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Trump calls for Biden to resign over Taleban takeover of Afghanistan

 

It was under Mr Trump that the US brokered a deal with the Taleban in Doha in 2020 that would have seen the US withdraw all its troops by May 2021, in exchange for various security guarantees from the militants.

 

When Mr Biden took power earlier this year, he pushed back the deadline for the withdrawal and set no conditions for it.

 

 

Return to power of movement’s co-founder embodies Afghanistan’s inability to escape history of conflict

 

The Guardian: Sun 15 Aug 2021

Abdul Ghani Baradar, the Taliban leader freed from a Pakistani jail on the request of the US less than three years ago, has emerged as an undisputed victor of the 20-year war.

While Haibatullah Akhundzada is the Taliban’s overall leader, Baradar is its political chief and its most public face. He was said to be on his way from his office in Doha to Kabul on Sunday evening. In a televised statement on the fall of Kabul, he said the Taliban’s real test was only just beginning and that they had to serve the nation.

 

Baradar’s return to power embodies Afghanistan’s inability to escape the bloody shackles of its past. The story of his adult life is the story of the country’s unceasing, pitiless conflict.

Born in Uruzgan province in 1968, he fought in the Afghan mujahideen against the Soviets in the 1980s. After the Russians were driven out in 1992 and the country fell into civil war between rival warlords, Baradar set up a madrassa in Kandahar with his former commander and reputed brother in law, Mohammad Omar. Together, the two mullahs founded the Taliban, a movement spearheaded by young Islamic scholars dedicated to the religious purification of the country and the creation of an emirate.

 

Fuelled by religious fervour, widespread hatred of the warlords and substantial support from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency, the Taliban swept to power in 1996 after a series of stunning conquests of provincial capitals that took the world by surprise, just as the movement has done in recent weeks. Baradar, Mullah Omar’s deputy who was widely believed to be a highly effective strategist, was a key architect of those victories.

Baradar played a succession of military and administrative roles in the five-year Taliban regime, and by the time it was ousted by the US and its Afghan allies, he was deputy minister of defence.

During the Taliban’s 20-year exile, Baradar had the reputation of being a potent military leader and a subtle political operator. Western diplomats came to view him as on the wing of the Quetta Shura – the Taliban’s regrouped leadership in exile – that was most resistant to ISI control, and most amenable to political contacts with Kabul.

 

The Obama administration, however, was more fearful of his military expertise than it was hopeful about his supposedly moderate leanings. The CIA tracked him down to Karachi in 2010 and in February of that year persuaded ISI to arrest him.

“The capture of Baradar was predominantly instigated because of his role in the war rather than because of the likelihood that he was going to suddenly make peace,” a former official said. “The fact is, the Pakistanis held on to him all those years in large part because the United States asked them to.”

 

In 2018, however, Washington’s attitude changed and Donald Trump’s Afghan envoy, Zalmay Khalilzad, asked the Pakistanis to release Baradar so he could lead negotiations in Qatar, based on the belief that he would settle for a power-sharing arrangement. “I had never seen any real substantiation of that point, but it just took on a kind of mythic idea,” the former official said.

 

Baradar signed the Doha agreement with the US in February 2020, in what the Trump administration hailed as a breakthrough towards peace but which now appears a mere staging post towards total Taliban victory.

The US and Taliban agreement not to fight each other was supposed to be followed by power-sharing talks between the Taliban and the Kabul government of Ashraf Ghani. Those talks stumbled along with little progress, and it is clear now that Baradar and the Taliban were playing for time, waiting for the Americans to leave and preparing a final offensive.

Baradar’s life has taught him patience and confidence in ultimate victory.

 

=> The Trump agreement was a bad deal and Trump was duped by the Taliban!

 

 

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On 8/16/2021 at 1:58 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Hahahahaha! So still trying to pin everything to Donald Trump now, even when it was Biden himself who pulled the trigger? Didn't see you thank Donald Trump for putting in money to do the R&D work on the COVID-19 vaccine...

 

March 7, 2020,

Trump himself acknowledged that reality in extraordinary comments Friday, saying the Taliban could "possibly" overrun the Afghan government after U.S. troops withdraw.

"Countries have to take care of themselves," Trump told reporters at the White House. "You can only hold someone's hand for so long." Asked if the Taliban could eventually seize power, Trump said it's "not supposed to happen that way, but it possibly will."

 

April 19, 2021

 

Former President Donald Trump on Sunday expressed support for pulling U.S. military forces out of Afghanistan, calling a withdrawal "wonderful and positive," but pushed back on President Biden's September 11 deadline for leaving the country.

 

Mr. Trump said in a statement he believes the U.S. should leave Afghanistan earlier than when Mr. Biden has called for, and took credit for laying the groundwork for American troops to leave the country before September 11, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that launched the U.S. into its longest war.

 

 

Sun 15 Aug 2021, The Guardian:

Republican Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader who long ago mislaid his personal moral compass, gave a foretaste last week. Biden, he said, was guilty of “wishful thinking” and lacked a “concrete plan”. Such hypocrisy is mind-blowing. The original decision to cut and run was Donald Trump’s and was backed by Republicans. That does not stop them exploiting the crisis to discredit him.

 

 

 

 

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On 8/16/2021 at 2:30 PM, singalion said:

 

March 7, 2020,

Trump himself acknowledged that reality in extraordinary comments Friday, saying the Taliban could "possibly" overrun the Afghan government after U.S. troops withdraw.

"Countries have to take care of themselves," Trump told reporters at the White House. "You can only hold someone's hand for so long." Asked if the Taliban could eventually seize power, Trump said it's "not supposed to happen that way, but it possibly will."

 

April 19, 2021

 

Former President Donald Trump on Sunday expressed support for pulling U.S. military forces out of Afghanistan, calling a withdrawal "wonderful and positive," but pushed back on President Biden's September 11 deadline for leaving the country.

 

Mr. Trump said in a statement he believes the U.S. should leave Afghanistan earlier than when Mr. Biden has called for, and took credit for laying the groundwork for American troops to leave the country before September 11, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that launched the U.S. into its longest war.

 

 

Sun 15 Aug 2021, The Guardian:

Republican Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader who long ago mislaid his personal moral compass, gave a foretaste last week. Biden, he said, was guilty of “wishful thinking” and lacked a “concrete plan”. Such hypocrisy is mind-blowing. The original decision to cut and run was Donald Trump’s and was backed by Republicans. That does not stop them exploiting the crisis to discredit him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/16/2021 at 2:12 PM, singalion said:

=> The Trump agreement was a bad deal and Trump was duped by the Taliban!


It’s very ironic that Biden on Day 1 as President can reverse all the effective policies Trump put in place to stop illegal immigrants from pouring into US, but in the case of the agreement with Taliban, Biden somehow loses the ability to think for himself and blindly continued with the agreement made by Trump administration and Taliban?  
 

If Biden and his smart and competent advisors feel that Trump was duped by Taliban, why didn’t they take actions to reverse the agreement? 
 

Additionally, Trump pulled out of Paris Agreement and WHO, but Biden rejoined them back when he became President. 
 

But suddenly now with the Taliban agreement, Biden cannot take charge and reverse it? Is Biden reporting to Trump now? Or is Biden administration too incompetent? 

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On 8/16/2021 at 2:30 PM, singalion said:

 

March 7, 2020,

Trump himself acknowledged that reality in extraordinary comments Friday, saying the Taliban could "possibly" overrun the Afghan government after U.S. troops withdraw.

"Countries have to take care of themselves," Trump told reporters at the White House. "You can only hold someone's hand for so long." Asked if the Taliban could eventually seize power, Trump said it's "not supposed to happen that way, but it possibly will."

 

April 19, 2021

 

Former President Donald Trump on Sunday expressed support for pulling U.S. military forces out of Afghanistan, calling a withdrawal "wonderful and positive," but pushed back on President Biden's September 11 deadline for leaving the country.

 

Mr. Trump said in a statement he believes the U.S. should leave Afghanistan earlier than when Mr. Biden has called for, and took credit for laying the groundwork for American troops to leave the country before September 11, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that launched the U.S. into its longest war.

 

 

Sun 15 Aug 2021, The Guardian:

Republican Mitch McConnell, the Senate minority leader who long ago mislaid his personal moral compass, gave a foretaste last week. Biden, he said, was guilty of “wishful thinking” and lacked a “concrete plan”. Such hypocrisy is mind-blowing. The original decision to cut and run was Donald Trump’s and was backed by Republicans. That does not stop them exploiting the crisis to discredit him.

 

 

 

 

 

Hahahaha! Who pulled the trigger? Who summoned all the soldiers back from Afghanistan? Is it Trump, or is it Biden? Yes, sch hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

 

First you lost all your credibility and arguments on the Israel-Palestinian thread, and now you want to try gaining back some credibility here? Don't forget this: There are still Americans in Afghanistan right now. Biden's withdrawal of troops there might just be the direct cause of their deaths by gunfire in the coming days. 

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It is ironic that people here support every inch of Trump's policy and then when exacly one of Trump's flawed policies is finalised, they turn their flag and

blame the current President for what Trump exactly had done and put in place.

 

Further, ignoring the fact that Taliban is not keeping their promise and agreement not to attack the Afghan government before 31 August 2021.

 

 

 

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There you have it.. Demented Joe's poor handling of the Afghan war. The headline says it all. What an embarrassment!  American will definitely lose it's world leader status under demented Joe's watch in no time. 

 

Biden's 'America's Back' vow torched as Taleban overrun Kabul

 

Taleban fighters in Kabul, on Aug 15, 2021.Taleban fighters in Kabul, on Aug 15, 2021.PHOTO: NYTIMES

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WASHINGTON (BLOOMBERG) - Just last month, United States President Joe Biden defended his Afghanistan pullout by saying that "the likelihood there's going to be the Taleban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely".

 

The images of Taleban fighters inside the presidential palace in Kabul on Sunday (Aug 15), after a series of provincial capitals fell in rapid succession and the nation's President fled showed just how wrong Mr Biden's prediction has been.

Instead of an American-trained Afghan military staving off Taleban militants for months or longer, the US' longest war is ending with a hasty evacuation of diplomats from Kabul's airport.

 

Their sudden departure is raising difficult questions about Mr Biden's approach to the conflict, and creating a spiralling political calamity for a president who had promised to be a sure-handed steward of US foreign policy.

 

And while Americans were left recalling the harried final days of Saigon at the end of the Vietnam War, the US' biggest adversaries saw a potent sign of America's vulnerabilities and shaky claim to leadership after the tumult of the Trump years.

 

Even some close allies could not hide their frustration.

 

"Nobody wants Afghanistan, once again, to be a breeding ground for terror," British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Sunday.

 

"It's fair to say the US decision to pull out has accelerated things."

 

For Mr Biden, the collapse was a punishing blow that may only worsen with time.

The President had spent the early months of his administration basking in the glow of a ramped-up vaccination drive and budget and infrastructure deals meant to heal a struggling American economy.

 

The scenes out of Kabul will undermine those accomplishments.

"It couldn't look any worse, and that will have an impact," said Mr Charles Lister, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute.

 

"It's very easy to say Donald Trump set us up for this and we're just simply following through, but really any responsible leader who was listening to all of the advice he was getting would have taken a more measured approach."

 

For all the flaws in the deal former president Donald Trump signed with the Taleban last year - following talks in Qatar in which Afghan President Ashraf Ghani's government was sidelined - Mr Biden delayed the plan he inherited by just three months.

 

Then his administration seemed caught off guard when it became clear that Afghan translators and other allies who wanted to be evacuated were not going to be out of the country before US troops left.

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Domestically, the political outrage over Afghanistan's fall from Republicans was predictable - many didn't support Mr Trump's plans to withdraw, either - but Democrats were angry, too.

 

"Given the number of American lives lost and the number of soldiers who came back with life-changing injuries, it's devastating to watch 20 years of US support for the Afghanistan army amount to almost nothing," Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut said.

 

Senator Ben Sasse, a Nebraska Republican who often clashed with Mr Trump, said it was a "shameful, Saigon-like abandonment of Kabul".

'Decided to lose'

"History must be clear about this: American troops didn't lose this war - Donald Trump and Joe Biden deliberately decided to lose," Mr Sasse added.

 

With 6,000 US troops expected back in Afghanistan guarding its airport this week, Mr Biden will have much to answer for, including:

 

How could the US with all its military might and intelligence infrastructure so entirely fail to see how quickly the Taleban would take over the country? How could an Afghan military built up with more than US$80 billion (S$108.47 billion) in US taxpayer support collapse in just days?

 

After he announced his decision in April to withdraw forces by next month, Mr Biden said the US would maintain an "over the horizon" capability to step back into Afghanistan if needed to counter terrorists.

 

But America's mission in Afghanistan, realistically or not, was long pitched as being about more than going after the perpetrators of the Sept 11 attacks.

 

Aid workers and contractors, backed by American and North Atlantic Treaty Organisation military forces, poured billions of dollars into infrastructure projects and efforts to wean Afghan farmers off poppy production, the basis of the opium trade.

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ctwomen0816.jpg The foreign military presence also helped open up more space for girls and women. PHOTO: NYTIMES

The foreign military presence also helped open up more space for girls and women, whose plight under the Taleban's previous rule was roundly condemned and whose futures have never looked so precarious.

 

It was not just America's longest war, but a costly one as well - four presidents in succession spent nearly US$1 trillion on a far-off conflict that killed about 2,400 American soldiers, but none until now found a way to leave.

 

In justifying his withdrawal, Mr Biden said there was little to be gained from staying longer.

 

That was a perspective the Taleban knew they could capitalise on if they could sustain themselves. And over 20 years, they rebuilt themselves despite an American troop presence that swelled to 100,000 at one point.

"Ultimately, it's up to the Afghans themselves," Secretary of State Antony Blinken said on NBC's Meet the Press on Sunday.

"It's up to the Afghan government, it's up to the Taleban to decide the way forward for the country, including Kabul."

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In the end, the result was a US government looking like it got outplayed by Taleban leaders who told them what they wanted to hear: We'll stop killing Americans and you'll get your troops out.

Mr Trump's administration, in talks sealed by Secretary of State Michael Pompeo, agreed, and the deal was handed to Mr Biden when he took office.

"Everyone's passing around this burning bag of crap and if you didn't set it down, you didn't have to acknowledge what it was," said Dr Jason Dempsey, an adjunct senior fellow at the Centre for a New American Security who deployed twice to Afghanistan and once to Iraq.

"The bright spot in this day of calamity is a president finally being willing to take ownership of a foreign policy failure even if it wasn't his own design."

But, for the time being, as the Taleban re-entered Kabul and President Ghani went into exile, one conclusion seemed hard to avoid: Mr Biden's administration mismanaged a withdrawal that was always going to be complicated.

Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin insisted in a briefing to lawmakers on Sunday that US troops would have been attacked by the Taleban if they had not withdrawn.

But that only raised further questions about why the world's most potent military was being run out of the country by less well-armed insurgents.

"Ultimately, there was a way to handle this withdrawal responsibly, slowly - helping and guiding the Afghan security forces that America built up over 20 years - but Biden chose the quicker route, having lost patience with this war," said Dr Madiha Afzal, a Rubenstein Fellow at the Brookings Institution.

"That precipitousness served as the final straw, ending in what we have just witnessed, the rapid collapse of Afghanistan to the Taleban."

 

 

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Obama Didn't Negotiate With 'Terrorists' for Bergdahl

 

Sep 9, 2019

 

The GOP has several complaints about the controversial deal the Obama Administration negotiated with the Afghan Taliban for the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. Topping the list is the idea that President Barack Obama has violated a sacred rule: Never talk to terrorists.

 

 

U.S. responsible for collapse of Taliban peace talks, says Obama official

Sep 9, 2019

 

U.S. and Taliban representatives spent months negotiating peace and American withdrawal from Afghanistan. But after canceling meetings in the U.S., President Trump says the talks are dead.

 

 

 

 

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The U.S. Once Wanted Peace in Afghanistan

Now it’s setting its sights much lower.

February 29, 2020

A U.S. soldier stands at a post in Nangarhar province alongside an Afghan civilian.
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February 29, 2020
 

For George W. Bush, the goal was the destruction of al-Qaeda, the total defeat of the Taliban, and a “stable and free and peaceful” Afghanistan. For Barack Obama, it was a degraded Taliban that could be reasoned with but would have to renounce violence, respect women, and abide by the Afghan constitution. For Donald Trump, it was just a reduction in violence and a clear path to the door—the Afghans themselves would have to figure out the rest.

 

Over nearly two decades of war in Afghanistan, the United States government went from seeking to annihilate the Taliban, to meeting with them furtively, to negotiating with them openly, before, finally, signing a deal with them. And at each juncture, the expectations dropped.

 

The agreement the United States and the Taliban signed today is both truly momentous for happening at all and severely modest for what it contains. In essence, it extends a seven-day truce in which U.S. and Taliban forces refrained from attacking each other, calls for Afghans to talk among themselves, and lays out a plan for a U.S. withdrawal over 14 months. The U.S. isn’t going anywhere immediately, and neither is the Taliban; there’s not even a full cease-fire. Implicit in all of it is the larger recognition that, for the U.S., getting out of Afghanistan will mean lowering the bar.

 

 

Administration officials themselves seem determined to hold down expectations. “We’re not getting to a peace deal,” a senior administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said in a briefing days before Secretary of State Mike Pompeo went to Doha for the signing ceremony. “We’re getting to the start of a discussion about a political settlement, or a peace deal … But we are at the very, very beginning of this process.

 

The deal specifies that the U.S. will pull all its forces from the country in little over a year, provided the Taliban lives up to its end of the agreement. Yet the Taliban has managed to fudge even two key U.S. goals that remain: The group does not formally renounce al-Qaeda or formally recognize the Afghan government, instead saying that al-Qaeda can’t use Taliban territory to threaten the U.S. or its allies and that it will participate in intra-Afghan peace talks. Women will take part in those talks, but Pompeo said this month that it’s up to Afghans to decide how their rights would be protected—effectively dropping Obama-era demands from the agenda. (The Taliban, which has consistently demanded that the United States must leave immediately, has also fallen short of that goal: The deal says the U.S. will draw down to 8,600 troops within 135 days—bringing troop numbers back around to the level they were when Trump took office.)

 

This agreement may enshrine the more limited ambitions of the U.S. in Afghanistan, but, in fact, the bar lowering started not long after the war did, as three successive presidents searched for victory and instead found more violence. Indeed, American ambitions actually looked deceptively modest in 2001, because the war was supposed to be easy—an overthrow of the Taliban government then running Afghanistan, a bit of humanitarian help, and the election of a new friendly government to ensure that terrorists couldn’t use the country to attack the United States. But by 2006, the Taliban had launched an insurgency, and Bush wound down his presidency in 2008 by sending thousands more U.S. troops to the fight. By then, the most immediate goal was to “restore basic security”—a far cry from his earlier hopes for “a free and stable democracy.

 

Obama simultaneously raised resources—troop numbers went up from 31,000 at the end of the Bush administration to around 100,000 in 2010—and lowered expectations for what could be achieved. He spoke of the need simply to “disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qaeda” and prevent its return to Afghanistan. Around the same time, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton acknowledged that the administration was pursuing contacts with the Taliban, but insisted that any negotiations required the following outcomes: “Insurgents must renounce violence, abandon al-Qaeda, and abide by the constitution of Afghanistan, including its protections for women and minorities. If insurgents cannot meet those red lines, they will face continued and unrelenting assault.”

 

“Look, this is Afghanistan,” one anonymous American official told The New York Times in 2012. “Is it going to be Switzerland? No.” The paper noted at the time that the mantra around Washington was “Afghan good enough,” and that expectations for the central government in Kabul even to simply control all of Afghanistan’s territory had evaporated. Then National Security Adviser Tom Donilon just wanted “a degree of stability” to keep al-Qaeda from launching attacks, the Times reported, but even that was elusive. Lawrence Nicholson, the now-retired Marine lieutenant general who led a troop surge into the southern province of Helmand in 2009-2010, told me, “A lot of the areas that we had stabilized and cleared of Taliban went right back [to Taliban control] after we left … It was like pulling your hand out of a bucket of water.”

 

So Trump, when he came into office, was not unique in his desire to leave—and then became the third president in a row to decide to send more troops. “My original instinct was to pull out,” he said in 2017, “and historically, I like following my instincts.” But: “The consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable.” He offered no affirmative reason for staying, mentioning only the risks of leaving. Ensuring women’s rights was no longer part of the goal.

 

It still took Trump’s envoy Zalmay Khalilzad more than a year of negotiations to get a deal. Last fall, the U.S. and the Taliban were on the verge of signing an agreement when Trump pulled out, citing an American soldier’s death in Kabul. He revealed in a tweet that he had scrapped an extraordinary plan to host Taliban representatives at Camp David, along with the Afghan president, within a few days of the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

 

This time it’s just Pompeo in Doha and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper in Kabul, though Trump said last week he would have been perfectly willing to sign the agreement himself. The deaths of two U.S. servicemen in Afghanistan this month didn’t derail the talks; they died not in a Taliban attack, but at the hands of an Afghan in army uniform. Those men brought to six the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan this year—now 2,348 over the course of the conflict. Some 43,000 Afghan civilians have died, by one estimate; Afghan security forces were dying at a rate of about 9,000 a year for four years until 2018; then the U.S. military said casualties were higher in 2019 but classified the statistics.

 

The senior administration official who held the briefing on the deal ahead of time acknowledged “a healthy skepticism in many quarters” about it and even highlighted risks. “Nobody sees an increasing return on violence in Afghanistan,” the official said. “It may be that circumstances don’t play out the way we want [them] to. But we do believe this is the very best chance.”

 

That chance relies on the trustworthiness of the Taliban. Even in the group’s recent appeals to a U.S. public that may be just as eager for its troops to leave Afghanistan as the Taliban is to drive them out, Taliban representatives have refused to acknowledge al-Qaeda’s responsibility for the September 11 attacks. Last September, a Taliban spokesman told CBS that “still it is not known” who was behind those attacks. Just this month, the Taliban’s deputy head declared in a Times op-ed, “Reports about foreign groups in Afghanistan are politically motivated exaggerations by the warmongering players on all sides of the war.”

 

Robert Grenier was the CIA station chief in Islamabad when the U.S. invaded Afghanistan—almost 20 years ago, he tried to prevent the war by the same means Trump is now trying to end it: negotiating with the Taliban. Grenier tried to persuade a Taliban official to give up Osama bin Laden and possibly stop the invasion altogether. But even with the threat of a U.S. invasion bearing down, his interlocutor could not get the movement to sever ties with al-Qaeda or hand over bin Laden. “What’s unusual about my perspective is I’ve been willing to deal with these people,” Grenier told me recently. He said he feared that the president Trump was seeking a face-saving way out of the conflict, and was relying too much on the word of the Taliban—a fundamentalist group—to protect the world from radicals they’ve shown no inclination to renounce, let alone control. He said, “I have no reason to believe that this is a decent agreement.”

 

 

 

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The aftermath resulted from the shitty mess created by the USA war on Afghanistan after it has forsaken and abandoned the country just like what it has done to Vietnam during the exit of Saigon decades ago. World leader my ass !!

 

Kabul airport mobbed as Afghans make a desperate dash to exit

 

The bedlam at the airport came just hours after Taleban leaders ordered their fighters into Kabul to maintain order. The bedlam at the airport came just hours after Taleban leaders ordered their fighters into Kabul to maintain order.PHOTO: AFP

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KABUL (AFP) - United States troops fired shots into the air and all commercial flights were cancelled at Kabul airport on Monday (Aug 16) as thousands of Afghans crowded onto the tarmac in the hope of catching any flight out after the weekend Taleban takeover.

Dramatic footage posted on social media showed a scene of chaos on the runway, with civilians frantically clambering up an already overcrowded and buckling set of air-stairs.

 

It was a desperate bid to board a parked passenger plane and escape the city a day after the government's collapse.

 

As a crowd of hundreds watched on, those who successfully climbed the stairs helped others up, while some hung from the stair railings by their hands.

 

Panicked families trying to flee the capital carried overpacked luggage, with frightened children in tow.

 

The situation caused such a commotion that US troops fired into the air to restore order and all commercial flights were cancelled.

 

"I feel very scared here. They are firing lots of shots into the air," the witness said, asking not to be named in case it jeopardised his chances of leaving.

 

The US State Department said American troops had secured the perimeter of the airport as they evacuate embassy employees and thousands of Afghans who worked for Washington's interests since they toppled the Taleban in the wake of the Sept 11 attacks.

The US embassy in Kabul tweeted to tell American nationals and Afghans to "not travel to the airport".

 

But thousand more Afghans - even some with no links to the US-led coalition - showed up in the hope of getting out, even without tickets or visas for foreign destinations.

 

The bedlam at the airport came just hours after Taleban leaders ordered their fighters into Kabul to maintain order as Afghan President Ashraf Ghani fled the country.

"We are afraid to live in this city and we are trying to flee Kabul," said a 25-year old man who also asked to be identified only as Ahmed.

 

Many of the arrivals were fuelled by rumours, or fake news spread on social media.

 

"I read on Facebook that Canada is accepting asylum from Afghanistan," said Ahmed.

 

"Since I served in the army... there is danger. The Taleban would definitely target me."

 

The US said it had evacuated its entire embassy staff to the airport, but they were being kept separate from those without permission to travel.

Other videos posted on social media also showed desperate scenes overnight of people fighting to cram into the back of a cargo plane.

 

Outside of the airport, an uneasy calm held over Kabul as armed Taleban insurgents patrolled the streets and set up checkpoints.

In a message posted to social media, Taleban co-founder Abdul Ghani Baradar called on his fighters to remain disciplined after taking control of the city.

 

"Now it's time to test and prove, now we have to show that we can serve our nation and ensure security and comfort of life," he said.

 

The scenes at the airport were reminiscent of the chaos that enveloped Washington's earlier bungled escape from Vietnam in 1975, even as Washington swatted away the comparison.

 

"This is not Saigon," US Secretary of State Antony Blinken told a broadcaster on Sunday.

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History will be of judge of the cowardice and irresponsible acts committed by the a**hole self proclaimed world leader,  the infamous USA on Afghanistan and its people  !!

 

 

 

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US Embassy in Kabul instructs Americans to 'shelter in place' amid reports of gunfire at airport

USA TODAY, August, 15, 2021

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/15/us-embassy-evacuated-blinken-defends-us-withdrawal-afghanistan/8141842002/

 

Rep. Liz Cheney, Republican:

 

"We've now created a situation where, as we get to the 20th anniversary of 9/11, we are surrendering Afghanistan to the terrorist organization that housed al-Qaida," Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said on ABC. 

 

Cheney said that Biden's decision to withdrawal all U.S. forces is catastrophic but that he is not solely to blame. She noted that former President Donald Trump and former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo set the withdrawal in motion after signing a deal with the Taliban, under which the group agreed to renounce its ties to al-Qaida and the U.S. agreed to drawdown all forces.

 

Cheney recalled that Trump had even invited Taliban leaders to the U.S. for secret meetings at Camp David, although he later canceled that session. 

 

"They [Trump] walked down this path of legitimizing the Taliban, of perpetuating this fantasy, telling the American people that the Taliban were a partner for peace," Cheney said. "President Trump told us that the Taliban was going to fight terror. Secretary Pompeo told us that the Taliban was going to renounce al-Qaida. None of that has happened."

 

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Wait sekarli they all want to go to USA by boat   .

 

 

And they all want to go high income , high welfare countries and drain their public coffers there, like Denmark , Sweden , Norway and UK.

 

Lart Tai Foo , I tell you. 

 

Australia, must be praying , dont ride refugee boat and come to our Big beautiful land. 

 

Lart Tai Foo.

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On 8/16/2021 at 3:44 PM, singalion said:

 

 

It is ironic that people here support every inch of Trump's policy and then when exacly one of Trump's flawed policies is finalised, they turn their flag and

blame the current President for what Trump exactly had done and put in place.

 

Further, ignoring the fact that Taliban is not keeping their promise and agreement not to attack the Afghan government before 31 August 2021.

 

 

 

It is ironic that people here support every inch of Biden's policy and then when exacly one of Biden's flawed actions is executed, they turn their flag andl blame the previous President for what Biden had done.

 

It is even more ironic that people here opposes every inch of Trump's policy and then when exacly one of Trump's policies such as the Covid-19 vaccine R&D efforts triumphs, they turn their flag and

credits the current President for what Trump exactly had done and put in place.

 

Further, ignoring the fact that, AFTER BIDEN STARTED PULLING OUT THE US MILITARY From AFGHANISTAN, Taliban is not keeping their promise and agreement not to attack the Afghan government before 31 August 2021. 

 

Just how many Americans in Afghanistan has to die in the gunfire, before people remember which President was the one who executed the military withdrawal from Afghanistan, when he need not have done so. 

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For years, the US sought an exit from Afghanistan.
 
Then-President Donald Trump signed a deal with the Taliban in February 2020 that limited direct military action against the insurgents.
 
That allowed the fighters to gather strength and move quickly to seize key areas when President Joe Biden announced his plans to withdraw all American forces by the end of this month.
 
 
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On 8/16/2021 at 5:49 PM, singalion said:

 

US Embassy in Kabul instructs Americans to 'shelter in place' amid reports of gunfire at airport

USA TODAY, August, 15, 2021

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/15/us-embassy-evacuated-blinken-defends-us-withdrawal-afghanistan/8141842002/

 

Rep. Liz Cheney, Republican:

 

"We've now created a situation where, as we get to the 20th anniversary of 9/11, we are surrendering Afghanistan to the terrorist organization that housed al-Qaida," Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said on ABC. 

 

Cheney said that Biden's decision to withdrawal all U.S. forces is catastrophic but that he is not solely to blame. She noted that former President Donald Trump and former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo set the withdrawal in motion after signing a deal with the Taliban, under which the group agreed to renounce its ties to al-Qaida and the U.S. agreed to drawdown all forces.

 

Cheney recalled that Trump had even invited Taliban leaders to the U.S. for secret meetings at Camp David, although he later canceled that session. 

 

"They [Trump] walked down this path of legitimizing the Taliban, of perpetuating this fantasy, telling the American people that the Taliban were a partner for peace," Cheney said. "President Trump told us that the Taliban was going to fight terror. Secretary Pompeo told us that the Taliban was going to renounce al-Qaida. None of that has happened."

 

 

HAHAHAHAHA! Already 200 days in the office, and they are still blaming Donald Trump? While we are at it, why don't we go all the way back 2 terms ago and blame Obama for not taking out the Taliban when he had the chance then? 

 

The pro-Biden camp is getting lamer and lamer by the day. Everyone except them can see that the President is SENILE

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USA TODAY Aug. 15, 2021

 

Would Afghanistan have been different under Trump?

 

Experts dispute Donald Trump's assertion that things would have turned out differently in Afghanistan if he were still in charge.

 

Oooooo... But Donald Trump is NOT in charge now, so we won't know if Afghanistan would have been different. And furthermore, when Donald Trump was in charge, the Taliban didn't have the guts to go takeover the capital the way they are doing now, when the person in charge is a senile old man Biden. Lol! 

 

On 8/16/2021 at 6:09 PM, singalion said:
 
Aug 16, 2021
 
For years, the US sought an exit from Afghanistan.
 
Then-President Donald Trump signed a deal with the Taliban in February 2020 that limited direct military action against the insurgents.
 
That allowed the fighters to gather strength and move quickly to seize key areas when President Joe Biden announced his plans to withdraw all American forces by the end of this month.
 
 

 

Yes, for years the American sough an exit out of Afghanistan but they did not. And look what happened the moment they exited Afghanistan after Biden instructed them to do so? It looks as if something bad must happen under Biden's watch, every one or two months he remains in office. 

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HAHAHAHAHA! Already 200 days in the office, and they are still blaming Donald Trump? While we are at it, why don't we go all the way back 2 terms ago and blame Obama for not taking out the Taliban when he had the chance then? 

 

The pro-Biden camp is getting lamer and lamer by the day. Everyone except them can see that the President is SENILE

 

The only senile one is you:

 

The remaining 2500 US soldiers in would have been just like raw meat thrown at lions in Afghanistan.

 

Your ignorance and lack of intellect doesn't see that Trump created the mess when that brilliant deal maker Trump

negotiated that dodgy deal with the Taliban in Feb 2020 and then reduced the numbers of soldiers to just 2500 in December 2020.

 

What should have Biden done?

Leave the US soldiers in a peril situation and serve as feed for the Taliban lions?

Or increase the numbers of soldiers to 30,000 again and fight the Taliban in the provinces they conquered since February 2021?

 

Who started the mess?

Who was the incompetent president?

No other than Trump.

 

What US president negotiated with dictators like Kim Yong Un  or Taliban terrorists?

 

Only Trump!

 

 

 

 

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The only senile one is you:

 

The remaining 2500 US soldiers in would have been just like raw meat thrown at lions in Afghanistan.

 

Your ignorance and lack of intellect doesn't see that Trump created the mess when that brilliant deal maker Trump

negotiated that dodgy deal with the Taliban in Feb 2020 and then reduced the numbers of soldiers to just 2500 in December 2020.

 

What should have Biden done?

Leave the US soldiers in a peril situation and serve as feed for the Taliban lions?

Or increase the numbers of soldiers to 30,000 again and fight the Taliban in the provinces they conquered since February 2021?

 

Who started the mess?

Who was the incompetent president?

No other than Trump.

 

What US president negotiated with dictators like Kim Yong Un  or Taliban terrorists?

 

Only Trump!

 

 

 

 


This is your usual strategy of deflection.
 

Biden could on Day 1 of his presidency reversed all of Trump’s policies at the border to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into US, rejoined Paris Agreement and WHO after Trump pulled US out. 

 

In this case, why didn’t Biden stop pulling out US troops from Afghanistan and cancel the deal Trump made with Taliban if he felt the deal was bad? Biden had 7months to evaluate and cancel the deal, but he didn’t. 
 

What or which President had the luxury of 7months to rethink about a bad deal with Taliban but still continued with that bad deal anyway? 
 

Only Joe Biden

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This is your usual strategy of deflection.
 

Biden could on Day 1 of his presidency reversed all of Trump’s policies at the border to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into US, rejoined Paris Agreement and WHO after Trump pulled US out. 

 

In this case, why didn’t Biden stop pulling out US troops from Afghanistan and cancel the deal Trump made with Taliban if he felt the deal was bad? Biden had 7months to evaluate and cancel the deal, but he didn’t. 
 

What or which President had the luxury of 7months to rethink about a bad deal with Taliban but still continued with that bad deal anyway? 
 

Only Joe Biden

 

I don't see any deflection. I just see reality and the situation as it was now following the massive withdrawal of US troops that started in early 2020.

 

We must take from your post that you had supported the US military mission in Afghanistan and that you are opposed to the withdrawal of US soldiers from Afghanistan and therewith stood against Trump's withdrawal strategy.

If not you would just contradict yourself.

 

Thanks for admitting that US presidents should not negotiate with terrorists or terrorists harbourers. Meaning your not in support with Trump who negotiated with Taliban.

 

Thanks for admitting that the Trump deal with Taliban was dodgy and should have never been made.

 

Thanks for also admitting that Trump's policy of rushing the withdrawal of US soldiers from Afghanistan was wrong.

 

 

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I don't see any deflection. I just see reality and the situation as it was now following the massive withdrawal of US troops that started in early 2020.

 

We must take from your post that you had supported the US military mission in Afghanistan and that you are opposed to the withdrawal of US soldiers from Afghanistan and therewith stood against Trump's withdrawal strategy.

If not you would just contradict yourself.

 

Thanks for admitting that US presidents should not negotiate with terrorists or terrorists harbourers. Meaning your not in support with Trump who negotiated with Taliban.

 

Thanks for admitting that the Trump deal with Taliban was dodgy and should have never been made.

 

Thanks for also admitting that Trump's policy of rushing the withdrawal of US soldiers from Afghanistan was wrong.

 

 


Your above post exactly shows deflection. We are now examining the current US President Biden policies and positions, and you are deflecting to analyse my position. 
 

Next, those blindly supporting Biden are now blaming Trump for signing the agreement with Taliban, causing the current mess. This is too rich.
 

Such blame is illogical and a deflection because Biden can always reverse or end the agreement with Taliban. He did it with the ending of Trump border policies to stop the influx of illegal immigrants, rejoined WHO and the Paris agreement (after Trump pulled US out) yet when it came to the Taliban agreement, he allowed it to continue. Why didn’t Biden cancel the Taliban agreement on Day 1 of his Presidency? 


The fact that Biden allowed it to continue shows that he supports dodgy deal and is fine with negotiating with terrorists.
 

Thanks for admitting Biden is either incompetent to see the Taliban agreement is flawed or he is complicit in supporting dodgy deal and is ok with negotiating with terrorists. 

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On 8/16/2021 at 6:23 PM, singalion said:

 

The only senile one is you:

 

The remaining 2500 US soldiers in would have been just like raw meat thrown at lions in Afghanistan.

 

Your ignorance and lack of intellect doesn't see that Trump created the mess when that brilliant deal maker Trump

negotiated that dodgy deal with the Taliban in Feb 2020 and then reduced the numbers of soldiers to just 2500 in December 2020.

 

What should have Biden done?

Leave the US soldiers in a peril situation and serve as feed for the Taliban lions?

Or increase the numbers of soldiers to 30,000 again and fight the Taliban in the provinces they conquered since February 2021?

 

Who started the mess?

Who was the incompetent president?

No other than Trump.

 

What US president negotiated with dictators like Kim Yong Un  or Taliban terrorists?

 

Only Trump!

 

Hahahahaha! And yet, Biden actually just sent 1000 troops into Afghanistan to aid in the evacuation! So does that mean that Biden, using YOUR words, has just thrown MORE raw meat at lions in Afghanistan? My oh my!

 

Or is this Trump's doing again? 

 

What should Biden done? He should have just let the situation remain as it is, instead of going around to stir shit like the way you do, by pulling the troops out from the place. Look what happens when the shit hits the fans now. Even the Americans were told to take shelter at site immediately with gunfire happening at the airport itself. 

 

Who started this mess?  U.S. had troops in Afghanistan since October 2001 under President George W. Bush, and Obama the party guy at Martha's Vineyard pretty much allowed them to stay there. But I guess it is still Donald Trump's fault, right? 

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Trump encouraged and egged on these country rednecks , but while he is vacc'd and lives in relative isolation from plebians, these country bums have to live with their stupid decisions of suspicion of vaccine and not getting vaccinated. 

I am glad I live in this part of the world and not the US.

 

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On 8/16/2021 at 2:43 PM, Guest Yas yas said:

 

Trump encouraged and egged on these country rednecks , but while he is vacc'd and lives in relative isolation from plebians, these country bums have to live with their stupid decisions of suspicion of vaccine and not getting vaccinated. 

I am glad I live in this part of the world and not the US.

 

 

For many years now the "survival of the fittest" is a respected theory.  

 

I am fine if society will let this theory play through and let the unfit idiots who refuse the vaccine cope with the consequences.  I would not mind if the medical profession gives a warning period, of say one month, beyond which it will not treat anymore covid patients who have not been vaccinated.  And insurance companies could join by dropping coverage of covid treatments after this month period to any insured that is not vaccinated for covid.   How to check for the vaccination status?  By detecting antibodies,  except in those immune compromised individuals where the vaccines have failed to produce these antibodies.

 

And since we are talking about "survival of the fittest",  I am in agreement with Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan.  The Afghan men have demonstrated now that they have ZERO survival skills, ZERO ability to defend themselves, either because they are weak, cowards, or because they are willing to put up or even welcome the Taliban regime.  And the Afghan women?  They are the ones who gave birth to the good-for-nothing Afghan men, maybe also brainwashed in Islamic religion.

 

Some UASaxxhole guest wrote in an earlier post:

 

"History will be of judge of the cowardice and irresponsible acts committed by the a**hole self proclaimed world leader,  the infamous USA on Afghanistan and its people  !! "

 

There is not one molecule of cowardice in the USA Nation.  We have perhaps the most experienced, trained and powerful military.  Our weakness lies in the significant proportion of the population who is uneducated, spoiled, malicious, with low moral and high expectations.  The Trump supporters and the anti-vaccine idiots belong to this group, and this is the reason our politics is so screwed up,  although some element of democracy prevails.  But those people in government, who make the big decisions, are often very incompetent because they are just demagogues. 

 

So we should never have stayed so long in this worthless country, or else we should have completely exterminated the Taliban.  America has lost TRILLIONS of dollars in Afghanistan and thousand of lives. We should get the hell out of there, without wasting one more dollar.  All the good intentions and humanitarian work could be wasted,  or hopefully we planted in the Afghan women some seed of urge for freedom. It is now in their hands to fight for their own country, either withholding pussy from their worthless men or poisoning them in their food!   

 

 

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And since we are talking about "survival of the fittest",  I am in agreement with Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan.  The Afghan men have demonstrated now that they have ZERO survival skills, ZERO ability to defend themselves, either because they are weak, cowards, or because they are willing to put up or even welcome the Taliban regime.  And the Afghan women?  They are the ones who gave birth to the good-for-nothing Afghan men, maybe also brainwashed in Islamic religion.

 

Some UASaxxhole guest wrote in an earlier post:

 

"History will be of judge of the cowardice and irresponsible acts committed by the a**hole self proclaimed world leader,  the infamous USA on Afghanistan and its people  !! "

 

There is not one molecule of cowardice in the USA Nation.  We have perhaps the most experienced, trained and powerful military.  Our weakness lies in the significant proportion of the population who is uneducated, spoiled, malicious, with low moral and high expectations.  The Trump supporters and the anti-vaccine idiots belong to this group, and this is the reason our politics is so screwed up,  although some element of democracy prevails.  But those people in government, who make the big decisions, are often very incompetent because they are just demagogues. 

 

So we should never have stayed so long in this worthless country, or else we should have completely exterminated the Taliban.  America has lost TRILLIONS of dollars in Afghanistan and thousand of lives. We should get the hell out of there, without wasting one more dollar.  All the good intentions and humanitarian work could be wasted,  or hopefully we planted in the Afghan women some seed of urge for freedom. It is now in their hands to fight for their own country, either withholding pussy from their worthless men or poisoning them in their food!   

That is one of the most racist and deplorable posts I have read in a very long time. 

 

The USA invades a country on the pretext of rooting out the terrorist Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda forces who had been given sanctuary by the ultra-militant Taliban regime. It fails. It cannot find bin Laden. Somehow its "most experienced, trained and powerful military" and all the latest technological equipment that comes with it just cannot find him. For an entire  decade it looks and looks and looks - and bin Laden cannot be found. And then? Guess what! It finds him. But not in the country it invaded. Instead he had been living for years in Pakistan - an ally of the USA.

 

In the meantime, with precious little knowledge of the country that is often called "The Graveyard of Empires", it embarks on its attempt at nation building, the same kind of disastrous policy it adopted with devastating effect in Iraq. That adventure was intended to rid Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction and bring democracy to a part of the world which had zero experience of democracy. The only problem was, as the USA policy makers knew well, there were no nuclear weapons. After Saddam had been deposed, the US administrator then disbanded the army. End result? The creation and rise of ISIS, an even greater militant Islamic threat than Al Qaeda. Yet more US billions spent trying to rid the world of this new Islamic caliphate. Add to that destabilisation of much of that part of the world that continues to this day - especially in Iran, Syria and Yemen. It was a devastating and failed war that ended up with hundreds of thousands of ordinary Iraqis dead and seriously wounded. 

 

Failing to accept that Afghanistan had been for centuries just a group of tribes and clans whose only glue was their strict adherence to islam, the USA repeated its Iraq mistakes by trying hard to change a nation into its own image. It freed women, got rid of the burka for those not wishing to continue wearing it, introduced education and jobs for women. it again tried democracy with almost no success. Then, the numbers who voted in the last election for President was minuscule. As all this was gong on it, by its own decision (one that had nothing to do with the Afghanis), it spent its own vast billions trying to create a more modern society with western ideas and reforms. and building defence forces that would keep the country stable. Again the end result? Warlords lining their pockets with US$. Military commanders lining their pockets with US$. Government ministers lining their pockets with US$. A government that flees the day after the President promises to stay. That act alone was enough to make military commanders and soldiers give up the fight. 

 

True - the role of women was radically changed and most will agree this was laudible. But does anyone seriously believe that the dreaded and loathed Taliban of the late 1990s and early 2000s are any different today after it has been hounded and beaten back over 20 years by foreign American forces? Women now have to wear the burka again, their education potential probably seriously limited to schooling until the age of 10 (according to the military Taliban on the ground). What would you  @Steve5380 as an American citizen say to these women? Sorry ladies. We opened the door to a bright new future for you where you will have an important place in society. Oh, and by the way, we now have to say "Bye bye" very quickly and you will be thrown back to the late 1990s not being able to do much more than marry one of our terrorists and bear his children? You are clearly happy with that as you leave an entire country desperately afraid for itsfuture.

 

Biden claimed last night that he had planned for every contingency. That is a total lie. He declared the date of departure in April. The US administration had a vast amount of time to plan to extricate all the up to 80,000 Afghanis who helped them through the previous 20 years. These Afghanis were promised safe haven. That safe haven is a total mirage. The USA did virtually nothing in the last few months to make it possible and less than 3,000 have been relocated to date. Those that are left are now targets for murder by the Taliban. But because the collapse came a minimum of six months before all those experts with all their vast technological hardware and know-how in the CIA advised it would happen, the USA will now have the deaths of most of those on its conscience. 

 

On 8/17/2021 at 5:48 AM, Steve5380 said:

So we should never have stayed so long in this worthless country, or else we should have completely exterminated the Taliban. America has lost TRILLIONS of dollars in Afghanistan and thousand of lives. We should get the hell out of there, without wasting one more dollar.

Did you write your views to your Senator and your Congressman over the last few years? Did you formally object to the USA deciding - no one else told it to do so, remember - to spend the estimated $2.26 trillion? Did you formally object to the nation building exercise so similar to that which failed so miserably in Iraq? My guess is you did not - note, "guess". Unlike your worthless and stupid description, no country is worthless. Are Afghanistan's 38 million people worthless? As worthless as 35 million in Iraq? As worthless as the roughly 40 million in Vietnam when the USA decided - again, you should remember that it was the USA's decision - to invade Vietnam? It is only worthless because you have little idea of its history and you take no interest in what the US has done to its people over the last 20 years. 

 

The USA's sudden departure from Vietnam was un unmitigated disaster still remembered today. Its attempts to now get out of Afghanistan is a mark of disgraceful shame that will remain with the USA for many years, if not decades. The photographs and videos of the  frightful scenes at Kabul airport yesterday, young men holding on to military transports taking off only to fall to their deaths, three Afghanis crushed as the plane taxied - all this was what will be remembered as Biden's orderly withdrawal. And when the USA wants local help in its next invasion, I suspect few will believe its honeyed words "we'll look after you!"

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And since we are talking about "survival of the fittest",  I am in agreement with Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan.  The Afghan men have demonstrated now that they have ZERO survival skills, ZERO ability to defend themselves, either because they are weak, cowards, or because they are willing to put up or even welcome the Taliban regime.  And the Afghan women?  They are the ones who gave birth to the good-for-nothing Afghan men, maybe also brainwashed in Islamic religion.

 

 

In that case, those immigrants trying to cross into the USA should also be left to fight in the "survival of the fittest" in their own country. Why do you agree to their entry into the USA then? Are you a hypocrite?

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Hahahahaha! And yet, Biden actually just sent 1000 troops into Afghanistan to aid in the evacuation! So does that mean that Biden, using YOUR words, has just thrown MORE raw meat at lions in Afghanistan? My oh my!

 

Or is this Trump's doing again? 

 

 

 

Aug 14, 2021,

Biden Dispatching 5,000 Troops To Aid Afghanistan Evacuation

Aug 14, 2021,

 

Biden Dispatching 5,000 Troops To Aid Afghanistan Evacuation

 

 

 

 

Who is the big liar on BW? => you, Guest Guest.

 

You can't get the facts right!

 

 

 

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Who started this mess?  U.S. had troops in Afghanistan since October 2001 under President George W. Bush, and Obama the party guy at Martha's Vineyard pretty much allowed them to stay there. But I guess it is still Donald Trump's fault, right? 

 

 

Who started this mess? 

 

A Republican President.

 

And another Republican President worsened the situation...

 

 

A Taliban takeover in Afghanistan will not be Joe Biden's fault

Four presidents, 20 years, and a long line of bad policy decisions got Afghanistan to where it is today.

Aug. 6, 2021

 

 

This time the blame will likely be hung around the neck of President Joe Biden. But that blame would be misplaced. The U.S. “defeat” in Afghanistan is not the fault of one party or one president. Rather, it is a quintessentially American failure — a collective one 20 years in the making, the result of American hubris and a misguided belief in what U.S. power can achieve.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-envoy-touted-peace-afghanistan-18-months-later-peace-n1276811

U.S. envoy's years of peace negotiations go up in flames in Afghanistan. What went wrong?

Analysis: The U.S. lost any leverage with the Taliban once it made clear it was eager to pull out American troops, experts say.
 
Aug. 14, 2021

A year and a half since U.S. special envoy Zalmay Khalilzad brokered a “peace agreement” between the United States and Taliban leaders, there is no peace in Afghanistan.

Instead of negotiating a power-sharing deal with the Afghan government, the Taliban have unleashed a military onslaught to take power by force, seizing on the withdrawal of U.S. troops as their moment of opportunity.

 

At a congressional hearing in May, when lawmakers expressed alarm at the Taliban’s military push, Khalilzad said forecasts that the insurgency would quickly defeat Afghan security forces and take Kabul were too pessimistic.

 

“I personally believe that the statements that their forces will disintegrate and the Talibs will take over in short order are mistaken,” Khalilzad told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

 

The deal he brokered, and that then-President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo fully endorsed, committed the United States to withdrawing all its troops in return for a pledge from the Taliban to enter into peace talks with the Afghan government and to guarantee Afghanistan would not be used as a launching pad for terrorist attacks.

 

The peace talks went nowhere, Trump began pulling out troops ahead of schedule and — according to the United Nations — the Taliban have retained close ties to Al Qaeda.

 

Previous administrations had tried and failed for years to get peace talks started with the Taliban, as the insurgents refused to allow the Afghan government a seat at the table. But the Trump White House dropped that condition, and Khalilzad had a free hand to talk to the Taliban without any Afghan government officials present.

 

The Taliban wanted a guaranteed timeline for when U.S. troops would withdraw. Washington wanted a ceasefire and a peace process. Khalilzad was under pressure to move fast, as Trump made no secret of his desire to pull troops out unilaterally, with or without any peace deal.

 

Khalilzad developed a rapport with his Taliban counterparts, but the Afghan government in Kabul was skeptical of the talks. Afghan President Ashraf Ghani’s national security adviser accused Khalilzad in 2019 of selling out the Afghan government in the talks while lending the Taliban a veneer of credibility.

 

Former U.S. and Western officials say Khalilzad was given a nearly impossible task. Trump undermined his envoy’s efforts by repeatedly reducing the U.S. troop presence without concessions from the Taliban, signaling to the insurgents they could drive a hard bargain, they said.

 

A senior administration official said the U.S.-Taliban agreement was “problematic” and severely limited the Biden administration's options.

 

“That’s what we inherited coming into office,” the official told NBC News.

 

The Taliban had refrained from targeting U.S. troops on condition Washington kept its word to pull the troops. If the administration had decided to keep troops in place indefinitely, “they would have had targets on their backs,” the official said.

 

It was “folly” to think keeping a small contingent of U.S. troops on the ground could fundamentally alter the course of the war, the official said, adding: “The idea that 2,500 troops could be a game-changer is not realistic.”

 

But once the U.S. promised the Taliban it would out troops by a fixed deadline, without any binding commitment from the Taliban to reach a peace accord with the Afghan government, the chances for a negotiated end to the war began to unravel, experts said.

 

“As soon as the U.S. went down the road of making that concession to the Taliban, there was no more than a narrow window of opportunity to get a real peace process launched,” said Miller of ICG. “The window was already closing when Biden took office, and then the decision to withdraw quickly sucked all the oxygen out of peace efforts.”

The Taliban got the agreement they wanted, Miller said. And, she said, “there's nothing surprising about what's happened.”

 

 

 

Who did agree to the dodgy deal with Taliban?

 

 

 

 

 

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On 8/17/2021 at 2:44 PM, Nightingale said:

"If you ever feel useless . . .

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just remember that . . .

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USA took 4 Presidents, thousands of lives, trillions of dollars and 20 years . . .

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To replace Taliban with Taliban."

 

You hit the Bullseye! Shows utter failure in USA's foreign policies  and what a bloodthirsty and war mongering nation it is ! The USA can't even govern its own country well and yet have the audacity to implement its own ideas of running the government in the countries it invaded in and shamelessly sell its brand of democracy to other countries and imposing  sanctions and lecturing on countries that don't embrace its brand of democracy. What an arrogant prick !

 

The USA's free wheeling democracy is what is failing its people with rising homelessness and poverty rate,  wild wild west gun and violent  crime rates and incomprehensible highest record of covid deaths. It's the reason why Asian countries are rejecting American's brand of democracy and secretly mocking and laughing USA's own failures. The Afghanistan's disastrous exit adds another record to America's numerous embarrassing failures and serves to reinforce Asian countries' beliefs that we must reject America's brand of democracy  and government. 

 

It's appalling  that Steve5380 wants to brag about his goddammit country's freedom of speech and lgbt rights record. What good are those if your  country can't even provide the basic right of a roof over shelter for its  citizens  or right to  their personal safety.  Sure,  you can protest all you want for your freedom of speech  or vote whoever you want to be in the Government office. At the end of the day, your elected rep won't help to  solve the problems cos they are busy  quarrelling with the opposition parties, engaging in mud slinging campaigns helped by your political affiliated media outlets. No one wants to care about your goddammit country cos your politicians are at each other's throats engaging in zerosum war games with each other. And what to US citizens do, after  they are done with their protests and votings, they hope for the best and even their outcome are not achieved,  well they turn to their weeds and liquor for comfort. If things become too unbearable,  well, time to arm yourself and go for a masscacre shoot out saga the American way to make a statement for yourself.

 

What a pathetic failed nation !

 

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On 8/17/2021 at 3:51 PM, singalion said:

 

 

Who started this mess? 

 

A Republican President.

 

And another Republican President worsened the situation...

 

 

A Taliban takeover in Afghanistan will not be Joe Biden's fault

Four presidents, 20 years, and a long line of bad policy decisions got Afghanistan to where it is today.

Aug. 6, 2021

 

 

This time the blame will likely be hung around the neck of President Joe Biden. But that blame would be misplaced. The U.S. “defeat” in Afghanistan is not the fault of one party or one president. Rather, it is a quintessentially American failure — a collective one 20 years in the making, the result of American hubris and a misguided belief in what U.S. power can achieve.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-envoy-touted-peace-afghanistan-18-months-later-peace-n1276811

U.S. envoy's years of peace negotiations go up in flames in Afghanistan. What went wrong?

Analysis: The U.S. lost any leverage with the Taliban once it made clear it was eager to pull out American troops, experts say.
 
Aug. 14, 2021

A year and a half since U.S. special envoy Zalmay Khalilzad brokered a “peace agreement” between the United States and Taliban leaders, there is no peace in Afghanistan.

Instead of negotiating a power-sharing deal with the Afghan government, the Taliban have unleashed a military onslaught to take power by force, seizing on the withdrawal of U.S. troops as their moment of opportunity.

 

At a congressional hearing in May, when lawmakers expressed alarm at the Taliban’s military push, Khalilzad said forecasts that the insurgency would quickly defeat Afghan security forces and take Kabul were too pessimistic.

 

“I personally believe that the statements that their forces will disintegrate and the Talibs will take over in short order are mistaken,” Khalilzad told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

 

The deal he brokered, and that then-President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo fully endorsed, committed the United States to withdrawing all its troops in return for a pledge from the Taliban to enter into peace talks with the Afghan government and to guarantee Afghanistan would not be used as a launching pad for terrorist attacks.

 

The peace talks went nowhere, Trump began pulling out troops ahead of schedule and — according to the United Nations — the Taliban have retained close ties to Al Qaeda.

 

Previous administrations had tried and failed for years to get peace talks started with the Taliban, as the insurgents refused to allow the Afghan government a seat at the table. But the Trump White House dropped that condition, and Khalilzad had a free hand to talk to the Taliban without any Afghan government officials present.

 

The Taliban wanted a guaranteed timeline for when U.S. troops would withdraw. Washington wanted a ceasefire and a peace process. Khalilzad was under pressure to move fast, as Trump made no secret of his desire to pull troops out unilaterally, with or without any peace deal.

 

Khalilzad developed a rapport with his Taliban counterparts, but the Afghan government in Kabul was skeptical of the talks. Afghan President Ashraf Ghani’s national security adviser accused Khalilzad in 2019 of selling out the Afghan government in the talks while lending the Taliban a veneer of credibility.

 

Former U.S. and Western officials say Khalilzad was given a nearly impossible task. Trump undermined his envoy’s efforts by repeatedly reducing the U.S. troop presence without concessions from the Taliban, signaling to the insurgents they could drive a hard bargain, they said.

 

A senior administration official said the U.S.-Taliban agreement was “problematic” and severely limited the Biden administration's options.

 

“That’s what we inherited coming into office,” the official told NBC News.

 

The Taliban had refrained from targeting U.S. troops on condition Washington kept its word to pull the troops. If the administration had decided to keep troops in place indefinitely, “they would have had targets on their backs,” the official said.

 

It was “folly” to think keeping a small contingent of U.S. troops on the ground could fundamentally alter the course of the war, the official said, adding: “The idea that 2,500 troops could be a game-changer is not realistic.”

 

But once the U.S. promised the Taliban it would out troops by a fixed deadline, without any binding commitment from the Taliban to reach a peace accord with the Afghan government, the chances for a negotiated end to the war began to unravel, experts said.

 

“As soon as the U.S. went down the road of making that concession to the Taliban, there was no more than a narrow window of opportunity to get a real peace process launched,” said Miller of ICG. “The window was already closing when Biden took office, and then the decision to withdraw quickly sucked all the oxygen out of peace efforts.”

The Taliban got the agreement they wanted, Miller said. And, she said, “there's nothing surprising about what's happened.”

 

 

 

Who did agree to the dodgy deal with Taliban?

 

 

 

 

 

U.S. Should Slow Withdrawal From Afghanistan, Bipartisan Panel Urges

A study group appointed by Congress finds that removing international forces by the May 1 date set in the 2020 U.S.-Taliban peace agreement could lead to a civil war in Afghanistan.

Published Feb. 3, 2021Updated May 13, 2021

 

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration should slow the withdrawal of troops in Afghanistan, abandon the May 1 exit deadline and instead reduce American forces further only as security conditions improve, a congressionally appointed panel recommended Wednesday.

In a new report, the Afghanistan Study Group, a bipartisan panel charged by Congress to examine the February 2020 peace agreement made under the Trump administration, found that withdrawing troops based on a strict timeline, rather than how well the Taliban adheres to the agreement to reduce violence and improve security, risked the stability of the country and a potential civil war once international forces withdraw.

“It’s not in anyone’s best interest right now for precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan,” said Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., a retired four-star Marine general, former top commander in the country and past chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who helped lead the commission.


https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/us/politics/afghanistan-biden-trump-troops-withdrawal.amp.html

 

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Biden was given a report stating that US should slow the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan in early 2021. But Biden did not listen and hastily and haphazardly withdrew troops en masse leading to the catastrophic failure and crisis in Afghanistan now. 
 

Ironically, Biden on Day 1 as President could quickly reverse and renegade  on Trump policies on illegal immigration, stopped border wall construction, canceled Keystone pipeline project, rejoined Paris Agreement and WHO. So it defies logic why didn’t Biden back away from the dodgy deal with Taliban? Biden had 7months to think about it and stop the deal but he didn’t. 

So who allowed this mess to materialise? 
 

So who as President allowed the dodgy deal with Taliban to continue and even executed the deal?

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Trump encouraged and egged on these country rednecks , but while he is vacc'd and lives in relative isolation from plebians, these country bums have to live with their stupid decisions of suspicion of vaccine and not getting vaccinated. 

I am glad I live in this part of the world and not the US.

 


Trump administration implemented  Operation Warp Speed that sped up the R&D of COVID-19 vaccines.
 

As a result of Operation Warp Speed, the world got the COVID-19 vaccine in record speed. 

 

Trump’s Vice-President Mike Pence was instrumental in actively promoting the distribution and usage of vaccine. 
 

Ironically, it was the current Vice-President Kamala Harris last year who had egged on people not to take the vaccine if it were developed by Trump administration. Impressionable and gullible people were misled by Kamala as a result. 
 

Have a listen to what she said: 

 

 

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On 8/17/2021 at 4:46 PM, 7heaven said:

U.S. Should Slow Withdrawal From Afghanistan, Bipartisan Panel Urges

A study group appointed by Congress finds that removing international forces by the May 1 date set in the 2020 U.S.-Taliban peace agreement could lead to a civil war in Afghanistan.

Published Feb. 3, 2021Updated May 13, 2021

 

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration should slow the withdrawal of troops in Afghanistan, abandon the May 1 exit deadline and instead reduce American forces further only as security conditions improve, a congressionally appointed panel recommended Wednesday.

 

Your article is from Feb 3, 2021!

 

As usual you are missing the point.

Plus the article you quote does not say or give any date, when the complete withdrawal should take place.

 

But, in fact President Biden slowed the withdrawal down, he did not withdraw all troops by 1 May but extended the withdrawal to 31 August.

 

Further, you ignore the fact, that the 2,500 US soldiers and remaining US citizens in Afghanistan were in much bigger peril with the advancing Taliban forces as such a small number of soldiers would not be able to defend against 60,000 Taliban fighters. And who was the one who reduced the number of soldiers to such a small amount???

 

Your post is again nothing other than illogical shifting blame on Biden.

 

The point you totally miss out is:

Biden was always vocal against the US troops in Afghanistan and had disputes with Obama on this issue.

Take a look at Biden's position on Afghanistan...

 

 

 

 

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On 8/17/2021 at 4:46 PM, 7heaven said:

U.S. Should Slow Withdrawal From Afghanistan, Bipartisan Panel Urges

A study group appointed by Congress finds that removing international forces by the May 1 date set in the 2020 U.S.-Taliban peace agreement could lead to a civil war in Afghanistan.

Published Feb. 3, 2021Updated May 13, 2021

 

WASHINGTON — The Biden administration should slow the withdrawal of troops in Afghanistan, abandon the May 1 exit deadline and instead reduce American forces further only as security conditions improve, a congressionally appointed panel recommended Wednesday.

In a new report, the Afghanistan Study Group, a bipartisan panel charged by Congress to examine the February 2020 peace agreement made under the Trump administration, found that withdrawing troops based on a strict timeline, rather than how well the Taliban adheres to the agreement to reduce violence and improve security, risked the stability of the country and a potential civil war once international forces withdraw.

“It’s not in anyone’s best interest right now for precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan,” said Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., a retired four-star Marine general, former top commander in the country and past chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who helped lead the commission.


https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/us/politics/afghanistan-biden-trump-troops-withdrawal.amp.html

 

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Biden was given a report stating that US should slow the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan in early 2021. But Biden did not listen and hastily and haphazardly withdrew troops en masse leading to the catastrophic failure and crisis in Afghanistan now. 
 

Ironically, Biden on Day 1 as President could quickly reverse and renegade  on Trump policies on illegal immigration, stopped border wall construction, canceled Keystone pipeline project, rejoined Paris Agreement and WHO. So it defies logic why didn’t Biden back away from the dodgy deal with Taliban? Biden had 7months to think about it and stop the deal but he didn’t. 

So who allowed this mess to materialise? 
 

So who as President allowed the dodgy deal with Taliban to continue and even executed the deal?

 

Thanks 7heaven for admitting that US presidents should not negotiate with terrorists or terrorists harbourers. Meaning your not in support with Trump who negotiated with Taliban.

 

Thanks for admitting that the Trump deal with Taliban was dodgy and should have never been made.

 

Thanks for also admitting that Trump's policy of rushing the withdrawal of US soldiers from Afghanistan was wrong.

 

Your post is also contrasting to this:

April 19, 2021

Former President Donald Trump on Sunday expressed support for pulling U.S. military forces out of Afghanistan, calling a withdrawal "wonderful and positive," but pushed back on President Biden's September 11 deadline for leaving the country.

Mr. Trump said in a statement he believes the U.S. should leave Afghanistan earlier than when Mr. Biden has called for, and took credit for laying the groundwork for American troops to leave the country before September 11, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that launched the U.S. into its longest war.

 

 

=> you are saying now Ex President Trump's policy on Afghanistan and his view to leave Afghanistan asap was also wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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But Biden did not listen and hastily and haphazardly withdrew troops en masse leading to the catastrophic failure and crisis in Afghanistan now. 

 

Biden was acting on a commitment that Trump gave to the Taliban in his dodgy Taliban deal in Feb 2020. This was in exchange for Taliban not attacking US soldiers in Afghanistan.

 

Refrain from distorting facts.

 

Do you think Biden wanted to risk one more dead soldier in Afghanistan by acting against the terms of the deal with Taliban or send in more troops angering the Taliban?

 

And I ask again: Who laid the bad groundwork for Biden having ended up in that situation?

Biden himself?

 

No,  it was your admired politician Trump!

 

 

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Trump administration implemented  Operation Warp Speed that sped up the R&D of COVID-19 vaccines.
 

As a result of Operation Warp Speed, the world got the COVID-19 vaccine in record speed. 

 

Trump’s Vice-President Mike Pence was instrumental in actively promoting the distribution and usage of vaccine. 
 

Ironically, it was the current Vice-President Kamala Harris last year who had egged on people not to take the vaccine if it were developed by Trump administration. Impressionable and gullible people were misled by Kamala as a result. 
 

Have a listen to what she said: 

 

 

 

 

As usually under Trump badly executed...

The crash landing of 'Operation Warp Speed'

Born as a second Manhattan Project, the Trump administration vaccine program actually achieved most of its goals – until distribution problems marred its success.

01/17/2021

 

...what they believed would be the Trump administration’s greatest triumph — a vaccine program so fast, so special, so successful that grateful Americans would forgive earlier failures and business schools would teach classes about it for decades.

 

Governors say the Warp Speed effort has made promises it didn't keep, with deliveries of doses falling short and reserve supplies exhausted. Physicians and logistics experts have critiqued the disorderly rollout, arguing that the Trump team should have done a better job of coordinating the nation's mass vaccination effort. The incoming Biden administration on Friday morning announced they'd even do away with the initiative's branding, which President Donald Trump has touted for months.

 

Operation Warp Speed "is the Trump team's name for their program. We are phasing in a new structure," tweeted incoming White House press secretary Jen Psaki, adding there's an "urgent need to address failures of the Trump team approach to vaccine distribution."

 

Only about 13 million Americans have received their first dose of the vaccine, according to federal data, a far cry from the 30 million-plus people that the Trump administration had hoped to vaccinate by now. Logistical breakdowns have plagued the process; just more than one-third of doses distributed by Operation Warp Speed have been administered, and the initiative's top military official recently issued a public apology for misleading states on how many vaccine doses they'd get.

 

 

 

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As usually under Trump badly executed...

The crash landing of 'Operation Warp Speed'

Born as a second Manhattan Project, the Trump administration vaccine program actually achieved most of its goals – until distribution problems marred its success.

01/17/2021

 

...what they believed would be the Trump administration’s greatest triumph — a vaccine program so fast, so special, so successful that grateful Americans would forgive earlier failures and business schools would teach classes about it for decades.

 

Governors say the Warp Speed effort has made promises it didn't keep, with deliveries of doses falling short and reserve supplies exhausted. Physicians and logistics experts have critiqued the disorderly rollout, arguing that the Trump team should have done a better job of coordinating the nation's mass vaccination effort. The incoming Biden administration on Friday morning announced they'd even do away with the initiative's branding, which President Donald Trump has touted for months.

 

Operation Warp Speed "is the Trump team's name for their program. We are phasing in a new structure," tweeted incoming White House press secretary Jen Psaki, adding there's an "urgent need to address failures of the Trump team approach to vaccine distribution."

 

Only about 13 million Americans have received their first dose of the vaccine, according to federal data, a far cry from the 30 million-plus people that the Trump administration had hoped to vaccinate by now. Logistical breakdowns have plagued the process; just more than one-third of doses distributed by Operation Warp Speed have been administered, and the initiative's top military official recently issued a public apology for misleading states on how many vaccine doses they'd get.

 

 

 


 

Haha. The above is nothing but demagogues which were pandered by anti-Trump and those deranged people who cannot believe that Trump administration can achieve the unthinkable which is to develop the COVID-19 vaccines in record speed.

 

Those experts and fact-checkers last year ridiculed Trump for saying the vaccines will be out by end of 2020 when he said around Aug-Oct2020. 
 

The current Vice-President Kamala Harris even said on public broadcast she won’t take the COVID-19 vaccines if they were developed by the Trump administration. This was one of the reasons why people were unsure to take the vaccines because it came from the then candidate for the VP. 
 

Such irresponsible behaviour is deplorable. Have a listen to Kamala Harris again: 

 

 

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Thanks 7heaven for admitting that US presidents should not negotiate with terrorists or terrorists harbourers. Meaning your not in support with Trump who negotiated with Taliban.

 

Thanks for admitting that the Trump deal with Taliban was dodgy and should have never been made.

 

Thanks for also admitting that Trump's policy of rushing the withdrawal of US soldiers from Afghanistan was wrong.

 

Your post is also contrasting to this:

April 19, 2021

Former President Donald Trump on Sunday expressed support for pulling U.S. military forces out of Afghanistan, calling a withdrawal "wonderful and positive," but pushed back on President Biden's September 11 deadline for leaving the country.

Mr. Trump said in a statement he believes the U.S. should leave Afghanistan earlier than when Mr. Biden has called for, and took credit for laying the groundwork for American troops to leave the country before September 11, the 20th anniversary of the terrorist attacks that launched the U.S. into its longest war.

 

 

=> you are saying now Ex President Trump's policy on Afghanistan and his view to leave Afghanistan asap was also wrong.

 


You keep deflecting the current crisis in Afghanistan clearly attributed to Joe Biden to everybody else except Joe Biden. 
 

Am I or Trump the current US President who made the decision to withdraw troops? Who has the power and authority to make the decision to actually withdraw troops? Arguably, there is only 1 person in the world who has that power to give the green light, and that person is Joe Biden. 

Thank you for admitting by Biden’s giving the approval to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, he is complicit in negotiating with terrorists and agreeing that the deal with Taliban was ok despite it being dodgy. 

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Biden was acting on a commitment that Trump gave to the Taliban in his dodgy Taliban deal in Feb 2020. This was in exchange for Taliban not attacking US soldiers in Afghanistan.

 

Refrain from distorting facts.

 

Do you think Biden wanted to risk one more dead soldier in Afghanistan by acting against the terms of the deal with Taliban or send in more troops angering the Taliban?

 

And I ask again: Who laid the bad groundwork for Biden having ended up in that situation?

Biden himself?

 

No,  it was your admired politician Trump!

 

 


Joe Biden could on Day 1 reverse the illegal immigration policies put in place by Trump. Joe Biden could also reverse Trump’s non-commitment to Paris Agreement and WHO by rejoining these organisations/deal but yet somehow we should suddenly believe Joe Biden did not have the power to renegotiate with anybody else or even tell Taliban the agreement with previous administration was null and avoid since they are terrorists.
 

And I ask again: Who is the current US President who has the power to nullify the agreement US had with Taliban if he or his smart and competent advisors felt they were bad groundwork? Trump himself? 
 

No, it was your admired politician Joe Biden

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On 8/17/2021 at 5:20 PM, singalion said:

 

Your article is from Feb 3, 2021!

 

As usual you are missing the point.

Plus the article you quote does not say or give any date, when the complete withdrawal should take place.

 

But, in fact President Biden slowed the withdrawal down, he did not withdraw all troops by 1 May but extended the withdrawal to 31 August.

 

Further, you ignore the fact, that the 2,500 US soldiers and remaining US citizens in Afghanistan were in much bigger peril with the advancing Taliban forces as such a small number of soldiers would not be able to defend against 60,000 Taliban fighters. And who was the one who reduced the number of soldiers to such a small amount???

 

Your post is again nothing other than illogical shifting blame on Biden.

 

The point you totally miss out is:

Biden was always vocal against the US troops in Afghanistan and had disputes with Obama on this issue.

Take a look at Biden's position on Afghanistan...

 

 

 

 


So what if the report is from Feb? If anything it showed that Biden was already notified months ahead to slow the withdrawal of troops. Why should the article need to state a date for complete withdrawal? Does the writer of the article possess military intel that Joe Biden has at his disposal to advise him on what’s happening on the ground? if the article should state a date, then why do we need Joe Biden for? 
 

Joe Biden on 8 July 2021 had publicly stated that he is convinced it won’t be an issue for US to be out of Afghanistan by end Aug when reporters quizzed him about possibility about a Taliban takeover. Whatever his position prior to 8July2021, it won’t matter because his latest position is withdrawal of troops by end Aug 2021. 

 

Have a listen again at this monumental failure of a speech by Joe Biden on 8 July 2021: 

 

 

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Haha. The above is nothing but demagogues which were pandered by anti-Trump and those deranged people who cannot believe that Trump administration can achieve the unthinkable which is to develop the COVID-19 vaccines in record speed.

 

Those experts and fact-checkers last year ridiculed Trump for saying the vaccines will be out by end of 2020 when he said around Aug-Oct2020. 
 

The current Vice-President Kamala Harris even said on public broadcast she won’t take the COVID-19 vaccines if they were developed by the Trump administration. This was one of the reasons why people were unsure to take the vaccines because it came from the then candidate for the VP. 
 

Such irresponsible behaviour is deplorable. Have a listen to Kamala Harris again: 

 

 

 

I did not cover Kamala Harris. There is no need to obsessively re-post videos in excess.

 

And now blaming Americans not taking vaccines because of a video from Harris is nothing other than what you complain at start: namely: demagoguery!

 

As if right wing American would listen to anything what Harris says.

Your point is already so illogical.

 

Harris is surely not the only one who mistrusts everything what came or comes from Trump.

 

Everyone here at BW knows that you only aim to blame the Biden government for anything you can with the silliest posts.

 

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Joe Biden could on Day 1 reverse the illegal immigration policies put in place by Trump. Joe Biden could also reverse Trump’s non-commitment to Paris Agreement and WHO by rejoining these organisations/deal but yet somehow we should suddenly believe Joe Biden did not have the power to renegotiate with anybody else or even tell Taliban the agreement with previous administration was null and avoid since they are terrorists.
 

And I ask again: Who is the current US President who has the power to nullify the agreement US had with Taliban if he or his smart and competent advisors felt they were bad groundwork? Trump himself? 
 

No, it was your admired politician Joe Biden

 

I don't admire Biden!

 

I m not American. I have little to do with the US.

 

I only debunk your myths and anti- Democratic rhetoric and slogans at BW and your dirt smearing attempts on a President who seems to be doing much better than your admired Ex President.

 

It is actually scary to watch that people like you fall for this extremist right - on times already fascist - manipulation and buy into everything of it.

 

 

 

 

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On 8/17/2021 at 6:35 PM, 7heaven said:

Joe Biden on 8 July 2021 had publicly stated that he is convinced it won’t be an issue for US to be out of Afghanistan by end Aug when reporters quizzed him about possibility about a Taliban takeover. Whatever his position prior to 8July2021, it won’t matter because his latest position is withdrawal of troops by end Aug 2021.

 

But this is the same thing you are repeating obsessively here again:

 

In what position was Biden, when he took over?

How many US soldiers were left in Afghanistan on 20 January 2021?

Who was responsible for the low amount of soldiers in early 2021?

 

Was that a position of power for any US president?

 

What commitment had Trump agreed to in February 2020 in this deal with Taliban?

 

You are just ignoring the facts and denying the consequences of Trump's dodgy Afghanistan policy.

 

What would be the consequences of your proposed strategy? Did you ever spend a thought about it instead of just incessantly posting blaming rhetoric against Biden into BW?

 

 

 

Actually , I like it the way how you post here, because it makes evident for anyone who intellectually recognises the issues involved that you do not spare any single thought to what you propose... and how every second corner you contradict yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 8/17/2021 at 6:42 PM, singalion said:

 

I did not cover Kamala Harris. There is no need to obsessively re-post videos in excess.

 

And now blaming Americans not taking vaccines because of a video from Harris is nothing other than what you complain at start: namely: demagoguery!

 

As if right wing American would listen to anything what Harris says.

Your point is already so illogical.

 

Harris is surely not the only one who mistrusts everything what came or comes from Trump.

 

Everyone here at BW knows that you only aim to blame the Biden government for anything you can with the silliest posts.

 


Steve posted a video about blaming Trump for people not taking the vaccines when ironically and in fact it was current Vice-President Kamala Harris who has publicly stated if vaccines came from Trump administration, she won’t take it. 
 

Kamala Harris is not anyone but the current VP. And her words carry so much weight and there are almost next to none articles that criticised her or fact-check her misinformation. 
 

Everyone here at BW knows that your only aim here is to blame Trump for anything Biden and Kamala Harris and Democrats government did wrong with your silliest post. 

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On 8/17/2021 at 6:49 PM, singalion said:

 

I don't admire Biden!

 

I m not American. I have little to do with the US.

 

I only debunk your myths and anti- Democratic rhetoric and slogans at BW and your dirt smearing attempts on a President who seems to be doing much better than your admired Ex President.

 

It is actually scary to watch that people like you fall for this extremist right - on times already fascist - manipulation and buy into everything of it.

 

 

 

 


i only debunk your myths and anti-logic, anti-Trump, anti-Republicans rhetoric and slogans at BW and your dirt smearing attempts on the 45th US President who by all accounts done a far greater job than the current one in Joe Biden. 
 

It is tragic and scary to watch that people like you fall for this extremist and radical left wing - at times already fascist - manipulation and buy into everything of it. 

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On 8/17/2021 at 6:58 PM, singalion said:

 

But this is the same thing you are repeating obsessively here again:

 

In what position was Biden, when he took over?

How many US soldiers were left in Afghanistan on 20 January 2021?

Who was responsible for the low amount of soldiers in early 2021?

 

Was that a position of power for any US president?

 

What commitment had Trump agreed to in February 2020 in this deal with Taliban?

 

You are just ignoring the facts and denying the consequences of Trump's dodgy Afghanistan policy.

 

What would be the consequences of your proposed strategy? Did you ever spend a thought about it instead of just incessantly posting blaming rhetoric against Biden into BW?

 

 

 

Actually , I like it the way how you post here, because it makes evident for anyone who intellectually recognises the issues involved that you do not spare any single thought to what you propose... and how every second corner you contradict yourself.

 

 


But this is the same being you are obsessively repeating here: 

 

What and why can’t Joe Biden as US President nullify the agreement with Taliban when he could and did reversed all of Trump illegal immigration policies, rejoined Paris agreement and WHO? 
 

If Trump could ink an agreement with Taliban as US President, why couldn’t Biden as US President also nullify the deal? 
 

Ironically Biden just ordered an additional 1000 US troops into Afghanistan recently, so why couldn’t he have ordered more troops into Afghanistan much earlier? Why was there inaction on his part earlier? 
 

You are just ignoring the facts and denying the consequences of  Biden’s inaction and subsequent tragic move to withdraw US troops without much planning.

 

What would be the consequences of your proposed strategy? Did you ever spend a thought about it instead of just incessantly posting blaming rhetoric against Trump into BW?

 

Actually , I like it the way how you post here, because it makes evident for anyone who intellectually recognises the issues involved that you do not spare any single thought to what you propose... and how every second corner you contradict yourself. 

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