Ketogenic Diet

[HendryTan]

https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/wellness/keto-diet-long-term-health-effects-11826800

 

I have colleagues/friends who have started on Ketogenic Diet. Anybody in BW on it and care share your experience ?

[fab]

I knew a few persons who tried.

 

V effective but Difficult to sustain in long run. 

 

One always gets giddy cos of low sugar.

 

Another one got kidney problem though not sure if it's due to this diet.

 

[Guest Try and see]

It sounds dangerous, cos you are messing with your body's internal functions, especially by forcing your body to get its energy from fats instead of sugar.

 

Also, the potential risks and side effects seem to outweigh the benefits of it.

 

You can watch the below video for a summary of it.

 

 

[Guest Fury Green Caterpillar]

1 hour ago, Guest Try and see said:

It sounds dangerous, cos you are messing with your body's internal functions, especially by forcing your body to get its energy from fats instead of sugar.

 

Also, the potential risks and side effects seem to outweigh the benefits of it.

 

 

 

Keto, is a progressive lifestyle change.  You don't jump into it immediately unlike an overnight vegetarian.  You need to get your body adjusted slowly, to this new form of diet.  Almost 80% of foods in supermarket are not Keto friendly.   You must learn to understand their labels' nutriitional fact carefully, including mineral water.  Any oversight will render Keto useless, not to mention how you prepare your foods.  Restrict only  to certain products that works.  It is not a food adventures to try different thing until it works,  but rather a discipline and know before you purchase.  There will be side effect, spike in bad cholesterol, headache, nauseous,  because the body was trying to adapt.   Keto must work hand-in-hand with regor exercises, because you need to burn what you consumed: mostly fat.  Also be prepared to give up all your favourite local foods like Friend Kuay Teow,  Chicken Rice, Rojak...etc.  No in-between snacking on potato chips, pastris, Koi bubble tea, Mcondald, friend chicken, donut...etc.

 

If you can adhere to the above regime for the rest of your life,  Keto might just work for you. No point "suffer" for one year, than give up and revert to your old systems it one was..

 

If you are already very old,  not sure you want to enjoy life eating or eating to stay alive.  

 

 

 

  

[yoyo74]

Keto diet works for me. For me is vegetarian version as i am a vegetarian.

Many high carb stuff like rice, noodles, bread, pasta need to remove or reduce until extremely small portion like 1 or 2 spoon full to eat

During lunch time i would eat a very little amount of carbs like brown rice with egg dish and vegetables while dinner time i would just plainly eat vegetables and no other high carb food.

I still want to enjoy life and i never omit any suger drinks, just that i would always choose reduce sugar drinks. I still eat quite a lot of sweet though. Those bubble tea i would choose fruit tea instead of milk tea.

Avocados is a high fat food i highly recommend which is high in nutritional benefits. Blend it in fruit juicer and add honey instead of sugar and milk.

Potato chips maybe eat 1 or 2 slice per day if you cant stop yourself from eating it. You may end up using 1 month to eat one packet of potato chips lol. Its all up to self discipline.

If you are unable to cut off some food completely just reduce it to an extremely small amount. Its always your will power that controls it. You must always tell yourself that your will power is above average than normal people than you will succeed.

You can dont need go full Keto if you cant sustain it. Go partial Keto first and maintain it forever and you will be slimmer than those that never go Keto.

[upshot]

On 8/24/2019 at 1:26 PM, HendryTan said:

https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/wellness/keto-diet-long-term-health-effects-11826800

 

I have colleagues/friends who have started on Ketogenic Diet. Anybody in BW on it and care share your experience ?

I think I mention that a number of times but many think I am a joke about it.. so whatever they want to make of it. It works great for me for over a year and a half after researching it for over a year.

Edited November 12, 2020 by upshot

[upshot]

The food pyramid is actually NOT HEALTHY given newer findings. Too much carbohydrate items are place too high a priority over meat and veggies. Problem as with many things we take for granted that 'settled' old research finding.... why redo research and experiments when findings seem so established and adopted all over the world. Until bad things happened. Obesity, cancer, inflammation, digestive issues ..etc. If you are not getting rid of that tummy or baby fat even when you work out pretty often, it's your diet. It has more impact on you as a human than you know. Not all food are good for you... including fruits, vegetables, seeds...etc

 

KETO is basically going back to the day of living as human did 100s of years ago. A lot of the medical problems we faced today is due to what you eat. The analogy I like to use to explain Keto is, you are teaching your body to once again burn diesel instead of petrol all the time. There are a lot of research material out there in the world of Internet. If you really want to help yourself be more healthy and not just about KETO it is out there. You can not just read the headings and a bit here and there, you have to jump in deep and it will surprise you. You do not need to go full KETO which is pricey, you just need to understand how your body works and break through all the usual conventional dietary advice. Even a low carb diet will do you a world of good. Give up starchy carbo food, sugar and even reduce certain fruits.

[marcoc]

1 hour ago, upshot said:

 

 

KETO is basically going back to the day of living as human did 100s of years ago. A lot of the medical problems we faced today is due to what you eat.

 

Fully agreed. But Keto really hard to sustain in modern day diet which is carbohydrates base. When human left hunter and gatherer to large sale farming to sustain large population growth, it the beginning of modern day diet. Modern day diet is only few thousand years not enough time for genetic mutation to adapt to carbohydrates base diet.

 

[upshot]

36 minutes ago, marcoc said:

 

Fully agreed. But Keto really hard to sustain in modern day diet which is carbohydrates base. When human left hunter and gatherer to large sale farming to sustain large population growth, it the beginning of modern day diet. Modern day diet is only few thousand years not enough time for genetic mutation to adapt to carbohydrates base diet.

 

It is not hard be on keto as per say. Its the whole EXPENSIVE shit about it.. once someone label something healthy.. the price is jacked up high. That is what makes going healthy diet food stuff hard to achieve daily.. The process is not totally different then making other food processing but the perception that is has more health quality to it, they slap a higher price for it... as much as 3 times at times

 

So over the one year I tweak it and sort other cheaper alternative and compromise on it where I can. Sorry to correct you but the modern diet is about 100 yrs old. Sugar is not ancient. Many other crops were also not processed the way it is but in the last 100 yrs or so. You can find a lot of historical medical finding on this. The compilation of the nutritional food pyramid is partially lazy guess work and cherry-picked if you read about how this came about in the US. All our nutritional guidelines in Singapore ALL follow that. As always people are general too busy with their life or lazy to find out so if doctor tell you, it must be true. Even doctors if pressed can't answer my queries. When I had my surgery recently I had such a hard time talking to various doctors at the Hospital all the way to their specialist Endocrinology Dept as they were trying to discuss my diet for my diabetes. All these years doctors have told me what to do about my diabetes and how to keep the sugar under control but in the end Keto bring it down to a manageable level... so much so, recently a doctor reduce my medication after 20 yrs.

 

GMO has altered so many food items that what was healthy is no longer but 'kept' to tolerable levels. As with a lot of other things I believe in these day, I do not research I do not believe. heheh

 

Read up on Saturated fat...you find it is actually not bad for you. To be fair, anything taken to the extreme in consumption is bad for you. Anyone live long like me enough to remember how they claim egg is bad for you and then it is good for you and then it is bad for you..so many food items has had flip flop... why? Not so much for health but the politics of profits and who control the market and want to shift the market.

 

I now on days I have a lot of physical work to do like setting up a public stand with lighting, sound and visual and yoh have to scale structures.. 10 eggs is all I took and I last 12 hours without eating. There is a problem to over eating carbs for physical work. Until you understand all that, you are actually over eating but you THINK you still need to eat more. Food cause you to act in a certain way and at times make you eat way more then you need to.

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by upshot

[lonelyglobe]

Life is short, don't be too hard on yourself,  just ensure a balanced diet and adequate exercise is good enough. 

[Guest Keto]

2 hours ago, upshot said:

It is not hard be on keto as per say. Its the whole EXPENSIVE shit about it.. once someone label something healthy.. the price is jacked up high. That is what makes going healthy diet food stuff hard to achieve daily.. The process is not totally different then making other food processing but the perception that is has more health quality to it, they slap a higher price for it... as much as 3 times at times

 

So over the one year I tweak it and sort other cheaper alternative and compromise on it where I can. Sorry to correct you but the modern diet is about 100 yrs old. Sugar is not ancient. Many other crops were also not processed the way it is but in the last 100 yrs or so. You can find a lot of historical medical finding on this. The compilation of the nutritional food pyramid is partially lazy guess work and cherry-picked if you read about how this came about in the US. All our nutritional guidelines in Singapore ALL follow that. As always people are general too busy with their life or lazy to find out so if doctor tell you, it must be true. Even doctors if pressed can't answer my queries. When I had my surgery recently I had such a hard time talking to various doctors at the Hospital all the way to their specialist Endocrinology Dept as they were trying to discuss my diet for my diabetes. All these years doctors have told me what to do about my diabetes and how to keep the sugar under control but in the end Keto bring it down to a manageable level... so much so, recently a doctor reduce my medication after 20 yrs.

 

GMO has altered so many food items that what was healthy is no longer but 'kept' to tolerable levels. As with a lot of other things I believe in these day, I do not research I do not believe. heheh

 

Read up on Saturated fat...you find it is actually not bad for you. To be fair, anything taken to the extreme in consumption is bad for you. Anyone live long like me enough to remember how they claim egg is bad for you and then it is good for you and then it is bad for you..so many food items has had flip flop... why? Not so much for health but the politics of profits and who control the market and want to shift the market.

 

I now on days I have a lot of physical work to do like setting up a public stand with lighting, sound and visual and yoh have to scale structures.. 10 eggs is all I took and I last 12 hours without eating. There is a problem to over eating carbs for physical work. Until you understand all that, you are actually over eating but you THINK you still need to eat more. Food cause you to act in a certain way and at times make you eat way more then you need to.

 

 

 

How you manage to gulp down all 10 eggs? 

[Why?]

16 hours ago, yoyo74 said:

Keto diet works for me. For me is vegetarian version as i am a vegetarian.

 

 

Keto is not the same as vegetarian. It involved mental and hard work to recalibrate your entire view about food.  Which means, all tasty scrumptuous meal you once had, has to be tossed out of the kitchem  You have to observe Carb, Sugar, non-GMO, Glycmic index, unprocessed food, scrutinise every word on the can labels and many combinations of other factors mentioned including fasting and type of exercising.  You also need some amount of lean meat intake, to build your healthy fat.  It was like playing a Buzz Wire game.  Once you take a bite of potatoe chip, friied food or a small sip of coke, "PEEP!!" you hit the wire and return to the starting point.  Not easy, better stick to your salad bowl and seasoned it with all tasty ingredients which may not be keto friendly.   Are you scare yet?

Edited November 13, 2020 by Why?

[Guest Keto]

2 hours ago, marcoc said:

 

Fully agreed. But Keto really hard to sustain in modern day diet which is carbohydrates base. When human left hunter and gatherer to large sale farming to sustain large population growth, it the beginning of modern day diet. Modern day diet is only few thousand years not enough time for genetic mutation to adapt to carbohydrates base diet.

 

When I tried to include beef in my diet, I go for western food to order for sirloin steak at AMK stall. I almost cannot finish eating. The last few bites like forcing down my throat. That surfeited feeling makes me sick of ever trying to try steak again. 

[marcoc]

2 hours ago, upshot said:

It is not hard be on keto as per say. Its the whole EXPENSIVE shit about it.. once someone label something healthy.. the price is jacked up high. That is what makes going healthy diet food stuff hard to achieve daily.. The process is not totally different then making other food processing but the perception that is has more health quality to it, they slap a higher price for it... as much as 3 times at times

 

So over the one year I tweak it and sort other cheaper alternative and compromise on it where I can. Sorry to correct you but the modern diet is about 100 yrs old. Sugar is not ancient. Many other crops were also not processed the way it is but in the last 100 yrs or so. You can find a lot of historical medical finding on this. The compilation of the nutritional food pyramid is partially lazy guess work and cherry-picked if you read about how this came about in the US. All our nutritional guidelines in Singapore ALL follow that. As always people are general too busy with their life or lazy to find out so if doctor tell you, it must be true. Even doctors if pressed can't answer my queries. When I had my surgery recently I had such a hard time talking to various doctors at the Hospital all the way to their specialist Endocrinology Dept as they were trying to discuss my diet for my diabetes. All these years doctors have told me what to do about my diabetes and how to keep the sugar under control but in the end Keto bring it down to a manageable level... so much so, recently a doctor reduce my medication after 20 yrs.

 

GMO has altered so many food items that what was healthy is no longer but 'kept' to tolerable levels. As with a lot of other things I believe in these day, I do not research I do not believe. heheh

 

Read up on Saturated fat...you find it is actually not bad for you. To be fair, anything taken to the extreme in consumption is bad for you. Anyone live long like me enough to remember how they claim egg is bad for you and then it is good for you and then it is bad for you..so many food items has had flip flop... why? Not so much for health but the politics of profits and who control the market and want to shift the market.

 

I now on days I have a lot of physical work to do like setting up a public stand with lighting, sound and visual and yoh have to scale structures.. 10 eggs is all I took and I last 12 hours without eating. There is a problem to over eating carbs for physical work. Until you understand all that, you are actually over eating but you THINK you still need to eat more. Food cause you to act in a certain way and at times make you eat way more then you need to.

 

 

 

Fats is alway more expensive then carbohydrates... it’s hard to find fats in most food court food without carbs drowning in them. For our half naked ancestor, they will eat the whole animal they caught... nothing go to waste... they also do not have access to a whole field of rice for their carbohydrates. So they carbohydrates is limited in a way... and they also don’t have food processor that break down food to a point that our stomach acids doing minimum job...

 

In a way our half naked ancestors eating is more close to nature. What we eat nowadays is actually control by food companies... In short... our genetic is design to process food found in nature and food processing is by stone tools, cooking over fire and you start chewing food using your teeth to breakdown your food. After this point... The strong stomach acid take over. Till our genetic mutation catch up with our food we eating now, we will have a lot of medical condition like diabetes...

 

[marcoc]

31 minutes ago, Guest Keto said:

When I tried to include beef in my diet, I go for western food to order for sirloin steak at AMK stall. I almost cannot finish eating. The last few bites like forcing down my throat. That surfeited feeling makes me sick of ever trying to try steak again. 

Fats and protein is more filling then carbohydrates... That’s why you cannot eat that much. 

[Guest Fat]

15 minutes ago, marcoc said:

Fats is alway more expensive then carbohydrates... it’s hard to find fats in most food court food without carbs drowning in them. For our half naked ancestor, they will eat the whole animal they caught... nothing go to waste... they also do not have access to a whole field of rice for their carbohydrates. So they carbohydrates is limited in a way... and they also don’t have food processor that break down food to a point that our stomach acids doing minimum job...

 

In a way our half naked ancestors eating is more close to nature. What we eat nowadays is actually control by food companies... In short... our genetic is design to process food found in nature and food processing is by stone tools, cooking over fire and you start chewing food using your teeth to breakdown your food. After this point... The strong stomach acid take over. Till our genetic mutation catch up with our food we eating now, we will have a lot of medical condition like diabetes...

 

Does eating mainly meat leads to high cholesterol? Our ancestors lead an active lifestyle running here and there to hunt animals. But our lifestyle is a bit different. Aircon office. Even if not sitting in aircon office, we also seldom running here and there? And how many of us can afford gym membership. Even so, how many of us can religiously go to gym. Or how many of us really workout in the gym if not just to oogle hunky guys. How many of us the blue collar worker have time to go to gym after a hard day of work? How many of us can afford to have big meat everyday? How many of us have time to prep keto meal everyday? We just settle it at chap cai fan and go to work. Keto diet is for the rich and have alot of time sitting in the aircon office.

[Guest Ketogay]

I did keto for quite a long while previously and then on and off now. The diet is actually not difficult to sustain cos you can still eat alot of food, just have to cut out carbs. I was quite disciplined and limit myself to only 20g of carbs daily or even lesser. The difficult thing is that its expensive in the long run. The price and not the food or lifestyle, is difficult to sustain.

 

But keto diet is really effective and gives good results. The idea is that when you limit carbs, your body taps onto your stored fats for fuel. Any time I want to cut down on my belly and waist fats and have defined abs, keto always does the job. 
 

I coupled keto diet with intermittent fasting and the results is even better. Honestly if you are disciplined in keto, you dun even have to exercise much. For me, when I have no time to gym, i do HIIT, it takes me less than 15 mins daily.

 

Also, I never really experience the keto flu. During keto, i drink lots of water and get at least 7 hrs of sleep. If anything, im actually more alert and have more energy. So why didnt I do it long term? Well i love to eat and still wanna indulge in carbs every now and then. But highly recommend the diet to those with discipline and wanna lose fats.

[upshot]

1 hour ago, Guest Keto said:

How you manage to gulp down all 10 eggs? 

Hard-boil or raw... I am comfortable with that. Make a cup of coffee, cut a slab of high fat butter from KerryGold (gold standard for keto fat butter) and then I crack anything from 5 to 10 eggs. Sometimes I add thick cream of coconut to it to take the sting out of the bitter coffee. depending on the blend I bought. I tweak how much to take depending on demand of my work. I also try to keep to a 16/8 diet. Meaning 16 hours fast and only eat within the 8 hour slot.

 

You know what.. this help me with my bowel... less cleaning as less doodoo passing out and better for my anal fun . In fact too much veggie is not good as it causes bulky roughish which is what is made up of your shit. hahahah

Edited November 13, 2020 by upshot

[upshot]

1 hour ago, marcoc said:

Fats is alway more expensive then carbohydrates... it’s hard to find fats in most food court food without carbs drowning in them. For our half naked ancestor, they will eat the whole animal they caught... nothing go to waste... they also do not have access to a whole field of rice for their carbohydrates. So they carbohydrates is limited in a way... and they also don’t have food processor that break down food to a point that our stomach acids doing minimum job...

 

In a way our half naked ancestors eating is more close to nature. What we eat nowadays is actually control by food companies... In short... our genetic is design to process food found in nature and food processing is by stone tools, cooking over fire and you start chewing food using your teeth to breakdown your food. After this point... The strong stomach acid take over. Till our genetic mutation catch up with our food we eating now, we will have a lot of medical condition like diabetes...

 

You are right. In the old days, where we have that luxury of we are hungry, just head to the fridge to make a sandwich. Eating does not take place 24/7. You do not hunt you get no food. We have slowly evolved to where we are and that is why health-wise as a human being we are now a lot more unhealthy and so more illness are about. A lot of the so call illness of the modern world almost did not EXIST. Diabetes is almost unheard of. High blood too. Cancer of so many kind did not exist.

 

There are a lot of food items we should not be eating or eat less. The early human did not eat veggie or fruits unless there was no meat for example. Being totally on meat is not new... it was a way of life and STILL is. If you think you need fruits or veggie for all the nutrients, many will be surprise to heard you can get all that from animals and some, your own body is triggered to make them. Look at the Eskimos.. you know how they live in a place where you see nothing but snow. No trees or plants. What do you think they eat for hundreds and hundreds of years and STILL DO? MEAT. So where is the nutrient like Vitamin C, D, A..etc coming from? Google that study and it may amaze you to see how the human body works.

 

Keto or palaeontology or carnivore diet is not fashion diet fad. They are base on studies of how the human body works. But so many of the modern food is not natural and that cause our body to react badly to it. For me, I bear witness to how much improve it has for me. To say it is for everyone, NO. You will need to tweak it a little as each person has a different refinement to it. Just like some have big cocks and other do not heheheh... I have fine tune my diet to suit me. I would love to go full 100% keto but that would mean spending easily twice as much. But I have seen a big jump in my health and energy level and some past problems are almost all gone. I don't push this on anyone but I would just say, give it a try. Do some research. Fasting is also beneficial.

 

Edited November 13, 2020 by upshot

[upshot]

50 minutes ago, Guest Ketogay said:

Also, I never really experience the keto flu.

 

Wah that one hit me for over a week. hehe and laushae...but once passed, it was fine.  But if I take a cheat week off it, the flu might hit me for a day or so.. it is like changing your petrol engine to diesel. herheh

 

The only time I eat more carbo is when I need to do long period of heavy physical work... that's where that bit more carb gives me that extra boost in sustain stamina. There is always that need for some carb intake. not a lot but more then my usual diet of about 2-5% carb.

Edited November 13, 2020 by upshot

[marcoc]

31 minutes ago, upshot said:

You are right. In the old days, where we have that luxury of we are hungry, just head to the fridge to make a sandwich. Eating does not take place 24/7. You do not hunt you get no food. We have slowly evolved to where we are and that is why health-wise as a human being we are now a lot more unhealthy and so more illness are about. A lot of the so call illness of the modern world almost did not EXIST. Diabetes is almost unheard of. High blood too. Cancer of so many kind did not exist.

 

There are a lot of food items we should not be eating or eat less. The early human did not eat veggie or fruits unless there was no meat for example. Being totally on meat is not new... it was a way of life and STILL is. If you think you need fruits or veggie for all the nutrients, many will be surprise to heard you can get all that from animals and some, your own body is triggered to make them. Look at the Eskimos.. you know how they live in a place where you see nothing but snow. No trees or plants. What do you think they eat for hundreds and hundreds of years and STILL DO? MEAT. So where is the nutrient like Vitamin C, D, A..etc coming from? Google that study and it may amaze you to see how the human body works.

 

Keto or palaeontology or carnivore diet is not fashion diet fad. They are base on studies of how the human body works. But so many of the modern food is not natural and that cause our body to react badly to it. For me, I bear witness to how much improve it has for me. To say it is for everyone, NO. You will need to tweak it a little as each person has a different refinement to it. Just like some have big cocks and other do not heheheh... I have fine tune my diet to suit me. I would love to go full 100% keto but that would mean spending easily twice as much. But I have seen a big jump in my health and energy level and some past problems are almost all gone. I don't push this on anyone but I would just say, give it a try. Do some research. Fasting is also beneficial.

 

 

For us modern day human... only if we prepare the food ourselves then ok. If we need to eat outside like food court or hawker, then it will be hard to almost impossible. Everywhere follows the food pyramid with the huge carbohydrates as base. 
 

[upshot]

1 hour ago, marcoc said:

 

For us modern day human... only if we prepare the food ourselves then ok. If we need to eat outside like food court or hawker, then it will be hard to almost impossible. Everywhere follows the food pyramid with the huge carbohydrates as base. 
 

I know what you mean man... it is hard when I eat out especially in the beginning and people would think me too fussy hehe.. I was counting calories and ingredient and how they are cooked and what ingredient is in it. Office staff who use to buy my meal when I am too busy to eat on site, now no longer need to buy my meal for me. Just tell them I will buy my own or just fast. Once I have got use to eating 16/8 fast/eat format, fasting is not hard. Makes it easier for me to work on crucial projects and never think of food at all. Something just snap together when I switch to keto.. seldom as hungry and also do not need to eat as much and still the energy level is pretty high.

 

I am still around the borderline ketosis range when I take a urine test to see how much I am in the ketosis range. Not as strong but even then, I saw a vast improvement in my well being. So that is good enough for me. I can only get better if I ate beef or lamb but I have never eaten them for more than 3 decades due to religious belief though I lost faith in that but out of respect for my mom I don't eat .. for now while she is around anyway. But if you do eat beef or lamb, that will help a lot more but again.. pricey to be eating that meat.

 

 

 

 

[marcoc]

9 hours ago, upshot said:

I know what you mean man... it is hard when I eat out especially in the beginning and people would think me too fussy hehe.. I was counting calories and ingredient and how they are cooked and what ingredient is in it. Office staff who use to buy my meal when I am too busy to eat on site, now no longer need to buy my meal for me. Just tell them I will buy my own or just fast. Once I have got use to eating 16/8 fast/eat format, fasting is not hard. Makes it easier for me to work on crucial projects and never think of food at all. Something just snap together when I switch to keto.. seldom as hungry and also do not need to eat as much and still the energy level is pretty high.

 

I am still around the borderline ketosis range when I take a urine test to see how much I am in the ketosis range. Not as strong but even then, I saw a vast improvement in my well being. So that is good enough for me. I can only get better if I ate beef or lamb but I have never eaten them for more than 3 decades due to religious belief though I lost faith in that but out of respect for my mom I don't eat .. for now while she is around anyway. But if you do eat beef or lamb, that will help a lot more but again.. pricey to be eating that meat.

 

 

 

 

Keto need a lot of fat not actually a lot of protein. Pork belly shabu shabu works well there is more fats then protein. I got to said really hard to find high fats food without carbs in food court or hawker. That make keto hard. Even for meat ball in chai fan stall, they will put more flour to increase profit. You know now for fish soup, they put rock sugar into the soup? !!! I ask a lot of stall, do you all put rock sugar into the soup, they reply yes and I skip the stall... Now a lot of food court and hawker, thing with soup, they add rock sugar to make it sweet. A lot of people actually drinking sugar soup without them knowing. The stall also carry the HPB healthy logo for selling “healthy” food !

[yoyo74]

14 hours ago, Why? said:

 

Keto is not the same as vegetarian. It involved mental and hard work to recalibrate your entire view about food.  Which means, all tasty scrumptuous meal you once had, has to be tossed out of the kitchem  You have to observe Carb, Sugar, non-GMO, Glycmic index, unprocessed food, scrutinise every word on the can labels and many combinations of other factors mentioned including fasting and type of exercising.  You also need some amount of lean meat intake, to build your healthy fat.  It was like playing a Buzz Wire game.  Once you take a bite of potatoe chip, friied food or a small sip of coke, "PEEP!!" you hit the wire and return to the starting point.  Not easy, better stick to your salad bowl and seasoned it with all tasty ingredients which may not be keto friendly.   Are you scare yet?

Keto diet is a different category from a vegetarian diet but your talking about fasting is also another type of different category and so does different types of exercise which is also another set of different category. Your mixing of 3 different category of keto diet, fasting and different types of exercising is practically to achieve the most leanest type of body fat which only a few can succeed and even if they succeed, it might only be temporary unless they dont want to enjoy life forever.

 

Vegetarians also same as Keto diet need to involve a great mental discipline and hard work as well. Those very lean vegan body builder just remove meat base protein and replace it with plant base protein. In the end they still gets the lean results they want by mixing 2 category of Keto and vegetarian diet. Anyone can mix and match any category they want as long as they do their research about the foods they eat and get the desire results they want. This is called flexible.

 

The words you saying all leads to the most leanest type of body and it is very hard to sustain for most people. Lets say the words you talking about is 100% Keto diet mix with other category of fasting and exercising to be the most lean. But what i am talking about is pulling down the bar to maybe 80% or 90% Keto to make it more sustainable for most people. Add a little bit of sugar or carbs but make sure it is extremely low amount etc. Let us compare those who follow 80% to 90% Keto diet against those who never follow the Keto diet which is at 0%. I am sure you know those who follow at least 80% to 90% Keto diet will be much leaner and had a better body than those obese people at 0% Keto diet. To conclude, pulling down the bar a little is more sustainable, get the slimmer results they want and people wont be scare of this diet.

[yoyo74]

15 hours ago, Guest Keto said:

When I tried to include beef in my diet, I go for western food to order for sirloin steak at AMK stall. I almost cannot finish eating. The last few bites like forcing down my throat. That surfeited feeling makes me sick of ever trying to try steak again. 

Dont force yourself to eat if you already full. Your body will know its enough and starts to reject food by feeling full 

[upshot]

11 hours ago, marcoc said:

Keto need a lot of fat not actually a lot of protein. Pork belly shabu shabu works well there is more fats then protein. I got to said really hard to find high fats food without carbs in food court or hawker. That make keto hard. Even for meat ball in chai fan stall, they will put more flour to increase profit. You know now for fish soup, they put rock sugar into the soup? !!! I ask a lot of stall, do you all put rock sugar into the soup, they reply yes and I skip the stall... Now a lot of food court and hawker, thing with soup, they add rock sugar to make it sweet. A lot of people actually drinking sugar soup without them knowing. The stall also carry the HPB healthy logo for selling “healthy” food !

heh that is why each time I go to a hawker centre or any mall food court or restaurant. it takes me longer to figure what to eat compare to eating .. But over time I learn to narrow my choice and compromise. I hate pork belly.. anything to do with fat turns me off. I take  more meat for the protein, fat and also as part of my carbo intake. For fat I take more from egg which is a good fat/protein provider. As I said it is not easy for me as I do not eat beef, lamb or mutton...etc so my listing is higher but over time learn to tweak what I eat to stay as close to keto as I can. Oh ya.. I love my avocados, chicken/pork gizzards which i love, full fat butter, coconut oil, and almond nuts...etc. I try to find my fat in other forms when I eat at home.

 

When I am outside, first stall I find is bak kut teh if I can heheh.. don't drink too much of the soup. Also certain nutrients you have to take more like salt, k2, potassium, magnesium..etc. We each have different body makeup so sometime to follow strictly one diet might not be good. You have to tweak it a little to see what really would work for you. People into power sports that need lots of energy have to adjust their diet accordingly, someone who want to keep muscle mass or build muscle you have to eat ALOT more meat protein in order to build more muscle fibre and mass. So no matter what, you have to do the homework, research at long length information and talks on the subjects and it's related ones and do some home trial. As with all things , I subject myself to all that to get know what works for me.

[marcoc]

21 hours ago, upshot said:

heh that is why each time I go to a hawker centre or any mall food court or restaurant. it takes me longer to figure what to eat compare to eating .. But over time I learn to narrow my choice and compromise. I hate pork belly.. anything to do with fat turns me off. I take  more meat for the protein, fat and also as part of my carbo intake. For fat I take more from egg which is a good fat/protein provider. As I said it is not easy for me as I do not eat beef, lamb or mutton...etc so my listing is higher but over time learn to tweak what I eat to stay as close to keto as I can. Oh ya.. I love my avocados, chicken/pork gizzards which i love, full fat butter, coconut oil, and almond nuts...etc. I try to find my fat in other forms when I eat at home.

 

When I am outside, first stall I find is bak kut teh if I can heheh.. don't drink too much of the soup. Also certain nutrients you have to take more like salt, k2, potassium, magnesium..etc. We each have different body makeup so sometime to follow strictly one diet might not be good. You have to tweak it a little to see what really would work for you. People into power sports that need lots of energy have to adjust their diet accordingly, someone who want to keep muscle mass or build muscle you have to eat ALOT more meat protein in order to build more muscle fibre and mass. So no matter what, you have to do the homework, research at long length information and talks on the subjects and it's related ones and do some home trial. As with all things , I subject myself to all that to get know what works for me.

If eat too much protein, then need to eat more fats to maintain the keto ratio?

[upshot]

35 minutes ago, marcoc said:

If eat too much protein, then need to eat more fats to maintain the keto ratio?

Actually I am now leaning borderline to carnivore diet. Which some who does Keto would do so for performance of sports and muscle growth. FATS can be found in a good deal of meat depending on which portion you eat. Met is not all protein, there are fats and carbs in it too though way lower. For me as a diabetic it does raise my blood sugar a lot slower than say I eat the same weight in rice or noodle or bread. Also FAT food does not spike sugar in the blood. It has no effect when you take a blood test which is good news for diabetics.

 

The issue here is that WE TEND TO OVERESTIMATE what we need as daily intake for energy. It might surprise people to know how little you need to eat to power your day. Its the over eating and eating the wrong thing that makes one obese or fill with baby fat. An average size avocado eaten whole is actually more than enough for a day of energy. A lot of the nutrients we need are also found in them. Eating more than one is not advisable. Not that it is bad for you but diminishing returns from the benefit.  In fact some say just half an avocado already do you a lot of good. But that is BASE on an average human in modern day going thru an average active life. But if you get more active, that is where you have to add more energy supplying food. So I tweak that a little more by having more protein meat, up the carb a bit more and I supplement with protein shake... which is where at times I whack in a few raw eggs. And I am done.

 

If you are an active person you have to adjust your KETO DIET to reflect that or you will feel weaker at the sport. Keto DOES effect people who are doing more activities for sure. You can find a few KETO bodybuilder on youtube talking about this.

 

Now do NOTE...  you can not get the same result I am at in the first 2 to 4 weeks. Your body has to learn to slowly move from a pure petrol engine to one that is more a hybrid or a pure diesel engine. So for that period or so, a lot of tweaking and slow guild up to it. And once you do, having more food with fats, proteins.. you suddenly do not feel the hungry pangs as often. Your brain suddenly switch over. Its the sugar and starchy food that is triggering you to eat more and more.. and that "fullness' alert is disabled. You actually have enough energy but your brain tells you to eat more as it trigger your pleasure inducing part of your brain when the food taste so good.

 

Fasting is seen as almost a part of KETO and it triggers some very good quality for your body. It gives you time to let the body get rid of bad tissues and other organic parts of you. It promotes and force your body to enter a state where it looks at your body fatty tissues as food to convert to energy. That is how you get rid of fats in your body if you did not know. heheh.. Your body DO NOT FIRST look to your body fat for energy. It first and always look to the food in your stomach. Anything excessive not triggered for energy will now be converted into FATS to add to your body. And we tend to convert a lot if we keep eating the way we follow that food pyramid.

 

 

 

 

[Chris Low]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ketogains/wiki/index if you want to read about keto, do it here. its the most accurate non bro science scientific approach.

 

 

[marcoc]

21 hours ago, upshot said:

Actually I am now leaning borderline to carnivore diet. Which some who does Keto would do so for performance of sports and muscle growth. FATS can be found in a good deal of meat depending on which portion you eat. Met is not all protein, there are fats and carbs in it too though way lower. For me as a diabetic it does raise my blood sugar a lot slower than say I eat the same weight in rice or noodle or bread. Also FAT food does not spike sugar in the blood. It has no effect when you take a blood test which is good news for diabetics.

 

The issue here is that WE TEND TO OVERESTIMATE what we need as daily intake for energy. It might surprise people to know how little you need to eat to power your day. Its the over eating and eating the wrong thing that makes one obese or fill with baby fat. An average size avocado eaten whole is actually more than enough for a day of energy. A lot of the nutrients we need are also found in them. Eating more than one is not advisable. Not that it is bad for you but diminishing returns from the benefit.  In fact some say just half an avocado already do you a lot of good. But that is BASE on an average human in modern day going thru an average active life. But if you get more active, that is where you have to add more energy supplying food. So I tweak that a little more by having more protein meat, up the carb a bit more and I supplement with protein shake... which is where at times I whack in a few raw eggs. And I am done.

 

If you are an active person you have to adjust your KETO DIET to reflect that or you will feel weaker at the sport. Keto DOES effect people who are doing more activities for sure. You can find a few KETO bodybuilder on youtube talking about this.

 

Now do NOTE...  you can not get the same result I am at in the first 2 to 4 weeks. Your body has to learn to slowly move from a pure petrol engine to one that is more a hybrid or a pure diesel engine. So for that period or so, a lot of tweaking and slow guild up to it. And once you do, having more food with fats, proteins.. you suddenly do not feel the hungry pangs as often. Your brain suddenly switch over. Its the sugar and starchy food that is triggering you to eat more and more.. and that "fullness' alert is disabled. You actually have enough energy but your brain tells you to eat more as it trigger your pleasure inducing part of your brain when the food taste so good.

 

Fasting is seen as almost a part of KETO and it triggers some very good quality for your body. It gives you time to let the body get rid of bad tissues and other organic parts of you. It promotes and force your body to enter a state where it looks at your body fatty tissues as food to convert to energy. That is how you get rid of fats in your body if you did not know. heheh.. Your body DO NOT FIRST look to your body fat for energy. It first and always look to the food in your stomach. Anything excessive not triggered for energy will now be converted into FATS to add to your body. And we tend to convert a lot if we keep eating the way we follow that food pyramid.

 

 

 

 

You mention before you use urine test for ketone. You get the test strip in SG?

[upshot]

2 hours ago, marcoc said:

You mention before you use urine test for ketone. You get the test strip in SG?

Buy online - Brand: Just Fitter Ketone Strips.

 

https://www.justfitter.com/pages/ketone-test-strips-100-25-free-strips

Edited November 16, 2020 by upshot

[firereaver]

Instead of keto, why not intermittent fasting? Try 12:12 starting out then increase to 16:8, 18:6, 20:4 until one meal a day.

[upshot]

2 hours ago, firereaver said:

Instead of keto, why not intermittent fasting? Try 12:12 starting out then increase to 16:8, 18:6, 20:4 until one meal a day.

Its no use if you eat all the kinds of food without a care of education.

 

I want to clear this point that when I mention the benefit of fasting.. THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS CONNOTATION to it. In fact fasting is very much a part of all live on earth from day one. We are all living a very pampered life where food is 24/7 in abundance.. .our body evolution has not changed so drastic to adapt to those changes and some are not natural and nature does not know who to handle those man-made chemical food invention. Human like animals in the wild do not use to eat a fix type of food but there are still all natural be it vegetation or meat from other wild animals they hunt. There are days if they are not successful to find prey to hunt and eat, they go without food (fasting) and the body adjust to that and will look within itself for subtenants to live. This system has kept us all alive till today. When we upset that balancing act, we start to experience illness and other condition due to it.

 

As much as we can land people on the moon, there are still a lot of scientific findings that are not all there yet, influence by politics and greed of corporation to sell you their 'food'. Just because you do not know it exist, does not mean nothing's happening.
 

So goes for KETO too.. there are many bias findings intermix with other type.. so is vegan and any other type including in RELIGIOUS.. what you can eat or not eat. People get a way with that because most of us are too lazy to go find the answer but just see a person flash a doctor card to you and you take it for granted and usually nothing happens to you. That is the problem till you take control and find your answer as I do. That is how politicians gets you, they know you are too busy to dig deep. In any case I digress....

 

Just know being too loyal to one personality or doctor telling you what to eat, what brand to buy or not and how often you need to eat. If you treasure your health like I do among other things. Do the research and use your common sense to figure how much to believe or not. There are many so call experts out there telling you this and that to eat, but they are back by some companies to do so. Once you understand the basic of your body and how your digestive system function, you will be hard to lie to.

 

Just like in anal sex, where no one dildo will work for you individually, for some reason, a certain diet works for person A but not on person B or person C...and so forth. I find myself like that too overtime when I tweak my KETO to fit my physical needs, well-being living with diabetes and also with my wallet. There is no one size fit all solution.

 

You can not do ONE PART and fuck up all the other related component and hope to find the answer. Keep that in mind....

 

Fasting or Timing the frequency of your food intake.

What food to eat and/or avoid and what quantity to consume.

Supplements where you lack the nutrient due to certain diet that prohibit you from attaining those nutrients or lack of it.

Physical Fitness - No need for strenuous type but even to get your heart rate higher than normal.

Countering stressful lifestyles or work.

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by upshot

[upshot]

Big Fat Nutrition Policy | Nina Teicholz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQAHITIUhg

 

[marcoc]

14 hours ago, upshot said:

Buy online - Brand: Just Fitter Ketone Strips.

 

https://www.justfitter.com/pages/ketone-test-strips-100-25-free-strips

I see... I’m using the Ketone breath analyser. 

https://shop.getkeyto.com/products/keyto-breath-sensor?_ga=2.88003994.38905006.1605575464-1128424641.1570539052&_gac=1.216845986.1605575464.EAIaIQobChMIzYqR1bKI7QIVGxwrCh0Stg0vEAAYASAAEgIZhvD_BwE

[marcoc]

12 hours ago, firereaver said:

Instead of keto, why not intermittent fasting? Try 12:12 starting out then increase to 16:8, 18:6, 20:4 until one meal a day.

WoW ! One meal a day !!! What time you have that one meal?

[upshot]

7 hours ago, marcoc said:

I see... I’m using the Ketone breath analyser. 

https://shop.getkeyto.com/products/keyto-breath-sensor?_ga=2.88003994.38905006.1605575464-1128424641.1570539052&_gac=1.216845986.1605575464.EAIaIQobChMIzYqR1bKI7QIVGxwrCh0Stg0vEAAYASAAEgIZhvD_BwE

Ya I know of that but choose not to get that. I am not intending to stay as much in the ketosis range as possible. It not likely to happen unless I change a lot more of my diet. I am doing what they would call dirty Keto heh.... Which makes more practical sense even for me and my diabetes plus I want to be less sedated unless you are fragile and much older and move little about or have active sports like me.

 

I know an old guy in his late 60s who is a one meal person eating only in the morning. Healthy but not someone who is into anything too strenuous. Not that it has to do with his one meal a day but he eats little, has a very skinny frame with almost little muscle... given he eats little meat. He could do better to do eat more, but he chose not to. Oh well what works for him lah heheh  though I feel he ask others including girls to help him at the office with anything too heavy like a box of A4 papers.

 

Will I try to keep to a totally Keto diet? No. I have already seen a vast improvement over time from just giving up eating sugar based food items as much as possible and stick to artificial sugar. I dropped or hardly eat much breads, buns, cakes, potatoes, sweet potatoes, peanuts, rice, noodles, pasta, wheat base food items, starchy vegetables especially root base, fruits, fruit juice. If I do, I already know which one contain more carbohydrates or sugar...etc. I change the helping to depending on what I will be doing that day or night. Your body also will start to act more like what it was during the hunter/gatherer period and make better use of what you ate. So over time in a few months I ate a lot less while playing the same sport or strenuous activities. I had people half my age doing the same activities or sport needed to eat soon  or stop to get some food before continuing over the hours doing it.

 

Once you wire that in your head it is not that hard to take yourself off certain food items .. as pretty a food photo advertising can entice me heh. Certain food has a way of triggering you to eat more than you want or get hungry before you even need to consume more. The less sweet food is, the faster you tend to fill less hungry.

 

Once you understand how bad some foods are and what illness they can give you eating them longer term and not likely REVERSE when it finally hits you.

 

 

[PerkinsMark09]

On 11/17/2020 at 2:56 AM, upshot said:

Ya I know of that but choose not to get that. I am not intending to stay as much in the ketosis range as possible. It not likely to happen unless I change a lot more of my diet. I am doing what they would call dirty Keto heh.... Which makes more practical sense even for me and my diabetes plus I want to be less sedated unless you are fragile and much older and move little about or have active sports like me.

 

I know an old guy in his late 60s who is a one meal person eating only in the morning. Healthy but not someone who is into anything too strenuous. Not that it has to do with his one meal a day but he eats little, has a very skinny frame with almost little muscle... given he eats little meat. He could do better to do eat more, but he chose not to. Oh well what works for him lah heheh  though I feel he ask others including girls to help him at the office with anything too heavy like a box of A4 papers.

 

Will I try to keep to a totally Keto diet? No. I have already seen a vast improvement over time from just giving up eating sugar based food items as much as possible and stick to artificial sugar. I dropped or hardly eat much breads, buns, cakes, potatoes, sweet potatoes, peanuts, rice, noodles, pasta, wheat base food items, starchy vegetables especially root base, fruits, fruit juice and coffee. If I do, I already know which one contain more carbohydrates or sugar...etc. I change the helping to depending on what I will be doing that day or night. Your body also will start to act more like what it was during the hunter/gatherer period and make better use of what you ate. So over time in a few months I ate a lot less while playing the same sport or strenuous activities. I had people half my age doing the same activities or sport needed to eat soon  or stop to get some food before continuing over the hours doing it.

 

Once you wire that in your head it is not that hard to take yourself off certain food items .. as pretty a food photo advertising can entice me heh. Certain food has a way of triggering you to eat more than you want or get hungry before you even need to consume more. The less sweet food is, the faster you tend to fill less hungry.

 

Once you understand how bad some foods are and what illness they can give you eating them longer term and not likely REVERSE when it finally hits you.

 

 

I think it is really hard to stick to any diet. Balanced nutrition is a good idea for me. I just try to listen to my organism and not to eat to much sugar.

[upshot]

2 hours ago, PerkinsMark09 said:

I think it is really hard to stick to any diet. Balanced nutrition is a good idea for me. I just try to listen to my organism and not to eat to much sugar.

Start slow. Learn all about Keto or whatever diets you have in mind and plan out how you will go about. Changing diet is also about change your habitual nature. That is something hard to change if you are not 100% convince mentally. Keto do not mean you need to be always in ketosis. Depending on your health, age, biological makeup and existing medical precondition, it will affect to make you more or less suited to take on Keto Diet for example. I guess the same can be said for other forms of dietary regiments. One works better for you over another, no matter how you try. We are all not cut out of the same genetic cookie-cutter mould so you are right in that you need to listen to your body, but you also will need to know good biology in order in to understand if you are listening correctly to your body. heh.

Also to note, for us in Asia trying to go 100% Keto the way you Keto Experts tells you is not easy on your WALLET too. Trying to always pay for those premium priced 'organic', 'free ranch meat', 'hydroponically grown' ...ie. healthy food items are usually high-priced PLUS top off with an additional 'luxury' markup can for sure chaff your financial budget quite if you are on a limited salary. That is the commercial curse for anything labelled 'natural, correctly processed and healthy'.

 

You do not need to be in ketosis all the time as the goal. It is a lot easier if you know exactly what your goal is you are trying to attain. Over the years, I have come to see there are experts who use Keto as something to do for a certain period in a year. Some do it all year round. For some they change i somewhat in order to accommodate a sportier lifestyle for example. For me I am now doing sometimes you can call 'Dirtty Keto'. I am not trying to keep ketosis all day. So my portions differ and also depending on the activities I am going to do for the say. So I have to listen to my body like you and over time have worked out what percentage of Fat, Protein and Carb I will eat. And also what form of food I eat that is natural or processed..etc. But the main aim for me as a diabetic is to cut sugar as low as I can per day, not eat many of the carb type stuff..etc. For me it is a little more challenging as I do not eat beef, lamb or mutton. So even if I can afford more luxury meat, those options are out for me. Keto works best if you actually eat those meats than just chicken, fish and pork. So I have to compromise on the type of foods available to me. So far so as I sometime push toward a low-carb or even a carnivore diet on certain days. The thing is, I know what I am trying to achieve with my diet and health.