Guest WeddingSinger Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 Taiwan becomes first in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage Taiwan has legalised same-sex marriage, the first of any Asian state, with the passage of legislation giving gay couples the right to marry. Lawmakers on Friday comfortably passed part of a bill that would allow gay couples to enter into “exclusive permanent unions” and apply for marriage registration with government agencies. Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ing-wen, who campaigned on a platform of marriage equality, tweeted after the vote: “We took a big step towards true equality, and made Taiwan a better country.” Thousands of gay rights supporters gathered outside parliament in the capital, Taipei, despite heavy rain, watching a live broadcast of the proceedings. Supporters shouted “First in Asia!” after the article was passed. “What we have achieved is not easy,” said Victoria Hsu, the founder and executive director of the Taiwan Alliance to Promote Civil Partnership Rights. “The law will not be 100% perfect, but this is a good start and this is a major step to end discrimination based on sexual orientation. Now the law says everyone should be treated equally no matter who you are, who you love.” Two years ago, Hsu’s team represented the LGBT activist Chi Chia-wei in a lawsuit that led Taiwan’s constitutional court to rule that the denial of marriage rights to same-sex couples was unconstitutional. Judges had given the government until next Friday to pass legislation. As the deadline approached, three bills were introduced for voting on on Friday, the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia. Two other versions backed by conservatives avoided the word marriage and described same-sex partnerships as a “same-sex familial relationship” or “same-sex union”. The government’s bill, the most progressive of the three, is the only one to offer some adoption rights to same-sex couples, allowing spouses to adopt the biological children of their partner. Same-sex couples cannot co-adopt. Lawmakers were still debating adoption rights on Friday. LGBT supporters welcomed the bill. Cindy Su, one of thousands of gay marriage supporters who gathered outside parliament on Friday, told the crowd: “We are just a group of people who want to live well on this land and who love each other.” Hsu said she and her partner had already made plans to register as a married couple as soon as the law went into effect on 24 May, at the same office that rejected their attempt to marry five years ago. The department of civil affairs in Taipei said that as of Thursday, 151 couples had made appointments to register on that day. Taiwan, whose annual gay pride parade is the largest in the region, has long been a hub for LGBT activism. Advocates called for other Asian nations to follow its lead. “We hope this landmark vote will generate waves across Asia and offer a much-needed boost in the struggle for equality for LGBTI people in the region,” said Annie Huang, the acting director of Amnesty International Taiwan. “This is a moment to cherish and celebrate, but it has been a long and arduous campaign for Taiwan.” In a referendum last year, citizens overwhelmingly voted in favour of restricting the definition of marriage in Taiwan’s civil code to between a man and a woman. Tsai said in an earlier Facebook post that she recognised the issue had divided “families, generations and even inside religious groups”. She defended the government’s bill as the only one to respect both the court judgment and the referendum. Tsai’s ruling Democratic Progressive party (DPP) has a majority in parliament, occupying 68 out of 113 seats. Instead of amending the existing civil code, the government’s bill creates a new law under which same-sex marriages will be regulated. The Coalition for the Happiness of our Next Generation said on Friday that it “regrets and condemns” the parliament’s decision, describing it as a “malicious misinterpretation” of the result of last year’s referendum on the topic. Others warned that passing a gay marriage law would cause a backlash. “The cabinet’s bill ignores the referendum results and that is unacceptable,” said Lai Shyh-bao of the opposition Kuomintang party, who proposed one of the bills backed by conservatives. Activists said they would continue to push for more rights, such as recognition of transnational same-sex marriages, where one partner is from a country that does not recognise gay marriage. “I don’t think the fight is over. We will just enjoy this victory for today, and continue our fight tomorrow,” Hsu said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/17/taiwan-becomes-first-asian-county-to-legalise-same-sex-marriage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbitch Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 Could any gay-married friends share your experience? Is your marriage recognised in any way at all in a place like Singapore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, Guest WeddingSinger said: Taiwan becomes first in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage Taiwan has legalised same-sex marriage, the first of any Asian state, with the passage of legislation giving gay couples the right to marry. Lawmakers on Friday comfortably passed part of a bill that would allow gay couples to enter into “exclusive permanent unions” and apply for marriage registration with government agencies. Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ing-wen, who campaigned on a platform of marriage equality, tweeted after the vote: “We took a big step towards true equality, and made Taiwan a better country.” Thousands of gay rights supporters gathered outside parliament in the capital, Taipei, despite heavy rain, watching a live broadcast of the proceedings. Supporters shouted “First in Asia!” after the article was passed. “What we have achieved is not easy,” said Victoria Hsu, the founder and executive director of the Taiwan Alliance to Promote Civil Partnership Rights. “The law will not be 100% perfect, but this is a good start and this is a major step to end discrimination based on sexual orientation. Now the law says everyone should be treated equally no matter who you are, who you love.” Two years ago, Hsu’s team represented the LGBT activist Chi Chia-wei in a lawsuit that led Taiwan’s constitutional court to rule that the denial of marriage rights to same-sex couples was unconstitutional. Judges had given the government until next Friday to pass legislation. As the deadline approached, three bills were introduced for voting on on Friday, the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia. Two other versions backed by conservatives avoided the word marriage and described same-sex partnerships as a “same-sex familial relationship” or “same-sex union”. The government’s bill, the most progressive of the three, is the only one to offer some adoption rights to same-sex couples, allowing spouses to adopt the biological children of their partner. Same-sex couples cannot co-adopt. Lawmakers were still debating adoption rights on Friday. LGBT supporters welcomed the bill. Cindy Su, one of thousands of gay marriage supporters who gathered outside parliament on Friday, told the crowd: “We are just a group of people who want to live well on this land and who love each other.” Hsu said she and her partner had already made plans to register as a married couple as soon as the law went into effect on 24 May, at the same office that rejected their attempt to marry five years ago. The department of civil affairs in Taipei said that as of Thursday, 151 couples had made appointments to register on that day. Taiwan, whose annual gay pride parade is the largest in the region, has long been a hub for LGBT activism. Advocates called for other Asian nations to follow its lead. “We hope this landmark vote will generate waves across Asia and offer a much-needed boost in the struggle for equality for LGBTI people in the region,” said Annie Huang, the acting director of Amnesty International Taiwan. “This is a moment to cherish and celebrate, but it has been a long and arduous campaign for Taiwan.” In a referendum last year, citizens overwhelmingly voted in favour of restricting the definition of marriage in Taiwan’s civil code to between a man and a woman. Tsai said in an earlier Facebook post that she recognised the issue had divided “families, generations and even inside religious groups”. She defended the government’s bill as the only one to respect both the court judgment and the referendum. Tsai’s ruling Democratic Progressive party (DPP) has a majority in parliament, occupying 68 out of 113 seats. Instead of amending the existing civil code, the government’s bill creates a new law under which same-sex marriages will be regulated. The Coalition for the Happiness of our Next Generation said on Friday that it “regrets and condemns” the parliament’s decision, describing it as a “malicious misinterpretation” of the result of last year’s referendum on the topic. Others warned that passing a gay marriage law would cause a backlash. “The cabinet’s bill ignores the referendum results and that is unacceptable,” said Lai Shyh-bao of the opposition Kuomintang party, who proposed one of the bills backed by conservatives. Activists said they would continue to push for more rights, such as recognition of transnational same-sex marriages, where one partner is from a country that does not recognise gay marriage. “I don’t think the fight is over. We will just enjoy this victory for today, and continue our fight tomorrow,” Hsu said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/17/taiwan-becomes-first-asian-county-to-legalise-same-sex-marriage There is an exception clause, Cannot marry someone whose citizenship is a country that prohibits same sex marriage. Hahahaha ...... Be happy too early hor, Hahaha...it means Singapore PLU cannot marry Taiwanese PLU. Same for all the SOUTH EAST ASIAN countries.....hahahaha... For those hoping to marry and get out of theocratic countries too bad, Still goto suffer in home country , except meet kind Canadian , australian or nzlander who will give cinderella wedding in their western , no restriction countries, their countrymen who are LGBTQ can sponsor up to 3 persons in their lifetimes, allowed 2 failed relationships, annulments and divorce. Its to prevent exploitation and trafficking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate69 Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 hour ago, kingbitch said: Is your marriage recognised in any way at all in a place like Singapore? No wilfgene 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Guest guest said: There is an exception clause, Cannot marry someone whose citizenship is a country that prohibits same sex marriage. --- Still goto suffer in home country , except meet kind Canadian , australian or nzlander who will give cinderella wedding in their western , no restriction countries, their countrymen who are LGBTQ can sponsor up to 3 persons in their lifetimes, allowed 2 failed relationships, annulments and divorce. You forgot to include America in your list of countries who can sponsor an LGBT partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Steve5380 said: You forgot to include America in your list of countries who can sponsor an LGBT partner. Okay, if you say so. I think your govt requires partners to meet requirements. Trumps meritocracy. Maybe cannot be a strain on health system. Must be disease free, cancer free, kidney dialysis free, hiv and aids free and means to support one self before they'll let you in. It will definitely be more difficult then heteros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marineboy Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 How to become Taiwanese? Phil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Marineboy said: How to become Taiwanese? I am sure that Singapore will be the next one; well... I wish you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattChoy Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 Marriage. Hahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fat Hope Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Guest WeddingSinger said: Taiwan becomes first in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage Taiwan has legalised same-sex marriage, the first of any Asian state, with the passage of legislation giving gay couples the right to marry. Lawmakers on Friday comfortably passed part of a bill that would allow gay couples to enter into “exclusive permanent unions” and apply for marriage registration with government agencies. Taiwan’s president, Tsai Ing-wen, who campaigned on a platform of marriage equality, tweeted after the vote: “We took a big step towards true equality, and made Taiwan a better country.” Thousands of gay rights supporters gathered outside parliament in the capital, Taipei, despite heavy rain, watching a live broadcast of the proceedings. Supporters shouted “First in Asia!” after the article was passed. “What we have achieved is not easy,” said Victoria Hsu, the founder and executive director of the Taiwan Alliance to Promote Civil Partnership Rights. “The law will not be 100% perfect, but this is a good start and this is a major step to end discrimination based on sexual orientation. Now the law says everyone should be treated equally no matter who you are, who you love.” Two years ago, Hsu’s team represented the LGBT activist Chi Chia-wei in a lawsuit that led Taiwan’s constitutional court to rule that the denial of marriage rights to same-sex couples was unconstitutional. Judges had given the government until next Friday to pass legislation. As the deadline approached, three bills were introduced for voting on on Friday, the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia. Two other versions backed by conservatives avoided the word marriage and described same-sex partnerships as a “same-sex familial relationship” or “same-sex union”. The government’s bill, the most progressive of the three, is the only one to offer some adoption rights to same-sex couples, allowing spouses to adopt the biological children of their partner. Same-sex couples cannot co-adopt. Lawmakers were still debating adoption rights on Friday. LGBT supporters welcomed the bill. Cindy Su, one of thousands of gay marriage supporters who gathered outside parliament on Friday, told the crowd: “We are just a group of people who want to live well on this land and who love each other.” Hsu said she and her partner had already made plans to register as a married couple as soon as the law went into effect on 24 May, at the same office that rejected their attempt to marry five years ago. The department of civil affairs in Taipei said that as of Thursday, 151 couples had made appointments to register on that day. Taiwan, whose annual gay pride parade is the largest in the region, has long been a hub for LGBT activism. Advocates called for other Asian nations to follow its lead. “We hope this landmark vote will generate waves across Asia and offer a much-needed boost in the struggle for equality for LGBTI people in the region,” said Annie Huang, the acting director of Amnesty International Taiwan. “This is a moment to cherish and celebrate, but it has been a long and arduous campaign for Taiwan.” In a referendum last year, citizens overwhelmingly voted in favour of restricting the definition of marriage in Taiwan’s civil code to between a man and a woman. Tsai said in an earlier Facebook post that she recognised the issue had divided “families, generations and even inside religious groups”. She defended the government’s bill as the only one to respect both the court judgment and the referendum. Tsai’s ruling Democratic Progressive party (DPP) has a majority in parliament, occupying 68 out of 113 seats. Instead of amending the existing civil code, the government’s bill creates a new law under which same-sex marriages will be regulated. The Coalition for the Happiness of our Next Generation said on Friday that it “regrets and condemns” the parliament’s decision, describing it as a “malicious misinterpretation” of the result of last year’s referendum on the topic. Others warned that passing a gay marriage law would cause a backlash. “The cabinet’s bill ignores the referendum results and that is unacceptable,” said Lai Shyh-bao of the opposition Kuomintang party, who proposed one of the bills backed by conservatives. Activists said they would continue to push for more rights, such as recognition of transnational same-sex marriages, where one partner is from a country that does not recognise gay marriage. “I don’t think the fight is over. We will just enjoy this victory for today, and continue our fight tomorrow,” Hsu said. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/17/taiwan-becomes-first-asian-county-to-legalise-same-sex-marriage So? Once China say “no” the Taiwanese will still “LL Lan Lan”. *roll eyes* Once another party takes over they may change the policy... Dumb people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fat Hope Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, Phil said: I am sure that Singapore will be the next one; well... I wish you! Fat hope *roll eyes* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfgene Posted May 17, 2019 Report Share Posted May 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, Phil said: I am sure that Singapore will be the next one; well... I wish you! Entitlement to directly purchase flats units from the Government will suffix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 Don't be so pessimistic! Sometimes, things can change rapidly and unexpectedly... 7 hours ago, Guest Fat Hope said: Fat hope *roll eyes* 7 hours ago, wilfgene said: Entitlement to directly purchase flats units from the Government will suffix. Don't be so pesimistic, sometimes things can change rapidly and unexpectedly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsrelaxpp Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 Things can change quickly but culture and religion cannot, plus the kind of countries that we are surrounded by.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest InBangkok Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 I am really happy for the gay couples I know in Taiwan who are now able to marry. I wonder what Asian country will be next? Vietnam passed a bill permitting same-sex weddings back in 2014, but so far it does not offer any legal recognition or protection. Thailand has just made its first move towards greater equality. Several of Tokyo's wards now recognise same-sex civil unions. But for years Taiwan has been way ahead of the rest of Asia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Letsrelaxpp said: Things can change quickly but culture and religion cannot, plus the kind of countries that we are surrounded by.... Smothered by a sea of green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest True.love.is Circle Jerk Posted May 18, 2019 Report Share Posted May 18, 2019 Christian fucktards can now go: A) bang their foreheads on the table/against the wall, B) suck their thumbs/toes/a lemon/an egg, C) commit suicide, D) or change their views True.love.is can STFU oredi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 https://m.facebook.com/PrismDigitalMagazine/photos/a.404268743099164/1063304667195565/?type=3&source=57 Sg when? Quote 鍾意就好,理佢男定女 never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want. 结缘不结怨 解怨不解缘 After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say. 看穿不说穿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan1456 Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Sg not so fast unless change of parental control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Can foreigner couples go to Taiwan to register their marriage? But then again, even its OK, the registration will not be recognized in their home country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, Anderson said: Can foreigner couples go to Taiwan to register their marriage? But then again, even its OK, the registration will not be recognized in their home country. No. Yes. Quote 鍾意就好,理佢男定女 never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want. 结缘不结怨 解怨不解缘 After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say. 看穿不说穿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sggay Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, Anderson said: Can foreigner couples go to Taiwan to register their marriage? But then again, even its OK, the registration will not be recognized in their home country. Foreigners can register provided same sex marriage is also recognised back in their home country, if not cannot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, Guest sggay said: Foreigners can register provided same sex marriage is also recognised back in their home country, if not cannot. If it is allowed in their home country, likely they can register there too. Quote 鍾意就好,理佢男定女 never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want. 结缘不结怨 解怨不解缘 After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say. 看穿不说穿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 On occasion of Taiwan's legalization of same-sex marriage, I have learned that Vietnam has made significant strides towards equality of LGQTs, although the population still sees homosexuality as taboo and gays there are afraid of shamed if they come out of the closet. But the pro-gay actions by the government have not precipitated revolts by society or crises of immorality. So why are Singaporeans so freaked out by the idea of abolishing 377A? Or politicians who could make this happen so afraid of being dropped by the electorate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 I am not surprised at all. Taiwan is always very progressive and is several steps ahead of singapore in every way. I had the great honour of visiting Taiwan several years ago and was totally amzed by this magnificiant city. Personally, i feel Taiwan beat singapore hands down over transport, housing, healthcare, education, food, standard of living, recreation, gardens, culture, shopping, quality of live, buildings, government, innovation. No wonder the world is not only in awe over Taiwan but inspire to be like taiwan..while personally i feel Singapore is heading back to 3rd world standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Guest Guest said: Personally, i feel Taiwan beat singapore hands down over transport, housing, healthcare, education, food, standard of living, recreation, gardens, culture, shopping, quality of live, buildings, government, innovation. you must be another Singaporean that takes Singapore for granted. from a tourist's point of view, Taiwan is wow, so good, so fun. but from a citizen's point of view, Taiwan is going downhill. the political scene and government system is messy. economy is suffering due to pressure from China. every year, many graduates can't find jobs. out of the 4 Asian Tigers, Taiwan is the one going downhill and can't match up with its counterparts. maybe you should go stay in other countries and then you will know how good Singapore is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Guest Eric said: you must be another Singaporean that takes Singapore for granted. from a tourist's point of view, Taiwan is wow, so good, so fun. but from a citizen's point of view, Taiwan is going downhill. the political scene and government system is messy. economy is suffering due to pressure from China. every year, many graduates can't find jobs. out of the 4 Asian Tigers, Taiwan is the one going downhill and can't match up with its counterparts. maybe you should go stay in other countries and then you will know how good Singapore is. Please. Taiwan politics is messy? Than how come they pass gay married? Parties will Come togetger for good of country, taiwan just showed the world that! Are you sleeping? Please wake up! Go read real news instead of MSN ST. We now have many credible news agencies like The Independent, WUS, RICE, TOC and so on..also look at hard working man of the people like Tan Cheng Bok or Tean Lin to know about the real truth. Taiwan is progressing while Singapore is sliding, the gay married allowed just showed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 45 minutes ago, Guest Guest said: Please. Taiwan politics is messy? Than how come they pass gay married? Parties will Come togetger for good of country, taiwan just showed the world that! Are you sleeping? Please wake up! Go read real news instead of MSN ST. We now have many credible news agencies like The Independent, WUS, RICE, TOC and so on..also look at hard working man of the people like Tan Cheng Bok or Tean Lin to know about the real truth. Taiwan is progressing while Singapore is sliding, the gay married allowed just showed that. Haha, are you a student? if not, very disgraceful, you should read up more. it's a fact that the Taiwanese political scene is messy and has alot of issues. what can you expect when the governing party changes in every election? the economy is suffering. A passing of a same-sex marriage law does not suddenly make the country become superior such as 'beat singapore hands down over transport, housing, healthcare, education, food, standard of living, recreation, gardens, culture, shopping, quality of live, buildings, government, innovation' like you claimed. very absurb. i like Taiwan as a tourist destination and its gay scene but that's about it. If Taiwan is so good and Spore is bad, why not you get out of SG and move there? shall not further argue with you based on your myopic world views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Si Gui Kia Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Taiwan politics is messy? That's the only negative you can come up with? Singapore politics is so call neat because of you know what so stop kidding yourself it is all healthy and sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chenshuibian Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Who cares if Tw politics is messy or their weak government.....there are so many cute and hot Tw guys... Having said that, I don’t wish to stay in Tw cos there’s frequent earthquake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Guest Eric said: Haha, are you a student? if not, very disgraceful, you should read up more. it's a fact that the Taiwanese political scene is messy and has alot of issues. what can you expect when the governing party changes in every election? the economy is suffering. A passing of a same-sex marriage law does not suddenly make the country become superior such as 'beat singapore hands down over transport, housing, healthcare, education, food, standard of living, recreation, gardens, culture, shopping, quality of live, buildings, government, innovation' like you claimed. very absurb. i like Taiwan as a tourist destination and its gay scene but that's about it. If Taiwan is so good and Spore is bad, why not you get out of SG and move there? shall not further argue with you based on your myopic world views. Like I said..this same sex marriage shows that if the policy is for the good for the people, parties will come to terms amd agreement. Is this called messy? Society is not only about gdp growth at all cost! We will prefer a slower pace of life, enjoy life, enjoy our hard work. So what if we have gleeming buildings when we singaporeans do not benefit? MbS, jewel, rws, gardens by the bay? All these are ment for foreigners and the rich, not for us singaporeans who are barely keeping our heads above water struggling to survive the very high cost of housing, transport, healthcare and education. So yes, we rather have slower growth, make the country less crowded, less crowded mrt, cheaper food..stop spending money on u necessary road works, 500k rubbish bins, millions on elevators next to overheadbridges, jewel, fancy government buildings channel all these billions to heathcare, education and the poor. So taiwan is much better than singapore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dunangry Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, Guest Guest said: Like I said..this same sex marriage shows that if the policy is for the good for the people, parties will come to terms amd agreement. Is this called messy? Society is not only about gdp growth at all cost! We will prefer a slower pace of life, enjoy life, enjoy our hard work. So what if we have gleeming buildings when we singaporeans do not benefit? MbS, jewel, rws, gardens by the bay? All these are ment for foreigners and the rich, not for us singaporeans who are barely keeping our heads above water struggling to survive the very high cost of housing, transport, healthcare and education. So yes, we rather have slower growth, make the country less crowded, less crowded mrt, cheaper food..stop spending money on u necessary road works, 500k rubbish bins, millions on elevators next to overheadbridges, jewel, fancy government buildings channel all these billions to heathcare, education and the poor. So taiwan is much better than singapore. Sg not born into silver spoon like brunei. Sg dun hav naturel resources n dun hav enough land. Sg has to do the other way to survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) Socially tw is more tolerance towards lgbt than SG. Economy wise, on the surface, SG has higher GDP per capita, but r we really enjoying more than twnese given our higher cost of living n higher income gap? I really donno. Edited May 20, 2019 by fab Quote 鍾意就好,理佢男定女 never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want. 结缘不结怨 解怨不解缘 After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say. 看穿不说穿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fap Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 hours ago, fab said: Socially tw is more tolerance towards lgbt than SG. Economy wise, on the surface, SG has higher GDP per capita, but r we really enjoying more than twnese given our higher cost of living n higher income gap? I really donno. To be honest cost of living in TW is not low. Cities like Taipei can even be more expensive than SG. Their fresh uni grads have pathetic starting pay like 25k twd? Thats like only 1.1k sgd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Yes, I am aware of their low pay. This attributes to the fact that there's an oversupply of graduates. But I m quite sure the costs of transport, housing and food are lower than sg. Quote 鍾意就好,理佢男定女 never argue with the guests. let them bark all they want. 结缘不结怨 解怨不解缘 After I have said what I wanna say, I don't care what you say. 看穿不说穿 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 hours ago, fab said: Yes, I am aware of their low pay. This attributes to the fact that there's an oversupply of graduates. But I m quite sure the costs of transport, housing and food are lower than sg. You must be surprised to learn that housing and public transport is more expensive in taipei as comparee to sg. Most taiwanese in taipei rent as they cannot afford to buy even if their next generation takes over the loan. https://topics.amcham.com.tw/2018/10/taipeis-affordable-housing-challenge/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfgene Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 5/20/2019 at 6:04 PM, fab said: Socially tw is more tolerance towards lgbt than SG. Economy wise, on the surface, SG has higher GDP per capita, but r we really enjoying more than twnese given our higher cost of living n higher income gap? I really donno. Weren't you the member who provided the address of the temple in Taiwan to pray for great homosexual relationship? You don't live in a place until you pay the utility bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovehandle Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Many couples getting married (interview): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HydroNaut Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 First Gay Marriage in Taiwan.... https://sg.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-hold-first-gay-weddings-historic-day-asia-210239839.html When will it comes to Singapore? Lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovehandle Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, HydroNaut said: First Gay Marriage in Taiwan.... https://sg.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-hold-first-gay-weddings-historic-day-asia-210239839.html When will it comes to Singapore? Lol... tough! We cannot even have a strong ambassador that can manage emotions and words properly Edited May 24, 2019 by lovehandle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 7 hours ago, HydroNaut said: First Gay Marriage in Taiwan.... https://sg.yahoo.com/news/taiwan-hold-first-gay-weddings-historic-day-asia-210239839.html When will it comes to Singapore? Lol... Great! And the earth did not open to swallow these gays who got married! And Taiwanese religious freedom did not seem to have suddenly come to an end! Here in the US we are not so lucky: We have televangelist Pat Robertson predicting that if a proposed "Equality Law" passes here, it will make "Land Vomit you Out", and this protection to LGBTQs is a devastating blow to religious freedom (... freedom to hate? ) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pat-robertson-equality-act-vomit_n_5cdc0477e4b0c39d2a143dc9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letsrelaxpp Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 On 5/20/2019 at 5:45 PM, Guest dunangry said: Sg not born into silver spoon like brunei. Sg dun hav naturel resources n dun hav enough land. Sg has to do the other way to survive. This is a very interesting point, put sg government into brunei, i am not sure if there will still be free education or medical benefits. Taiwan definitely face more problems than us, in terms of natural disaster they got earthquake and typhoon, their political stand will also affect them economically, so is their retirement scheme for military personnels, civil servants and teachers. Talents leave the country for higher pay and low birth rate make it even worse. Gay marriage is more of a human rights issue and not so much political or economic issue as for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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