended to dictate anything on us or even argued with a human rights approach on the topic.

 

Let's be honest: There is nothing that can repair the injustice that incurred to the African slaves in the US. While I admit that there are still citizen in the US who would take the liberties and human rights from Africans in the US and have a racist tendency I don't think that this applies to Steve.

 

If you want to follow the propaganda of a LKY in inventing Asian values, then go ahead.

Unfortunately, you never were sufficiently smart to realise that LKY only used this reasoning to push aside basic human rights (which could have hindered his autocratic approach).

 

I can still say that Singaporeans tend to exploit South Asian workers and Indonesian or Filipina maids. I m not very sure if the treatment of these people comply with basic human standards or even Asian values...

Point your finger to white guys, I will point mine on you.

 

 

In everything what you write you are unjust to frame Steve as a white supremacist.

By the way you never noted that Steve is of Mexican origin and we don't even know whether his blood is mixed with the aborigines of Mexico or he might even carry some other tribal blood.

 

You should inform us why you actually carry this hatred against white guys. What have they done to you?

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27 minutes ago, Guest 零治零 said:

 

:clap:

 

we don't need this support from your clones or clowns.

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48 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

 

There is a grain of truth in Steve's view.  Look at the hordes of African refugees now dying to cross the Mediterranean Sea to get to Europe.  (If sub-Saharan Africans are near that sea, they would do the same too).  At least the Afro-Americans of today need not suffer the drought, famine, diseases, in-fighting, religious terrorism and genocides that have plagued their African counterparts for decades.  Of course we should be equally appalled at the Japanese atrocities committed during World War 2 but then on hindsight, without their occupation, de-colonialism in the East would not have been accelerated. 

 

 

Auntie OCD is just a racist xenophobe who would stop at nothing to discredit foreigners and those locals who agree with their views (calling them traitors or lackeys), no matter how reasonable and truthful their views may be.

 

Unfortunately, compared to the Germans the Japanese never really honestly apologised for their wrongdoings. This was one of the biggest mistakes of the US after the World war that they exclusively concentrated on Europe and left Asia a bit behind or maybe it was the bad conscience due to the nuclear bombings in Japan.

 

However, we should never forget the lessons learnt and would be better if the Asian countries united to compel Japan to sincerely apologise.

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51 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

Auntie OCD is just a racist xenophobe who would stop at nothing to discredit foreigners and those locals who agree with their views (calling them traitors or lackeys), no matter how reasonable and truthful their views may be.

 

Sorry but I don't think Dirty Auntie is merely racist. I think that he is fascist.

He carries a very fascist tendency and has built up a house on his personal fascist beliefs.

This is very dangerous and unseen for an Asian.

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8 hours ago, Guest please delete said:

would be better if the Asian countries united to compel Japan to sincerely apologise.

 

That can never happen in the near future.  The Jap govt has successfully censored information coming from neighbouring countries and those helpless individuals who publish wartime atrocities are silenced by yakuza-linked chauvinist organisations.  Back in 1995. I witnessed a small gathering outside one of its MRT stations to protest against having to apologise to China and Korea for wartime crimes.

 

There was this yearly ritual organised by JICA (Japan International Cooperation Agency), which provides a one-month free-of-charge tour of Japan.  Selected participants from schools, Ministry of Education and civil service of various southeast Asian countries are assembled into a Japan Airlines plane and sent to Japan.  The first thing they did on arrival at Tokyo is to apologise for what they did during World War 2 but all this is done behind doors.  Outside, the people are ignorant of the ugly truth.  At the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum, the displays exhibited show that the Japanese were victims, referring to the American bombing of Tokyo as "sudden in the night".  The one-month programme also includes visits to Kyoto and home-stay for 5 days at a certain location selected for individual participants.  Participants stay in high class hotels and cash is given for meals.  Participants are taught Japanese culture.  All this seems to be a cultural exchange programme but is a war reparation in disguise.

 

Youths are baffled at neighbouring countries' constant demand for apology while chauvinists who work in the Ministry of Education often revise textbooks to gloss over wartime atrocities.  Many years ago, when I was teaching English to a small class of Japanese students, I mentioned wartime atrocities committed but one of my students (in her 20s or 30s) reacted so negatively that she left my class angrily, complaining to the Principal.  The Principal asked me what happened and I told him I was just giving examples of atrocities when teaching the vocab word "atrocity".  She never came back.

 

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On 4/13/2019 at 8:49 AM, Nightingale said:

 

There was this yearly ritual organised by JICA (Japan International Cooperation Agency), which provides a one-month free-of-charge tour of Japan.  Selected participants from schools, Ministry of Education and civil service of various southeast Asian countries are assembled into a Japan Airlines plane and sent to Japan.  The first thing they did on arrival at Tokyo is to apologise for what they did during World War 2 but all this is done behind doors.  Outside, the people are ignorant of the ugly truth.  At the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum, the displays exhibited show that the Japanese were victims, referring to the American bombing of Tokyo as "sudden in the night".  The one-month programme also includes visits to Kyoto and home-stay for 5 days at a certain location selected for individual participants.  Participants stay in high class hotels and cash is given for meals.  Participants are taught Japanese culture.  All this seems to be a cultural exchange programme but is a war reparation in disguise.

 

LOL, did you force the Japan International Cooperation Agency to bring you to the gay saunas in Japan so that you don't have to apologise for your foot fetish and illegal fantasies while getting up to your nonsense in there? 

 

While being a 卖国贼? 

 

LOL

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16 hours ago, Guest Noemie said:

 

LOL, did you force the Japan International Cooperation Agency to bring you to the gay saunas in Japan so that you don't have to apologise for your foot fetish and illegal fantasies while getting up to your nonsense in there? 

 

While being a 卖国贼? 

 

LOL

 

Just trying to divert from your fascist slurs. You think we don't note when you try to divert from the topic.

We won't ask you to admit that you are fascist, because it is already common knowledge at Blowing Wind

 

 

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On 4/12/2019 at 11:05 AM, Guest please delete said:

 

Unfortunately, compared to the Germans the Japanese never really honestly apologised for their wrongdoings. This was one of the biggest mistakes of the US after the World war that they exclusively concentrated on Europe and left Asia a bit behind or maybe it was the bad conscience due to the nuclear bombings in Japan.

 

 

I think you are right in that the two atomic bombs the US dropped on Japan cities weight on the US conscience.  Also should weight the destruction of German cities by their blanket bombings.  But the horrors on both sides should be left in the past.  There is not enough money in the world to compensate victims of past deeds,  and the money we have should be better used to help the living who suffer today.  

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Look at whats happening in the world. Tan cheng bok is coming back to give a reap challange to the pap. Tan cheng bok amd Tean Lin are the shining stars of the worldwide political world. I can see Tean Lin gain respect from world leaders. These candidates should be smart and court the support of Tan Cheng Bok and Tean Lin to boast their credibility to win the race.

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6 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Look at whats happening in the world. Tan cheng bok is coming back to give a reap challange to the pap. Tan cheng bok amd Tean Lin are the shining stars of the worldwide political world. I can see Tean Lin gain respect from world leaders. These candidates should be smart and court the support of Tan Cheng Bok and Tean Lin to boast their credibility to win the race.

 

Great that you have so much hope, and now we know who likes to smear the discussions with those political messages.

But Singaporeans are already too complacest to act like Malaysians. Despite your repeated whining about the poor Singaporeans maybe they are already to well off to vote differently?

It will need something drastic to change the Singaporeans to take a risk for the better of their democracy.

 

Worldwide stars? you are exaggerating...

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The PRC is not "leaving the horrors on both sides in the past" and they never will. Even today, close to 50% of the television programs in the PRC are about WW2 and how terrible Japan was (and is), as well as (falsely) how "great" of a leader MZD was to "singlehandedly" lead the soon-to-be (at that time) PRC to victory over Japan.

 

The PRC is determined to get revenge by subjugating Japan, and for that matter the ret of Asia, under their iron boots. People can type Pollyanna nonsense all day long but the PRC are ratcheting up their armies and building military outposts on artificial islands in the Southeast Asia Sea to control trade by us and our neighbours.

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57 minutes ago, Guest Anti-Colonial said:

The PRC is not "leaving the horrors on both sides in the past" and they never will. Even today, close to 50% of the television programs in the PRC are about WW2 and how terrible Japan was (and is), as well as (falsely) how "great" of a leader MZD was to "singlehandedly" lead the soon-to-be (at that time) PRC to victory over Japan.

 

The PRC is determined to get revenge by subjugating Japan, and for that matter the ret of Asia, under their iron boots. People can type Pollyanna nonsense all day long but the PRC are ratcheting up their armies and building military outposts on artificial islands in the Southeast Asia Sea to control trade by us and our neighbours.

 

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