Lonely Death Discussion - Kodokushi (孤独的死亡) (compiled)

[cmlf]

Dying alone in the world's most populous city

 Hiroshi HIYAMA,AFP News Thu, 30 Nov 12:05 PM SGT 

 

"Kodokushi" or "dying alone" is a growing trend in ageing Japan

The stench of flesh rotting on a sultry day fills the air as cleaner Hidemitsu Ohshima steps into a tiny Tokyo apartment where a dead man lay decomposing for three weeks.

The man, believed to be in his 50s, died alone in a city he shared with tens of millions of other people but no one noticed, making him the latest victim of "Kodokushi" or "dying alone" -- a growing trend in ageing Japan.

Decked out in a white protective suit complete with rubber gloves, Ohshima lifts up a futon mattress soaked with the dead man's bodily fluids, only to uncover a writhing mass of maggots and black bugs.

"Ugh, this is serious," he says. "You wear protective suits to defend yourself from bugs that may or may not be carrying diseases."

Kodokushi is a growing problem in Japan, where 27.7 percent of the population is aged over 65 and many people are giving up trying to find partners in middle age, opting instead for a solitary existence.

Experts say a combination of uniquely Japanese cultural, social and demographic factors have compounded the problem.

- Lonely death -

There are no official figures for the number of people dying alone who stay unnoticed for days and weeks but most experts estimate it at 30,000 per year.

Yoshinori Ishimi, who runs the Anshin Net service that cleans up afterwards, believes the true figure is "twice or three times that."

Modern Japan has experienced sweeping cultural and economic changes in recent decades but demographers say the country's social safety net has failed to keep pace -- with the burden still on the family to look after the elderly.

"In Japan, family has long served as the strong foundation of social support of all kinds," said Katsuhiko Fujimori, a well-known expert on welfare issues.

"But now things are changing with the rise of single people and the size of the family becoming smaller," added Fujimori, chief research associate at Mizuho Information and Research Institute.

In the past three decades, Japan has seen the share of single-occupant households more than double to 14.5 percent of the total population, the rise driven mainly by men in their 50s and women in their 80s and older.

Marriage rates are also dropping, with experts saying many men fear their job is too precarious to settle down and start a family and more women entering the workforce and no longer needing a husband to provide for them.

One in four 50-year-old Japanese men has never been married. By 2030, the figure is estimated to rise to one in three.

- Isolation -

The problem is exacerbated by a deep-rooted Japanese cultural tendency to turn to family rather than neighbours in times of trouble.

In a bid to be polite, elderly Japanese people fear to disturb their neighbours even to ask for help in the most trifling matters, resulting in a lack of interaction and isolation, expert Fujimori said.

Some 15 percent of elderly Japanese people living alone report having only one conversation a week, compared to five percent of their peers in Sweden, six percent in the US and eight percent in Germany, according to a Japanese government study.

And families increasingly live away or do not have the resources to help elderly relatives in tough economic times.

Fujimori advocates raising taxes to provide better social care for the elderly and financial assistance for childcare, freeing up working-age adults to return to the workforce.

"If family can no longer play the roles it has been playing, society must build a framework that responds to that need," said Fujimori.

"If nothing is done, we'll see more solitary deaths," he added.

- No pictures, no letters -

Aside from the anguish for relatives when they realise their loved-one has lain undiscovered for days, there is a practical element as these cases tend to cause apartment prices to plunge.

Cleaning firm boss Ishimi says Japan needs to educate young people about the issue and the lack of dignity suffered by the isolated elderly.

"How does one wish to die? Society as a whole must think about this," he said.

Meanwhile, back at the Tokyo apartment, Ohshima and his team keep the windows closed to prevent the noxious stench from spreading through the densely populated neighbourhood.

The room is filled with signs of the frugal, clean living of a music and movie lover who kept a vast collection of CDs and DVDs but not much else. No pictures. No letters.

Most items are thrown out but Ohshima and his two colleagues methodically go through the man's belongings for valuables in case his family eventually comes forward and wishes to see whatever he left behind.

"Police are looking for his relatives," said Ohshima.

"But no luck so far."

[Guest cockeroo]

Many of them probably let behind their expensive assets or bloated bank balances.   That is life.  Work so hard, save so much and still have to leave all those behind.

[passinthenight]

I'm just hoping this dear man died in his sleep and felt no pain.

Going and not knowing would be stress free.

 

 

[AlphaOne]

Decomposed body found in Marine Parade flat

 

 

SINGAPORE: The body of a 65-year-old man was found in his flat at Block 30, Marine Crescent on Tuesday (Jan 9).

Channel NewsAsia understands that police found the decomposed body inside the flat at about 9pm.

Next-door neighbour Mr Ng, who had not seen the deceased for about a week, realised something was amiss on Monday night and raised the alarm.

          Mr Ng said the man had been living in the unit for at least 10 years. (Photo: Aqil Haziq Mahmud)

 

"It was Monday, just past midnight," said Mr Ng on Wednesday, adding that his neighbour lived alone with a dog. "I was coming back. The dog barked at me as usual, but I never thought of anything."

 

The next morning, the 60-year-old retiree decided to give his neighbour a call as they had not seen each other for a week or so. 

"That was the first time that I reached the voicemail," he added. "He was a guy who would call me back, no matter how."

When Mr Ng called again in the afternoon, he got voicemail again. "I was thinking, something is really wrong," he said. When he tried knocking on the door, the dog barked at him again.

 

That was unusual, Mr Ng said. His neighbour would always be with his dog in his room with the air-conditioning on, he said, so it was impossible that the pet would be out in the living room for so long.

 

It was then that Mr Ng decided to call the man's sister. Family members called the police, who gained access to the house with the help of a locksmith, he said.

 

"They didn’t want to damage anything in case he was hospitalised or went somewhere without informing anybody," Mr Ng said. "But the first thing they saw was him lying on the floor near the door."

 

The man's gate was padlocked. 

UNDERSTANDING, HELPFUL ANIMAL LOVER

Mr Ng said he had hoped that nothing bad had happened to his neighbour. "(I thought) maybe he went on a holiday," he added.

Mr Ng also wondered why his neighbour did not knock on his door if he was feeling unwell.

"Once in a while, if he had problems, he also knocked on my door," Mr Ng said. "Why not this time?"

 

Potted plants outside the man's home had withered
 

"This kind of thing should not happen," added Mr Ng, who said he understood his neighbour used to work as a chief steward with Singapore Airlines. 

 

"He was still young. He just retired half a year ago."

 

Mr Ng said they were good friends and would even share leftover meals.

"You see, he’s really understanding," he told Channel NewsAsia. "He likes to help people. If you're not sure about anything, he will explain it to you."

 

Mr Ng also described his neighbour as a "great" animal lover who would feed every stray cat in the neighbourhood for "breakfast, lunch and dinner", he said.

"If he was still alive, he’d still be feeding them," Mr Ng added.

 

Channel NewsAsia has contacted the police for more details.

Source: CNA/hz

 
 

Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/decomposed-body-found-in-marine-parade-flat-9848990

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cutejack]

So sad. But he died without any suffer of sickness and not burden to anyone. That's life.

RIP. 

[Ben Ben Ben]

11 minutes ago, cutejack said:

So sad. But he died without any suffer of sickness and not burden to anyone. That's life.

RIP. 

死了一了百了

[Guest Lonely]

Will this be the fate of many of us here?

Lonely in old age and alone in death.

[Ironrod]

40 minutes ago, Guest Lonely said:

Will this be the fate of many of us here?

Lonely in old age and alone in death.

 

no most of us will die in a hospice and some may die of freak accident. Only rare few die without notice

Edited January 11, 2018 by Ironrod

[danvin]

Guest Citizen

Your death is determined by karma. Both previous and present.

[Guest Juz me]

I always though that there may be a possibility that the soul may linger for Long period of time. It may not immediately go away as there might not be any soul collector. The soul might need to gather other soul to find a soul collector which I heard from a medium. 

[Guest Decor]

Look like a 3-room flat, the simple decor outside his own flat look quite cute.  Sad that he died "young" but than that is also a painless way to go, guarded by his dog.

 

Moral of the story:  ENJOY life while you can.

[cutejack]

65 single. Young ar?

[fab]

23 minutes ago, cutejack said:

65 single. Young ar?

 

Young compared to 93.

 

3 hours ago, Guest Decor said:

Look like a 3-room flat, the simple decor outside his own flat look quite cute.  Sad that he died "young" but than that is also a painless way to go, guarded by his dog.

 

Moral of the story:  ENJOY life while you can.

 

How do u know he died a painless way? 

 

Anyway he left sq around y2k during the golden handshake when the mgt took the opportunity to get rid of all the tyranny seniors.  

 

Nevertheless it's a very sad thing( a curse) in Chinese cutlure. ..to die alone..the body left to decompose and become smelly. 

[Guest Nirvana]

6 hours ago, Guest Decor said:

Look like a 3-room flat, the simple decor outside his own flat look quite cute.  Sad that he died "young" but than that is also a painless way to go, guarded by his dog.

 

Moral of the story:  ENJOY life while you can.

There is no such thing as die painlessly. 

[cutejack]

4 hours ago, fab said:

 

Young compared to 93.

 

 

How do u know he died a painless way? 

 

Anyway he left sq around y2k during the golden handshake when the mgt took the opportunity to get rid of all the tyranny seniors.  

 

Nevertheless it's a very sad thing( a curse) in Chinese cutlure. ..to die alone..the body left to decompose and become smelly. 

Lesson to all of us lor.

Be good to everyone n dont be too choosy when looking for companionship. N be sincere n faithful during partnership to secure our relationship. So yeah.

[Guest No leh]

6 hours ago, fab said:

Nevertheless it's a very sad thing( a curse) in Chinese cutlure. ..to die alone.

No leh, he got a dog next to him when he passed. So he was not alone.

[MTR]

5 minutes ago, Guest No leh said:

No leh, he got a dog next to him when he passed. So he was not alone.

True..

[passinthenight]

So sad for this fella, he only had a few months to enjoy retirement before passing away.

[Guest Workaholic]

28 minutes ago, passinthenight said:

So sad for this fella, he only had a few months to enjoy retirement before passing away.

At 65,  he probably just started the first payout from the govt through his CPF but, alas the govt thought he could live until 90yo and so withheld his CPF  withdrawal limit from 55yo to 65yo.  What will happen to all his money and his flat?  Nobody knows, and probably landed in the hands HJ for her to spend like no tomorrow.

[passinthenight]

10 hours ago, Guest Workaholic said:

At 65,  he probably just started the first payout from the govt through his CPF but, alas the govt thought he could live until 90yo and so withheld his CPF  withdrawal limit from 55yo to 65yo.  What will happen to all his money and his flat?  Nobody knows, and probably landed in the hands HJ for her to spend like no tomorrow.

 

 Accordng to the article above, he has a sister and other family members.....so they will probably get whatever assets he has.

[Guest Yah]

12 minutes ago, passinthenight said:

 

 Accordng to the article above, he has a sister and other family members.....so they will probably get whatever assets he has.

Ya, but who has the right to possess and sell his flat since it is a single-ownership and he is no longer around? Who will buy?

[passinthenight]

8 minutes ago, Guest Yah said:

Ya, but who has the right to possess and sell his flat since it is a single-ownership and he is no longer around? Who will buy?

 

If he made a will, all should be granted as per his wishes or if not the "Next of kin".

[Guest A-cub]

But the law also stated to make a will too! And for some cases an attorney of certification to make it more assured. 

[GachiMuchi]

Thousands of people are dying home alone in Japan, rotting for weeks before they’re found

‘Kodokushi’ or ‘dying alone’ is a growing trend in ageing Japan

 

Agence France-Presse

Published: 12:47pm, 30 Nov, 2017

 

 

A mattress soaked with bodily fluids of a woman who died alone and left for about two weeks, in her flat in Yokohama. Photo: AFP

The stench of flesh rotting on a sultry day fills the air as cleaner Hidemitsu Ohshima steps into a tiny Tokyo flat where a dead man lay decomposing for three weeks.

The man, believed to be in his 50s, died alone in a city he shared with tens of millions of other people but no one noticed, making him the latest victim of “Kodokushi” or “dying alone” – a growing trend in ageing Japan.

Decked out in a white protective suit complete with rubber gloves, Ohshima lifts up a futon mattress soaked with the dead man’s bodily fluids, only to uncover a writhing mass of maggots and black bugs.

“Ugh, this is serious,” he says. “You wear protective suits to defend yourself from bugs that may or may not be carrying diseases.”

 

 

Kodokushi is a growing problem in Japan, where 27.7 per cent of the population is aged over 65 and many people are giving up trying to find partners in middle age, opting instead for a solitary existence.

 

Experts say a combination of uniquely Japanese cultural, social and demographic factors have compounded the problem.

There are no official figures for the number of people dying alone who stay unnoticed for days and weeks but most experts estimate it at 30,000 per year.

A worker for special cleaning moves packed tatamis from the flat of a man who died alone and left decomposing for three weeks, in Tokyo. Photo: AFP

Yoshinori Ishimi, who runs the Anshin Net service that cleans up afterwards, believes the true figure is “twice or three times that”.

 

Modern Japan has experienced sweeping cultural and economic changes in recent decades but demographers say the country’s social safety net has failed to keep pace – with the burden still on the family to look after the elderly.

 

“In Japan, family has long served as the strong foundation of social support of all kinds,” said Katsuhiko Fujimori, a well-known expert on welfare issues.

The belongings of a man who died alone and left decomposing for three weeks in his flat in Tokyo. Photo: AFP

“But now things are changing with the rise of single people and the size of the family becoming smaller,” added Fujimori, chief research associate at Mizuho Information and Research Institute.

 

In the past three decades, Japan has seen the share of single-occupant households more than double to 14.5 per cent of the total population, the rise driven mainly by men in their 50s and women in their 80s and older.

Marriage rates are also dropping, with experts saying many men fear their job is too precarious to settle down and start a family and more women entering the workforce and no longer needing a husband to provide for them.

One in four 50-year-old Japanese men has never been married. By 2030, the figure is estimated to rise to one in three.

Workers for special cleaning company collect belongings of a man who died alone and left decomposing for three weeks, in his flat in Tokyo. Photo: AFP

The problem is exacerbated by a deep-rooted Japanese cultural tendency to turn to family rather than neighbours in times of trouble.

In a bid to be polite, elderly Japanese people fear to disturb their neighbours even to ask for help in the most trifling matters, resulting in a lack of interaction and isolation, expert Fujimori said.

Some 15 per cent of elderly Japanese people living alone report having only one conversation a week, compared to five per cent of their peers in Sweden, 6 per cent in the US and 8 per cent in Germany, according to a Japanese government study.

And families increasingly live away or do not have the resources to help elderly relatives in tough economic times.

A worker for special cleaning, wearing a protective suit, enters the flat of a man who died alone and left decomposing for three weeks, in Tokyo. Photo: AFP

Fujimori advocates raising taxes to provide better social care for the elderly and financial help for childcare, freeing up working-age adults to return to the workforce.

“If family can no longer play the roles it has been playing, society must build a framework that responds to that need,” said Fujimori. “If nothing is done, we’ll see more solitary deaths.”

Aside from the anguish for relatives when they realise their loved-one has lain undiscovered for days, there is a practical element as these cases tend to cause flat prices to plunge.

Cleaning firm boss Ishimi says Japan needs to educate young people about the issue and the lack of dignity suffered by the isolated elderly.

Movies and music that belonged to a man who died alone and left decomposing for three weeks, in his flat in Tokyo. Photo: AFP

“How does one wish to die? Society as a whole must think about this,” he said.

Meanwhile, back at the Tokyo flat, Ohshima and his team keep the windows closed to prevent the noxious stench from spreading through the densely populated neighbourhood.

The room is filled with signs of the frugal, clean living of a music and movie lover who kept a vast collection of CDs and DVDs but not much else. No pictures. No letters.

Most items are thrown out but Ohshima and his two colleagues methodically go through the man’s belongings for valuables in case his family eventually comes forward and wishes to see whatever he left behind.

“Police are looking for his relatives,” Ohshima says. “But no luck so far.”

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: growing trend in ageing japan: a solitary death

 

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by GachiMuchi

[wilfgene]

Time again for promoting good old traditional asian value. 

[repressednerd]

I remember talking to a few Japanese colleagues about this. Their answer in general was, "Yeah things happen but it can't be helped, can it?"

[Marslang]

I will also ended up like them, die alone in my 2-rooms bto at punggol when I old.

[mith]

well, if anyone had lived a full happy life, diying alone, or with the whole village kneeling by your bedside when you die, is of no significant to me! still die. i dont believe in the afterlife, so die means the end. no need people around. the body is but just the physical body and the physical things u left behind... dead already makes no difference.

[Steve5380]

I am probably closer than most guys here to my end of life.  And I am now living alone, although my sister may come soon to live with me.

To die alone like these Japanese I don't see more tragic than any other death. 

I don't see death as some social event,  and even if a large family is around one,  the experience must be personal.

My concern for such death is not for me, but for my family. 

I don't care if I die alone, but I feel for what my son would go through, 

aside from all his work of getting settled all the things that I leave behind.

 

Having to die is shit!  Nature (or whichever God) should have devised a more noble way of passing away  

 

[fly360]

The Gov came up with SafeEntry using SingPass. Perhaps they should also come up with a SafeAlive using SingPass. Check in everyday to say I am still alive. If I don't check in, a call back is automatically triggered, and if no response to the call-back, emergency services will be activated.

[cutejack]

4 hours ago, Marslang said:

I will also ended up like them, die alone in my 2-rooms bto at punggol when I old.

Don't say that. Come come we take care each. Im very near to u. 

[Marslang]

8 minutes ago, cutejack said:

Don't say that. Come come we take care each. Im very near to u. 

Havent move to punggol yet. Still building, maybe end of this year or next year.

[cutejack]

1 minute ago, Marslang said:

Havent move to punggol yet. Still building, maybe end of this year or next year.

Ok. 

[Guest guest]

Not only in japan, it also happening in singapore. Many old people who stay alone die in house without anyone know.

[Guest Guest]

9 hours ago, mith said:

well, if anyone had lived a full happy life, diying alone, or with the whole village kneeling by your bedside when you die, is of no significant to me! still die. i dont believe in the afterlife, so die means the end. no need people around. the body is but just the physical body and the physical things u left behind... dead already makes no difference.

 

You think everyone dies when they are peacefully asleep? You might just be spending days paralyzed in your bed, wide awake but unable to call for help. You might be thirsty and hungry and you might be wetting yourself and dirtying yourself during those last few days. And if you are unlucky enough, it might be weeks before you die, not of your illness, but because of starvation and thirst. And during all those times, you can do nothing but try to sleep and reminisce on how your life had been and what have you done to get to that stage there, all the while battling the pain in your dry throat and hunger pangs, and that is not even considering if you might have other illnesses which may be causing you further discomfort. In the meantime, flies might have been attracted to your unwashed body and so they might be buzzing around your ears, accompanied by cockroaches crawling up your face, and maybe even your toes bitten by a couple of rats. So, yeah, dead already makes no difference. It's the time that you are neither dead nor alive that should worry you. 

[Custard]

I think everyone should go out to mixed around and hope to gather more friends to enjoy the old age together. Joys and happiness do not come to us. We have to go out to look for it. Do volunteer work etc. to keep our mind and body active instead of staying at home to look at the four walls. 

[Steve5380]

The Eskimos have a better system than the Japanese.

The elder go out and wander through the tundra to be eaten by the polar bears,

which in turn are killed by the people, who must eat them to survive.

 

It must be strange to eat a piece of bear breast and speculate how much of that meat is one's deceased grandma.

[mith]

10 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

You think everyone dies when they are peacefully asleep? You might just be spending days paralyzed in your bed, wide awake but unable to call for help. You might be thirsty and hungry and you might be wetting yourself and dirtying yourself during those last few days. And if you are unlucky enough, it might be weeks before you die, not of your illness, but because of starvation and thirst. And during all those times, you can do nothing but try to sleep and reminisce on how your life had been and what have you done to get to that stage there, all the while battling the pain in your dry throat and hunger pangs, and that is not even considering if you might have other illnesses which may be causing you further discomfort. In the meantime, flies might have been attracted to your unwashed body and so they might be buzzing around your ears, accompanied by cockroaches crawling up your face, and maybe even your toes bitten by a couple of rats. So, yeah, dead already makes no difference. It's the time that you are neither dead nor alive that should worry you. 

 

yes im very aware of such situations...

so instead of writing out the entire situation in such gory details, why didnt you continue on... tell us what did you do, or are doing now to see that such situation wont happen. 

 

go on, help us out. you wrote the situation so vividly, do you have a solution?

did u get married to some girl? hoping she'll take care of you when the mentioned happen?

did you have or adopt children? hoping they'll take care of you when the mentioned happen?

did you check yourself in a nursing home? so the staff will take care of you when the mentioned happen?

did you have a lover? hoping he'll take care of you when the mentioned happen?

did you make friend with the neighbours? hoping they'll take care of you when the mentioned happen? this is really a long shot!

did you have reliable close friends? and are sure they'll take care of you when the mentioned happen?

did you have siblings? hoping they'll take care of you when the mentioned happen?

 

or you are against living alone, and you are still living with your parents? 

 

so please go on, tell us your solution!

 

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by mith

[practease]

It's important for people like us to keep a close knit of friends and be active within that social circle. When it comes to friends, it's the quality of the people you are with that is important and not the quantity. Be with people who are genuine and enjoys being in one another's companionship. Dying alone is sad enough, dying alone without friends is much worse.

Edited June 29, 2020 by practease

[cutejack]

But many in spore even in our community has this attitude where dont like being approached. Always practise after fun or meet in public, we dont know each other policies. Many guys ,when i smile at them or approach them, they behave as if i go after their money n wealth, in fact they themselves get up every morning to work too. So ,how to have frens? Or have others to approach u when in the first meeting itself, u r so sensitive n unfriendly? For eg, this guy who I've only texted him regarding his massage. So,one day a fren of mine looking for a room to rent n when i asked him abt it since he is staying in east area which is nearer to my friend's workplace, that massuer replied me ,dont text me regarding others than my bizz. Im pissed off. It sounds very rude to me. 

Sad to die alone? Some ppl deserve this.

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by cutejack

[practease]

23 hours ago, cutejack said:

But many in spore even in our community has this attitude where dont like being approached. Always practise after fun or meet in public, we dont know each other policies. Many guys ,when i smile at them or approach them, they behave as if i go after their money n wealth, in fact they themselves get up every morning to work too. So ,how to have frens? Or have others to approach u when in the first meeting itself, u r so sensitive n unfriendly? For eg, this guy who I've only texted him regarding his massage. So,one day a fren of mine looking for a room to rent n when i asked him abt it since he is staying in east area which is nearer to my friend's workplace, that massuer replied me ,dont text me regarding others than my bizz. Im pissed off. It sounds very rude to me. 

Sad to die alone? Some ppl deserve this.

 

 

That either means that you are mixing with the wrong company, or you are too unique an individual to belong. Just remember the rule of thumb, you need people as much as they need you, hence, all human relationships requires a level of compromise. If either party is too controlling or demanding and refuses to find a middle ground every time, there's not really much of a genuine human relationship there to begin with. So, be more empathetic, be more approachable, be less judgemental and presumptuous. Make good friends if not great. 

[cutejack]

1 hour ago, practease said:

 

That either means that you are mixing with the wrong company, or you are too unique an individual to belong. Just remember the rule of thumb, you need people as much as they need you, hence, all human relationships requires a level of compromise. If either party is too controlling or demanding and refuses to find a middle ground every time, there's not really much of a genuine human relationship there to begin with. So, be more empathetic, be more approachable, be less judgemental and presumptuous. Make good friends if not great. 

Think u got it wrong. I mean being simple friends here. Or a normal human being here. Not talking abt relationship. 

No no. U cant even be a good human n approachable then u want to die surrounded by a town. 

The culture now in spore with those overnight rich people, so getting close or knowing someone is like a crime. I know there are some group who behaves in such a way to make others disappointed. But not all. Small group of ppl who do that. That doesnt mean u have to behave awkwardly till others dont even bother abt u n come here n worry abt dying alone? Haha

[practease]

22 minutes ago, cutejack said:

Think u got it wrong. I mean being simple friends here. Or a normal human being here. Not talking abt relationship. 

No no. U cant even be a good human n approachable then u want to die surrounded by a town. 

The culture now in spore with those overnight rich people, so getting close or knowing someone is like a crime. I know there are some group who behaves in such a way to make others disappointed. But not all. Small group of ppl who do that. That doesnt mean u have to behave awkwardly till others dont even bother abt u n come here n worry abt dying alone? Haha

There are many types of relationships. 

[Guest guest]

On 6/28/2020 at 3:42 PM, Marslang said:

Havent move to punggol yet. Still building, maybe end of this year or next year.

Ur bto in Northshore?

I booked 2rm bto too in Sengkang East Drive Rivervale shores. Just next to Punggol. Should be ready end 2021 or 2022.

We can look out for each other hehe.

[Guest guest]

On 6/29/2020 at 9:25 AM, practease said:

It's important for people like us to keep a close knit of friends and be active within that social circle. When it comes to friends, it's the quality of the people you are with that is important and not the quantity. Be with people who are genuine and enjoys being in one another's companionship. Dying alone is sad enough, dying alone without friends is much worse.

The older you get, the more difficult to find friends and maintain the close knit relationship.

[cutejack]

3 hours ago, Guest guest said:

Ur bto in Northshore?

I booked 2rm bto too in Sengkang East Drive Rivervale shores. Just next to Punggol. Should be ready end 2021 or 2022.

We can look out for each other hehe.

How to when u r not even a member here. Hilarious bro. If we continue with our selfish and "mind our bizz" attitude, dying alone will become normal here.

[Steve5380]

On 6/28/2020 at 8:25 PM, practease said:

 Dying alone is sad enough, dying alone without friends is much worse.

 

What you wrote seems to be as acceptable as motherhood. But none of us has a personal experience of what it is to die.

 

What about embarrassment?  We can be embarrassed of being seen naked, of being seen a loser, of being seen sick.

Is it possible that when the time comes we will be embarrassed to be laying in our dead bead with a bunch of people around seeing us die?

[practease]

7 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

What you wrote seems to be as acceptable as motherhood. But none of us has a personal experience of what it is to die.

 

What about embarrassment?  We can be embarrassed of being seen naked, of being seen a loser, of being seen sick.

Is it possible that when the time comes we will be embarrassed to be laying in our dead bead with a bunch of people around seeing us die?

Embarrassed in death surrounded by friends? To hold so much ego in death, this person would likely be haunting the ward for a long time to come. 

[Steve5380]

29 minutes ago, practease said:

Embarrassed in death surrounded by friends? To hold so much ego in death, this person would likely be haunting the ward for a long time to come. 

 

Why not?  It could be worse.  You can be disgusted that you are the one who has to die,  while the surrounding friends look so rosy and healthy 

[practease]

1 minute ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Why not?  It could be worse.  You can be disgusted that you are the one who has to die,  while the surrounding friends look so rosy and healthy 

 

I've got a lot of pity set aside for someone like that. 😬