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On 12/4/2021 at 10:56 PM, 7heaven said:


It has been proven that the vaccines developed were due to Operation Warp Speed implemented by Trump. 

 

Not true! Comirnaty was developed by Biontech in Germany without any funding from Operation Warp. 

 

 

The Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (INN: tozinameran), sold under the brand name Comirnaty,[2][4] is an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine developed by the German biotechnology company BioNTech and for its development collaborated with American company Pfizer, for support with clinical trials, logistics, and manufacturing.

 

Biontech Pfizer was the first vaccine and was developed and manufactured without any funding from Operation warp.

 

Evidence:

The BioNtech project to develop a novel mRNA technology for a COVID-19 vaccine was called "Project Lightspeed", which started in mid-January 2020 at BioNTech's laboratories in Mainz, Germany, just days after the SARS-Cov-2 genetic sequence was first made public.[52] In September 2020, BioNTech received €375 million (US$445 million) from the government of Germany to accelerate the development and production capacity of the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.

 

Germany funded the development of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine—not U.S.’s Operation Warp Speed

By Riley GriffinDrew Armstrong, and Bloomberg  November 10, 2020

 

 

Vice President Mike Pence was among Trump administration officials saying support from the government’s Operation Warp Speed program helped accelerate the development of the vaccine, which was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 infections in an interim analysis.

The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government.

 

BioNTech is credited for contributing the messenger RNA technology, which prompts the body to make a key protein from the virus, creating an immune response. The biotechnology company already had a history of working with Pfizer on influenza vaccines, and in March they clinched a deal to co-develop a shot to prevent against COVID-19 at research sites both in the U.S. and Germany. The two companies began human testing of the vaccine in April, before the existence of Operation Warp Speed was revealed publicly.
 


 

Moderna, was only approved 6 months after Pfizer/Biontech and went into a collaboration with Swiss Pharmaceutical company Lonza before it was manufactured. 

 

Fact Checker :

Only partially true as only Moderna's research was funded by Operation Warp. 

What was accelerated by Operation Warp was the manufacturing, but not so much the development. 

 

 

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On 12/5/2021 at 5:11 PM, singalion said:

 

Not true! Comirnaty was developed by Biontech in Germany without any funding from Operation Warp. 

 

 

The Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (INN: tozinameran), sold under the brand name Comirnaty,[2][4] is an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine developed by the German biotechnology company BioNTech and for its development collaborated with American company Pfizer, for support with clinical trials, logistics, and manufacturing.

 

Biontech Pfizer was the first vaccine and was developed and manufactured without any funding from Operation warp.

 

Evidence:

The BioNtech project to develop a novel mRNA technology for a COVID-19 vaccine was called "Project Lightspeed", which started in mid-January 2020 at BioNTech's laboratories in Mainz, Germany, just days after the SARS-Cov-2 genetic sequence was first made public.[52] In September 2020, BioNTech received €375 million (US$445 million) from the government of Germany to accelerate the development and production capacity of the Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.

 

Germany funded the development of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine—not U.S.’s Operation Warp Speed

By Riley GriffinDrew Armstrong, and Bloomberg  November 10, 2020

 

 

Vice President Mike Pence was among Trump administration officials saying support from the government’s Operation Warp Speed program helped accelerate the development of the vaccine, which was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 infections in an interim analysis.

The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government.

 

BioNTech is credited for contributing the messenger RNA technology, which prompts the body to make a key protein from the virus, creating an immune response. The biotechnology company already had a history of working with Pfizer on influenza vaccines, and in March they clinched a deal to co-develop a shot to prevent against COVID-19 at research sites both in the U.S. and Germany. The two companies began human testing of the vaccine in April, before the existence of Operation Warp Speed was revealed publicly.
 


 

Moderna, was only approved 6 months after Pfizer/Biontech and went into a collaboration with Swiss Pharmaceutical company Lonza before it was manufactured. 

 

Fact Checker :

Only partially true as only Moderna's research was funded by Operation Warp. 

What was accelerated by Operation Warp was the manufacturing, but not so much the development. 

 

 


Not true. Operation Warp Speed implemented by Trump administration allowed the world to get the vaccines for covid19 in record time. Ironically despite having the vaccines, more people died under Joe Biden administration. 

Fact Check: 

Pfizer and others like Johnson and Johnson, Moderna and AstraZeneca benefited from Operation Warp Speed. 
 

Pfizer did not reply when The Spectator asked why it is now distancing itself from the partnership. The pharmaceutical giant did issue a statement clarifying that it is in fact ‘one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed’.

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On 12/4/2021 at 10:56 PM, 7heaven said:

It has been proven that the vaccines developed were due to Operation Warp Speed implemented by Trump.

 

You wrote "developed". We are talking about yhe development of the vaccine. 

 

You are a pathological liar. 

 

Omitting the relevant parts of the twitter tweet you posted makes it obvious!

 

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Pfizer's head of vaccine development had told NYT it wasn't part of Warp Speed because it didn't take research $

Germany funded the development of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine—not U.S.’s Operation Warp Speed

By Riley GriffinDrew Armstrong, and Bloomberg  November 10, 2020
 

The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government.

 

BioNTech is credited for contributing the messenger RNA technology, which prompts the body to make a key protein from the virus, creating an immune response. The biotechnology company already had a history of working with Pfizer on influenza vaccines, and in March they clinched a deal to co-develop a shot to prevent against COVID-19 at research sites both in the U.S. and Germany. The two companies began human testing of the vaccine in April, before the existence of Operation Warp Speed was revealed publicly.
 

 

=> Comirnaty =Pfizer/Biontech was not developped with funds from Operation Warp. 

 

Please read properly. The twitter from this that you qioted says nothing else. 

Look up what part Operation Warp played a part but not for the development

 

=> Operation Warp did not play any part in the development of the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine. 

 

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On 12/5/2021 at 9:06 PM, singalion said:

 

You wrote "developed". We are talking about yhe development of the vaccine. 

 

You are a pathological liar. 

 

Omitting the relevant parts of the twitter tweet you posted makes it obvious!

 

Quote:

Pfizer's head of vaccine development had told NYT it wasn't part of Warp Speed because it didn't take research $

Germany funded the development of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine—not U.S.’s Operation Warp Speed

By Riley GriffinDrew Armstrong, and Bloomberg  November 10, 2020
 

The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government.

 

BioNTech is credited for contributing the messenger RNA technology, which prompts the body to make a key protein from the virus, creating an immune response. The biotechnology company already had a history of working with Pfizer on influenza vaccines, and in March they clinched a deal to co-develop a shot to prevent against COVID-19 at research sites both in the U.S. and Germany. The two companies began human testing of the vaccine in April, before the existence of Operation Warp Speed was revealed publicly.
 

 

=> Comirnaty =Pfizer/Biontech was not developped with funds from Operation Warp. 

 

Please read properly. The twitter from this that you qioted says nothing else. 

Look up what part Operation Warp played a part but not for the development

 

=> Operation Warp did not play any part in the development of the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine. 

 


You are just grabbing at straws. My original post stated that Trump implemented Operation Warp Speed that developed vaccines in record time. 
 

Then as usual, u distracted the conversation and narrowly focused only on specific Pfizer vaccine nip-picking on words here and there and then further diverted the entire argument just to find an opportunity to call people liar. Lol.
 

It is well recognised that Operation Warp Speed under Trump helped the world. Ironically once the vaccines were made available to Biden, he fumbled badly that resulted in more deaths this year than when the US did not have the vaccines. With the covid19 variants, why isn’t Biden implementing any initiative to produce newer vaccines? 

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On 12/5/2021 at 10:14 PM, 7heaven said:

You are just grabbing at straws. My original post stated that Trump implemented Operation Warp Speed that developed vaccines in record time. 
 

Then as usual, u distracted the conversation and narrowly focused only on specific Pfizer vaccine nip-picking on words here and there and then further diverted the entire argument just to find an opportunity to call people liar. Lol.

 

 

On 12/4/2021 at 10:56 PM, 7heaven said:

It has been proven that the vaccines developed were due to Operation Warp Speed implemented by Trump.

 

But you are a blatant liar because your intitial post was posting an untruth and unjustified glorification of Trump.

 

Isn't posting an untruth posting a lie?

 

Pfizer/ Biontech vaccine was not developed due to Operation Warp. 

 

To safe your face now you even start misrepresenting your own posts and lie on your own posted content. 

 

Take a look what you posted. 

 

I posted it here for everyone at BW to see for themselves...

and to draw the necessary conclusions on your personality...

 

 

 

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On 12/5/2021 at 9:06 AM, singalion said:

You are a pathological liar. Omitting the relevant parts of the twitter tweet you posted makes it obvious!

 

Of course @7heaven is a pathological liar, he supports the Republican Party, which is one of the greatest threats to the longterm future of the human race.

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On 12/5/2021 at 11:30 PM, singalion said:

 

 

 

But you are a blatant liar because your intitial post was posting an untruth and unjustified glorification of Trump.

 

Isn't posting an untruth posting a lie?

 

Pfizer/ Biontech vaccine was not developed due to Operation Warp. 

 

To safe your face now you even start misrepresenting your own posts and lie on your own posted content. 

 

Take a look what you posted. 

 

I posted it here for everyone at BW to see for themselves...

and to draw the necessary conclusions on your personality...

 

 

 


There was no lie in my initial post because there was no mention about any specific vaccine.
 

It was you who as usual added your own misinterpretation that my post specifically talked about Pfizer. This is so that you fit your agenda to call people a liar. 
 

On 12/4/2021 at 10:56 PM, 7heaven said:

It has been proven that the vaccines developed were due to Operation Warp Speed implemented by Trump.


Take a look at my initial post where I did it mention specifically about Pfizer. I post it here to readers to judge for themselves it was you who misinterpreted people’s post and put words into other peoples post just so that u can call someone a liar. Lol. 
 

In any case, the world saw how Trump showed incredible leadership in implementing Operation Warp Speed to produce covid19 vaccines in record time. With Biden, he has not shown leadership in implementing anything to develop new vaccines to treat the variants of covid19. 
 

In Nov2021, Biden’s job numbers of 210k fell way short of analyst’s expectations of 500k. This is despite Biden having spent 1.9trillion and 1trillion dollars. 

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On 12/6/2021 at 12:01 AM, 7heaven said:

There was no lie in my initial post because there was no mention about any specific vaccine.
It was you who as usual added your own misinterpretation that my post specifically talked about Pfizer. This is so that you fit your agenda to call people a liar. Take a look at my initial post where I did it mention specifically about Pfizer. I post it here to readers to judge for themselves it was you who misinterpreted people’s post and put words into other peoples post just so that u can call someone a liar. Lol. 
 

 

 

This response is really a joke.

7heaven making a mockery out of this thread and 7heaven you are making yourself to a clown 🤡 on BW once again! 

 

Not only that you blatantly post lies, when you are caught red handed, then you come up with all different really childish and silly excuses and turn around every syllable of your own post to unsuccessfully grab any rescue net.

But your face is red 🥵 like a tomato already.

 

On 12/4/2021 at 10:56 PM, 7heaven said:

It has been proven that the vaccines developed were due to Operation Warp Speed implemented by Trump.

 

What vaccines were talking about to be developed?

Were you talking about the CureVac vaccine that never made it through the trial phase???

 

If you talk about the development of vaccines and Operation Warp then you should be talking about the most relevant vaccines and those that were pre-purchased prior to the market release under the previous US administration.

 

Now you want to claim you weren't talking about the vaccines that were developed due to Operation Warp?

 

For what did you then claim on Operation Warp?

 

Face saving measure 1:

 

On 12/5/2021 at 10:14 PM, 7heaven said:

You are just grabbing at straws. My original post stated that Trump implemented Operation Warp Speed that developed vaccines in record time. Then as usual, u distracted the conversation and narrowly focused only on specific Pfizer vaccine nip-picking on words here and there and then further diverted the entire argument just to find an opportunity to call people liar. Lol.

 

Face saving measure attempt 2 and first attempt in trying to escape from the self embarrassment:

 

On 12/6/2021 at 12:01 AM, 7heaven said:

There was no lie in my initial post because there was no mention about any specific vaccine.
It was you who as usual added your own misinterpretation that my post specifically talked about Pfizer. This is so that you fit your agenda to call people a liar. Take a look at my initial post where I did it mention specifically about Pfizer. I post it here to readers to judge for themselves it was you who misinterpreted people’s post and put words into other peoples post just so that u can call someone a liar. Lol. 
 

 

What vaccines were talking about to be developed in your initial post?

Measles vaccines???

 

The market sales for mRNA vaccines are $9.5bn in sales for Pfizer/BioNTech and $3.5bn for Moderna. 

What vaccines were relevantly developed in 2020???

 

Sure there was a lie contained in your initial post!

 

You claimed falsely that through Operation Warp vaccines were developed. But this was not true when 2/3 of the relevant vaccines were not developed with Operation Warp.

 

And why did you come up with the below post mentioning different vaccines and still claiming on Pfizer?

On 12/5/2021 at 6:03 PM, 7heaven said:

Fact Check: 

Pfizer and others like Johnson and Johnson, Moderna and AstraZeneca benefited from Operation Warp Speed. 
Pfizer did not reply when The Spectator asked why it is now distancing itself from the partnership. The pharmaceutical giant did issue a statement clarifying that it is in fact ‘one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed’.

 

This was also an attempt to mislead people in drawing the conclusion Pfizer/Biontech was a part of the development under Operation Warp, while in fact it was not.

 

And you hid the most crucial information on the same twitter which says:

"Pfizer did not accept BARDA* funding (=Operation Warp) for the research and development process" in your quote."

 

"While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept BARDA [Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority] funding for the research and development process," the statement continued.

 

This just demonstrates even further how malicious you act here at BW to misrepresent and mislead the BW readers.

 

 

* BARDA = Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA)

No, Pfizer’s apparent vaccine success is not a function of Trump’s ‘Operation Warp Speed’

November 9, 2020

 

So when news broke early Monday that Pfizer’s vaccine had yielded a better-than-90-percent success rate, a first step toward approval and rollout, members of the administration were quick to claim credit.

Others specifically touted the success of Operation Warp Speed in making the vaccine happen.

But it didn’t.

But its development efforts weren’t part of the government’s program. “Pfizer, unlike its competitors, did not join Operation Warp Speed, the government initiative designed to erase the financial risk of vaccine and therapeutics development by providing funding to companies and helping coordinate the trials,” The Washington Post’s Carolyn Y. Johnson reported Monday. “Instead, Pfizer plowed $2 billion of its own money into the project

“We were never part of the Warp Speed,” Pfizer vice president Kathrin Jansen told the New York Times. “We have never taken any money from the U.S. government, or from anyone.” [Biontech did from the German government].

 

 

We at BW can assume that the credibility of 7heaven is already in the negative.

 

 

If you had any discussion ethics  or general manners, you had just admitted that your post was not even partially true. (and the chapter had already been closed for good)

But no, you decided to go on and continue posting your untruths while you had already been caught red handed.

 

 

 

 

 

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The best of the whole story is:

 

On 12/4/2021 at 10:56 PM, 7heaven said:

It has been proven that the vaccines developed were due to Operation Warp Speed implemented by Trump.

 

 

With all his follow up posts, 7heaven managed by his own action to demolish his claim on Operation Warp and Trump!

 

In that sense 7heaven blew up himself.

 

He is a "Proud Boy" by now...

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 12:01 AM, 7heaven said:

 

 

 

Let’s look at how many jobs have been created in 2021, starting in February, the first full month of Biden’s presidency, using data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics:

  • February: 536,000 new jobs

  • March: 785,000

  • April: 269,000

  • May: 614,000

  • June: 962,000

  • July: 1.1 million

  • August: 235,000

  • September: 194,000

  • October: 531,000

  • November: 210,000

 

 

That all adds up to about 5.5 million net new jobs added since Biden was sworn in. 

And that number is higher than any other president since the end of World War II, said Sophia Koropeckyj, managing director for Moody’s Analytics.

 

Here’s a breakdown of job growth (or loss) for the first seven months for those presidents, with the year their terms began: 

 

Joe Biden, 2021: gain of 4,454,000

Donald Trump, 2017: 1,312,000

George H.W. Bush, 1989: 959,000

George W. Bush, 2001: - 670,000

Jimmy Carter, 1977: 2,385,000

Bill Clinton, 1993: 1,412,000

 

 

Didn't you say somewhere, numbers don't lie???

 

 

 

 

 

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It is undisputed that Trump’s Operation Warp Speed allowed US and the world to obtain the vaccines in record speed. Obviously those suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome will never admit his success. 
 

With Biden having the vaccines, he has recorded more Covid deaths this year under him than last year without the vaccines. Biden is also not putting in much effort if at all any in developing new vaccines for the covid19 variants. This is despite having spent 1.9 trillion and 1 trillion dollars this year. This is no surprising he and Kamala Harris poll numbers are on free-fall. 

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On 12/6/2021 at 12:01 AM, 7heaven said:

 

 

If that twitter tweet wasn't a huge miss?

 

US Bureau of Labor Statistics:

 

Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 210,000 in November.

 

Thus far this year, monthly job growth has averaged 555,000.

 

 

Exclusive of the Covid year 2020, the montly job creation under Trump 2017 - 2019 (3 years)

was

189,000 jobs per month average (Trump), pre-Covid!)

 

This number is even lower than the job increase by Biden for November 2021!

 

Job Creation (- = job losses) under Trump from Oct 2020 to Jan 2021 :

  • October 2020: 264,000

  • November 2020: -306,000

  • December 2020: -140,000

  • January 2021: 49,000

 

The professional economists are not sure what to say and careful to craft any analysis on the US economy, also at the moment and fall short of giving predictions.

This week in Bidenomics: Up, down, all around

Sat, December 4, 2021

 

Employers retreated in November, hiring just 210,000 new workers. That’s less than half what economists expected, with big disappointments in the retail and hospitality industries. We’re back to the doldrums, with fresh COVID concerns suppressing economic activity.

 

But wait! The labor market and other parts of the economy are so hot that Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell just signaled a big change in monetary policy. For the first time during the pandemic, Powell said on Dec. 1 that a bout of inflation could necessitate monetary tightening, including interest rate hikes sooner than expected. The Fed would normally do that only if it felt the economy were strong enough to handle it.

 

But wait! The bond market isn’t buying it. Rates on securities such as the 10-year Treasury bill would normally rise on the expectation of higher interest rates. Instead, they fell after Powell’s prognostication, a sign bond traders think weakness will undermine future growth. 

 

But wait! The unemployment rate fell to 4.2%, the lowest level since before the pandemic. Labor force participation also improved, which means more people are finally rejoining the labor force after taking to the sidelines during the pandemic.

 

But … Well, you get the idea. Far more than usual, the latest economic developments are contradictory and dissonant. Some data suggest strength; other data, weakness. No single narrative makes sense. Politicians who want to ding the Biden economy have plenty of ammunition. So do Biden supporters eager to emphasize the extent of recovery. For normal people, uncertainty over higher prices, job opportunities and interest rates will probably linger at least until next spring.

 

Most uncertain of all is the direction of the new Omicron variant of the COVID virus. Concerns about higher transmissibility and Omicron’s ability to thwart vaccines have clearly unnerved financial markets. Since the first reports of the virus surfaced in South Africa around November 26, the S&P 500 (^GSPC) has sold off by about 3.5%. There’s been a sharper selloff in oil markets, with West Texas crude oil futures down 12.8%. Those are clear signs traders expect a softer global economy for the next couple months.

 

These developments, however, are strongly anti-inflationary. Rising energy costs have been one of the biggest drivers of overall inflation, now running 6.2% on an annual basis. If oil prices stay where they are or fall further, gasoline prices, currently averaging $3.40 per gallon, could fall to $3 or lower. Winter heating costs could drift lower, too. Inflation, suddenly, wouldn’t seem so pronounced.

 

Markets dislike this kind of uncertainty. So do consumers. The economy is steadily improving, yet confidence has been plunging since the summer, largely due to disruptions caused by the Delta variant, after many Americans thought COVID would be in the rear-view mirror. The Omicron variant and new restrictions on travel and commerce will probably push consumer confidence lower still heading into the holidays.

 

President Biden would prefer a simpler, more upbeat story, as well. For now, he has to acknowledge concerns about inflation, Omicron, and labor-market stress, while also talking up improvements in the economy during his presidency. If he sounds too gloomy, he’ll contribute to voter malaise. If he sounds too Panglossian, he’ll lose credibility.

Nobody’s sure when the economy will start to feel normal again, or if COVID will ever end. What seems sure, however, is more surprises are probably coming.

 

 

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 6:22 PM, 7heaven said:

With Biden having the vaccines, he has recorded more Covid deaths this year under him than last year without the vaccines. Biden is also not putting in much effort if at all any in developing new vaccines for the covid19 variants.

 

More unsubstantiated slogans...

 

The only thing here is that you do shout slogans without placing any substantiation or evidence.

 

It is always the same.

 

You just add to your self embarrassment here if you go on like this.

 

 

Joe Biden's first 100 days: COVID vaccination rate a heroic ...

USA Today: 29 Apr 2021 — Vaccination is the way out of this pandemic. President Joe Biden's leadership is laudable,

 

Surprising Fact 

All 18 states that surpassed Biden’s goal voted for him in the 2020 election: Vermont, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New Mexico, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Maryland, California, Washington, New Hampshire, New York, Illinois, Virginia, Delaware and Minnesota. A reflection of the political divide of the vaccine rollout, the states with the lowest inoculation rates are overwhelmingly red, with just three not won by former President Donald Trump in the last election.

 

How the US went from having one of the worst Covid responses to being a global leader in vaccinations under Biden

By Ashley Semler, CNN Updated 2148 GMT (0548 HKT) April 26, 2021

Washington (CNN)For the last 100 days, President Joe Biden and his top advisers have mounted an urgent, wartime effort to get millions of coronavirus vaccines into the arms of Americans in order to beat back a pandemic that has upended the world for the better part of year.

The effort, described to CNN during in-depth interviews with three of the administration's top Covid advisers and two other White House officials, has allowed the US to go from having one of the worst Covid responses in the world to being a global leader in getting shots in arms.
 
The interviews reveal how the Biden team inherited a pandemic at its zenith with a high demand for vaccines and little supply, along with no long-term plan to vaccinate millions of Americans.
 

When Biden came into office, the country was experiencing about 3,000 deaths and hundreds of thousands of new cases per day, only about 15 million people were vaccinated and there was a scarce supply of shots. To turn it around, Biden's team brought a fresh urgency and a desire to lean on the scientific experts who had been ignored so much in the previous year.

Biden touts vaccine success

06/18/21

President Biden on Friday marked a new milestone in the fight against the coronavirus — 300 million coronavirus vaccine doses administered during his first 150 days in office.

 

And take a look who created the mess again:

Unsurprisingly, Trump’s rollout of the COVID vaccine is an utter fiasco

DEC. 30, 2020

It is up to the States to distribute the vaccines once brought to the designated areas by the Federal Government.

PRESIDENT TRUMP

Considering that it will be three weeks since then this weekend, that’s obviously not going to happen. So the White House moved the goalposts, promising that 20 million doses would be distributed by the end of the year. Then it revised its pledge to 20 million doses by the first week of January. Either way, the prospect of meeting that self-imposed mark is dim.

What happened to 100 million vaccination doses by the end of the year? Operation Warp Speed is being wasted as thousands are dying daily in America.

USA TODAY 4 Jan 2021

In business, it's better to underpromise and overdeliver. But when it comes to getting Americans inoculated with COVID-19 vaccines, the Trump administration appears to be doing the opposite.

Last year, President Donald Trump and Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar promised 100 million doses by the end of 2020. As late as Dec. 13, Azar expressed confidence that at least 20 million people would be vaccinated by Jan. 1. "Oh sure, yes," he told "Face the Nation."

By year's end, however, more than 14 million doses of new Pfizer and Moderna vaccines had been delivered to states and over 3 million people had received the first of two shots. (Total shots as of Monday evening stood at nearly 4.6 million, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.)

Trump dumps on states

The president, as usual, blamed everyone else. If vaccinations were late, he tweeted, it was the fault of resource-strapped states. Dumping the vaccines on the states has had the same results as leaving masking decisions, testing, contact tracing and other responsibilities to the 50 governors: Some do a good job, some not so much, and the country ends up with a patchwork response to a national crisis.

There is no time to lose. This is a national emergency. Deaths have surpassed 350,000. Between 2,000 and 3,000 Americans are dying as a result of COVID-19 every day and, after a holiday season filled with parties and family gatherings, those numbers will almost certainly increase in the weeks ahead.

Trump, consumed with fantasies of overturning the election results, seems incapable of improving his leadership in this crisis.

 

Trump fails to deliver on his promise of 300 million vaccines in 2020

White House falls short of the president’s calls for hundreds of millions of vaccine doses before the New Year
Independent Chris Riotta New York Sunday 06 December 2020

 

President Donald Trump will reportedly fall far shorter than the “several hundred million” doses of Covid-19 vaccines he suggested would be made available to the American public before the New Year from the White House.

 

In a seemingly premature celebratory event in the Rose Garden in May, the administration touted its Operation Warp Speed, created in response to the pandemic as part of an effort to ramp up vaccine production and build a pathway to immediate nationwide distribution.

 

However, the leading vaccine that appears set for first approval — created by Pfizer — requires two shots spaced out over 21 days. That means if the US sees 40 million doses of the vaccine in 2020, only 20 million people would be able to receive the two-shot treatment.

But it’s far from the predictions Mr Trump and his vaccine czar made earlier in the year. The president has promoted misleading information about the pandemic from the very first days of the outbreak in the US while politicizing the acts of wearing a face mask and following social distancing guidelines by mocking his then-opponent, President-elect Joe Biden, for wearing masks.

 

Who was more busy on his personal goal to overthrow an Elected President instead of getting his ass on the act to role out the vaccination program?

 

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 6:22 PM, 7heaven said:

With Biden having the vaccines, he has recorded more Covid deaths this year under him than last year without the vaccines. Biden is also not putting in much effort if at all any in developing new vaccines for the covid19 variants.

 

The problem with the RNC blaming Biden for the ongoing Covid crisis

Among the serious problems with the RNC blaming Biden for the ongoing public health crisis is the unhealthy set of incentives the party is creating.
 
Nov. 30, 2021, 9:45 PM +08 By Steve Benen
 

For much of the year, Republicans were content to blame President Joe Biden for his efforts to end the Covid-19 pandemic. The more the White House took steps to save lives, the more GOP voices complained that those efforts were at odds with Republicans' philosophical beliefs about "freedom."

 

But very recently, the GOP's rhetoric shifted. It was no longer enough to whine that Biden was doing too much to end the public health crisis; it became time to blame Biden for the fact that the public health crisis he inherited isn't yet over.

 

Indeed, it's been amazing to watch the usual suspects embrace the same talking point at roughly the same time. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy recently complained on the House floor, "I took President Biden at his word; I took him at his word when he said he was going to get Covid under control." Within a week, the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal and Fox News personalities were pushing a similar line.

 

Given the sudden ubiquity of the talking point, it's hard not to wonder whether some Republican pollsters found a focus group or two that found this persuasive. Indeed, I can appreciate why the argument may even have a child-like appeal to those who have no meaningful understanding of current events: Biden's principal focus has been on ending the pandemic; the pandemic isn't over; ergo, the right is justified in blaming Biden.

 

The problem, of course, is that reality shreds the argument as indefensible.

 

At this point, we could talk at length about how effective the Biden administration's vaccine rollout has been. Or we could explain that ending a crisis of this magnitude takes more time than any of us would like. Or we could discuss how much better things might've been if the president's immediate predecessor hadn't failed so spectacularly in dealing with the pandemic in a responsible way.

Or we could explore the degree to which Republicans themselves have hampered Biden's efforts, making this entire line of attack hopelessly bizarre.

 

But even putting all of these relevant angles aside, among the serious problems with the RNC's nonsense is the set of incentives it creates: The Republican Party is telling its base, in no uncertain terms, that if they want to hand Biden a political defeat, they have the power to do so.

 

All rank-and-file Republicans have to do is act in the most irresponsible ways possible — don't get vaccinated, don't get booster shots, don't wear masks, etc. — which will extend the Covid crisis, and in turn, make it easier to blame Biden for not "shutting down the coronavirus."

 

Imagine how much better off we'd be if the Republican National Committee made an aggressive effort to encourage GOP voters to protect themselves and their communities from Covid-19, instead of pretending the White House is responsible for the ongoing crisis.

 

 

 

 

 
 
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Republicans hamper Biden’s attempts to fight the pandemic — and then hammer him for its persistence

November 29, 2021 '

 

 

But the biggest gap of all is political: 90 percent of Democrats are vaccinated vs. only 61 percent of Republicans. Fourteen of the 15 states with the lowest percentages of fully vaccinated residents have Republican governors. Even masking is controversial in red states. In Miami last week, an immunocompromised Lyft driver was startled and grateful to see me wearing a mask — unlike so many of his passengers.

 

The result is that Republican areas have been hit harder by the pandemic in the past year than the blue states in the Northeast where it first struck. A study of county-level data finds that “new cases are now running 2.78x higher per capita in the reddest tenth of the country than the bluest tenth.”

 
 

Why would so many Republicans decide they need not get vaccinated? Because that is the message they are getting from their tribal elders. Fox News Channel, in particular, has become “covidiocy” central. It pumps out nonstop disinformation against vaccines even while enforcing a strict vaccine mandate of its own. (Employees must submit proof of vaccination or a daily negative coronavirus test to enter Fox’s offices.)

 

Fox News and its Republican allies politicize every twist and turn of the covid saga. On Saturday, for example, the hosts of “Fox & Friends” reacted to news of omicron as if it were a Democratic hoax to justify “more lockdowns.” Pete Hegseth said, “You can count on a variant about every October, every two years,” suggesting that Democrats were inventing omicron for electoral advantage.

 

Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-Tex.) — the former White House physician, if you can believe it — joined in the conspiracy mongering a few hours later. He tweeted: “Here comes the MEV — the Midterm Election Variant! They NEED a reason to push unsolicited nationwide mail-in ballots.” Kari Lake, a GOP candidate for governor of Arizona, chimed in: “They are going to try and sell us new ‘Variants’ for the rest of our lives if we don’t tell them to shove it.”

 
 

The rush to dismiss omicron as a hoax is demented and depressing on multiple levels. It suggests that Republicans have learned nothing from their unwillingness to take covid-19 seriously in 2020 because they thought it would hurt President Donald Trump’s reelection chances. But while Democrats benefited politically from Trump’s calamitous mishandling of the pandemic, its persistence, with its attendant supply chain woes and surging inflation, is now hurting President Biden. Thus, it is malevolent idiocy to suggest that Democrats are hyping the omicron variant for nefarious ends.

 

Indeed, at the same time that Republicans fight vaccine mandates and continue to play down the risk of covid-19, they also shamelessly attack Biden for not ending the pandemic. “I took President Biden . . . at his word when he said he was going to get covid under control,” said House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.). “Unfortunately, more Americans have died this year than last year under covid.”

 

The Wall Street Journal editorial board sounded a similar note, complaining that “Mr. Biden had no plan to deal with the large numbers of vaccine holdouts.” If only Biden could do something about the Journal’s proprietors, who also control Fox! This is akin to an arsonist blaming the fire department of not doing a better job of fighting fires.

 

You would think that such a shameless ploy — hampering Biden’s attempts to fight the pandemic and then hammering him for its persistence — could not possibly work. But in the idiocracy that America has become, this shameless and disingenuous argument could actually resonate.

 

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Here’s How Republican-Led States Are Trying To Block Biden’s Employee Vaccine Mandates

 

Ten state attorneys general sued the Biden administration Friday over its Covid-19 vaccine mandate for federal contractors—one day after Florida did the same—part of a growing number of Republican state leaders who are trying to get around the federal government’s vaccine requirements for both public and private workers.

 

Key Facts

AGs in Missouri, Nebraska, Alaska, Arkansas, Iowa, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming sued President Joe Biden and other White House agencies and officials over the federal government’s Covid-19 vaccine requirement for all workers for employers that have federal contracts, one day after Florida filed a separate lawsuit also targeting the contractor mandate.

 

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis had previously called a special session of the state legislature for later this year to pass legislation banning vaccine mandates for private employers, and leaders in the state legislature have floated the possibility the state could pull out of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) in order to evade its vaccine-or-test requirement for large private employers.

 

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem signed an executive order Wednesday allowing any state employee not to comply with a vaccine mandate if they say they have a medical or religious exemption, and the governor said she would work with state lawmakers to pass legislation to extend similar protections to private sector employees.

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey enacted an order Monday that prohibits the state government from requiring vaccines for its employees and contractors, and stipulates no state official can impose a penalty on a business or individual because they didn’t comply with a Covid-19 vaccine mandate.

 

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed an executive order barring private employers from requiring employee vaccinations, though the governor’s effort to have the state legislature pass a bill codifying the vaccine mandate ban into law ultimately failed.

 

Arizona was the first state to sue the federal government over its mandate for employees, and DeSantis said Thursday it’s possible Florida could bring additional lawsuits over the mandates for private and federal employees.

Crucial Quote

“South Dakota is fighting back against President Biden’s illegal vaccine mandates,” Noem said in a statement Wednesday. “Our state has many contracts with the federal government, and President Biden is attempting to use those contracts to force state employees to be vaccinated against their will.”

Chief Critic

“Vaccine requirements work: they’re good for workers, good for the economy, and good for the country. The President has authority to promote efficiency in federal contracting in this way,” a spokesperson for the White House’s Office of Management and Budget told Forbes in a statement Friday, noting the “Department of Justice and Equal Employment Opportunity Commission have already determined that Covid vaccines can be mandated by employers.”

Tangent

While many states are taking steps to oppose mandates in direct response to the Biden administration, some had already taken action against vaccine requirements by the time the federal government announced its mandates in September. Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey signed an executive order in August that bars local governments from imposing Covid-19 vaccine mandates and says individuals can sue them if they do, for instance, and Montana became the first state to bar private employers from requiring the shots in May.

What We Don’t Know

How successful the GOP-led states’ efforts will actually be, including whether their lawsuits will succeed or if they can actually ban private employers from complying with the federal government’s vaccine mandate. Multiple major companies in Texas like American Airlines and Southwest have already said they would ignore the state’s vaccine mandate ban because the federal government’s requirements take precedence, and legal experts told the Pew Charitable Trust states have little recourse to oppose the federal government’s moves given its sovereignty over state policy. “If the federal law is valid, it’s the supreme law of the land—end of story,” University of Montana law professor Anthony Johnstone told Pew’s Stateline publication.

Key Background

President Joe Biden ordered in September that all federal government employees and contractors must get vaccinated—strengthening a previous requirement that allowed either vaccination or regular Covid-19 testing—and imposed a vaccine-or-test mandate for all employers with more than 100 workers through OSHA. Neither of those requirements has yet taken effect: Federal workers must be vaccinated by December 8, though the White House has said there’s some flexibility to that deadline, and the private employer mandate will take effect whenever a government review of OSHA’s rule is completed, though business groups have asked the Biden administration to wait to impose it until after the holidays. Vaccine mandates have become a significant controversy since governments and private companies started imposing them as a way to combat vaccine hesitancy, with critics claiming the measures are governmental overreach that violates people’s personal liberties. The measures are popular with a majority of Americans, however, with a September Gallup poll finding approximately 60% of respondents were in favor of both government mandates.

 

 

 

 

Isn't it then a bit hypocrite 7heaven to attack Biden on the continuing Covid 19 deaths, when in fact Republican Governors and politicians obstruct every effort by the Biden Administration to get more Americans vaccinated???

 

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 6:22 PM, 7heaven said:

This is no surprising he and Kamala Harris poll numbers are on free-fall. 

 

 

You are not up to date!

 

The national poll, conducted Nov. 17-18, found that 44% of U.S. adults approved of Biden’s performance in office.

 

Biden's poll numbers are going up again.

 

and just take a comparison:

 

At the same point in Donald Trump’s presidency, about 36% of Americans approved of his performance in office, while 59% disapproved.

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On 12/6/2021 at 7:54 PM, singalion said:

 

 

You are not up to date!

 

The national poll, conducted Nov. 17-18, found that 44% of U.S. adults approved of Biden’s performance in office.

 

Biden's poll numbers are going up again.

 

and just take a comparison:

 

At the same point in Donald Trump’s presidency, about 36% of Americans approved of his performance in office, while 59% disapproved.


If after having spent about 2.9trillion and 1.75trillion of tax payers money soon coming, and Biden still has falling poll numbers we don’t know what will save him. 
 

And Biden still has not apportioned any money to develop any vaccines for Covid19 variants. 

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On 12/6/2021 at 6:22 PM, 7heaven said:

This is despite having spent 1.9 trillion and 1 trillion dollars this year.

 

What a post demonstrating dumbness!

 

So, jobs are created already 1 to 10 days after infrastructure bills are voted in Congress???

 

In particular considering that the second infrastructure bill has a spending time frame of 10 years...

 

So jobs just fall from the sky the day after the President signed the bill???

 

Can you, 7heaven just once use your brain before posting such dumb slogans!

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 10:53 PM, 7heaven said:

Biden still has falling poll numbers

 

This is not correct, the approval ratings for Biden have improved in the last polls dating from 18 Nov up to 3 Dec 2021. He is in a range between 44 to 49%. 

 

The numbers are still 8 - 13 % higher than the meagre approval ratings of Trump in Nov/ Dec 2017!!!

 

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 6:22 PM, 7heaven said:

With Biden having the vaccines, he has recorded more Covid deaths this year under him than last year without the vaccines. Biden is also not putting in much effort if at all any in developing new vaccines for the covid19 variants. This is despite having spent 1.9 trillion and 1 trillion dollars this year. 

 

On 12/6/2021 at 10:53 PM, 7heaven said:

If after having spent about 2.9trillion and 1.75trillion of tax payers money soon coming   And Biden still has not apportioned any money to develop any vaccines for Covid19 variants. 

 

You repeated the same slogans already twice at this thread within the last 6 hours without any piece of substantions. 

 

Such obsessive compulsive behaviour, that you displayed extremely frequent at BW can only have its roots in certain mental conditions, which you most probably are better aware of than us BW readers. 

 

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All three Crumbleys are now locked up in jail had have pleaded... not guilty!!!  Nauseating, but expected.

 

If they are not guilty, then guilt does not exist in humanity.  But the District Attorney she is very forceful in getting them convicted.  No thinking human brain would find them "not guilty".   The problem is with our judicial system:  unless a jury is unanimous in finding them guilty, they won't stay in jail.  With juries, all bets are off.  But fortunately, there is a recent precedent in the conviction of the three charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, all the three being whites who killed the black man in the South, convicted by a mostly white jury.

 

Here the Crumbleys are also white,  but they are tried for the murder of 4 white kids plus other white victims, and a jury pulled from the mostly white population will include many parents who can place themselves in the position of their kids being killed, and therefore cannot be very sympathetic with the accused.   The remaining problem however is the large number of pro-gun scumbags who may not see anything wrong with this family, except that the kid did the misjudgment to shoot innocent humans instead of dangerous attacking criminals or innocent animals.

 

If we go back a thousand years and think how society then could have been so screwed up,  people in a thousand years will think the same about our society today.

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On 12/7/2021 at 1:43 AM, singalion said:

 

What a post demonstrating dumbness!

 

So, jobs are created already 1 to 10 days after infrastructure bills are voted in Congress???

 

In particular considering that the second infrastructure bill has a spending time frame of 10 years...

 

So jobs just fall from the sky the day after the President signed the bill???

 

Can you, 7heaven just once use your brain before posting such dumb slogans!

 


Indeed dumbness but it is not from me. 
 

There is a concept of expectation and forward looking which is lost on you obviously.
 

When the 1.9trillion or 1trillions were first passed, the stock market shot up. Likewise when analysts speak about increase in projected earnings or upwards revision of share prices, people will buy the good news despite it not materialising on the spot. 

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All three Crumbleys are now locked up in jail had have pleaded... not guilty!!!  Nauseating, but expected.

 

If they are not guilty, then guilt does not exist in humanity.  But the District Attorney she is very forceful in getting them convicted.  No thinking human brain would find them "not guilty".   The problem is with our judicial system:  unless a jury is unanimous in finding them guilty, they won't stay in jail.  With juries, all bets are off.  But fortunately, there is a recent precedent in the conviction of the three charged with the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, all the three being whites who killed the black man in the South, convicted by a mostly white jury.

 

Here the Crumbleys are also white,  but they are tried for the murder of 4 white kids plus other white victims, and a jury pulled from the mostly white population will include many parents who can place themselves in the position of their kids being killed, and therefore cannot be very sympathetic with the accused.   The remaining problem however is the large number of pro-gun scumbags who may not see anything wrong with this family, except that the kid did the misjudgment to shoot innocent humans instead of dangerous attacking criminals or innocent animals.

 

If we go back a thousand years and think how society then could have been so screwed up,  people in a thousand years will think the same about our society today.


The law provides for right of defence to anyone regardless of race, religion, social status. George Floyd and Daryl Brooks etc have the right to plead guilty or not guilty. If they plead not guilty, is it considered nauseating too? 
 

The problem with the American system is people tend to view things from racial lens all too often. If a verdict is given that is not what a certain group want, they will cry foul and wallow about how the jury or judge is racist. 

In the deadly Waukesha Christmas parade killing, Daryl Brooks drove a car through a parade resulting in 6 deaths including a 8year old kid. Daryl brooks killed 6 innocent humans instead of dangerous attacking criminals. It is the human who is the perpetrator and not the guns or vehicles. A vehicle or gun without a human operating it will be harmless. 
 

If the law of the country allow the legal carriage of weapons or driving of a car, then the issue to address is the human who use them wrongly to take the lives of others. 

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On 12/7/2021 at 12:01 PM, 7heaven said:

George Floyd and Daryl Brooks etc have the right to plead guilty or not guilty.

 

What an ugly trait and disrespect to people, irrespective what race, religion, sexual orientation or social status that you display with above post.

 

The same as your repugnant post (sorry there is no other word for it) demonstrates that you post a lot of immature and illogical slogans at BW,  but don't know the facts and backgrounds.

 

Your post displays lack of knowledge what is going on in the world and the US and then you still dare to post at this thread here when it is obvious, that you just don't know anything and simply just use this forum to abuse it for your slogan posting. You are too absorbed with your political unsubstantiated slogans that you aren't even aware of the surrounding facts.

 

Once again you yourself 7heaven with above post have totally discredited yourself to post anything at BW.

 

 

Ask George Floyd whether he can plead guilty or not guilty.

 

 

You are just a repugnant and ignorant slogan shouter.

As you don't even bother about the facts, we should not take anything what you post here serious.

 

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 10:11 PM, singalion said:

 

Ask George Floyd whether he can plead guilty or not guilty.

 

 

I think this was simply a malfunction of @7heaven's brain.  He surely meant not George Floyd but the policeman who put his knee on Floyd's neck,  and who even after pleading "not guilty" was found OBVIOUSLY GUILTY AS HELL :thumb:

 

 

On 12/6/2021 at 10:11 PM, singalion said:

 

We should not take anything what you post here serious.

 

 

Oh Singalion, Singalion,  Singalion...

 

Don't tell that after all what you know, you still take something that @7heaven posts SERIOUSLY!  Enjoy instead the chuckle. :) 

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On 12/7/2021 at 12:11 PM, singalion said:

 

What an ugly trait and disrespect to people, irrespective what race, religion, sexual orientation or social status that you display with above post.

 

The same as your repugnant post (sorry there is no other word for it) demonstrates that you post a lot of immature and illogical slogans at BW,  but don't know the facts and backgrounds.

 

Your post displays lack of knowledge what is going on in the world and the US and then you still dare to post at this thread here when it is obvious, that you just don't know anything and simply just use this forum to abuse it for your slogan posting. You are too absorbed with your political unsubstantiated slogans that you aren't even aware of the surrounding facts.

 

Once again you yourself have totally discredited yourself to post anything at BW.

 

 

Ask George Floyd whether he can plead guilty or not guilty.

 

 

You are just a repugnant and ignorant slogan shouter.

We should not take anything what you post here serious.

 

 


Don’t misinterpret again. 
 

When George Floyd was alive, he did commit some crimes. No? He had the opportunity as with others who are charged to plead guilty or not. The law proves for it regardless of race, religion or social status. 

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On 12/7/2021 at 12:42 PM, 7heaven said:

had the opportunity as with others who are charged to plead guilty or not. The law proves for it regardless of race, religion or social status. 

 

And how does your guilty and not guilty plea count for all those blacks in the US that were shot dead instantly by White, Asian or Hispanic police officers.

 

As usual you are just ignorant of facts.

 

It is a fact that black people die more often in such police operations than white criminals.

 

This fact is black and white. Nobody requires to discuss it.

 

If you prefer to ignore it is your personal delusion.

 

 

Your post on George Floyd demonstrates that you look down on Black people and judge them the same as the majority of police officers in the US.

 

 

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On 12/7/2021 at 12:42 PM, 7heaven said:

Don’t misinterpret again. 
When George Floyd was alive, he did commit some crimes. No? He had the opportunity as with others who are charged to plead guilty or not. The law proves for it regardless of race, religion or social status. 

 

Your post was ignorant, repugnant and disgusting.

And your below post was a clear sign that you don't know certain facts and while posting your slogans don't bother about the facts.

 

On 12/7/2021 at 12:01 PM, 7heaven said:

George Floyd and Daryl Brooks etc have the right to plead guilty or not guilty.

 

What was there to misinterpret. You wrote clearly that George Floyd should plead guilty or not.

No need to twist your words here now and call others in misinterpreting your posts.

 

 

Now you try to save your face while pretending you meant that George Floyd, if he was still alive and bla bla.

the fact is that even if George Floyd has a criminal past, he did not deserve to be killed by police officers during an arrest for an alleged fake 20 Dollar note (what wasn't even the case).

Don't digress now from your deed.

 

This is one of the most disrespectful and nasty thing someone wrote at BW what I have seen for long at BW.

 

You just showed us that you have no morals, shame and manners.

 

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On 12/7/2021 at 3:42 PM, singalion said:

 

Your post was ignorant, repugnant and disgusting.

And your below post was a clear sign that you don't know certain facts and while posting your slogans don't bother about the facts.

 

 

What was there to misinterpret. You wrote clearly that George Floyd should plead guilty or not.

No need to twist your words here now and call others in misinterpreting your posts.

 

 

Now you try to save your face while pretending you meant that George Floyd, if he was still alive and bla bla.

the fact is that even if George Floyd has a criminal past, he did not deserve to be killed by police officers during an arrest for an alleged fake 20 Dollar note (what wasn't even the case).

Don't digress now from your deed.

 

This is one of the most disrespectful and nasty thing someone wrote at BW what I have seen for long at BW.

 

You just showed us that you have no morals, shame and manners.

 


Quite clearly you like to misinterpret and take people posts out of context to fit your narrative to criticise. 

George Floyd and Daryl Brooks were used as examples that they too have the right to plead guilty or not when charged and it is provided for by the law.  There is nowhere in my post that even remotely suggest George Floyd deserved to be killed by anyone for using an alleged fake note. 

 

Readers will know you just like to twist people words to fit your own narrative to attack people. Have a read again.
 

On 12/7/2021 at 12:01 PM, 7heaven said:

The law provides for right of defence to anyone regardless of race, religion, social status. George Floyd and Daryl Brooks etc have the right to plead guilty or not guilty. If they plead not guilty, is it considered nauseating or not?

 

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Quite clearly you like to misinterpret and take people posts out of context to fit your narrative to criticise. 

George Floyd and Daryl Brooks were used as examples that they too have the right to plead guilty or not when charged and it is provided for by the law.  There is nowhere in my post that even remotely suggest George Floyd deserved to be killed by anyone for using an alleged fake note. 

 

Readers will know you just like to twist people words to fit your own narrative to attack people. Have a read again.
 

 

 

The more you try to make it look as if you wrote something different the more you dig yourself deeper into the mud. 

 

Misinterpreting...

 

If that had been so, then why did you name the innocent George Floyd together with a criminal and murderer such as Brooks?

 

That doesn't make sense! 

 

And second question: Why did you mention the dead person George Floyd who died through an unlawful killing by a police officer as an example for someone who can plead guilty or not guilty?

 

Doesn't make sense also. 

 

Third, by taking George Floyd as your example it is obvious that you 7heaven had no clue about the facts of that Floyd case. 

 

Placing Floyd together with Brooks is already the most inappropriate if not defamatory and also belittling Floyd's unfortunate fate. 

 

Your post was nasty and hitting rock bottom. 

 

Maybe it is best to direct your post to Floyd's family and let them act on it. 

 

 

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Kamala Harris described as a ‘bully’ and ‘soul-destroying’ boss

By Joe Tacopino

December 6, 2021 | 1:33am
 

Vice President Kamala Harris is described as a “bully” in a new report that brands her as the “common denominator” behind a recent exodus of high-level staffers.

 

Harris’ allegedly “soul-destroying” management style was revealed by staffers to the Washington Post just days after spokesperson and longtime aide Symone Sanders announced her departure.

 

“Who are the next talented people you’re going to bring in and burn through and then have [them] pretend they’re retiring for positive reasons?” former Harris aide Gil Duran told the paper.

 

Duran said Harris’ “destructive patterns” were behind the recent turmoil and exit of Sanders and communications director Ashley Etienne.

 

“One of the things we’ve said in our little text groups among each other is what is the common denominator through all this and it’s her,” Duran said.

 

https://nypost.com/2021/12/06/kamala-harris-described-as-a-bully-and-soul-destroying-boss/amp/

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On 12/7/2021 at 3:31 PM, singalion said:

And how does your guilty and not guilty plea count for all those blacks in the US that were shot dead instantly by White, Asian or Hispanic police officers.


Pleading guilty or not is irrelevant for all those blacks in the US who were shot dead instantly by White, Asian or Hispanic police officers, just the same way how how blacks or any other races go out to harm or kill police officers or innocent people of any races will not be counted/resolved by pleading guilt or innocence simply because these 2 are not linked. 

 

On 12/7/2021 at 3:31 PM, singalion said:

It is a fact that black people die more often in such police operations than white criminals.

 

This fact is black and white. Nobody requires to discuss it.

 

If you prefer to ignore it is your personal delusion.


My post is talking about how the law provides for alleged offender of crimes the opportunity to plead guilty or not.
 

^You brought up a different concept altogether just to attack people saying they prefer to ignore it as it is the person’s delusion. Since u r on this topic,  if you claim more blacks die more often than whites in police operations, why not discuss it to raise awareness. You can discuss with your congressman or senator or even Kamala Harris (assuming her staff working on such issues have not resigned yet) or Biden? 

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On 12/8/2021 at 8:40 AM, 7heaven said:

My post is talking about how the law provides for alleged offender of crimes the opportunity to plead guilty or not.

 

Your points of pleading guilty or not guilty are noted, but they don't serve anything. In fact your intention on bringing up the guilty plea is shortsighted and aimed to cover the real issue.

 

Actually, your point is senseless and implausible. 

 

I can say also that every US citizen has a right to vote. But if facts show that in some areas voting boxes are placed every 1 km while in others only every 80 km can I still argue, voting rights are fair?

 

This is the logic of your reasoning => absurd and irrelevant. 

 

And for someone like Floyd who has been suffocated to death shot dead to discuss about pleading guilty or non guilty is already absurd. 

 

It is in fact a waste of time to discuss on it. 

 

 

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On 12/8/2021 at 8:40 AM, 7heaven said:


Pleading guilty or not is irrelevant for all those blacks in the US who were shot dead instantly by White, Asian or Hispanic police officers, just the same way how how blacks or any other races go out to harm or kill police officers or innocent people of any races will not be counted/resolved by pleading guilt or innocence simply because these 2 are not linked. 

 


My post is talking about how the law provides for alleged offender of crimes the opportunity to plead guilty or not.
 

^You brought up a different concept altogether just to attack people saying they prefer to ignore it as it is the person’s delusion. Since u r on this topic,  if you claim more blacks die more often than whites in police operations, why not discuss it to raise awareness. You can discuss with your congressman or senator or even Kamala Harris (assuming her staff working on such issues have not resigned yet) or Biden? 

 

Your fifth response post and face saving attempt is nothing than an attempt to digress from the fact that you

 

a) insulted the integrity of Floyd, 

b) evidence for posting illogical nonsensical slogans at BW without knowledge of the background facts. Namely, that Floyd was killed and deceased. 

 

That's it.

 

There is nothing to add. 

 

You can go lengthy ways to interpret your own post differently now  but the above has been already sufficiently proven. 

 

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On 12/8/2021 at 8:22 AM, 7heaven said:

Kamala Harris is branded a 'bully' and accused of inflicting 'constant, soul-destroying criticism' on staff by ex-aides who claim she refused to read briefings, then scolded them if she was slated for being unprepared as 'FOUR' quit

 

Who would believe anything from this RNC twitter channel?

 

We all got to know a US president recently, who wasn't re-elected last year, who was a real bully...... 

 

Do you soak in knowledge only through twitter? 

No wonder you know so little...

 

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On 12/7/2021 at 8:18 PM, singalion said:

 

Actually, your point is senseless and implausible. 

This is the logic of your reasoning => absurd and irrelevant. 

And for someone like Floyd who has been shot dead to discuss about pleading guilty or non guilty is already absurd. 

 

 

Well...  all this goes without saying.   We all can notice that @7heaven has been senseless and implausible from the beginning and his logic is absurd and irrelevant.  In fact, it seems that with his practice, his senselessness, implausibility, absurdity and irrelevance are getting stronger, as he is perfecting these as he plays his game.

 

 

On 12/7/2021 at 8:24 PM, singalion said:

 

Your fifth response post and face saving attempt is nothing than an attempt to digress from the fact that you

a) insulted the integrity of Floyd, 

b) evidence for posting illogical nonsensical slogans at BW without knowledge of the background facts. Namely, that Floyd was shot dead. 

 

 

His attempt to digress must surely be a part of his game. 

 

On 12/7/2021 at 8:18 PM, singalion said:

 

It is in fact a waste of time to discuss on it. 

 

 

Yes, but, what is the need to discuss it?  It should suffice to contemplate his posts as artistic forms of bullshit manifested in such exquisite variety of crap.  A persistent act of cyber comedy.  :) 

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On 12/8/2021 at 10:18 AM, singalion said:

 

Your points of pleading guilty or not guilty are noted, but they don't serve anything. In fact your intention on bringing up the guilty plea is shortsighted and aimed to cover the real issue.

 

Actually, your point is senseless and implausible. 

 

I can say also that every US citizen has a right to vote. But if facts show that in some areas voting boxes are placed every 1 km while in others only every 80 km can I still argue, voting rights are fair?

 

This is the logic of your reasoning => absurd and irrelevant. 

 

And for someone like Floyd who has been shot dead to discuss about pleading guilty or non guilty is already absurd. 

 

It is in fact a waste of time to discuss on it. 

 

 


It is your opinion that they don’t serve anything. It is my opinion that it is sensible and plausible. 
 

You can say your opinion about voting rights and how unfair it is but others can have their opinions that it is senseless and implausible. 

Ironically, you claimed that people are ignorant of facts and background yet you blatantly displayed your own ignorance by stating Floyd has been shot dead.
 

Are you going to clarify you did not mean George Floyd when you made this statement below? Lol. 

 

On 12/8/2021 at 10:18 AM, singalion said:

And for someone like Floyd who has been shot dead to discuss about pleading guilty or non guilty is already absurd. 

 

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On 12/8/2021 at 10:33 AM, singalion said:

 

Who would believe anything from this RNC twitter channel?

 

We all got to know a US president recently, who wasn't re-elected last year, who was a real bully...... 

 

Do you soak in knowledge only through twitter? 

No wonder you know so little...

 


Who would not believe anything from this RNC Twitter channel? 
 

We all now know the current VP Kamala Harris treatment of her staff. 
 

Do you prefer to ignore inconvenient truths about the current VP? 

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There was someone previously who brought up the error made by Biden having visited the PM of Israel Golda Meir after the Six Day War, when in fact he visited PM Meir after the 1973 war.

 

Unfortunately, there is a big difference in the error of confusing the time of a meeting by Biden and confusing the facts of the 1967 Six Day War, the error that was committed by 7heaven.

 

The second difference between the episode of Biden with PM Golda Meir and 7heaven is that Biden did not profess himself as an expert of the Six Day War.

 

Because 7heaven was claiming at least 15 times at BW that the Six Day War 1967 happened during the Jewish Yom Kippur Festival while during the 1967 Six Day War there was no such Jewish Yom Kippur Festival.

 

On 7/16/2021 at 7:16 PM, 7heaven said:

and articles that answer holistically answered the question why did Israel a small country suddenly attacked 3 bigger countries with more troops and military equipment combined during a period when Israel is celebrating a festival in the 6day war.

On 7/17/2021 at 10:46 PM, 7heaven said:

 the main question of -> Why would Israel being a small country suddenly attacked 3 bigger countries with more troops and equipment combined while celebrating a festival in June 1967? Why would Egypt suddenly closed off Straits of Tiran to Israel ships in May 1967 and kicked out UN peace keepers? Would any peace loving countries do that? 

On 7/20/2021 at 12:26 AM, 7heaven said:

Why would Israel being such a small country suddenly attack 3 bigger countries with more troops and equipment while Israelis are celebrating a festival on 5June 1967.

 

Lastly, I was never "bashing" Dart on his error but challenging his knowledge of the facts on the Israel - Palestine and whether he is qualified to discuss something when it was obvious that he did not profess sufficient knowledge on the subject.

 

If someone doesn't know the different Arab Israel wars and claims that the 1967 Six Day War happened during the Yom Kippur Holidays, while in fact there was no such Jewish Yom Kippur on 5 June 1967 how can he claim to have sufficient knowledge on the the Israel -Palestine conflict and discuss on this conflict?

 

This lack of knowledge also demonstrated to everyone at BW that 7heaven did not know anything much about the Israel - Arab wars and that it wasn't the Six Day War 1967 while Israel celebrated the Yom Kippur Festival but was a totally different war, namely the Yom Kippur war from 1973.

That was my point.

 

With that display of lack of any serious knowledge on Israel and the wars, 7heaven simply disqualified himself to discuss on that thread.

 

7 heaven (same as in this US thread) was just boasting himself to have knowledge while he in fact what he professed was only his total lack of knowledge on Israel and the Palestine conflict.

 

Just remember also again his knowledge on the Vietnam war and linking the 1975 escape with the US helicopter incident above the US embassy in Vietnam to President Carter while it was not during Carter's tenure.

 

Evidence:

On 8/17/2021 at 10:35 PM, 7heaven said:

Yes, the current President Joe Biden is doing a great job in Afghanistan as good a job or even better than Carter in Vietnam.

 

All this is evidence that 7heaven pretends to have knowledge while the real fact is: He doesn't have sufficient knowledge to discuss on the subject.

 

And all this leads me to conclude that 7heaven's only aim at this thread is to post his biased slogans.

This my conclusion is supported by his trait not to support any of his claims with any evidence or substantiation.

 

 

 

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