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5 minutes ago, InBangkok said:

Sorry to say this is incorrect. President Kennedy appointed his brother Bobby as Attorney General from the start of his administration.

 

Ok, you are right. Oh yeah, but that is a long time back.

 

My point is that it is not common for presidents to place relatives, kids or in laws into such "jobs" .

 

Note that Robert Kennedy was a qualified lawyer. He did not have much administrative experience or acted as a judge, but the job of Attorney General does not require to have court experience.

It was up to the Senate to approve his appointment and they did.

 

By the way the US enacted the Anti nepotism statute after Kennedy's appointment ended. Originally passed after President Kennedy appointed his brother as attorney general, the statute aims to prevent the president from appointing family members to government positions. So there was a reaction to the appointment in 1961 of Kennedy's brother.

 

The functions of the kids of Trump and his in law were not going through the Senate and for sure it created conflict of interests and breaking standard rules. Trump did not appoint a relative as Secretary or AG but he gave governmental functions to three (or more?) of his son, daughter and son in law.

 

This was vastly out of the norm.

 

 

I am not the only one arguing as such:

 

Nepotism and Conflicts of Interest – Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump

April 25, 2017
 
President Trump’s hiring of his son-in-law and daughter undoubtedly violates the intended purpose of the anti-nepotism statute.
When President Trump appointed his son-in-law Jared Kushner as a senior advisor, the appointment appeared to run afoul of the federal anti-nepotism statute. The statute specifies both that the prohibition against hiring family members applies to the president and that sons-in-law are family members. Given the even closer proximity of their relationship, President Trump’s more recent hiring of his daughter Ivanka Trump seems to be an even more apparent violation of the statute.
President Trump’s hiring of his son-in-law and daughter undoubtedly violates the intended purpose of the anti-nepotism statute. Originally passed after President Kennedy appointed his brother as attorney general, the statute manifestly aims to prevent the president from appointing family members to government positions. Allowing nepotism – especially at the highest level of government – undermines the integrity of the Administration’s policy making.
 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, singalion said:

 

 

You kept silent on this quite nepotistic approach of Trump to install his children and son in law into government functions.

 

No other president in the US ever dared to task his family members and in laws into the presidential administration.

 

This did not raise any moral, ethical and legal questions??

 

 

As usual you are simply avoiding to cover this point, because you know you can't win anything.

 

Your strategy then is to ignore it and hope BW readers will forget.

 


You kept silent or in fact u mindlessly criticised the contributions made by Trump’s son-in-law in brokering unprecedented peace deals between Israel, Bahrain, Morocco, UAE and Sudan.
 

What’s the point of having an outsider in the presidential administration when he cannot contribute? Joe Biden was Obama’s VP and not Obama’s son-in-law or relative, did Joe Biden ink any peace deals? 

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2 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Ok, you are right. Oh yeah, but that is a long time back.

 

My point is that it is not common for presidents to place relatives, kids or in laws into such "jobs" .

 

Note that Robert Kennedy was a qualified lawyer. He did not have much administrative experience or acted as a judge, but the job of Attorney General does not require to have court experience.

It was up to the Senate to approve his appointment and they did.

 

By the way the US enacted the Anti nepotism statute after Kennedy's appointment ended. Originally passed after President Kennedy appointed his brother as attorney general, the statute aims to prevent the president from appointing family members to government positions. So there was a reaction to the appointment in 1961 of Kennedy's brother.

 

The functions of the kids of Trump and his in law were not going through the Senate and for sure it created conflict of interests and breaking standard rules. Trump did not appoint a relative as Secretary or AG but he gave governmental functions to three (or more?) of his son, daughter and son in law.

 

This was vastly out of the norm.

 

 

I am not the only one arguing as such:

 

Nepotism and Conflicts of Interest – Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump

April 25, 2017
 
President Trump’s hiring of his son-in-law and daughter undoubtedly violates the intended purpose of the anti-nepotism statute.
When President Trump appointed his son-in-law Jared Kushner as a senior advisor, the appointment appeared to run afoul of the federal anti-nepotism statute. The statute specifies both that the prohibition against hiring family members applies to the president and that sons-in-law are family members. Given the even closer proximity of their relationship, President Trump’s more recent hiring of his daughter Ivanka Trump seems to be an even more apparent violation of the statute.
President Trump’s hiring of his son-in-law and daughter undoubtedly violates the intended purpose of the anti-nepotism statute. Originally passed after President Kennedy appointed his brother as attorney general, the statute manifestly aims to prevent the president from appointing family members to government positions. Allowing nepotism – especially at the highest level of government – undermines the integrity of the Administration’s policy making.
 

 

 

 

 

 


What has trump’s relatives in gov gained? Did they sell art work quietly without disclosing who the buyers are? Did they without experience sit on the board of some foreign gas companies earning exorbitant amounts of money every month? Did they go to China and got some billions of investment for their private firms? 
 

Nancy Pelosi should hold more inquiries into Trump’s appointment of his relatives. In fact, she should spend each day of the next 4 years revealing every day of Trump’s Presidency, reading all his emails, phone conversations, his facial expressions, who he winked at, check all the toilets he been to, and try to uncover more impeachable crimes. 
 

That would be an excellent strategy to distract the world from assessing how bad Biden is doing now with massive surge in crime rates in many US states, record numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the border, not sufficiently testing these immigrants for Covid19 and potentially causing unintended spread,  spending tax payers monies to house them, treat them and cancelling Keystone gas pipeline resulting in loss of jobs in US. 

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33 minutes ago, 7heaven said:


You kept silent or in fact u mindlessly criticised the contributions made by Trump’s son-in-law in brokering unprecedented peace deals between Israel, Bahrain, Morocco, UAE and Sudan.
 

What’s the point of having an outsider in the presidential administration when he cannot contribute? Joe Biden was Obama’s VP and not Obama’s son-in-law or relative, did Joe Biden ink any peace deals? 

 

This is just too simplistic.

 

Your post is just aimed to smear on Biden.

 

The Vice President has an executive function to set in place the policies decided by the President. The Vice President cannot act on his own.

 

You are confusing certain things.

 

And by the way following your logic: Why did not VP Pence under Trump work on these agreements?

What was he worth when he cannot or did not contribute to anything?

 

 

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45 minutes ago, 7heaven said:


You kept silent or in fact u mindlessly criticised the contributions made by Trump’s son-in-law in brokering unprecedented peace deals between Israel, Bahrain, Morocco, UAE and Sudan.
 

 

 

Your naming of the treaties as "Peace " treaties is already rhetoric as the countries had not been at war with Israel.

 

You forgot one major point which was not so much covered in the media.

 

By signing the agreements with Bahrain, UAE and Morocco the US entered into extensive arm deals.

The Agreements with Israel were used by the Arab governments to gain access to US military equipment.

 

 

The United Arab Emirates also extracted a key military concession: access to F-35 jets from the United States which it has long sought, at a time when senators from both sides of the aisle seek to limit sales of weapons to traditional Gulf allies, concerned over their human rights records and involvement in the Yemen war.

 

The makers of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

In many ways “The Abraham Accords” amount to an arms deal. The U.A.E. and other states that now engage with Israel will find themselves armed with a better class of American weaponry.

 

The Morocco-Israel deal makes this even more likely, because it apparently came bundled with a $1 billion arms package for Morocco that includes long-endurance surveillance drones and precision-guided missiles and bombs that the Moroccan military could use in Western Sahara.

 

Of course, Trump's concession to Morocco has nothing to do with North African security and everything to do with burnishing Trump's reputation by scoring diplomatic victories on behalf of Israel. Already this year, he has induced the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan to normalize relations with Israel by offering generous U.S. arms sales and political concessions.

 

 

You might intend to cover up and keep silent on the arms deals in exchange for the treaties... but I am here to put it on the table.

 

What the accords with Israel will bring for the future, we will have to see in some years.

 

However, most of Trump's "great" deals can be judged as short sighted gains.

 

The result might even be more wars, than peace.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, 7heaven said:

What has trump’s relatives in gov gained?

 

They gained US tax payer paid trips to increase their business revenue for their private business.

 

Did Trump's kids, and son in law reveal how much they made for the Trump Organisation during their government paid trips?

 

 

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51 minutes ago, 7heaven said:

That would be an excellent strategy to distract the world from assessing how bad Biden is doing now with massive surge in crime rates in many US states, record numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the border, not sufficiently testing these immigrants for Covid19 and potentially causing unintended spread,  spending tax payers monies to house them, treat them and cancelling Keystone gas pipeline resulting in loss of jobs in US. 

 

Same slogan repeat and repeat.

 

Do you think after so many months of this thread anyone will buy your slogans?

 

Do you want me to recall the surge of illegal immigrants during Trump's term and his bigly inefficient handling of the government authorities in charge of sending immigrants back to their home countries?

 

Just wonder why you never converted to a US citizen when you admire Trump so much...

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55 minutes ago, 7heaven said:

Nancy Pelosi should hold more inquiries into Trump’s appointment of his relatives.

 

What has Pelosi to do with this issue?

 

It is obvious that you totally lost touch to reality...

 

Are you getting paid by Trumps political PACs to spread the Trump propaganda?

 

 

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On 8/5/2021 at 1:17 AM, 7heaven said:

Iran is huge, are Obama and Biden able to check every spot of Iran to ensure they are not developing nuclear weapons while taking US money? 

 

7 hours ago, singalion said:

 

What billions of Dollars are you talking about?

 

What money is Biden giving to Iran?

 

Please come with evidence and not just your usual strategy of merely claiming things without any substantiation.

 

 

You did not respond to this.

 

What billions of Dollars are you talking about?

 

What money is Biden giving to Iran?

 

Please elaborate what US monies does Iran take?

 

 

Please come with evidence and not just your usual strategy of merely alleging things without any substantiation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Wrong:

 

So far he did not donate all of it.

 

Stop posting untruths.

 

The charities and donatable institutions have confirmed that they had not received any donations from Trump for his last salary.

 


Wrong. Trump had donated all of his Presidential salary. Obama and Biden didn’t even dare to donate their salaries. 

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5 hours ago, singalion said:

 

They gained US tax payer paid trips to increase their business revenue for their private business.

 

Did Trump's kids, and son in law reveal how much they made for the Trump Organisation during their government paid trips?

 

 


Did Joe Biden reveal how much his son Hunter Biden’s artwork are sold for and who are buying them? And what gov role has Hunter Biden got when he flew to China in Air Force 2 when Biden was the VP. 

U can just make things up about Trump like most of the trump deranged people. 
 

Joe Biden’s current climate envoy John Kerry is tragically hypocritical in asking people to save the earth but his wife and family on the other hand is making multiple trips on private jets! 
 

Private jets emit 40times more carbon per passenger compared with commercial jets. Such unnecessary carbon emissions contribute to global warming. What double standards. Is Nancy Pelosi going to convene an injury to investigate his hypocrisy? 
 

John Kerry’s gas-guzzling family jet has taken 16 trips this year alone

By Emily Crane

August 5, 2021 | 3:13pm
 

 

The gas-guzzling private jet owned by climate czar John Kerry’s family has already taken 16 flights this year alone, online records show.

 

Flight Aware data indicates the most recent flight on Kerry’s family jet was on Wednesday when it traveled from Idaho’s Friedman Memorial Airport to Boston.

 

Trips were also made earlier this week between Idaho and California.

Kerry and his wife Teresa have vacationed in Idaho’s Sun Valley for decades, local media reports say.

 

Earlier records, obtained by Fox News, also show the jet has flown multiple times within Massachusetts since January, including to Martha’s Vineyard and Boston.

Two trips were between Massachusetts and New Jersey.

 

It is the same plane linked to the Flying Squirrel LLC charter company that Kerry listed as one of his assets in financial disclosures when he was secretary of state.


It is not immediately clear who charted the plane on any of the 16 flights this year.

A State Department spokesperson said Kerry — who is Biden’s climate envoy and is tasked with trying to lower greenhouse gas emissions — wasn’t on any of the flights this year.

 

“Secretary Kerry travels commercially or via military air in his role as Special Presidential Envoy for Climate,” the spokesperson said.

The State Department would not comment on whether Kerry or his wife financially benefit from Flying Squirrel LLC.

Kerry has faced intense scrutiny in the past for defending his use of a private jet while preaching to the nation and the world about reducing emissions.
 

After he was criticized for taking the jet to receive a climate award in Iceland in 2019, Kerry said: “If you offset your carbon, it’s the only choice for somebody like me who is traveling the world to win this battle.”

He added, at the time, that he didn’t have time to sail the seas but did not address the fact he had the option of flying commercial airlines that transport hundreds of passengers at a time.

“I believe the time it takes to get me somewhere, I can’t sail across the ocean. I have to fly to meet with people and get things done,” Kerry said.
 

“But what I’m doing, almost full time, is working to win the battle of climate change and in the end if I offset and contribute my life to do this, I’m not going to be put on the defensive.”

Private jets have been estimated to emit upward of 40 times as much carbon per passenger as commercial flights.

 

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/08/05/john-kerrys-private-family-jet-took-16-trips-this-year-alone/amp/

 

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6 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Your naming of the treaties as "Peace " treaties is already rhetoric as the countries had not been at war with Israel.

 

You forgot one major point which was not so much covered in the media.

 

By signing the agreements with Bahrain, UAE and Morocco the US entered into extensive arm deals.

The Agreements with Israel were used by the Arab governments to gain access to US military equipment.

 

 

The United Arab Emirates also extracted a key military concession: access to F-35 jets from the United States which it has long sought, at a time when senators from both sides of the aisle seek to limit sales of weapons to traditional Gulf allies, concerned over their human rights records and involvement in the Yemen war.

 

The makers of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

In many ways “The Abraham Accords” amount to an arms deal. The U.A.E. and other states that now engage with Israel will find themselves armed with a better class of American weaponry.

 

The Morocco-Israel deal makes this even more likely, because it apparently came bundled with a $1 billion arms package for Morocco that includes long-endurance surveillance drones and precision-guided missiles and bombs that the Moroccan military could use in Western Sahara.

 

Of course, Trump's concession to Morocco has nothing to do with North African security and everything to do with burnishing Trump's reputation by scoring diplomatic victories on behalf of Israel. Already this year, he has induced the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan to normalize relations with Israel by offering generous U.S. arms sales and political concessions.

 

 

You might intend to cover up and keep silent on the arms deals in exchange for the treaties... but I am here to put it on the table.

 

What the accords with Israel will bring for the future, we will have to see in some years.

 

However, most of Trump's "great" deals can be judged as short sighted gains.

 

The result might even be more wars, than peace.

 

 

Same slogan repeat and repeat 

 

Do you think after so many months of this thread people will buy your slogan? 
 

If Sudan, Morocco, UAE and Bahrain weren’t at war with Israel, why didn’t or couldn’t Obama and Biden ink peace deals since u characteristic it that way that there were not at war? 
 

If we assume u were not lying about arm deals, what’s wrong with selling arms to these countries’ military? Don’t they have right to use advance arms to protect themselves and their citizens? 
 

Obama’s and Biden’s inability to ink such peace deals despite having 8years compared with Trump’s 4years can be judged as sheer incompetence. 

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8 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Did Joe Biden reveal how much his son Hunter Biden’s artwork are sold for and who are buying them? And what gov role has Hunter Biden got when he flew to China in Air Force 2 when Biden was the VP. 

 

 

 

Biden's trip to China with son Hunter in 2013 comes under new scrutiny

Amid unproven Trump claims, the overseas trip is generating new attention over Hunter Biden's business dealings.
 
 
Oct. 2, 2019, 5:00 PM +08 / Updated Oct. 2, 2019, 7:30 PM +08
By Josh Lederman

WASHINGTON — At the time, it seemed mildly noteworthy, but not particularly unusual: then-Vice President Joe Biden, traveling to China on an official visit, had brought his son Hunter Biden along.

And when the two appeared in public together in Beijing during the 2013 trip, there were all the typical trappings of a mini-family vacation tacked on to a business trip.

 

With granddaughter Finnegan in tow, the Biden men sipped tea in a Confucian-style teahouse, leafed through books at local shops and treated themselves to mid-afternoon ice cream.

But almost six years later, Biden’s trip to Beijing is coming under new scrutiny amid revelations about President Donald Trump’s efforts to dig up information to corroborate his unproven corruption allegations regarding Biden and his son’s work in Ukraine.

In 2013, I was one of four reporters who traveled aboard Air Force Two with Biden and his son to China, a visit that was sandwiched between stops in Japan and South Korea. When we got on the plane on a bright Sunday afternoon at Joint Base Andrews, the Bidens were already on board, having just flown in from a family Thanksgiving gathering in Nantucket. Biden often took family members and especially his grandchildren on his foreign trips, so their presence didn’t raise eyebrows.

What wasn't known then was that as he accompanied his father to China, Hunter Biden was forming a Chinese private equity fund that associates said at the time was planning to raise big money, including from China. Hunter Biden has acknowledged meeting with Jonathan Li, a Chinese banker and his partner in the fund during the trip, although his spokesman says it was a social visit.

The Chinese business license that brought the new fund into existence was issued by Shanghai authorities 10 days after the trip, with Hunter Biden a member of the board.

Seeking to expand his corruption accusations beyond Ukraine, Trump has accused Hunter Biden of using his trip on Air Force Two to procure $1.5 billion from China for his fund, calling it “a horrible thing.”

Despite Trump's accusations, there has been no evidence of corruption on the part of the former vice president or his son.

Hunter Biden’s spokesman, George Mesires, told NBC News that Hunter Biden wasn’t initially an “owner” of the company and has never gotten paid for serving on the board. He said Hunter Biden didn’t acquire an equity interest in the fund until 2017, after his father had left office.

And when he did, he put in only about $420,000 — a 10 percent interest. That puts the total capitalization of the fund at the time at about $4.2 million — a far cry from the $1.5 billion that Trump has alleged.

"The Washington Post Fact Checker has dismantled this conspiracy theory,” said Andrew Bates, spokesman for Joe Biden's presidential campaign. “Donald Trump's degradation of his office is unacceptable.” The Post's fact-check traced the origins of the $1.5 billion figure to a 2018 book published by conservative author Peter Schweizer.

 

In August, Senate Finance Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, raised concerns about Hunter Biden’s meeting with Li in a letter to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin that warned of Hunter Biden’s “history of investing in and collaborating with Chinese companies.” Grassley’s letter also cited media reports saying Hunter Biden had arranged for Li, his business partner, to shake hands with the vice president while in Beijing.

Also involved in the fund is Devon Archer, a past adviser to former Secretary of State John Kerry, who also partnered with Hunter Biden on his work in Ukraine and a U.S. investment firm.

The renewed interest in the China trip comes as Trump faces an impeachment inquiry from the House after a whistleblower in the intelligence community brought attention to a July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy. Trump, in the call, pressed the Ukrainian leader to investigate Biden and his son as a “favor” and seemed to link it to the sale of Javelin missiles by the U.S. to the Ukrainians.

Democrats say that constituted an abuse of Trump’s presidential powers for political purposes given Biden’s position as a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination.

And Trump, too, has come under scrutiny for potential conflicts between his presidential duties and his family’s overseas business interests — including in China. Authorities in China have granted dozens of trademarks since Trump took office to the brand of his daughter and senior White House adviser Ivanka Trump, even as the president is engaged in high-stakes trade talks with Beijing.

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11 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Did Joe Biden reveal how much his son Hunter Biden’s artwork are sold for and who are buying them?

 

Why is there any obligation for the President Joe Biden to reveal how much Hunter gained from selling art works?

 

Auctions have such things as anonymous buyers. Is there any duty to

 

Did Hunter Biden link his art's sales to the presidency of Biden in any way?

Because Hunter Biden is the son of the President he has to cease his business life and private life, sit down and chew crack filled chewing gum? Is that what you are saying?

 

But I have some more questions to expose the stupidity of your posts:

 

How about the sale of antique Louis XIV furniture and sporting yachts by Kushner? Did Trump disclose the amount of sale and profit made by Kushner?

 

Did Trump disclose during his term when his son Donald Jr sold his Cuban (sic!) cigar collection? And did Trump disclose how much profit Trump secretly and his son Donald Jr made by selling NY luxury flats to stupid innocent or unwary Chinese buyers (who later sued him because of cheating)?

 

Did President Trump disclose during his term how much Ivanka Trump received when she sold her Channel and LV bags to second hand auctioneers and sold her Manolo Blahnik one time worn shoes at online fairs?

 

 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2020/10/26/trump-has-sold-118-million-worth-of-property-since-taking-office/?sh=b7e551e5454a

Trump Has Sold $118 Million Worth Of Property Since Taking Office

Oct 26, 2020,

 

While other Trump ventures have grabbed more headlines, Donald Trump’s sons have unloaded $118 million worth of the president’s real estate since his January 2017 inauguration, striking deals everywhere from New York City and Los Angeles to Charleston, South Carolina and the Dominican Republic.

 

 

 

Your one sided approach is clearly obvious for everyone here at BW just repeating the Trump smear on his successor at the Oval office. 

 

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9 hours ago, 7heaven said:


Wrong. Trump had donated all of his Presidential salary. Obama and Biden didn’t even dare to donate their salaries. 

 

Where is the evidence?

 

The recent media reporting says Trump did not donate all of his presidential salary.

 

On 8/5/2021 at 12:19 AM, singalion said:

Mystery of $220,000 of Trump’s presidential salary that he promised to donate but disappeared

 

Fri, July 30, 2021, 8:58 PM
 

A new report has raised questions about whether former President Donald Trump really donated his salary toward the end of his time in office, as he repeatedly did earlier in his term. Mr Trump pledged to make the donations during his campaign, in an effort to demonstrate his supposed vast wealth and that he couldn’t be bought off as a politician.

Like clockwork, Mr Trump made a spectacle of donating his salary, including cutting a check emblazoned with his bold-lettered signature. In February 2018, then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao accepted the check in the White House briefing room. In March of the same year, Mr Trump boasted of the donations, calling it “a lot of money”.

But as The Washington Post reported on Friday, it’s unclear whether the money kept flowing at the end of the Trump administration.

 

“Trump’s White House never said where – or even if – he donated the last $220,000 of his salary, covering the final six months of 2020 and the first 20 days of 2021,” reported the Post’s David Fahrenthold, who has scrupulously tracked Mr Trump’s personal and corporate finances.

Mr Trump’s last donation, according to the report, was made to the National Parks Service on 23 July 2020.

It’s unclear whether Mr Trump opened his wallet after that. More than a dozen federal agencies were mum on whether they received a final gift. Spokespeople for Mr Trump promised to get back to the Post on the matter, but then failed to follow up.

Mr Trump is not one to let a good deed go unnoticed, so it would seem unlikely that he would quietly donate to a federal agency. And, as the Post, reported, Mr Trump is still receiving a government pension – which the former president has not pledged to donate.

 

 

There is no evidence for Trump having donated ALL his salary!

 

Please come with evidence and not just your usual strategy of merely repeating the same item and alleging things without any substantiation.

 

We no longer accept at BW if you just post a response with no substantiation and evidence.

 

Otherwise we just take your post as alternative fact creation (= posting untruths) and fiction .

 

 

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10 hours ago, 7heaven said:

 Obama and Biden didn’t even dare to donate their salaries. 

 

But Obama and Biden did not brag they are billionaires and never had any issues to disclose their personal income tax filings for the last 10 years.

 

What is the point of donating? does it make one to a "better" president?

Why is PM Lee not donating his PM salary or any other Presidents or PMs????

 

This donation thing is just one of Trump's marketing gigs (or gags?) while attempting to impress some (probably lower educated US citizens [unfortunately, there are still too plenty of them]) who think he did something generous. Maybe I m just too smart to see what his intention was with this donation thing, so it doesn't impress me at all. 

 

 

Also Obama and Biden did not need to inflate their accounting numbers to avoid paying taxes or on the other hand inflate revenue to receive loans from banks like one ex President did.

 

What is Trump hiding in not disclosing his income tax?

How he cheated the tax and in 10 years only paid 750 Dollars in tax per year (less than these normal US people who stupidly still donate monies to Trumps Political PACs)???

 

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On 8/5/2021 at 1:17 AM, 7heaven said:

Iran is huge, are Obama and Biden able to check every spot of Iran to ensure they are not developing nuclear weapons while taking US money? 

 

 

On 8/6/2021 at 4:04 PM, singalion said:

 

What billions of Dollars are you talking about?

 

What money is Biden giving to Iran?

 

Please come with evidence and not just your usual strategy of merely claiming things without any substantiation.

 

 

On 8/6/2021 at 11:35 PM, singalion said:

You did not respond to this. What billions of Dollars are you talking about? What money is Biden giving to Iran?

Please elaborate what US monies does Iran take? Please come with evidence and not just your usual strategy of merely alleging things without any substantiation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my third time asking this but you avoid to answer the questions.

 

You still did not respond to this.

 

What billions of Dollars are you talking about?

What money is Biden giving to Iran?

Please elaborate what US monies does Iran take?

 

 

Please come with evidence and not just your usual strategy of merely alleging things without any substantiation.

 

 

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9 hours ago, 7heaven said:

If Sudan, Morocco, UAE and Bahrain weren’t at war with Israel, why didn’t or couldn’t Obama and Biden ink peace deals since u characteristic it that way that there were not at war? 
 

If we assume u were not lying about arm deals, what’s wrong with selling arms to these countries’ military? Don’t they have right to use advance arms to protect themselves and their citizens? 
 

Obama’s and Biden’s inability to ink such peace deals despite having 8years compared with Trump’s 4years can be judged as sheer incompetence. 

 

Maybe because Obama (and Biden) had (have) a smarter and long term strategy to conclude peace in the Middle East with Israel and the Arabs instead of just doing some boost my image before elections show the sort of Trump?

 

Rushing such crucial things with neglecting the long term effects is surely not a wise political strategy.

 

The Agreements will not achieve peace in Israel if you don't focus on the real issues of the conflict.

Morocco, Bahrein and Sudan have shown in the past that they simply stepped out of such agreements previously done.

 

Why should the news of the arms deals be fake? Google yourself and you will find the facts. And why should I be lying if I even post media reports on these arms deals.

It is evident again that you simply had not been aware of these joint arms deals in exchange for the three agreements with Israel.

Thanks for this, because it demonstrates to everyone at BW that you don't do any background research.

 

The arms deals weaken position of Israel actually, because the army of the Arabs is getting stronger compared to the Israeli defence forces, Israel's superiority in arms and military will dwindle.

 

What is if Obama (why always need to pull in Biden, he was only Vice President under Obama?) did not get the support from Israel during his term? Netanyahu was quite hard to crack on any change of policy.

 

Was the shifting of the US embassy to Jerusalem by Trump a Quid Pro Quo imposed by Israel on the US? Do we know this yet.

We might need to wait 30 years until the info is released.

 

 

 

All in all as an outsider and Non US citizen, I think you should not judge presidents simply just on their political party affiliation. That is the wrong approach in my personal view and reflects immaturity.

 

 

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9 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Same slogan repeat and repeat 

Do you think after so many months of this thread people will buy your slogan? 

 

Since when is posting media reports confirming your point of view posting a slogan?

 

I posted news reports on the arm deals.

 

In fact BW readers can see and verify on their own that your posts are simply just posting political slogans with no substance.

 

 

 

15 hours ago, singalion said:

You forgot one major point which was not so much covered in the media.

 

By signing the agreements with Bahrain, UAE and Morocco the US entered into extensive arm deals.

The Agreements with Israel were used by the Arab governments to gain access to US military equipment.

 

 

The United Arab Emirates also extracted a key military concession: access to F-35 jets from the United States which it has long sought, at a time when senators from both sides of the aisle seek to limit sales of weapons to traditional Gulf allies, concerned over their human rights records and involvement in the Yemen war.

 

The makers of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

In many ways “The Abraham Accords” amount to an arms deal. The U.A.E. and other states that now engage with Israel will find themselves armed with a better class of American weaponry.

 

The Morocco-Israel deal makes this even more likely, because it apparently came bundled with a $1 billion arms package for Morocco that includes long-endurance surveillance drones and precision-guided missiles and bombs that the Moroccan military could use in Western Sahara.

 

Of course, Trump's concession to Morocco has nothing to do with North African security and everything to do with burnishing Trump's reputation by scoring diplomatic victories on behalf of Israel. Already this year, he has induced the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan to normalize relations with Israel by offering generous U.S. arms sales and political concessions.

 

 

 

Why did you hide for everyone that all the Agreements with the Arab countries were linked with hefty US arms deals?

 

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1 hour ago, singalion said:

 

Where is the evidence?

 

The recent media reporting says Trump did not donate all of his presidential salary.

 

 

There is no evidence for Trump having donated ALL his salary!

 

Please come with evidence and not just your usual strategy of merely repeating the same item and alleging things without any substantiation.

 

We no longer accept at BW if you just post a response with no substantiation and evidence.

 

Otherwise we just take your post as alternative fact creation (= posting untruths) and fiction .

 

 


We all know how bias the media are because they simply cannot match Obama and Biden not donating any of their salaries to charity while Trump did. There is no evidence to suggest Trump did not fail to donate all of his salary. If anything it is just nip-picking words to catch him. It is clear Biden and Obama did not bother to donate their salaries. 

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Maybe because Obama (and Biden) had (have) a smarter and long term strategy to conclude peace in the Middle East with Israel and the Arabs instead of just doing some boost my image before elections show the sort of Trump?

 

Rushing such crucial things with neglecting the long term effects is surely not a wise political strategy.

 

The Agreements will not achieve peace in Israel if you don't focus on the real issues of the conflict.

Morocco, Bahrein and Sudan have shown in the past that they simply stepped out of such agreements previously done.

 

Why should the news of the arms deals be fake? Google yourself and you will find the facts. And why should I be lying if I even post media reports on these arms deals.

It is evident again that you simply had not been aware of these joint arms deals in exchange for the three agreements with Israel.

Thanks for this, because it demonstrates to everyone at BW that you don't do any background research.

 

The arms deals weaken position of Israel actually, because the army of the Arabs is getting stronger compared to the Israeli defence forces, Israel's superiority in arms and military will dwindle.

 

What is if Obama (why always need to pull in Biden, he was only Vice President under Obama?) did not get the support from Israel during his term? Netanyahu was quite hard to crack on any change of policy.

 

Was the shifting of the US embassy to Jerusalem by Trump a Quid Pro Quo imposed by Israel on the US? Do we know this yet.

We might need to wait 30 years until the info is released.

 

 

 

All in all as an outsider and Non US citizen, I think you should not judge presidents simply just on their political party affiliation. That is the wrong approach in my personal view and reflects immaturity.

 

 


It is just your opinion that the arms deals weaken the position of Israel and instead of recognising it is due to the incompetence of Obama and Biden administration that they had 8years but cannot achieve peace deals, u instead frame that they are ‘smarter’. Further, u can dig and dig and dig in your witch hunt to find faults with peace deals simply because they are done by Trump administration. 
 

You and the rest suffering from Trump derangement syndrome just cannot accept the historic achievements made by Trump administration. Anything positive Trump administration did, you all just go on mindless witch hunts putting on microscopes to inspect and dissect and twist them into tragedies.
 

Ironically u can tell people not to judge presidents simply just on their political party affiliation. When people point out the multiple failures of the current Biden administration, u will call them slogans and repeat and repeat.
 

We are 8months into the Biden administration and we still have the media making extensive coverage of Trump and his associates. When it comes to coverage of Biden’s policies failures, they are next to none. Why is Nancy Pelosi not opening an inquiry into why White House is not disclosing who is paying Hunter Biden’s artwork? 

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We all know how bias the media are because they simply cannot match Obama and Biden not donating any of their salaries to charity while Trump did. There is no evidence to suggest Trump did not fail to donate all of his salary. If anything it is just nip-picking words to catch him. It is clear Biden and Obama did not bother to donate their salaries. 

 

You miss the point that it doesn't make the Trump presidency any better if he donated parts of his salary...

 

There is no obligation for Presidents to donate their salary.

 

What point are you trying to make?

 

 

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It is just your opinion that the arms deals weaken the position of Israel and instead of recognising it is due to the incompetence of Obama and Biden administration that they had 8years but cannot achieve peace deals, u instead frame that they are ‘smarter’. Further, u can dig and dig and dig in your witch hunt to find faults with peace deals simply because they are done by Trump administration. 
 

You and the rest suffering from Trump derangement syndrome just cannot accept the historic achievements made by Trump administration. Anything positive Trump administration did, you all just go on mindless witch hunts putting on microscopes to inspect and dissect and twist them into tragedies.
 

Ironically u can tell people not to judge presidents simply just on their political party affiliation. When people point out the multiple failures of the current Biden administration, u will call them slogans and repeat and repeat.
 

We are 8months into the Biden administration and we still have the media making extensive coverage of Trump and his associates. When it comes to coverage of Biden’s policies failures, they are next to none. Why is Nancy Pelosi not opening an inquiry into why White House is not disclosing who is paying Hunter Biden’s artwork? 

 

I don't think I have any Trump derangement syndrome.

 

It is much too early to talk about any "historic" achievements by Trump (if any).

 

Just wonder why so many people worldwide were talking that Trump disrupted the world eco system.

 

The Biden administration is just simply 6 months in power...

What you name failures are just different policy directions. Only because you dislike the direction it doesn't mean it is a failure.

 

What problems do you have with Pelosi and the art work of Hunter Biden? Is this in any case relevant?

 

You sound very much like you blindly follow and approve EVERYTHING what Trump has been doing and is doing...  if that is not the real syndrome?

 

 

 

 

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Anything positive Trump administration did, you all just go on mindless witch hunts putting on microscopes to inspect and dissect and twist them into tragedies

 

 

If you didn't suffer from this Trump blindness trauma and memory loss, you would have noted the point I found positive in Trump's moves...   but you need to go back some pages in this thread...

 

 

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We all know how bias the media are because they simply cannot match Obama and Biden not donating any of their salaries to charity while Trump did. There is no evidence to suggest Trump did not fail to donate all of his salary. If anything it is just nip-picking words to catch him. It is clear Biden and Obama did not bother to donate their salaries. 

 

Your usual standard template response and non creative reply...

 

Media is always biased in your view...

 

But there is various evidence that Trump did not donate ALL of his salary!

 

Are you denying that the reports in the media that Trump failed to donate his last part of salary from 2020/2021 are correct?

 

Trump with his bloated EGO would have been the first to tell us that he donated all...  but as he is keeping silent.

You can draw different conclusions.

Mystery of $220,000 of Trump’s presidential salary that he promised to donate but disappeared


 
July 30, 2021

 

https://news.yahoo.com/mystery-220-000-trump-presidential-125812534.html

 

 

A new report has raised questions about whether former President Donald Trump really donated his salary toward the end of his time in office, as he repeatedly did earlier in his term. Mr Trump pledged to make the donations during his campaign, in an effort to demonstrate his supposed vast wealth and that he couldn’t be bought off as a politician.

Like clockwork, Mr Trump made a spectacle of donating his salary, including cutting a check emblazoned with his bold-lettered signature. In February 2018, then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao accepted the check in the White House briefing room. In March of the same year, Mr Trump boasted of the donations, calling it “a lot of money”.

But as The Washington Post reported on Friday, it’s unclear whether the money kept flowing at the end of the Trump administration.

 

“Trump’s White House never said where – or even if – he donated the last $220,000 of his salary, covering the final six months of 2020 and the first 20 days of 2021,” reported the Post’s David Fahrenthold, who has scrupulously tracked Mr Trump’s personal and corporate finances.

 

Mr Trump’s last donation, according to the report, was made to the National Parks Service on 23 July 2020.

It’s unclear whether Mr Trump opened his wallet after that. More than a dozen federal agencies were mum on whether they received a final gift. Spokespeople for Mr Trump promised to get back to the Post on the matter, but then failed to follow up.

 

Mr Trump is not one to let a good deed go unnoticed, so it would seem unlikely that he would quietly donate to a federal agency. And, as the Post, reported, Mr Trump is still receiving a government pension – which the former president has not pledged to donate.

 

 

 

If you can't bring any evidence that Trump donated ALL of his presidential salary, then you should not claim otherwise.

 

 

 

 

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We are 8months into the Biden administration and we still have the media making extensive coverage of Trump and his associates. When it comes to coverage of Biden’s policies failures, they are next to none.

 

It is 6 months and some days...

 

Oh , come on!

As if in the US the media would not directly jump on any failed policy or administrative decision by any President and publicly slaughter any President?

 

Maybe the fact that the US media is not covering any "failures" on Biden's policy is a big hint that there are none major missteps.

 

And eventually, you should take this as another hint that your personal views do not correspond with the real scenario but are just your personal fiction and imagination (or in the worst results of political manipulation). 

 

I have not seen any media in any country that would not immediately jump on any failures of Prime Ministers, Presidents etc like vultures on dead animals...

 

 

 

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On 8/4/2021 at 11:52 PM, 7heaven said:

If a President who used to own a law firm before he got elected, and pass the firm to be run by other people when he is the President, the president will still earn money from his firm depending on his ownership agreement. What’s the issue with it?

The issue is 100% clear. A President can not make money outside the Presidency. That is US law. His assets have to be put into a blind trust - meaning they are controlled by outsiders with no connection to him. And that means family members can be nowhere near them. Obama did that, Biden has done that. Trump did not and never did do that. During his Presidency he made a great deal of money from the properties with his name on them, particularly the Trump International Hotel in Washington (which he leased on a 60-year sweetheart deal from the government and gained over $200 million in tax credits). For example, the Saudi Government leases an entire floor. Funny that his first ever overseas visit was to Saudi Arabia!

 

Even more surprising, that hotel opened at the time of the 2016 election. Just in time, in other words, for all those wishing to curry favour with Trump to impress him by staying there. Despite that, the terms of the Lease deal under which Trump gained the old Post Office building are very clear: "No elected official of the government shall be permitted to any  share of part of this lease or to any benefit that may arise thereof." That's pretty clear, is it not? Trump broke the law.

 

But there is more. Now that he is no longer President, guess what? He has put that lease for the Trump International Hotel up for resale. He instructed Jones Lang LaSalle to put it on the market for $500 million. Oops! No takers. Insiders reckon the closet bid was for less than $250 million. I believe it is still on the market.

 

On 8/4/2021 at 11:52 PM, 7heaven said:

Obama also visits Hawaii his home state from Washington where White House is which is further from Florida or New York which is home state of Trump. Nobody seems to be counting how much extra jet fuel for Air Force One Obama is spending on tax payers money for these trips.

What are you talking about? Clearly not facts! During his presidency, Obama took eight vacations to Hawaii, one for each year in office. The total cost of the use of Air Force One, its attendant fighters, security and all the other hoopla cost taxpayers US$87 million or thereabouts. He mostly weekended in Washington or at the Presidential week-end retreat nearby at Camp David.

 

Have you the faintest clue how much Trump spent? Obviously not. So let me give you an idea. In his first 4-day Independence Day break at Mar a Lago in 2016 even before he was inaugurated as President, the cost to the taxpayers was US$7 million. But that is before the state of Florida and Palm Beach's costs in additional security and other measures are added to the mix. These cost an extra US$250,000.  And how many times did Trump spend at Mar a Lago when he could just as easily and at infinitesimal cost to tax payers have spent the week-ends at Camp David, as did Obama and many other Presidents? Check the facts. Trump visited Mar a Lago no less than 134 times - yes, 134 times - during his entire one 4-year term.

 

Now let's do some maths. Assuming each stay was for an average of only 3 days, it is easy using the earlier accurate figure of $7 million for 4 days, to approximate that Trump cost the taxpayer for the privilege of staying at his own property something in the region of US$700 million over 4 years. That's before the inflated amounts he charged the Secret Service and other personnel for the rooms which they had to occupy! Again that is before the extra security costs borne by the good taxpayers in that area.

 

And you climb the wall about the jet fuel incurred by Obama? It was a tiny fraction of what Trump spent in half the time. The total costs of Obama's visits to Hawaii were less than $90 million over 8 years. Had Obama also served only one term, his costs would have been less than 6.5% of Trump's. So please be a great deal more careful when you trot out facts in future. Make sure they are facts and not fiction.

 

Oh, and by the way. Mar a Lago was not the only Trump property Trump visited during his time in office. Remember how after announcing he was running for President Trump criticised Obama for spending far too much time on the golf course when he should have been working. "He played more golf than Tiger Woods," was Trump's put down of Obama.  He then made a point of stating to the media and the public that he on the other hand "would rarely leave the White House".

 

Well, how many times did Trump play golf while rarely leaving the White House? He played a round of golf once every 4.92 days. Obama? Once ever 8.77 days. And all Trump's outings were to Trump Properties. He travelled more than 104 times to Bedminster, 92 times to West Palm Beach and 91 times to his Club outside Washington D. C. Yet more Trump Properties making loads more cash when this is illegal under US legislation! So that's another Trump lie laid to rest.

 

Oh and whlle we are on the business of fake facts, you make another. 

 

On 8/5/2021 at 12:17 AM, 7heaven said:

 Trump got out of the mess created by Obama in the Iran deal. Who in the right mind will think by giving Iran billions as part of the deal will somehow convince them to drop their nuclear weapon ambitions? Iran is huge, are Obama and Biden able to check every spot of Iran to ensure they are not developing nuclear weapons while taking US money? 
 

These billions of dollars are paid for US tax payers. Why aren’t they spent on infrastructure in US? Right now, Biden is wading back into more mess by potentially giving Iran billions again only to be played out by them.

In 1980 as the long siege of the US Embassy in Tehran was going on, President Crater ordered about $100 billion of Iran's assets to be frozen. Much of that cash was unfrozen and returned to Iran a year later. Part of the 2015 JCPOA Nuclear Accord agreed between Iran and several other nations - the USA, China, Russia, the UK, France and Germany - spelled out that if Iran carried out its part of the initial deal, certain sanctions would be lifted and more of Iran's frozen cash unfrozen. Something like $3 billion was initially unfrozen. Not a dime of this was taxpayers' money from any of the six nations. It was all Iranian money. After the JCPOA was in effect and the International Atomic Energy Agency had certified that Iran had not been making nuclear weapons, a further $100 million was paid. To suggest this was all paid by Obama and Biden is totally false. It was paid by a group of countries. To suggest it was taxpayers' money that could have been used for other things is also totally false. 

 

And who was it who wasted all that cash when he immediately and unilaterally cancelled the JCPOA without any negotiation with the other parties and certainly without their agreement. It was Trump - and thus is was Trump who ensured that $3 billion went right down the drain into whatever Iran wanted to do with it.

 

So when you bring up history, it really would be helpful to readers if you stated actual facts and rather than making up fake news. Thank you.

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The issue is 100% clear. A President can not make money outside the Presidency. That is US law. His assets have to be put into a blind trust - meaning they are controlled by outsiders with no connection to him. And that means family members can be nowhere near them. Obama did that, Biden has done that. Trump did not and never did do that. During his Presidency he made a great deal of money from the properties with his name on them, particularly the Trump International Hotel in Washington (which he leased on a 60-year sweetheart deal from the government and gained over $200 million in tax credits). For example, the Saudi Government leases an entire floor. Funny that his first ever overseas visit was to Saudi Arabia!

 

Even more surprising, that hotel opened at the time of the 2016 election. Just in time, in other words, for all those wishing to curry favour with Trump to impress him by staying there. Despite that, the terms of the Lease deal under which Trump gained the old Post Office building are very clear: "No elected official of the government shall be permitted to any  share of part of this lease or to any benefit that may arise thereof." That's pretty clear, is it not? Trump broke the law.

 

But there is more. Now that he is no longer President, guess what? He has put that lease for the Trump International Hotel up for resale. He instructed Jones Lang LaSalle to put it on the market for $500 million. Oops! No takers. Insiders reckon the closet bid was for less than $250 million. I believe it is still on the market.

 

What are you talking about? Clearly not facts! During his presidency, Obama took eight vacations to Hawaii, one for each year in office. The total cost of the use of Air Force One, its attendant fighters, security and all the other hoopla cost taxpayers US$87 million or thereabouts. He mostly weekended in Washington or at the Presidential week-end retreat nearby at Camp David.

 

Have you the faintest clue how much Trump spent? Obviously not. So let me give you an idea. In his first 4-day Independence Day break at Mar a Lago in 2016 even before he was inaugurated as President, the cost to the taxpayers was US$7 million. But that is before the state of Florida and Palm Beach's costs in additional security and other measures are added to the mix. These cost an extra US$250,000.  And how many times did Trump spend at Mar a Lago when he could just as easily and at infinitesimal cost to tax payers have spent the week-ends at Camp David, as did Obama and many other Presidents? Check the facts. Trump visited Mar a Lago no less than 134 times - yes, 134 times - during his entire one 4-year term.

 

Now let's do some maths. Assuming each stay was for an average of only 3 days, it is easy using the earlier accurate figure of $7 million for 4 days, to approximate that Trump cost the taxpayer for the privilege of staying at his own property something in the region of US$700 million over 4 years. That's before the inflated amounts he charged the Secret Service and other personnel for the rooms which they had to occupy! Again that is before the extra security costs borne by the good taxpayers in that area.

 

And you climb the wall about the jet fuel incurred by Obama? It was a tiny fraction of what Trump spent in half the time. The total costs of Obama's visits to Hawaii were less than $90 million over 8 years. Had Obama also served only one term, his costs would have been less than 6.5% of Trump's. So please be a great deal more careful when you trot out facts in future. Make sure they are facts and not fiction.

 

Oh, and by the way. Mar a Lago was not the only Trump property Trump visited during his time in office. Remember how after announcing he was running for President Trump criticised Obama for spending far too much time on the golf course when he should have been working. "He played more golf than Tiger Woods," was Trump's put down of Obama.  He then made a point of stating to the media and the public that he on the other hand "would rarely leave the White House".

 

Well, how many times did Trump play golf while rarely leaving the White House? He played a round of golf once every 4.92 days. Obama? Once ever 8.77 days. And all Trump's outings were to Trump Properties. He travelled more than 104 times to Bedminster, 92 times to West Palm Beach and 91 times to his Club outside Washington D. C. Yet more Trump Properties making loads more cash when this is illegal under US legislation! So that's another Trump lie laid to rest.

 

Oh and whlle we are on the business of fake facts, you make another. 

 

In 1980 as the long siege of the US Embassy in Tehran was going on, President Crater ordered about $100 billion of Iran's assets to be frozen. Much of that cash was unfrozen and returned to Iran a year later. Part of the 2015 JCPOA Nuclear Accord agreed between Iran and several other nations - the USA, China, Russia, the UK, France and Germany - spelled out that if Iran carried out its part of the initial deal, certain sanctions would be lifted and more of Iran's frozen cash unfrozen. Something like $3 billion was initially unfrozen. Not a dime of this was taxpayers' money from any of the six nations. It was all Iranian money. After the JCPOA was in effect and the International Atomic Energy Agency had certified that Iran had not been making nuclear weapons, a further $100 million was paid. To suggest this was all paid by Obama and Biden is totally false. It was paid by a group of countries. To suggest it was taxpayers' money that could have been used for other things is also totally false. 

 

And who was it who wasted all that cash when he immediately and unilaterally cancelled the JCPOA without any negotiation with the other parties and certainly without their agreement. It was Trump - and thus is was Trump who ensured that $3 billion went right down the drain into whatever Iran wanted to do with it.

 

So when you bring up history, it really would be helpful to readers if you stated actual facts and rather than making up fake news. Thank you.


 

Have a read about the Iran. 


https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-iran-terrorism/


https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/white-house/477666-obama-should-apologize-for-shameful-cash-payment-to-iran%3famp

 

For those who wanted to curry favour him in 2016, was it within his control? They are taking a calculated risk because he could have lost the election. And as a political outsider and the amount of negative news and polls about his chances, it would have been a long shot for him to win at that time.
 

Next, if u claim that Trump has broken the law, let’s wait for DOJ or AG to launch an investigation then. Until then, he has not broken the law as what u claimed. 
 

It will good to provide sources of your information on the costs of the trips to prove the facts. All the calculations u made were based on your assumptions and u go on great depths to characterise extra spending by Trump. Next, it is well known he golfs a lot and discuss business at the same time before taking office. For those golfing trips that he made, it would be mixture of pleasure and work.
 

Think again, why would trump having been a successful businessman want to enter politics and become the president? Would it be because he wanted to enrich himself and his family? 

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On 8/7/2021 at 4:50 PM, singalion said:

 

It is 6 months and some days...

 

Oh , come on!

As if in the US the media would not directly jump on any failed policy or administrative decision by any President and publicly slaughter any President?

 

Maybe the fact that the US media is not covering any "failures" on Biden's policy is a big hint that there are none major missteps.

 

And eventually, you should take this as another hint that your personal views do not correspond with the real scenario but are just your personal fiction and imagination (or in the worst results of political manipulation). 

 

I have not seen any media in any country that would not immediately jump on any failures of Prime Ministers, Presidents etc like vultures on dead animals...

 

 

 


Lol. It has already been concluded that most of the media are pro-Democrats. Why would they report about any missteps by the Democrat President that will tarnish his reputation and his party? 
 

When Trump nominated Amy Barrett and few attended the event got Covid , the media characterised it as super spreader event. Recently, when the Texas Democrats came to Washington to visit Kamala and Nancy Pelosi, several of them contracted Covid too, did the media characterise it as a super spreader event? 
 

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It will good to provide sources of your information on the costs of the trips to prove the facts. All the calculations u made were based on your assumptions and u go on great depths to characterise extra spending by Trump. Next, it is well known he golfs a lot and discuss business at the same time before taking office. For those golfing trips that he made, it would be mixture of pleasure and work.

 

Think again, why would trump having been a successful businessman want to enter politics and become the president? Would it be because he wanted to enrich himself and his family? 

Before I provide my evidence, since you are the one who first made your fictitious claims without evidence, perhaps you will provide yours first. After all you have made a great many claims with nothing to back them up. Anyway, most of them are not true! So I would like to see the sources for your fictions. 

 

Oh, so he was doing business on those golf trips? Are you seriously that naive? What business was he doing when his partners were the professional golfers Jack Niklaus or Tiger Woods or Rory McIlroy or Hideki Matsuyama or Ernie Els or Dustin Johnson or 14-year old Allan Kournikova, or several major NBA stars? Business? Not business, that's for sure. Perhaps an ego trip more like. Anyway a lot of people did not want to play with Trump. As 15-time LGPA winner Suzann Pettersen who played many times with Trump pointed out, "He cheats like hell!" Besides, if he was doing business, could not Obama have been doing business when he played golf? As so often, you fail to prove your statement.

 

Do your research. Trump has never been a successful businessman. He has made some money but he has done it in, shall we say, weird and wonderful, ways. Only with his reality TV show did he make money. His Atlantic City casinos crumbled and he went bankrupt. When his 77 acre Manhattan Riverside South investment was about to put him back into bankruptcy court in the early 1990s, he was rescued when a consortium of Hong Kong Chinese investors bailed him out. The group was led by Henry Cheng of the New World Group and Vincent Lo of the Shui On Group. They took over his debts and agreed to give him 30% of the profits. Then the majority Chinese shareholders sold the property for US$1.76 billion. It was the largest real estate deal in New York history and represented a vast profit. What did Trump do? He did what he always does. He claimed he had not been consulted and could have done a better deal. Then he sued the consortium for US$1 billion. It was just a total joke. Trump lost the case. Look it up. Now he hates all Chinese and all because they got the better of him in a deal.

 

Resorting to law suits is Trump's tactic. He learned that from the sleazeball Roy Cohn, a closet homosexual lawyer who taught him all the dirty tricks in the business. I suggest you look him up too!

 

How much money has be made on his North East of Scotland Links golf course which he was desperate to build. Nothing! It has been open since 2012 and has raked up only very substantial losses. When bidding for the land he promised he'd construct two courses, create 6,000 jobs, build timeshare flats and housing estates. 9 years later there is just one course which is open only 7 months of the year! According to Bloomberg, he has created only 93 jobs. The residents never wanted the course as that part of Scotland has plenty. Besides, there was a danger - that has been realised - that Trump's course would damage the eco system of the sand dunes. 

 

When under construction, the workers broke a crucial pipe that connected the home of farmer Michael Forbes and his mother Molly to their only source of drinkable water. Their water thereafter was poisoned. For drinkable water, 92-year old Molly had to collect water in a stream in buckets in a wheelbarrow. For four whole years. All requests to Trump and his son Eric to have the pipe repaired were never answered. Eric Trump then tried to buy them out. He bullied them in the media and in other ways. They still refused to sell. When law suits got as far as the Scottish parliament, it agreed Trump was responsible and had to make restitution. He dd not do so and has never done so! "Never trust Trump," claims Molly Forbes.

 

This reinforces claims from his contractors at his Atlantic City casinos who were rarely paid the contracted amount for their work. Trump and his aides would argue and argue and then offer a reduced amount. In Atantic City his name is as muddy as the water coming out of the Forbes' water pipe in Scotland. As for his Las Vegas property, he has consistently used illegal undocumented labour in menial jobs and pays below the minimum wage. He's a cheapskate, a liar and increasingly comes across as an idiot.

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Before I provide my evidence, since you are the one who first made your fictitious claims without evidence, perhaps you will provide yours first. After all you have made a great many claims with nothing to back them up. Anyway, most of them are not true! So I would like to see the sources for your fictions. 

 

Oh, so he was doing business on those golf trips? Are you seriously that naive? What business was he doing when his partners were the professional golfers Jack Niklaus or Tiger Woods or Rory McIlroy or Hideki Matsuyama or Ernie Els or Dustin Johnson or 14-year old Allan Kournikova, or several major NBA stars? Business? Not business, that's for sure. Perhaps an ego trip more like. Anyway a lot of people did not want to play with Trump. As 15-time LGPA winner Suzann Pettersen who played many times with Trump pointed out, "He cheats like hell!" Besides, if he was doing business, could not Obama have been doing business when he played golf? As so often, you fail to prove your statement.

 

Do your research. Trump has never been a successful businessman. He has made some money but he has done it in, shall we say, weird and wonderful, ways. Only with his reality TV show did he make money. His Atlantic City casinos crumbled and he went bankrupt. When his 77 acre Manhattan Riverside South investment was about to put him back into bankruptcy court in the early 1990s, he was rescued when a consortium of Hong Kong Chinese investors bailed him out. The group was led by Henry Cheng of the New World Group and Vincent Lo of the Shui On Group. They took over his debts and agreed to give him 30% of the profits. Then the majority Chinese shareholders sold the property for US$1.76 billion. It was the largest real estate deal in New York history and represented a vast profit. What did Trump do? He did what he always does. He claimed he had not been consulted and could have done a better deal. Then he sued the consortium for US$1 billion. It was just a total joke. Trump lost the case. Look it up. Now he hates all Chinese and all because they got the better of him in a deal.

 

Resorting to law suits is Trump's tactic. He learned that from the sleazeball Roy Cohn, a closet homosexual lawyer who taught him all the dirty tricks in the business. I suggest you look him up too!

 

How much money has be made on his North East of Scotland Links golf course which he was desperate to build. Nothing! It has been open since 2012 and has raked up only very substantial losses. When bidding for the land he promised he'd construct two courses, create 6,000 jobs, build timeshare flats and housing estates. 9 years later there is just one course which is open only 7 months of the year! According to Bloomberg, he has created only 93 jobs. The residents never wanted the course as that part of Scotland has plenty. Besides, there was a danger - that has been realised - that Trump's course would damage the eco system of the sand dunes. 

 

When under construction, the workers broke a crucial pipe that connected the home of farmer Michael Forbes and his mother Molly to their only source of drinkable water. Their water thereafter was poisoned. For drinkable water, 92-year old Molly had to collect water in a stream in buckets in a wheelbarrow. For four whole years. All requests to Trump and his son Eric to have the pipe repaired were never answered. Eric Trump then tried to buy them out. He bullied them in the media and in other ways. They still refused to sell. When law suits got as far as the Scottish parliament, it agreed Trump was responsible and had to make restitution. He dd not do so and has never done so! "Never trust Trump," claims Molly Forbes.

 

This reinforces claims from his contractors at his Atlantic City casinos who were rarely paid the contracted amount for their work. Trump and his aides would argue and argue and then offer a reduced amount. In Atantic City his name is as muddy as the water coming out of the Forbes' water pipe in Scotland. As for his Las Vegas property, he has consistently used illegal undocumented labour in menial jobs and pays below the minimum wage. He's a cheapskate, a liar and increasingly comes across as an idiot.


Great, we can just dismiss anything we disagree with with anyway most of them are not true. So much of the untruths apparently told by Trump and fact-checked by fact checkers have an inherent flaw; we automatically assume the fact-checkers are always correct. We don’t question these fact-checkers, who are paying them and whether they have political affiliations. Has anyone met a fact-checker in person? 
 

Are u that naive to think or assume all the golf trips were with Jack Niklaus or Tiger Woods or Rory McIlroy or Hideki Matsuyama or Ernie Els or Dustin Johnson or 14-year old Allan Kournikova, or several major NBA stars? If he were discussing business, and even he announced it, would the media be objective and cover it properly? Lol. I have been searching for a positive article put up by CNN, NYT, Washington Post, MSNBC and gang and so far it’s been disappointing. 
 

I did not say Obama cannot talk business during his golf trips. 
 

All those examples you listed are your own definitions or examples of not being a successful businessman. To many others, they may consider him extremely successful. He is the richest US President so far but that’s besides the point. 
 

The world needs more leaders like Trump who has the courage to do what’s right for his country and not be politically correct. It bears no logic that he ran for President at age of 70, having never been in politics all his life prior to running for office and has loads of money to retire peacefully. Why did he have to put himself through this? He saw something is wrong with his country, with Obama’s and other past administrations and wanted to fix it. Nobody gave him a chance to win, and thought Hillary would coast to victory. But they got a rude shock. The media party and the Dems and their deranged supporters smeared his administration for 4 years even joking he won’t last 100days or would resign within the first year among other ridiculously mean things. And even now, 8months into Biden’s administration, no media seem to be interested in covering the multiple failures of Biden’s policies, chief among them is the border crisis and  surging lawlessness across the US with the overblown defund the police slogans. 

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John Kerry’s gas-guzzling family jet has taken 16 trips this year alone

By Emily Crane

August 5, 2021 | 3:13pm
 

 

The gas-guzzling private jet owned by climate czar John Kerry’s family has already taken 16 flights this year alone, online records show.

 

Flight Aware data indicates the most recent flight on Kerry’s family jet was on Wednesday when it traveled from Idaho’s Friedman Memorial Airport to Boston.

 

 


It is not immediately clear who charted the plane on any of the 16 flights this year.

 

A State Department spokesperson said Kerry — who is Biden’s climate envoy and is tasked with trying to lower greenhouse gas emissions — wasn’t on any of the flights this year.

 

“Secretary Kerry travels commercially or via military air in his role as Special Presidential Envoy for Climate,” the spokesperson said.

The State Department would not comment on whether Kerry or his wife financially benefit from Flying Squirrel LLC.

Kerry has faced intense scrutiny in the past for defending his use of a private jet while preaching to the nation and the world about reducing emissions.
 

After he was criticized for taking the jet to receive a climate award in Iceland in 2019, Kerry said: “If you offset your carbon, it’s the only choice for somebody like me who is traveling the world to win this battle.”

He added, at the time, that he didn’t have time to sail the seas but did not address the fact he had the option of flying commercial airlines that transport hundreds of passengers at a time.

“I believe the time it takes to get me somewhere, I can’t sail across the ocean. I have to fly to meet with people and get things done,” Kerry said.
 

“But what I’m doing, almost full time, is working to win the battle of climate change and in the end if I offset and contribute my life to do this, I’m not going to be put on the defensive.”

Private jets have been estimated to emit upward of 40 times as much carbon per passenger as commercial flights.

 

Best part of that Fox news article was :

 

It is not immediately clear who charted the plane on any of the 16 flights this year.

A State Department spokesperson said Kerry — who is Biden’s climate envoy and is tasked with trying to lower greenhouse gas emissions — wasn’t on any of the flights this year.

 

This is this typically used in the manner" We actually don't have the facts on hand, but prefer to smear dirt first, in the case if."

Exactly the same what Trump was using all the time against people who weren't his best friends...

 

But most important:

You really have a talent to embarrass yourself too often.

 

Just tell me how your allegations against Kerry on environmental issues by taking commercial flights stand with your repeated support of building the Keystone XL pipeline?

 

You are totally contradicting yourself at one hand blaming Kerry on using flights for his appointments or even private matters alleging Kerry is damaging the environment but ignoring or totally whitewashing the environmental impact of the Keystone XL pipeline.

 

Following your logic, Kerry is indeed rescuing jobs by taking flights, in your below reasoning that was more important. Why do you then post blame on Kerry?

 

On 1/23/2021 at 2:27 PM, Guest Logical (original) said:

 

They can seek alternative employment but in this high unemployment climate, it is easier said than done. 

 

Joe Biden with a stroke of a pen just caused thousands of people to lose their jobs, and he did so less than 1 week into the job. He was so irresponsible and didn't even have a plan to help these workers transit to another job before cancelling the Keystone pipeline. 

 

How is speaking out about causing massive loss of jobs looking out for petty faulty? 

 

I have already acknowledged the extraction from oil sands are harmful to the environment but by stopping the pipeline it doesn't resolve much as the oil sands are extracted in Canada, not US. Oil sands will continue to be extracted and sent by alternative transportation means like trucks and rail and ships as long as demand is there. These transportation may more harmful to the environment than pipelines.

 

On 8/6/2021 at 8:13 PM, 7heaven said:

and cancelling Keystone gas pipeline resulting in loss of jobs in US. 

 

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3 hours ago, 7heaven said:

It will good to provide sources of your information on the costs of the trips to prove the facts. All the calculations u made were based on your assumptions and u go on great depths to characterise extra spending by Trump.

 

Above said by someone who rarely supports any of his unproven statements plastered into BW. ...

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3 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

Best part of that Fox news article was :

 

It is not immediately clear who charted the plane on any of the 16 flights this year.

A State Department spokesperson said Kerry — who is Biden’s climate envoy and is tasked with trying to lower greenhouse gas emissions — wasn’t on any of the flights this year.

 

This is this typically used in the manner" We actually don't have the facts on hand, but prefer to smear dirt first, in the case if."

Exactly the same what Trump was using all the time against people who weren't his best friends...

 

But most important:

You really have a talent to embarrass yourself too often.

 

Just tell me how your allegations against Kerry on environmental issues by taking commercial flights stand with your repeated support of building the Keystone XL pipeline?

 

You are totally contradicting yourself at one hand blaming Kerry on using flights for his appointments or even private matters alleging Kerry is damaging the environment but ignoring or totally whitewashing the environmental impact of the Keystone XL pipeline.

 

Following your logic, Kerry is indeed rescuing jobs by taking flights, in your below reasoning that was more important. Why do you then post blame on Kerry?

 

 

 


Read carefully, the  article talked about 2 things, one was the 16 trips on the private jet made by John Kerry’s wife and family. Next thing was the trip to Iceland on his private jet to receive a climate award; what a big irony. 

What other facts u need? The private jet is owned by John Kerry’s family and it’s used 16times so far, on average twice per month.  If John Kerry is truly an advocate of climate issues, he should walk the talk and sell the private jet. 
 

Am I the special envoy like John Kerry is? Pipeline is safer than ships and rail. The oil transported by pipeline would otherwise be transported by rail and ship and these need to burn fuel to run to. They don’t run on water or air. Don’t these ships and rail emit greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming? 

 

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Great, we can just dismiss anything we disagree with with anyway most of them are not true. So much of the untruths apparently told by Trump and fact-checked by fact checkers have an inherent flaw; we automatically assume the fact-checkers are always correct. We don’t question these fact-checkers, who are paying them and whether they have political affiliations. Has anyone met a fact-checker in person? 
 

 

You repeated that so many times ad nausea.

 

Strangely, these fact checkers from different backgrounds and sources and even different political affiliations come to the same results.

 

What doesn't fit your pro Trump narrative is in your view always bias, cannot be trusted, having flaws bla bla bla.

 

Plenty of the fact checks are done by Universities who are independent and have their own scientists working on the checks. Most of the media outlets don't even use their own resources to fact check but academic institutions.

 

You need to tell the readers here why 30 different fact checkers on Trump came up with the same results???

 

 

 

 

 

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Read carefully, the  article talked about 2 things, one was the 16 trips on the private jet made by John Kerry’s wife and family. Next thing was the trip to Iceland on his private jet to receive a climate award; what a big irony. 

What other facts u need? The private jet is owned by John Kerry’s family and it’s used 16times so far, on average twice per month.  If John Kerry is truly an advocate of climate issues, he should walk the talk and sell the private jet. 
 

Am I the special envoy like John Kerry is? Pipeline is safer than ships and rail. The oil transported by pipeline would otherwise be transported by rail and ship and these need to burn fuel to run to. They don’t run on water or air. Don’t these ships and rail emit greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming? 

 

 

But you are still contradicting yourself...

 

Why hit on Kerry when Trump's whole policy was totally not environmental friendly.

What was Trump's  view and policy on climate change and the Paris Agreement??? Forgot?

 

And did Trump take a sailing boat to meet Kim Yong Un in Singapore and Vietnam?

 

Why do you hit then on Kerry?

Jealous because he was successful to gather 100 world leaders in such a short time to discuss climate change action?

 

The existing Keystone pipelines are leaking and already damaging the environment, nobody with some common sense would build another pipeline that would endanger more nature and spill oil into the environment.

 

Scroll back it was all said there already.

 

Nobody needs this dirty oil which shall be transported with the Keystone XL and which is polluting the whole area.

 

 

 

 

For starters, extracting oil from Alberta’s oil sands, which contain bitumen (tar), a dense type of petroleum, takes a lot of energy. Most of Canada’s tar sands oil is trapped beneath boreal forest — only 20 percent of the oil is located near the earth’s surface, where it can be easily mined, which means the forest must be cleared for the most intensive mining.

 

The majority of the oil is mined by injecting hot water into wells 75 meters below ground to liquefy the oil for pumping, which is why tar sands oil has a reputation for being among the dirtiest types of oil.

 

Many Indigenous rights groups and people from communities along the proposed route argued the pipeline extension would have disastrous impacts for Native communities in Alberta: A lot of the water used to help extract oil from Alberta’s oil sands comes from the Athabasca River. Studies have linked leaks from oil sands pipelines like Keystone XL to significant degradation of nearby land and water resources.

 

A major concern is tailings ponds, the product of toxic waste from mining in the tar sands that can sicken communities and wildlife that depend on the land to survive.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, 7heaven said:

 If John Kerry is truly an advocate of climate issues, he should walk the talk and sell the private jet. 
 

 

 

 

And how about Trump? Does he walk the talk?

 

Did Trump sell all polluting vehicles and planes?

 

 

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3 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Why would they report about any missteps by the Democrat President that will tarnish his reputation and his party? 

 


This is not correct .

 

On some points even your favourite newspaper the New York Times was critical on Biden.

 

It is not that they are all approving what Biden is doing.

 

What you repeat here as "missteps" of Biden are maybe not that crucial. That is why the media does not spend much focus on these points raised (mostly by your right wing media n Fox).

 

 

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Did Joe Biden reveal how much his son Hunter Biden’s artwork are sold for and who are buying them? And what gov role has Hunter Biden got when he flew to China in Air Force 2 when Biden was the VP. 

U can just make things up about Trump like most of the trump deranged people. 
 

Joe Biden’s current climate envoy John Kerry is tragically hypocritical in asking people to save the earth but his wife and family on the other hand is making multiple trips on private jets! 
 

Private jets emit 40times more carbon per passenger compared with commercial jets. Such unnecessary carbon emissions contribute to global warming. What double standards. Is Nancy Pelosi going to convene an injury to investigate his hypocrisy? 
 

John Kerry’s gas-guzzling family jet has taken 16 trips this year alone

By Emily Crane

August 5, 2021 | 3:13pm
 

 

The gas-guzzling private jet owned by climate czar John Kerry’s family has already taken 16 flights this year alone, online records show.

 

Flight Aware data indicates the most recent flight on Kerry’s family jet was on Wednesday when it traveled from Idaho’s Friedman Memorial Airport to Boston.

 

Trips were also made earlier this week between Idaho and California.

Kerry and his wife Teresa have vacationed in Idaho’s Sun Valley for decades, local media reports say.

 

Earlier records, obtained by Fox News, also show the jet has flown multiple times within Massachusetts since January, including to Martha’s Vineyard and Boston.

Two trips were between Massachusetts and New Jersey.

 

It is the same plane linked to the Flying Squirrel LLC charter company that Kerry listed as one of his assets in financial disclosures when he was secretary of state.


It is not immediately clear who charted the plane on any of the 16 flights this year.

A State Department spokesperson said Kerry — who is Biden’s climate envoy and is tasked with trying to lower greenhouse gas emissions — wasn’t on any of the flights this year.

 

“Secretary Kerry travels commercially or via military air in his role as Special Presidential Envoy for Climate,” the spokesperson said.

The State Department would not comment on whether Kerry or his wife financially benefit from Flying Squirrel LLC.

Kerry has faced intense scrutiny in the past for defending his use of a private jet while preaching to the nation and the world about reducing emissions.
 

After he was criticized for taking the jet to receive a climate award in Iceland in 2019, Kerry said: “If you offset your carbon, it’s the only choice for somebody like me who is traveling the world to win this battle.”

He added, at the time, that he didn’t have time to sail the seas but did not address the fact he had the option of flying commercial airlines that transport hundreds of passengers at a time.

“I believe the time it takes to get me somewhere, I can’t sail across the ocean. I have to fly to meet with people and get things done,” Kerry said.
 

“But what I’m doing, almost full time, is working to win the battle of climate change and in the end if I offset and contribute my life to do this, I’m not going to be put on the defensive.”

Private jets have been estimated to emit upward of 40 times as much carbon per passenger as commercial flights.

 

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/08/05/john-kerrys-private-family-jet-took-16-trips-this-year-alone/amp/

 

 

The whole intent of this Fox article was to give  Kerry a bad image by

 

alleging without any real evidence  or facts on hand:

 

a) Kerry is profiting for state trips from his own flight carrier

 

b) discrediting him as a climate envoy because he takes commercial flights for his missions.

 

 

Do you think we are not sufficiently intelligent to see the intent from this Fox article on Kerry?

 

 

Maybe it would be interesting to find out how many commercial and private flights the author of the article took...

 

 

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He is the richest US President so far but that’s besides the point. 
 

 

That we will decide once his taxes are open and are seen in public...

 

the other question would be, does the fact someone is rich, make him to a good president?

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2 hours ago, InBangkok said:

This reinforces claims from his contractors at his Atlantic City casinos who were rarely paid the contracted amount for their work. Trump and his aides would argue and argue and then offer a reduced amount. In Atantic City his name is as muddy as the water coming out of the Forbes' water pipe in Scotland. As for his Las Vegas property, he has consistently used illegal undocumented labour in menial jobs and pays below the minimum wage. He's a cheapskate, a liar and increasingly comes across as an idiot.

 

The Atlantic Casino failure by Trump and how he cheated contractors and workers was already covered some pages earlier at this thread.

 

Same for him being caught various times in having employed illegal immigrants by the authorities.

 

Trump is such a successful business man that no American owned bank wanted to give him any money...

 

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48 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

You repeated that so many times ad nausea.

 

Strangely, these fact checkers from different backgrounds and sources and even different political affiliations come to the same results.

 

What doesn't fit your pro Trump narrative is in your view always bias, cannot be trusted, having flaws bla bla bla.

 

Plenty of the fact checks are done by Universities who are independent and have their own scientists working on the checks. Most of the media outlets don't even use their own resources to fact check but academic institutions.

 

You need to tell the readers here why 30 different fact checkers on Trump came up with the same results???

 


You repeated that so many times ad nausea.

 

Strangely we should believe you that universities doing the fact checks are automatically independent. And still we should assume the magical 30 fact checkers coming up the same results are automatically correct. You should tell readers here who are funding these ‘fact checkers’. 

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44 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

But you are still contradicting yourself...

 

Why hit on Kerry when Trump's whole policy was totally not environmental friendly.

What was Trump's  view and policy on climate change and the Paris Agreement??? Forgot?

 

And did Trump take a sailing boat to meet Kim Yong Un in Singapore and Vietnam?

 

Why do you hit then on Kerry?

Jealous because he was successful to gather 100 world leaders in such a short time to discuss climate change action?

 

The existing Keystone pipelines are leaking and already damaging the environment, nobody with some common sense would build another pipeline that would endanger more nature and spill oil into the environment.

 

Scroll back it was all said there already.

 

Nobody needs this dirty oil which shall be transported with the Keystone XL and which is polluting the whole area.

 

 

 

 

For starters, extracting oil from Alberta’s oil sands, which contain bitumen (tar), a dense type of petroleum, takes a lot of energy. Most of Canada’s tar sands oil is trapped beneath boreal forest — only 20 percent of the oil is located near the earth’s surface, where it can be easily mined, which means the forest must be cleared for the most intensive mining.

 

The majority of the oil is mined by injecting hot water into wells 75 meters below ground to liquefy the oil for pumping, which is why tar sands oil has a reputation for being among the dirtiest types of oil.

 

Many Indigenous rights groups and people from communities along the proposed route argued the pipeline extension would have disastrous impacts for Native communities in Alberta: A lot of the water used to help extract oil from Alberta’s oil sands comes from the Athabasca River. Studies have linked leaks from oil sands pipelines like Keystone XL to significant degradation of nearby land and water resources.

 

A major concern is tailings ponds, the product of toxic waste from mining in the tar sands that can sicken communities and wildlife that depend on the land to survive.

 

 


Trump is not Biden’s special envoy on climate issues. Why suddenly divert the attention to Trump when we are talking about John Kerry’s hypocrisy? This is the typical strategy used by supporters of Democrats or those who are suffering from Trump derangement syndrome; midway examining and critiquing  Biden’s failed policies; defence and distraction and digression 101-> trump’s fault or trump is worse, Biden inherited crisis from trump. Lol. 
 

This is plainly obvious here; we were discussing about Biden’s special climate envoy John Kerry’s double standards and hypocrisy in asking for support of climate change but his wife and family still riding in their own private jet and himself ironically took his private jet to Iceland to get an climate related award, but u suddenly turned your attention away to something else. 

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41 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

The whole intent of this Fox article was to give  Kerry a bad image by

 

alleging without any real evidence  or facts on hand:

 

a) Kerry is profiting for state trips from his own flight carrier

 

b) discrediting him as a climate envoy because he takes commercial flights for his missions.

 

 

Do you think we are not sufficiently intelligent to see the intent from this Fox article on Kerry?

 

 

Maybe it would be interesting to find out how many commercial and private flights the author of the article took...

 

 


The evidence and facts are there. Just because it reflects badly on Joe Biden and John Kerry don’t make it false. If the article is not true, why didn’t the State Department said John Kerry and his family has nothing to do with the the private jet in question? 
 

Again, the writer of the article is not Biden’s special climate envoy. Don’t distract and digress. We should examine John Kerry and his family usage of private jet. 
 

Foxs is doing an excellent job to examine Biden’s administration policies, failures and hypocrisies when the rest of media are still stuck with smearing Trump. 

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48 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

That we will decide once his taxes are open and are seen in public...

 

the other question would be, does the fact someone is rich, make him to a good president?


And we should expect to see who are buying up Hunter Biden’s artworks. Oh wait, we can’t because Joe Biden’s whitehouse won’t disclose. 
 

Nobody is making the assumption a rich person makes a good president in the same way nobody is saying being nearly 50years in politics of which 8 as VP makes a good president. 

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27 minutes ago, 7heaven said:

You repeated that so many times ad nausea.

 

No it was the first time I wrote this! 

 

1 hour ago, singalion said:

 

You repeated that so many times ad nausea.

 

Strangely, these fact checkers from different backgrounds and sources and even different political affiliations come to the same results.

 

What doesn't fit your pro Trump narrative is in your view always bias, cannot be trusted, having flaws bla bla bla.

 

Plenty of the fact checks are done by Universities who are independent and have their own scientists working on the checks. Most of the media outlets don't even use their own resources to fact check but academic institutions.

 

You need to tell the readers here why 30 different fact checkers on Trump came up with the same results???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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