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On 9/9/2021 at 7:41 PM, 7heaven said:

Who has been the US president since Jan 21 this year? Joe Biden can on first few weeks of his presidency

 

 

Just for your info: Please get the facts correct!

 

Joe Biden was inaugurated on 20 January 2021 and not 21st Jan 2021. Since he had taken the oath as President , his presidency started at 12 o' clock on 20 January 2021...

 

 

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On 9/9/2021 at 9:09 PM, Guest 2003 said:

The Republicans can't win elections for senator or governor in California because, except for a few small areas, the state has rejected their lies and their lunacy.

 

This is not correct.

 

You forgot him:

 

800px-ArnoldSchwarzeneggerSDJun10.jpg

 

while you mentioned him two paragraphs later but did not say that he was Republican and he won another term in 2006 on his own.

 

 

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On 9/9/2021 at 9:09 PM, Guest 2003 said:

 

I'm calling crap on that pile of rubbish. My uncle and aunt live in California and we visited them numerous times before Trump and his Republicans turned the USA on the frightening path to permanent destruction. The recall election law is an example of far left Progressives letting ideals get in the way of common sense and then later watching the rules they made get abused by Republicans.

 

Your constant repetition about 2.1 million Republicans signing a petition to steal Gavin Newsom's job ignores the fact that California's population exceeds 40 million people. This means 2.1 million people is barely 5% of the state. On top of that, a judge gave the Republicans four months past the legal deadline to finish their petition due to the pandemic, which Republicans claim doesn't even exist.

 

Governor Newsom was elected by a landslide in 2018, following up on the two previous Democratic landslides by the former governor, his old boss Jerry Brown, in 2010 and 2014, in one of the most Democratic states in the USA. The Republicans can't win elections for senator or governor in California because, except for a few small areas, the state has rejected their lies and their lunacy.

 

After getting obliterated again in 2018, the Republicans started scheming early in 2019 to push out Newsom through the same dirty recall scheme they used against Gray Davis in 2003 (which was otherwise, generally, a good year), after he had been re-elected in 2002. That led to Arnold Schwarzenegger creeping in and nearly bankrupting the state before Brown & Newsom restored sanity.

 

The Republicans are now claiming Newsom should be recalled (ousted) due to coronavirus "mismanagement" but they had already started petitioning for a recall months before the coronavirus even existed. It is a lie. There is a regular election next year also, but the Republicans are wasting millions of dollars on a recall that will fail, when that money should be spent fighting the pandemic.

 

Really the recall vote is part of laying the groundwork for a national Republican power grab in 2022 and 2024. Larry Elder has been bragging that he intends to replace 88-year-old Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein with a Republican if he wins, in order to hand the US Senate back to the Republicans, while also claiming already that he can only lose next week's recall due to voter fraud.

 

Now as for your Andrew Cuomo nonsense, he was investigated, and when he knew the investigation would be very bad for him, he resigned. So now Kathy Hochul is the new governor. What you wanted was to deny him of due process. People are all supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, but you wanted him pronounced guilty right away, with no investigation. Un-American.

 

Finally, the last part of your rant is conspiratorial projectionism, and barely worth acknowledging. The Republicans only have a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court because 9 months before the 2016 election, Mitch McConnell refused to hold hearings for Merrick Garland, but less than 2 months before the 2020 election, he hypocritically rushed hearings to install Amy Covid Barrett.

 

Since then the 6-3 Republican majority on the Supreme Court started silently taking rights away from the American people through moves like not declaring that the Texas law to control women's bodies is clearly a backdoor effort to overturn Roe vs. Wade in all but name. Just remember, in the future, the Texas vigilantes stalking pregnant women might just as easily set their sights on you.


I am calling crap on this ^ pile of rubbish. The surge in crimes and murders after Biden took over is staggering especially against the backdrop of Democrats stoking the defund the police rhetoric. 
 

The recall election is an available mechanism that is legitimate. If California has a Republican governor who performs as badly as Democrat Gavin Newsom has, the recall election would definitely be activated. If Gavin Newsom has been performing swimmingly well after 2018, then it would have failed the first hurdle of crossing the recall petition of a certain percentage. To be fair, the final signature count for recall petition was 1.7+million which still crossed that threshold percentage to move to the recall election. Therefore, what you said about Larry Elder is also conspiratorial projectionism.  
 

If Gavin Newsom really loses the recall election, he can also likewise claim voter fraud. Anyone is free to claim anything. 
 

A recall election mechanism should not be confused with any determination of guilt of any crimes. Recall election unfortunately is not available in New York. If it had been available and Andrew Cuomo had been subjected to it and lost in a landslide, he is still innocent of any crimes. So we need to be clear of that. In other words, due process (ie investigation, indictment, trial) is still afforded to Cuomo even with recall because they are independent events. 
 

For more than 150years, the US Supreme Court (Scotus) has always been made up of 9Justices. Right now, Democrats control the House and Senate, and they are using it to their advantage to pack Scotus just the same way you said Mitch McConnell did in 2016 and 2020 when Republicans had the advantage to nominate conservative justices.
 

However, we need to be mindful of the dangerous court packing precedent Biden and his Democrats are doing now. Today, Democrats add 4 more justices so that it swings 6-(3+4)=7 in Democrats favour. The next time Republicans hold the House and Senate, they may use this tactic to pack more justices. Therefore, likewise when Democrats next control House and Senate, they pack again and before long this vicious cycle continues and there may more hundreds of justices in Scotus. 

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On 9/9/2021 at 9:09 PM, Guest 2003 said:

The Republicans can't win elections for senator or governor in California because, except for a few small areas, the state has rejected their lies and their lunacy.

 

 

just to add:

In the Nov 2020 US elections, the Republicans clinched 4 seats from the Democrats in the House.

 

While there seems to be a 55% majority for Democrats in California, Republicans have been making grounds the past 3 years...

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On 9/9/2021 at 11:25 PM, 7heaven said:


I am calling crap on this ^ pile of rubbish. The surge in crimes and murders after Biden took over is staggering especially against the backdrop of Democrats stoking the defund the police rhetoric. 
 

The recall election is an available mechanism that is legitimate. If California has a Republican governor who performs as badly as Democrat Gavin Newsom has, the recall election would definitely be activated. If Gavin Newsom has been performing swimmingly well after 2018, then it would have failed the first hurdle of crossing the recall petition of a certain percentage. To be fair, the final signature count for recall petition was 1.7+million which still crossed that threshold percentage to move to the recall election. Therefore, what you said about Larry Elder is also conspiratorial projectionism.  
 

If Gavin Newsom really loses the recall election, he can also likewise claim voter fraud. Anyone is free to claim anything. 
 

A recall election mechanism should not be confused with any determination of guilt of any crimes. Recall election unfortunately is not available in New York. If it had been available and Andrew Cuomo had been subjected to it and lost in a landslide, he is still innocent of any crimes. So we need to be clear of that. In other words, due process (ie investigation, indictment, trial) is still afforded to Cuomo even with recall because they are independent events. 
 

For more than 150years, the US Supreme Court (Scotus) has always been made up of 9Justices. Right now, Democrats control the House and Senate, and they are using it to their advantage to pack Scotus just the same way you said Mitch McConnell did in 2016 and 2020 when Republicans had the advantage to nominate conservative justices.
 

However, we need to be mindful of the dangerous court packing precedent Biden and his Democrats are doing now. Today, Democrats add 4 more justices so that it swings 6-(3+4)=7 in Democrats favour. The next time Republicans hold the House and Senate, they may use this tactic to pack more justices. Therefore, likewise when Democrats next control House and Senate, they pack again and before long this vicious cycle continues and there may more hundreds of justices in Scotus. 

 

As usual 7heaven will just use every response here to post/ parrot his typical standard political rhetoric and slogans.

 

 

Surely it was applying double standards by McConnell in 2020 when he rejected the appointment of a new US supreme court judge under Obama, when there was much more time left until the election compared to Amy Barrett in 2020.

 

Obama's nomination of Garland

Republican senators immediately opposed an Obama nominee to fill the vacancy on the Supreme Court left by the late Justice Antonin Scalia, according to USA TODAY. Scalia died unexpectedly on Feb. 13, 2016, and reaction came hours later.

When Obama chose Garland, of the U. S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, as his nominee a month later, Republicans vowed to block the nomination on the basis that it was too close to the 2016 presidential election approximately eight months later, USA TODAY reported. Obama had roughly 10 months left in his term.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the people should "have a voice" about the next justice.

"The American people may well elect a president who decides to nominate Judge Garland for Senate consideration. The next president may also nominate someone very different. Either way, our view is this: Give the people a voice," McConnell said, according to USA TODAY.

In contrast, Barrett's confirmation process proceeded with only weeks left until the presidential election.

 

 

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On 9/9/2021 at 11:13 PM, singalion said:

 

thanks nightingale.

 

Trump was not talking about nasal spray but taking anti malaria hydroxychloroquine  tablets or injecting it into the body. 

 

Please don't take the facts out of the context.

 

No doctor approved hydroxychloroquine as an Anti Covid 19 treatment even in 2020...

 

FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems

June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19.

 

 

Your own evidence from your article you quoted is outdated... already in June 2020

 

 

 

 

Nah, Nighingale 7heaven wants you to quote all the alternative facts from these extremist media outlets that are classified as "Most extreme right" or "hyper-partisan right"......

 

 


We are talking about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in general. Now u are narrowly focusing on application method because there are now legitimate evidence from Singapore team that proved Trump was correct about HCQ. 
 

Doctors in India and Singapore have used HCQ in 2020, so it is incorrect to say no doctors use HCQ. 
 

It is shameful that those over zealous people used unverifiable data to hastily discredit use of HCQ which caused the scientific community to unnecessarily stopped the research of HCQ. 

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On 9/9/2021 at 11:18 PM, singalion said:

 

 

Did I ever ignore the reality that Joe Biden is the president of the US since his inauguration in Jan 2021???

 

 


Think u have to read paragraphs carefully. 
 

The starting sentence of who has been US president … is a prelude to the fact that Joe Biden has 7months to change the deal with Taliban but he did nothing. 

 

On 9/9/2021 at 7:41 PM, 7heaven said:

Ironically the biggest problem of you is to ignore realities and real scenarios. 
 

Who has been the US president since Jan 21 this year? Joe Biden can on first few weeks of his presidency ended the keystone gas pipeline, ended Trump border policies and somehow he is unable to increase the troops from 2,500 to something more? Next, if Biden felt the deadline is too short, as US President, can’t he extend? He did extend and it is not by luck. He has the power in the world to renegotiate the deal. 

 

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On 9/9/2021 at 11:21 PM, singalion said:

 

 

Just for your info: Please get the facts correct!

 

Joe Biden was inaugurated on 20 January 2021 and not 21st Jan 2021. Since he had taken the oath as President , his presidency started at 12 o' clock on 20 January 2021...

 

 


 

Thanks for the reminder, Biden had 1 more day than the 7months I thought he had but he did nothing to make the withdrawal from Afghan a more seamless one than we saw last month. 

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On 9/9/2021 at 11:57 PM, 7heaven said:


We are talking about hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) in general. Now u are narrowly focusing on application method because there are now legitimate evidence from Singapore team that proved Trump was correct about HCQ. 
 

Doctors in India and Singapore have used HCQ in 2020, so it is incorrect to say no doctors use HCQ. 
 

It is shameful that those over zealous people used unverifiable data to hastily discredit use of HCQ which caused the scientific community to unnecessarily stopped the research of HCQ. 

 

As usual face saving measures ...

 

Nobody was talking on anything different than the tablet form and Trump himself was never talking about hydroxychloroquine to be used as a nasal spray against Covid-19...

 

We are talking about US and not India... Trump was also never referring to India in any of his speeches but recommending the use in the US.

 

 

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On 9/9/2021 at 11:47 PM, singalion said:

 

As usual 7heaven will just use every response here to post/ parrot his typical standard political rhetoric and slogans.

 

 

Surely it was applying double standards by McConnell in 2020 when he rejected the appointment of a new US supreme court judge under Obama, when there was much more time left until the election compared to Amy Barrett in 2020.

 

Obama's nomination of Garland

Republican senators immediately opposed an Obama nominee to fill the vacancy on the Supreme Court left by the late Justice Antonin Scalia, according to USA TODAY. Scalia died unexpectedly on Feb. 13, 2016, and reaction came hours later.

When Obama chose Garland, of the U. S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, as his nominee a month later, Republicans vowed to block the nomination on the basis that it was too close to the 2016 presidential election approximately eight months later, USA TODAY reported. Obama had roughly 10 months left in his term.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the people should "have a voice" about the next justice.

"The American people may well elect a president who decides to nominate Judge Garland for Senate consideration. The next president may also nominate someone very different. Either way, our view is this: Give the people a voice," McConnell said, according to USA TODAY.

In contrast, Barrett's confirmation process proceeded with only weeks left until the presidential election.

 

 


Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, Biden’s Democrat buddy is also refusing to call an inquiry to investigate Biden in his catastrophic Afghanistan withdrawal resulting in unnecessary deaths of 13 US soldiers and hundreds of locals near Kabul airport recently. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:01 AM, 7heaven said:


Think u have to read paragraphs carefully. 
 

The starting sentence of who has been US president … is a prelude to the fact that Joe Biden has 7months to change the deal with Taliban but he did nothing. 

 

 

 

No, Biden was more or less charged to execute the details of Trump's dodgy Taliban deal... with his hands quite bound.

 

For any change Biden would have required the consent of the Taliban.

Do you seriously think the Taliban would have agreed to any different deal???

 

And again you are ignoring the consequences what would have happened if Biden had halted the deal, revoked it or if he had not withdrawn all soldiers by a certain date.

 

Please tell us what would have happened in that case in Afghanistan?

 

Go ahead and post your unrealistic and out of the world posts...

 

 

 

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:09 AM, 7heaven said:


Nancy Pelosi, House Speaker, Biden’s Democrat buddy is also refusing to call an inquiry to investigate Biden in his catastrophic Afghanistan withdrawal resulting in unnecessary deaths of 13 US soldiers and hundreds of locals near Kabul airport recently. 

 

this is another superfluous repeat of some of your earlier posts... 

 

Just political rhetoric from a certain direction with no intellectual substance.... 

 

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:05 AM, singalion said:

 

As usual face saving measures ...

 

Nobody was talking on anything different than the tablet form and Trump himself was never talking about hydroxychloroquine to be used as a nasal spray against Covid-19...

 

We are talking about US and not India... Trump was also never referring to India in any of his speeches but recommending the use in the US.

 

 


Again, it is ironic that u are trying to save your face. COVID and HCQ don’t distinguish where the people are geographically located to infect or treat. Lancet is an international renowned medical journal and because of their hasty publication of unverified research articles on HCQ, researchers cannot do their work to find out more about HCQ efficacy. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:10 AM, singalion said:

 

No, Biden was more or less charged to execute the details of Trump's dodgy Taliban deal... with his hands quite bound.

 

For any change Biden would have required the consent of the Taliban.

Do you seriously think the Taliban would have agreed to any different deal???

 

And again you are ignoring the consequences what would have happened if Biden had halted the deal, revoked it or if he had not withdrawn all soldiers by a certain date.

 

Please tell us what would have happened in that case in Afghanistan?

 

Go ahead and post your unrealistic and out of the world posts...

 

 

 

 


Lol. It is illogical that Biden has the power to change all of Trump’s immigration policies on first week of his presidency somehow has his hands quite bound. This is the lamest excuse and attempt to deflect Biden’s Afghan blunder on someone else except himself. 
 

Did Biden even attempt to change the deal with Taliban; no he didn’t. So we will never find out if Taliban will consent or not because Biden made no attempt to change it. 
 

Biden has all the intel, national security folks and military generals to scenario plan, so he should have asked them to plan. There is no point to ask me because I do not have all these resources Biden has at his disposal. 
 

Go ahead and blindly defend Biden…

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:12 AM, 7heaven said:

Again, it is ironic that u are trying to save your face.

 

 

Not from me.

 

You had taken the Trump speeches out of the context to save your face from embarrassement or save Trump.

 

It is a fact that Trump was always talking of taking Hydroxychloroquine in tablet form and not as a nasal spray.

Trump was even referring to using it by injecting it into the body.

 

Go on with your denial of facts.

 

If you google properly you will find a most recent research stating the imminent dangers in using Hydroxychloroquine against Covid-19 (in tablet form).

 

 

Researchers Urge Doctors To Stop Prescribing Hydroxychloroquine For COVID Treatment

By Dr. Mallika Marshall September 8, 2021 at 11:58 pm
 
Now, after reviewing the newest data from five clinical trials involving hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19, researchers once again found no significant benefit and the possibility of serious cardiac harm. They once again strongly recommend against its use for either the treatment or prevention of COVID-19.
 
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On 9/10/2021 at 12:19 AM, singalion said:

 

 

Not from me.

 

You had taken the Trump speeches out of the context to save your face from embarrassement or save Trump.

 

It is a fact that Trump was always talking of taking Hydroxychloroquine in tablet form and not as a nasal spray.

Trump was even referring to using it by injecting it into the body.

 

Go on with your denial of facts.

 

If you google properly you will find a most recent research stating the imminent dangers in using Hydroxychloroquine against Covid-19 (in tablet form).

 

 

Researchers Urge Doctors To Stop Prescribing Hydroxychloroquine For COVID Treatment

By Dr. Mallika Marshall September 8, 2021 at 11:58 pm
 
Now, after reviewing the newest data from five clinical trials involving hydroxychloroquine and COVID-19, researchers once again found no significant benefit and the possibility of serious cardiac harm. They once again strongly recommend against its use for either the treatment or prevention of COVID-19.
 


It has always been about taking HCQ in general. Now as usual, when there is credible study from Singapore to show that HCQ is effective that supports trump, as usual, you shift your goal post to narrow down to spray vs tablet. Lol. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:19 AM, 7heaven said:

It is illogical that Biden has the power to change all of Trump’s immigration policies on first week of his presidency somehow has his hands quite bound. This is the lamest excuse and attempt to deflect Biden’s Afghan blunder on someone else except himself. 

 

It is more illogical that you deny the fact that a consent was required by the Taliban to change the Trump deal made with the Taliban.

 

The Taliban launched a warning strike in March 2021, which I posted some posts earlier.

 

You are just in denial of facts.

 

Your point on Biden is speculative...

 

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:24 AM, 7heaven said:


It has always been about taking HCQ in general. Now as usual, when there is credible study from Singapore to show that HCQ is effective that supports trump, as usual, you shift your goal post to narrow down to spray vs tablet. Lol. 

 

Don't act like a small kid.

 

Nobody and not even Trump was ever talking about nasal spray use of Hydroxychloroquine in his Covid 19 press shows.

 

Just stop with your attempts to distort facts.

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:11 AM, singalion said:

 

this is another superfluous repeat of some of your earlier posts... 

 

Just political rhetoric from a certain direction with no intellectual substance.... 

 

 


When something is called out against your narrative, it becomes superfluous and rhetoric and lacked intellectual substance…the irony cannot be more apparent.

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:25 AM, singalion said:

 

It is more illogical that you deny the fact that a consent was required by the Taliban to change the Trump deal made with the Taliban.

 

The Taliban launched a warning strike in March 2021, which I posted some posts earlier.

 

You are just in denial of facts.

 

Your point on Biden is speculative...

 

 


Somehow US with the most advanced military technology in the world needs a consent from Taliban. This is real logic indeed. 
 

So the Taliban launched a warning strike in March 2021 and Biden should cower in fear and retreat to his basement? 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:26 AM, singalion said:

 

Don't act like a small kid.

 

Nobody and not even Trump was ever talking about nasal spray use of Hydroxychloroquine in his Covid 19 press shows.

 

Just stop with your attempts to distort facts.

 


Don’t act like a small kid. Knowing that HCQ has been proven to be effective by Singapore team, u are now desperately shifting goal post as usual. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 1:02 AM, Nightingale said:

 

So tell us - How is 20% considered effective?

 

Forget about Lancet.  And if HCQ is so good, scientists can pursue HCQ effectiveness independent of Lancet's action.  Why aren't any country advocating further research on it?  You have failed to provide answers to these 2 questions.


I am not the scientist. Straits Time published the Singapore scientific team data that shows it is that % effective. Since they are the science experts and follow the science, so I don’t see why we should doubt them. 
 

Why forget Lancet’s huge blunder? Lancet is a renowned medial journal that is well respected by scientists worldwide. It is because of the retracted articles from Lancet using unverified data that caused scientists around the world to stopped their research on HCQ. And in Singapore, we have the article saying they have used HCQ and likewise in India. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:35 AM, 7heaven said:


Somehow US with the most advanced military technology in the world needs a consent from Taliban. This is real logic indeed. 
 

So the Taliban launched a warning strike in March 2021 and Biden should cower in fear and retreat to his basement? 

 

The Taliban launched a warning strike when Biden was considering in extending the deadline for withdrawal to a later period than 31 May. 

 

Again you are ignoring that Trump signed a deal with the Taliban where he agreed to the full withdrawal of all US soldiers by 31 May 2021 ( in exchange of Taliban not attacking the US soldiers. 

 

I assume you are simply ignoring or denying certain crucial factors and pretending the Taliban are an US ally... 

 

Your post is just another good example where you demonstrate that we shouldn't take your posts serious due to your total infantile naivity...

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:36 AM, 7heaven said:


Don’t act like a small kid. Knowing that HCQ has been proven to be effective by Singapore team, u are now desperately shifting goal post as usual. 

 

I don't thing that I act as a small kid or desperately shifting goalposts. 

 

Also I m not in denial of facts. It is public domain that Trump suggested Hydroxychloroquine in tablet form and never thought of or referred to nasal spray in any single of his Covid19 White House Press Reality shows. The US media inclusive of truth distorting Fox News extensively reported it. 

Watch the videos please. 

 

Your denial of facts are starting to become pathological also now...

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:31 AM, 7heaven said:


When something is called out against your narrative, it becomes superfluous and rhetoric and lacked intellectual substance…the irony cannot be more apparent.

 

No, it is already a fact that you repeated the same slogan already 5 times at this thread. 

 

It may be ironic if not troublesome in means of someone's mental state if you fail to recognise that your earlier post on Pelosi only contained political rethoric. 

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 1:32 AM, Nightingale said:

 

But aren't you supposed to be critical of information?  How effective is "effective"?  You don't need to be a scientist.  If people believe the 80-90% efficacy rates of mRNA vaccines, why would they believe in a mere 20% efficacy?  What happened to your sense of cynicism?

 

Again you still fail to answer the question: Why have countries including Sg and USA not pursue HCQ as a cure or preventive drug if you still claim it is good?  Why was it a flash in the pan in Sg?  Why trumpet it and then go silent?


You have misunderstood what the 20% means in the context of the Singapore scientists study on reducing getting Covid if they take HCQ. Next, we are digressing from the point about Trump’s call for using HCQ being dangerous as HCQ may cause side effects and what not. 
 

The fact that HCQ was even used by the Singapore scientists show that they are safe and the outcome of their studies show its efficacy. This shows that Trump was not wrong and Lancet had to shamelessly retract publications that were hastily prepared just to discredit HCQ using data that is not verifiable. 
 

The fact that the media don’t report doesn’t mean HCQ is not used. There are thousands of diseases and thousands of medicines today, do we hear about all of them regularly in the media? Your question is based on illogical assumption that since you have not heard anything about HCQ since means it is not being used in SG and US. 

 

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SINGAPORE - Using a throat spray or consuming the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine has been found to reduce the risk of Covid-19 infection in healthy individuals in areas with high transmission rates.

 

These findings were revealed by a local study of more than 3,000 healthy young migrant workers who were quarantined in Tuas South Dormitory in May last year.

The study found that taking a povidone-iodine throat spray three times a day, or the oral drug hydroxychloroquine once daily, reduced the likelihood of getting infected by Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, by over 20 per cent.


https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/throat-spray-and-hydroxychloroquine-found-to-reduce-risk-of-covid-19-infection

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On 9/10/2021 at 1:55 AM, singalion said:

 

The Taliban launched a warning strike when Biden was considering in extending the deadline for withdrawal to a later period than 31 May. 

 

Again you are ignoring that Trump signed a deal with the Taliban where he agreed to the full withdrawal of all US soldiers by 31 May 2021 ( in exchange of Taliban not attacking the US soldiers. 

 

I assume you are simply ignoring or denying certain crucial factors and pretending the Taliban are an US ally... 

 

Your post is just another good example where you demonstrate that we shouldn't take your posts serious due to your total infantile naivity...

 


So the Taliban launched a warning strike and Biden suddenly becomes fearful and should just yield and listen to what Taliban has to say? No wonder Biden gifted Taliban 83billion dollars of military equipment. 
 

Again you are ignoring Biden on his first week as President can stopped all of Trump’s illegal immigration policies, cancelled the Keystone gas pipeline and somehow when it comes to a deal Trump made with Taliban, he suddenly loses his mind and authority and cannot reverse, change or nullify the deal? 
 

I assume you are simply ignoring or denying Biden can change certain policies/deals but cannot change Taliban deal. 
 

Your post is just another good example where you demonstrate that we shouldn't take your posts serious due to your mindless defence of Biden’s huge blunder In Afghanistan. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 2:04 AM, singalion said:

 

I don't thing that I act as a small kid or desperately shifting goalposts. 

 

Also I m not in denial of facts. It is public domain that Trump suggested Hydroxychloroquine in tablet form and never thought of or referred to nasal spray in any single of his Covid19 White House Press Reality shows. The US media inclusive of truth distorting Fox News extensively reported it. 

Watch the videos please. 

 

Your denial of facts are starting to become pathological also now...

 


Ok, if u self-declare whatever, you and yourself only should be whatever u imagine it to be. Lol. 
 

It is clear trump was accused of promoting HCQ in general. Now that a Singapore study has proven HCQ to be effective, u start shifting goal post to narrowly define the form HCQ is taken. 
 

Your constant shifting of goal posts beyond apparent. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 2:12 AM, singalion said:

 

No, it is already a fact that you repeated the same slogan already 5 times at this thread. 

 

It may be ironic if not troublesome in means of someone's mental state if you fail to recognise that your earlier post on Pelosi only contained political rethoric. 

 


No, it is the fact you keep denying Nancy Pelosi’s inaction and refusal to call for an inquiry to investigate Biden for his huge blunder in the Afghanistan withdrawal that needs answers and calling out. This is to present to all who cares here to know how the current administration and other branches of government controlled by the same party are not willing to perform checks and balances. 

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I am so pleased with the actions of Biden now mandating vaccinations for most employed people,  like the military, public employees, teachers, healthcare professionals, people in the private sector, etc. 

 

This shows that he is a leader,  unafraid of the opposition and condemnations he faces from the miserable anti-vaccine low-life and his political opponents who exploit the idiocy of so many Americans. 

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"Religious Exemptions to the Covid-19 Vaccine"

 

I could not believe it when I first heard of this !!!  And it was by reading about United Airlines planning to place on unpaid leave their employees who claim this exemption to avoid the vaccine.   (This has boosted by some points my opinion of United Airlines...)

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/united-airlines-covid-vaccine_n_6139a878e4b00ff836e862fd

 

YES!  People are trying to claim exemption to vaccination based on religious grounds.  But not all religious organizations agree with this:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/opinion/religious-exemptions-vaccine-mandates.html

 

Will people seek religious exemptions from the law that criminalizes randomly shooting people in the back?

 

What has happened to RATIONALITY in human society?  Can we allow irrationality to prevail?

 

 

 

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 4:22 AM, Nightingale said:

 

So how have I misunderstood the term 20% if the sentence reads as "reduced the likelihood by over 20%"?

 

And no, I am not digressing from the fact that Trump likes to shoot his mouth off, making irresponsible statements.

 

Sure, there are thousands of medicine being used and of course HCQ has been used to treat other illnesses but NOT Covid in practice.  The 3,000 healthy young migrant workers who were quarantined in Tuas South Dormitory were just an experiment. 

 

1.  If that effective, why didn't they carry on with it and recommend HCQ to ALL batches of migrants workers and the whole of Singapore's population?

 

2.  You forgot that these workers are young and strong with fast  & high recovery rates.  So on that basis, you conclude that HCQ is effective?

 

For the 3rd or 4th time, you still fail to explain why it is not being pursued in the fashion like how the mRNA vaccines have been promoted. 

 

And doesn't that sentence sound familiar?  "You don't hear it doesn't mean it's not used".  You don't hear of unicorns and dragons doesn't mean they don't exist.  Your warped logic again.  By putting the entire blame on Lancet in blindly defending your abominable hero is no way to convince readers that Trump was doing the right thing.  And I'm tired of reading your smoke bomb of prevarication over and over.


You have failed for the umpteen times that the Singapore team and India have already used HCQ for COVID. Added to the fact that Lancet being a renowned medical journal caused the delay in scientists around the world to research on HCQ by publishing dubious articles to discredit HCQ using unverifiable data.  Based on all these, it clearly shows Trump was not wrong in recommending HCQ. 
 

Again, any intelligent people will know Trump is not a medical doctor and he would have gotten info about HCQ from his team of top doc. Such basic understanding is unfortunately not present in those suffering from Trump derangement syndrome. Also, when Trump in 2020 said vaccines will be out by end of 2020, he got fact-checked by experts. As we all know, the vaccines came out end 2020. 

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On 9/9/2021 at 8:22 PM, 7heaven said:

 

Again, any intelligent people will know Trump is not a medical doctor and he would have gotten info about HCQ from his team of top doc. Such basic understanding is unfortunately not present in those suffering from Trump derangement syndrome. Also, when Trump in 2020 said vaccines will be out by end of 2020, he got fact-checked by experts. As we all know, the vaccines came out end 2020. 

 

 

I am an intelligent person and I know perfectly well that Trump is an uneducated piece of scum who would not let any educated expert opinion get in the way of his personal interest.  This is why at the earliest in the pandemic he lied by saying that it is not worse than the common flu.  He lied when he said that children don't get infected with covid.  And remember how carefully he sought the opinion of his team of top doctors when he proposed to ingest bleach to kill the viruses from the inside!

 

And you should know about the mRNA vaccine that it did come out before the end of 2020 not because Trump promised it,  but because top scientists were able to create it with admirable speed, efficacy and safety that was hard to believe beforehand.  

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On 9/10/2021 at 9:38 AM, Nightingale said:

 

So Dr Birx is not "expert" enough?  The video I posted shows Trump was too cocksure even though he knew he was not a medical doctor.  1.  So did his team of "top doctors" say the pandemic would go away by summer? 

2.  Did they also say no need to wear masks? 

3.  If not, wasn't it highly irresponsible for Trump to do all these?

4.  How do you explain that despite taking HCQ, Trump still got Covid if HCQ is really that preventive?

So who is the deranged one then?

 

If doctors and researchers around the world were influenced by Lancet, then according to your theory on "signs", there must be something about not trusting HCQ, such that even till now, no word about HCQ as a drug against Covid.  All turned to mRNA vaccines.  For the umpteenth time, you fail to explain why HCQ is ignored today.  And you also fail to explain how I "misinterpreted" the 20% for HCQ.

 

ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS. 

5.  Did you vaccinate yourself with mRNA vaccine or use HCQ?  Did you even insist on that?

6.  If not HCQ, why not?

7.  What did your doctor say?


So the medical experts who told Trump about HCQ are not expert enough? 
 

At the early stages of the onset of the pandemic, which doctors or experts know about how this new virus work or attack? How do u know trump was still taking HCQ when he got infected? 
 

For the umpteen times, the distrust about HCQ last year was contributed by Lancet putting up the dubious research articles on discrediting HCQ. Also, for umpteen times, the fact that HCQ is not mentioned in media doesn’t mean they are ignored. They could still be used or not, we won’t know. Right now, with the vaccines available, it is not surprising they are preferred over other options that were used when vaccines were not available last year. 
 

At the time when Trump recommended HCQ, vaccines were not available yet. Right now, trump is encouraging people to take the vaccines.

 

You are now digressing again by asking personal question which is not related to whether Trump recommendation of HCQ is dangerous. It is not as shown by usage of HCQ by the Singapore team and India. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 9:35 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

I am an intelligent person and I know perfectly well that Trump is an uneducated piece of scum who would not let any educated expert opinion get in the way of his personal interest.  This is why at the earliest in the pandemic he lied by saying that it is not worse than the common flu.  He lied when he said that children don't get infected with covid.  And remember how carefully he sought the opinion of his team of top doctors when he proposed to ingest bleach to kill the viruses from the inside!

 

And you should know about the mRNA vaccine that it did come out before the end of 2020 not because Trump promised it,  but because top scientists were able to create it with admirable speed, efficacy and safety that was hard to believe beforehand.  

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Believe the intelligent person u claim to be have obvious baseless bias against Trump who is unable to distinguish between jokes and non-jokes. 
 

Trump administration introduced Operation Warp Speed that resulted in the development  of vaccines in record speed. This shows his leadership which his naysayers are uncomfortable to recognise it because it does not fit their narrative that trump is uneducated or incompetent. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 3:26 AM, 7heaven said:


No, it is the fact you keep denying Nancy Pelosi’s inaction and refusal to call for an inquiry to investigate Biden for his huge blunder in the Afghanistan withdrawal that needs answers and calling out. This is to present to all who cares here to know how the current administration and other branches of government controlled by the same party are not willing to perform checks and balances. 

 

Since when is it a denial of facts if any event has not taken place???

I assume you are starting to get very confused.

 

Further, your post is more evidence that you don't know how the procedures in the Congress are set up.

 

The opposition has every right to request for a inquiry...

but it seems they are aware that the Trump blunder from his dodgy deal with the Taliban would haunt them the same as the message exchanges between McCarthy and Trump on the 6 Jan 2021 will haunt them also...

Just a matter of self-awareness...

 

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On 9/9/2021 at 10:29 PM, 7heaven said:


Believe the intelligent person u claim to be have obvious baseless bias against Trump who is unable to distinguish between jokes and non-jokes. 
 

Trump administration introduced Operation Warp Speed that resulted in the development  of vaccines in record speed. This shows his leadership which his naysayers are uncomfortable to recognise it because it does not fit their narrative that trump is uneducated or incompetent. 

 

No intelligent person would believe that Trump's suggestion to use bleach to kill viruses from the inside was a joke. I saw a video from the press conference where he made this declaration.  He was damn serious!  Have a look at the video posted by @Nightingale on the previous page, where Trump not only suggests applying "disinfectant" inside the body, but also that "light and heat" could have a curative effect.  While saying this, he addressed poor Dr. Birx asking her to look into his genial ideas!  :lol:

 

IF after looking at this video you still insist that Trump was joking,  then you imitate Trump and his supporters who with a straight face say lies that everyone knows are lies.   This is how "The Big Lie" of Trump has become part of the American folklore! 

 

Trump didn't say those barbarities as a joke,  but his saying has become a joke for everyone (who is not afraid of him or one of his blind followers).  And it would be a big joke... if not...  if not people afterwards followed his suggestion by ingesting disinfectants, and died!  Their blood is on Trump's hands,  together with so much other blood of innocent victims.  This CRIMINAL!  :angry:

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On 9/10/2021 at 3:22 AM, 7heaven said:


Ok, if u self-declare whatever, you and yourself only should be whatever u imagine it to be. Lol. 
 

It is clear trump was accused of promoting HCQ in general. Now that a Singapore study has proven HCQ to be effective, u start shifting goal post to narrowly define the form HCQ is taken. 
 

Your constant shifting of goal posts beyond apparent. 

 

Your response demonstrates that you ignore certain time lines.

 

Trump would have been a crystal glass viewer with fortune telling abilities to know that exactly 18 months later that a nasal spray would be developed. It was never in his mind and you ignore that Trump was exclusively talking during his term for the intake of Hydroxychloroquine in tablet form or injection.

 

 

As usual you are just deflecting from your intended ignorance that you just can't compare Hydroxychloroquine taken by medical tablets with medication by nasal spray.

As long as you ignore this essential difference, you just disqualify yourself to take part on this discussion.

 

Your relentless harping on the same repetitions simply demonstrates your lack of sufficient intelligence to understand this subject.

 

It is futile to continue discussing on this with someone who has a narrow minded approach and intellectual limits.

 

 

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On 9/10/2021 at 9:22 AM, 7heaven said:

You have failed for the umpteen times that the Singapore team and India have already used HCQ for COVID. Added to the fact that Lancet being a renowned medical journal caused the delay in scientists around the world to research on HCQ by publishing dubious articles to discredit HCQ using unverifiable data.  Based on all these, it clearly shows Trump was not wrong in recommending HCQ. 

 

On 9/10/2021 at 10:28 AM, 7heaven said:

You are now digressing again by asking personal question which is not related to whether Trump recommendation of HCQ is dangerous. It is not as shown by usage of HCQ by the Singapore team and India. 

 

You have failed to understand for umpteen times that all major Medical bodies in most countries have disqualified Hydroxychloroquine as a cure against Covid-19. It has been assessed as more damaging and contributory factor to more Covid-19 deaths than having any health benefits.

 

 

Your incessant harping on the same nonsense is a demonstration of your limited acknowledgement of reality and your limited and selective view of perceived "facts".

 

Can you set your mind to accept the truth instead of going on with distortions.

 

Your repetitive behaviour  in obsessively sticking to something proven untrue and repeating the same endlessly is a sign of your severe personal mental issues.

 

 

This is just one of the papers on Hydroxychloroquine:

 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22446-z

Mortality outcomes with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19 from an international collaborative meta-analysis of randomized trials

Nature Communications volume 12, Article number: 2349 (2021) Cite this article

Discussion

This collaborative meta-analysis of 28 published or unpublished RCTs, including 10,319 patients, shows that treatment with HCQ was associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients, and there was no benefit from treatment with CQ. No differences were seen across subgroup analyses on patient setting, diagnosis confirmation, control type, publication status, or dose and the between-study heterogeneity was low. For CQ, the number of studies was too small to draw clear conclusions.

This meta-analysis offers useful insights for a challenging health situation. Hundreds of thousands of patients have received HCQ and CQ outside of clinical trials without evidence of their beneficial effects. Public interest is unprecedented, with weak early evidence supporting HCQ’s merits being widely discussed in some media and social networks—despite the unfavorable results by a very large RCT. Numerous clinical studies have been investigating HCQ and CQ almost simultaneously. Although several systematic reviews and meta-analyses are already available, they only consider the small handful of RCTs being already published (which were all included here)29,30,31,32,33. While data sharing has been rather limited to date in biomedical research, such openness can be transformative in generating knowledge. This pandemic has brought together a collaboration of clinical trialists agreeing to share their data, which allows this study to not only summarize the existing evidence but also illustrate the accumulation of evidence that would otherwise not be available.

For HCQ, evidence is dominated by the RECOVERY trial13, which indicated no mortality benefit for treated COVID-19 patients, together with longer hospitalization and higher risk of progression to invasive mechanical ventilation and/or death. Similarly, the WHO SOLIDARITY trial indicated no mortality benefit26. The RECOVERY and WHO SOLIDARITY trials used HCQ in comparatively higher doses than all other trials except REMAP-CAP. There was no evidence for an effect modification by dose (p for interaction = 0.29), and the combined effect of all the trials with lower dose did not indicate a benefit of HCQ but tended to a null effect (OR 0.97; 0.73–1.30) with wide CIs, compatible with the main effect estimate.

 

 

There are plenty other results coming to the same conclusion.

 

Need more evidence?

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On 9/10/2021 at 12:57 PM, singalion said:

 

Since when is it a denial of facts if any event has not taken place???

I assume you are starting to get very confused.

 

Further, your post is more evidence that you don't know how the procedures in the Congress are set up.

 

The opposition has every right to request for a inquiry...

but it seems they are aware that the Trump blunder from his dodgy deal with the Taliban would haunt them the same as the message exchanges between McCarthy and Trump on the 6 Jan 2021 will haunt them also...

Just a matter of self-awareness...

 


I assume u already know the real reason why Nancy Pelosi refuses to call for an inquiry into the Biden’s blunder in Afghanistan. Also, what was the secret meeting Biden sent CIA director to speak to the Taliban about, and how did Biden ended up gifting 83billions worth of US military equipment to the Taliban. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 1:15 PM, singalion said:

 

Your response demonstrates that you ignore certain time lines.

 

Trump would have been a crystal glass viewer with fortune telling abilities to know that exactly 18 months later that a nasal spray would be developed. It was never in his mind and you ignore that Trump was exclusively talking during his term for the intake of Hydroxychloroquine in tablet form or injection.

 

 

As usual you are just deflecting from your intended ignorance that you just can't compare Hydroxychloroquine taken by medical tablets with medication by nasal spray.

As long as you ignore this essential difference, you just disqualify yourself to take part on this discussion.

 

Your relentless harping on the same repetitions simply demonstrates your lack of sufficient intelligence to understand this subject.

 

It is futile to continue discussing on this with someone who has a narrow minded approach and intellectual limits.

 

 


Your response demonstrates your clear goal shifting tactic to narrowly focus on application of HCQ when there are actual results from Singapore showing HCQ is actually effective which proves Trump correct. 
 

It is futile to continue discussing with someone who cannot accept that Trump was not wrong on HCQ all along.

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On 9/10/2021 at 1:38 PM, singalion said:

 

 

You have failed to understand for umpteen times that all major Medical bodies in most countries have disqualified Hydroxychloroquine as a cure against Covid-19. It has been assessed as more damaging and contributory factor to more Covid-19 deaths than having any health benefits.

 

 

Your incessant harping on the same nonsense is a demonstration of your limited acknowledgement of reality and your limited and selective view of perceived "facts".

 

Can you set your mind to accept the truth instead of going on with distortions.

 

Your repetitive behaviour  in obsessively sticking to something proven untrue and repeating the same endlessly is a sign of your severe personal mental issues.

 

 

This is just one of the papers on Hydroxychloroquine:

 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22446-z

Mortality outcomes with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19 from an international collaborative meta-analysis of randomized trials

Nature Communications volume 12, Article number: 2349 (2021) Cite this article

Discussion

This collaborative meta-analysis of 28 published or unpublished RCTs, including 10,319 patients, shows that treatment with HCQ was associated with increased mortality in COVID-19 patients, and there was no benefit from treatment with CQ. No differences were seen across subgroup analyses on patient setting, diagnosis confirmation, control type, publication status, or dose and the between-study heterogeneity was low. For CQ, the number of studies was too small to draw clear conclusions.

This meta-analysis offers useful insights for a challenging health situation. Hundreds of thousands of patients have received HCQ and CQ outside of clinical trials without evidence of their beneficial effects. Public interest is unprecedented, with weak early evidence supporting HCQ’s merits being widely discussed in some media and social networks—despite the unfavorable results by a very large RCT. Numerous clinical studies have been investigating HCQ and CQ almost simultaneously. Although several systematic reviews and meta-analyses are already available, they only consider the small handful of RCTs being already published (which were all included here)29,30,31,32,33. While data sharing has been rather limited to date in biomedical research, such openness can be transformative in generating knowledge. This pandemic has brought together a collaboration of clinical trialists agreeing to share their data, which allows this study to not only summarize the existing evidence but also illustrate the accumulation of evidence that would otherwise not be available.

For HCQ, evidence is dominated by the RECOVERY trial13, which indicated no mortality benefit for treated COVID-19 patients, together with longer hospitalization and higher risk of progression to invasive mechanical ventilation and/or death. Similarly, the WHO SOLIDARITY trial indicated no mortality benefit26. The RECOVERY and WHO SOLIDARITY trials used HCQ in comparatively higher doses than all other trials except REMAP-CAP. There was no evidence for an effect modification by dose (p for interaction = 0.29), and the combined effect of all the trials with lower dose did not indicate a benefit of HCQ but tended to a null effect (OR 0.97; 0.73–1.30) with wide CIs, compatible with the main effect estimate.

 

 

There are plenty other results coming to the same conclusion.

 

Need more evidence?


Ok, does this article means the study done by the Singapore team is less credible? 

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On 9/10/2021 at 2:27 PM, Nightingale said:

 

If they were expert enough, why didn't they tell Trump to behave himself?  As early as in Jan, the German doctors had already warned that this virus was contagious.  The Wuhan pandemic in Jan was further proof of the contagious nature.  Are you saying the American doctors were so expert they didn't know that?  Then that shows how "expert" Trump's expert team was.

 

 

Are you suffering from amnesia?  Do you want me to repeat the links to show that Trump himself admitted to taking HCQ in May as a preventive measure?  But it didn't work because he refused the mask.  Even his personal driver contracted the virus.  So you tell me, how expert the "experts" were to let their Head of State talk cock and contract it in October 2020.   So much for "preventive" effect of HCQ.

 

 

Granted that the mRNA vaccines were not available yet, but without sufficient scientific proof, could a Head of State shoot his mouth off and talk about antiseptic and bleach as a cure or preventive measure without regard to consequences?

And I'm sure if his so-called experts worked hard enough, they would do all within their power to promote HCQ as a cure since their leader highly advocated it and took it himself.  

And if you said the vaccines are preferred over HCQ, this only goes to show HCQ was not just ignored.  It's DISCREDITED.  So does it mean you have yourself vaccinated with mRNA instead of HCQ?  So isn't it like a Toyota car salesman asking everyone to buy Toyota but he a  bought himself a Mercedes?

 

 

Again, you still fail to answer at least all my 7 questions I posed to you.  Singalion has also provided substantial evidence about HCQ failure.  In short, Trump's words were irresponsible and dangerous and that partly explains how USA came to be the world's leading Covid country under his leadership.  And Trump himself admitted that he had downplayed the danger of the virus in order "not to cause alarm".  But this flimsy excuse had cost far more lives than he had ever thought.  So much for your hero's leadership.

 

In short, let me echo Singalion's description about your posts.  They lack substance, fail to address my questions, nothing but warped logic and repetitions to throw smoke, which fails to work on discerning readers.


In short, HCQ being used by Singapore team showed effectiveness and HCQ was used by India showed doctors there trusted HCQ. 
 

Trump said he used HCQ in May 2020, he contracted Covid after that. Was trump taking HCQ in front of national television every day to prove that he has been taking HCQ religiously? 
 

On 9/10/2021 at 2:27 PM, Nightingale said:

And if you said the vaccines are preferred over HCQ, this only goes to show HCQ was not just ignored.  It's DISCREDITED.


^ this is a very lousy conclusion or assumption. If fish is preferred over duck as better means to get protein and people eat fish only, it doesn’t mean duck does not provide protein. Likewise, vaccines developed last year were targetted specifically at Covid, and HCQ was developed long before Covid was discovered. Therefore HCQ cannot be compared with vaccines in effectively treating Covid, but it doesn’t mean it does not help a single bit. 
 

Trump implemented Operation Warp Speed to move heaven and earth to develop the vaccines in record time and quickly banned flights from China into US in Jan/Feb 2020 only to be ridiculed by Biden and media party as racist. Had he yielded to these irresponsible people, many more would have been infected and died.  

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On 9/10/2021 at 4:50 PM, 7heaven said:

Trump said he used HCQ in May 2020, he contracted Covid after that. Was trump taking HCQ in front of national television every day to prove that he has been taking HCQ religiously? 

 

Oh, now you are confirming that Trump is a pathological liar?

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On 9/10/2021 at 4:37 PM, 7heaven said:


Your response demonstrates your clear goal shifting tactic to narrowly focus on application of HCQ when there are actual results from Singapore showing HCQ is actually effective which proves Trump correct. 
 

It is futile to continue discussing with someone who cannot accept that Trump was not wrong on HCQ all along.

 

You are moving on very thin ice.

 

Your rebuttal is just a mockery.

 

Everyone here knows that you have a serious issue that your arguments are worth nothing and then you desperately try to create impression by repeating the same nonsense over and over.

I guess others might call such behaviour retarded.

 

Your intention to make Trump now look like a medical prophet who foresee the use of nasal spray and hydroxychloroquine when he was talking about injecting it in March/ April 2020 is brilliant. But nobody will buy that.

 

And as usual you stand here like a real 🤡

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On 9/10/2021 at 5:26 PM, Nightingale said:

India doctors trusted HCQ.  US doctors didn't.  (Trump said he was just impressed by a female doctor)  Canada doctors didn't.  Japan doctors didn't.  Korea doctors didn't.  UK doctors didn't.  German doctors didn't.  France doctors didn't.  Australia doctors didn't.  New Zealand doctors didn't.  Spain doctors didn't.  Italy doctors didn't.  Russia doctors didn't.   China doctors didn't  etc etc.  What does this mean?

 

And you call 20% effective?  It's too marginal.  Nothing worth boasting about.  If Chinese vaccines proclaimed theirs as 20% effective, you would have cursed and sworn.


How do u know New Zealand, Japan, Korea, UK etc doctors didn’t use them? 
 

In the absence of next best alternatives in 2020 before the vaccines were developed,  HCQ was one of the possible medicine. 
 

On 9/10/2021 at 5:26 PM, Nightingale said:

How do you know he has not been taking it religiously?  Just because it was ineffective, you blame Trump's medical ritual.  If Trump based his "knowledge" on prevention on his "expert" doctors, then the intake part is not an issue.  If you fear getting infection and your doctor advised you to take at certain intervals, would you dare defy?  And why should you announce at what time you take your medicine in front of reporters' cameras?  Where's your sense of privacy?  So why are you shifting your goal posts?  Why resort to cynicism again when people say something substantial and you dismiss it simply because you don't want to believe it?  Stop talking like a child!


Now, we are just digressing. The whole issue is simply to determine if Trump was correct about HCQ, which he is based on the Singapore study and India using it. 
 

We do not know the exact prescription trump doctors told him to take because it is his privacy. 
 

On 9/10/2021 at 5:26 PM, Nightingale said:

This is an equally lousy analogy.  We already know duck and fish yield protein.  But HCQ is like an unknown creature and we don't know whether consuming it against Covid will yield poison like the puffer fish or not.  Trump was venturing into something unknown where only India tried to experiment but didn't bear fruit and Sg toyed the idea with nasal spray and both had stopped.  But Trump went ahead to advocate it.  That's different.  Shooting your mouth off is cheap talk but can cost lives.  Luckily people were not stupid enough to follow him.

 

"Help one bit"?  Suppose you owe loan sharks thousands and thousands of dollars and you want my help.  I say I can only lend you $5.  Isn't that also considered "a single bit" of help?  That's why I say your logic is ridiculous.

 

And if you are still repeating the part about banning flights, then it's self contradictory because just before he ended office, he allowed flights from UK, which was swarming with rising cases.  So there you are, cherry picking news to defend your hero.  And you still fail to answer my 7 questions.  Did you get yourself vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna or HCQ?


How do you know it did not bear fruit in India and that they stopped using it in India and Singapore? Again, trump did not shoot off his mouth in advocating HCQ because he had the advice from his team of top doctors and medical experts. He did not sleep and wake up one day suddenly dreamed about HCQ in his sleep. He is not a medical doc or scientist and his basis for advocating HCQ came from his team of experts. 
 

Ironically, it is the Lancet shameless articles put up by over zealous people just to discredit HCQ that led to experts worldwide from unnecessarily stopping their research on HCQ. Unfortunately they are many irresponsible people who simply put out lies and made up stories just to confirm their false narrative about the bad stuff they say about Trump. It is tragic that they even used a potential life saver in HCQ just to discredit Trump. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 6:32 PM, 7heaven said:


Nope, I am confirming Trump was correct about HCQ as confirmed by Singapore study and India using it. 

 

you didn't even make an effort to read the study you quote here to confirm this.

 

Let all BW readers read the full study.

 

It is a good way to show that you just are a 🤡

 

 

Throat spray and hydroxychloroquine found to reduce risk of Covid-19 infection: S'pore study

  • Apr 25, 2021, 12:00 pm SGT

SINGAPORE - Using a throat spray or consuming the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine has been found to reduce the risk of Covid-19 infection in healthy individuals in areas with high transmission rates.

 

These findings were revealed by a local study of more than 3,000 healthy young migrant workers who were quarantined in Tuas South Dormitory in May last year.

 

The study found that taking a povidone-iodine throat spray three times a day, or the oral drug hydroxychloroquine once daily, reduced the likelihood of getting infected by Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, by over 20 per cent.

The study was done by a team of clinician-scientists from the National University Health System (NUHS), led by Associate Professor Raymond Seet, a senior consultant in the division of neurology at the department of medicine in National University Hospital (NUH).

 

The researchers included infectious diseases experts Professor Paul Tambyah and Associate Professor Alex Cook, as well as Dr Amy Quek and Associate Professor Mikael Hartman.

 

Prof Seet said: "Dr Quek, Prof Hartman and I were early volunteers of the dormitory mission where we ran medical posts, swabbed and screened residents with infection who may require hospital care.

 
 
 

"At the start of the outbreak, the numbers of dorm infections were simply overwhelming. That was when we got together with Prof Tambyah and Prof Cook to come up with the idea of running a study, all with the overarching aim to help ease the burden on our healthcare system."

 

Repurposing accessible existing drugs such as povidone-iodine and hydroxychloroquine is a practical way to curb the spread of the virus, especially in regions where Covid-19 is rampant, said Prof Seet.

The throat spray can be bought over the counter at pharmacies while hydroxychloroquine will require a doctor's prescription.

 

A total of 3,037 asymptomatic healthy young men with an average age of 33, who produced a negative serology test result indicating no prior exposure to the virus, were studied.

 

These dormitory residents were mostly from India and Bangladesh.

 

The men were split into five groups, with each group given one of the following for six weeks: vitamin C (control group), zinc and vitamin C, the povidone-iodine throat spray, hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin.

 

At that time, Covid-19 clusters were still rampant in Singapore's dormitories, and residents were isolated or quarantined in their rooms which they shared with other residents.

 

After six weeks, blood samples were collected and analysed for their antibody response to Sars-CoV-2.

 

It was found that 70 per cent of those in the vitamin C group had been infected, while 46 per cent of those in the povidone-iodine throat spray group and 49 per cent of workers in the hydroxychloroquine group were infected with the virus.

Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests were not used in the study owing to the scarcity of PCR testing resources at that time.

None of the workers died or required hospitalisation due to pneumonia.

 

The workers largely adhered to their doses, with an overall medication adherence rate of 80 per cent.

 

Prof Seet said: "Oral hydroxychloroquine or povidone-iodine throat spray are existing drugs that are easily available and have known safety profiles. This can represent a viable preventive strategy for individuals living in a closed and high-exposure setting, especially in areas and countries where Covid-19 vaccination is not available or widespread." 

 

Still, he cautioned: "Until mass vaccination is successfully implemented globally, non-pharmacological interventions such as masking and physical distancing are the only proven measures to mitigate transmission."

 

Given the short half-life of both medicine, individuals are protected from infection only when they take the drugs.

Common side effects of hydroxychloroquine include headaches, dizziness, diarrhoea, stomach cramps and vomiting. These symptoms may be reduced when the tablets are taken with food.

 

Povidone-iodine may cause local irritation to the mucosa as well as allergic reactions, especially for those with iodine allergy. Individuals with thyroid disorders should consult their doctors before using the throat spray.

 

 

Given the short half-life of both medicine, individuals are protected from infection only when they take the drugs.

Common side effects of hydroxychloroquine include headaches, dizziness, diarrhoea, stomach cramps and vomiting. These symptoms may be reduced when the tablets are taken with food.

Povidone-iodine may cause local irritation to the mucosa as well as allergic reactions, especially for those with iodine allergy. Individuals with thyroid disorders should consult their doctors before using the throat spray.

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In CNA 25 Apr 2021 it was written:

 

Prof Tambyah gave the example of an outbreak in a nursing home.

"It's not something we are recommending across the board … If there's an outbreak, then certainly that is something that's worth considering," he said.

Researchers stressed that the drugs are not meant to be used for COVID-19 prevention in the general community if it is a lower-risk setting. 

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On 9/10/2021 at 6:46 PM, 7heaven said:

Now, we are just digressing. The whole issue is simply to determine if Trump was correct about HCQ, which he is based on the Singapore study and India using it. 

 

Stop distorting facts.

 

How could Trump base his talk on hydroxychloroquine from March 2020 on a research that was only published in April 2021????

 

Please explain to us?

 

 

 

 

 

Throat spray and hydroxychloroquine found to reduce risk of Covid-19 infection: S'pore study

  • Apr 25, 2021, 12:00 pm SGT

 

 

Anyone reasonable here can just conclude you are totally insane.

 

 

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