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On 3/20/2022 at 11:10 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

"I have used this episode to expose the dangers and warn my boyfriend against making naive mistakes like what this guy did. the voyeuristic"?

 

Wow.... I hope the boyfriend sees this and break it off with her immediately.  If she can go spy on her boyfriend now, what will she do to a husband in the future?   

 

Yes, cheating is bad.  But this cheating episode exposed some deeper issues of hers.  Hey J, wake up your idea and see for yourself if this is the type of person you want to spend the rest of your life with.  This might just be the tip of the iceberg to all her other underlying psychological issues. Be careful! 

 

I sure hope those guys who were catfished and the guy whom the boyfriend met will csi her out. Let the entire community know who this bitch is.

 

Who anyone sleeps around,  is also not any of her concern. Who is she to go warn anyone on that? Seriously.... and she even think she has the right to go demand an apology from anyone for that? 

 

Correction above. 

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How u want to execute your vengeance on guy 1992 is not our business, expose him and get him viral on hwz forum edmw by all means, but do not involve bw n our community!

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On 3/19/2022 at 11:25 AM, outdoorplay said:

which safra pool? i wanna seduce him


we can start to find out from who posts regularly in the thread of safra pool, name has any link to 1992 & deleted posts in  past few weeks

 

I think is a hot guy & that is how the boyfriend kanna curious & seduced

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I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. 

 

another case of bathroom cruising in Safra? think it was many months back got hear from someone here spilling the beans about a regular swimmer who cruise in toa payoh safra bathroom after swim. he lured a guy into his cubical briefly and the guy panicked ran off after nearly getting caught then came here to spill the beans through messaging. 

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On 3/25/2022 at 10:19 AM, Guest guest yi said:

I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. 

 

another case of bathroom cruising in Safra? think it was many months back got hear from someone here spilling the beans about a regular swimmer who cruise in toa payoh safra bathroom after swim. he lured a guy into his cubical briefly and the guy panicked ran off after nearly getting caught then came here to spill the beans through messaging. 

my first parag was quoting the ts

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On 3/19/2022 at 11:07 PM, Guest Watcher said:

moral of story: be prepared to be found out and judged when you cheat or get cheated.

 

the seducer flings looks to have sold him out easily if what the girl say is real.
 

so damn unlucky and unfortunate for this dude, this girl imply her bf witness this guy cruising for sex. 

 

anyone went to find out who is this 1992 safra cruiser blowingwind member?


i sus @gemini92 

 

anyone sus too?

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Actually, I think there are many seducers out there (whether straight, bi, gay, transgender, male, female, old, young etc.) .... maybe the important part is whether the bf / gf / married man / married woman can "stay committed" and "tahan" (overcome) the sexual lust / risk / adventure and excitement ... in this case J's Girl's bf .... 

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On 3/27/2022 at 1:28 AM, Guest gueszo said:


i sus @gemini92 

 

anyone sus too?


 

I raise my hand to support !!!

 

he has many likes on removed posts on fotos, why hot must go seduce attached straight ?!?!

 

some guys cannot control their cock and balls and bring shame to our community. chemical castration 4 him !!!

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I am more curious as to who TS is. Just bf-gf only and already start making such a big hoohah. Best for them not to stay together.

 

In any case, if the bf really turned out gay, it's better for them to know now, rather than to know later. The Women's Charter in Singapore is very pro-female one. I really cannot imagine living with any female bitch like that for the rest of anyone's life. If they really divorce in the future, the husband may just go bankrupt cos of the Women's Charter.

 

天涯何处无芳草,何须执著这根草。这跟草,臭又鸟,宁可去採街边草。

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got a feeling guest shakes head , guest gueszo and guest guest yi are all the same person. something feels off from the messages

 

and there's also the possibility ts is not even the gf but the boyfriend itself who failed to meet up and get his urges satisfied. damn lame if true.

 

just speculating / my two cents. 

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On 3/25/2022 at 10:19 AM, Guest guest yi said:

I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. 

 

another case of bathroom cruising in Safra? think it was many months back got hear from someone here spilling the beans about a regular swimmer who cruise in toa payoh safra bathroom after swim. he lured a guy into his cubical briefly and the guy panicked ran off after nearly getting caught then came here to spill the beans through messaging. 


Heard this from my circle of friends, you the 1 who told us? @juicyfruit

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Just a friendly reminder to all involved parties - please think carefully before you do anything which may cause you to fall foul of Singapore's laws.
 

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As of 1 January 2020, it is an offence to engage in “doxxing” in Singapore under the Protection from Harassment Act (POHA). Victims who face harassment due to online vigilantes sharing their personal information can seek redress under the POHA’s doxxing laws.

What is Doxxing? 

Doxxing occurs when an individual or entity publishes the personal information of a person or people related to him (e.g. relatives, friends or colleagues) in order to harass, threaten or facilitate violence against them.

Personal information refers to information that can be used to identify the person, such as photographs or videos, contact details, or information about the person’s employment, education and family.

 

The penalties for this offence are a fine of up to $5,000 and/or up to 6 months’ jail for a first conviction. These maximum penalties are doubled for repeat offenders.

 

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Examples of Doxxing

What is considered doxxing:  What is not considered doxxing: 
Publishing abusive and insulting comments about a person’s alleged sexual promiscuity and including that person’s contact details and photos to allow others to contact him

 

Quite apart from legality of, and the legal consequences arising from, the doxxing of someone, as all of us should be very aware on this forum, not everyone in our community is "out of the closet" and there may be serious repercussions for the out-ed individual. Please think carefully before you do anything that may inadvertently "out" someone; there's no laws on this but this is just basic human decency.
 

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both / all parties should give in to settle in private 

 

Accused seducer, silence in the face of pertinent makes you guilty, if what was said is true, an apology is decently due to the gf.

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On 3/19/2022 at 1:04 AM, Guest J’s Girl said:

This is a warning to all the guys here who are attached with a girlfriend: Do not betray your girlfriend.

 

To the community here, I have nothing against you. I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. My boyfriend, the best guy I have ever met, was over time eaten by the curiosity this guy led him into and eventually addicted to gay pornography. They arranged to meet for two consecutive Fridays and I thwarted their appointment because my boyfriend in his excitement forgot to put his computer to sleep and I saw their conversation.

 

I spent the week understanding what happened to my boyfriend and I have chosen to forgive him. To the guy who seduced him, I wanted to speak to you in private but have removed your posts and telegram and so I do not want to confront you in private any longer. I have catfished members here who told me there is activity on your account in recent days. You may think you are safe, but I have catfished one guy who said to have slept with you and another who went on a date with you. They have provided me with leads and I have matched them with your face photo you sent to my boyfriend many months back.

 

To all the boyfriends doing this in private, I have used this episode to expose the dangers and warn my boyfriend against making naive mistakes like what this guy did. Others can share their private details with this guys with some coercing, the same likelihood could happened to any other of you here. Everything done in darkness will be brought to light when the sun rises.

 

To you. Please post your public apology hereon and quit sleeping around.


I am sorry to read of what you have gone through. If your allegations are true, it was wrong for the accused to seduce your bf but it too was wrong for your bf to continue with him, both parties are at fault. It is also wrong of you to catfish sexual activities of others who is not your bf, his other sexual partners have nothing to do with you. 

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On 3/28/2022 at 12:00 AM, Guest guest_POHA said:

Just a friendly reminder to all involved parties - please think carefully before you do anything which may cause you to fall foul of Singapore's laws.
 

 

 

Quite apart from legality of, and the legal consequences arising from, the doxxing of someone, as all of us should be very aware on this forum, not everyone in our community is "out of the closet" and there may be serious repercussions for the out-ed individual. Please think carefully before you do anything that may inadvertently "out" someone; there's no laws on this but this is just basic human decency.
 


Hi Guest, thank you for sensible word of advice.

 

I apologise to @gemini92 for any misunderstanding which arose as a result of the strong tone used in conveying my point. I did not intent to cause harassment or dox you on a public domain of your private affairs. My stand has been for you to take responsibility for breaching my relationship with J by intentionally coming in-between us in a physical way despite you being someone else’s boyfriend. I can speak for all decent girls that none of us would wish for our future husbands to be cheating behind our back while appearing loving to us. You painstakingly reeled in my boyfriend over time and tripped him for your own sexual appetite, it is only decent for you to own up to your pre-motivated actions to apologise and I chose a public platform for shame to be your punishment. If you have any decency left as a man, your reply here will put this to a closure.

 

Thank you to the handful minority for speaking up for me and understanding me.

 

To the rest who stooped so low to lecture me when you condone an act that is wrong at different levels and facades, I hope you do not end up::

 

- realising you are an illegitimate son born out of cheating

 

- your partner now or future to be cheating behind your back physically and in love


- your parents to be cheating on each other now


as your views might be a direct reflection of your values found in your dirty bloodline and cocks of the same feather flocks together

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这真的是自食其果。有了伴侣,凡事都需三思而后行。偷情者不值得同情。

 

有理走遍天下,无理寸步难行。这事再闹大,那女友还是站了优势。

 

小洞不补,大洞吃苦。因该道歉的赶快道歉。男子汉敢做敢当。有谁难道不知,“地狱没有像女人嘲笑的那样愤怒”。

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On 3/29/2022 at 10:23 AM, Guest 小心为胜 said:

这真的是自食其果。有了伴侣,凡事都需三思而后行。偷情者不值得同情。

 

有理走遍天下,无理寸步难行。这事再闹大,那女友还是站了优势。

 

小洞不补,大洞吃苦。因该道歉的赶快道歉。男子汉敢做敢当。有谁难道不知,“地狱没有像女人嘲笑的那样愤怒”。

 

他们又不是什么夫妻·, 哪有什么情可以“偷”, 哪有什么果可以“食“?

既然“地狱没有像女人嘲笑的那样愤怒”,那就请你陪你那位好朋友滚回地狱去,好让我们继续在我们人间天堂逍游快活。不送了!

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On 3/28/2022 at 9:59 PM, Guest J’s girl said:

I apologise to @gemini92 for any misunderstanding which arose as a result of the strong tone used in conveying my point. I did not intent to cause harassment or dox you on a public domain of your private affairs.

 

And by the way, it is debatable if it intentional or not, but thank you for the public confession to your own crimes: doxxing and public harassment, both of which are punishable under the Singapore Penal Code. 

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This is my reply to Guest J's Girl in NUS Whispers Facebook page.

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This is the admin for the gay forum, where you posted your threat 'WARNING TO GUY 1992 AND GUYS WITH GIRLFRIENDS'(Thread locked). I think you are being over dramatic to come to our forum to ask for an apology from our member for "seducing" your bf. I can empatised with how you felt. I am sure you love your bf very much and I know it must have hurt a lot to know that your bf might be interested in guys. I can see that you are a go getter and you like to settle your challenges head on. The crux of the matter lies in the fact that 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'. I am sure many had given their advice to you, just that you refused to accept it.
Going to our gay forum to blast your threat directed at a person 2nd time around; 'LAST NOTE TO "THAT GUY". ADMIN SAY NO TO DRAMA' (which had been removed) will not resolve your issue with your bf. I think you need to sit down and think logically what is the next step for you. Don't let your emotions overcome your logic and make you do silly things. Which, you may have done and are doing.
You are still young and there are lots of opportunities to settle with a good man as you proceed with your life. Don't have to cling on to someone who might not put you first in their mind, don't be bitter and don't begrudge what has happened. When you learn to let go, you would have given yourself and others a chance . No point holding on to something you cannot hold on to and feel miserable.
I hope this message can drill some sense into you. It is not about your bf or others. It's you. You need to learn how to let go and move on with your life. It just not worth your effort to fight for someone who does not consider how you felt, even though to you, he might be "the best guy I have ever met" but the fact that you caught him flirting with another guy, might already indicate that he might be gay or at best bi.
I think instead of warning the other party and wanting to "speak" with the 3rd party, I would rather you sit down with your bf and let him come clean with you. The truth hurts, but at least you can get closure with your bf on his choice. Speaking to the 3rd party doesn't solve your problem, because there might be a 4th or 5th party further down the road, so speaking to the right person is key. You might think your bf is innocent. He might not be as innocent as you think. Usually, hormones work against us men. I know, because I am a man. Men will lose their mind when the urge overcomes their logic and they make bad choices. There are lots of examples abound, I don't need to elobrate.
Do be mature and logical and hear what he has to say and don't threaten or do silly things to force him to choose you. Things happen for a reason, he is not yet your husband and it is still not too late for you to decide the best solution for the both of you or at least for you.
Love can't be forced and no amount of happiness will get by forcing the hands of your bf.
Go and find your happiness with someone who can treasure and love you!
My 2 cent.

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This is a warning to all the guys here who are attached with a girlfriend: Do not betray your girlfriend.

 

To the community here, I have nothing against you. I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. My boyfriend, the best guy I have ever met, was over time eaten by the curiosity this guy led him into and eventually addicted to gay pornography. They arranged to meet for two consecutive Fridays and I thwarted their appointment because my boyfriend in his excitement forgot to put his computer to sleep and I saw their conversation.

 

I spent the week understanding what happened to my boyfriend and I have chosen to forgive him. To the guy who seduced him, I wanted to speak to you in private but have removed your posts and telegram and so I do not want to confront you in private any longer. I have catfished members here who told me there is activity on your account in recent days. You may think you are safe, but I have catfished one guy who said to have slept with you and another who went on a date with you. They have provided me with leads and I have matched them with your face photo you sent to my boyfriend many months back.

 

To all the boyfriends doing this in private, I have used this episode to expose the dangers and warn my boyfriend against making naive mistakes like what this guy did. Others can share their private details with this guys with some coercing, the same likelihood could happened to any other of you here. Everything done in darkness will be brought to light when the sun rises.

 

To you. Please post your public apology hereon and quit sleeping around.

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One time folly is forgivable , constant repeat cheaters of any kind: expose them to prevent them from hurting innocent.

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On 5/8/2022 at 11:16 PM, Guest Guest said:

This is a warning to all the guys here who are attached with a girlfriend: Do not betray your girlfriend.

 

To the community here, I have nothing against you. I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. My boyfriend, the best guy I have ever met, was over time eaten by the curiosity this guy led him into and eventually addicted to gay pornography. They arranged to meet for two consecutive Fridays and I thwarted their appointment because my boyfriend in his excitement forgot to put his computer to sleep and I saw their conversation.

 

I spent the week understanding what happened to my boyfriend and I have chosen to forgive him. To the guy who seduced him, I wanted to speak to you in private but have removed your posts and telegram and so I do not want to confront you in private any longer. I have catfished members here who told me there is activity on your account in recent days. You may think you are safe, but I have catfished one guy who said to have slept with you and another who went on a date with you. They have provided me with leads and I have matched them with your face photo you sent to my boyfriend many months back.

 

To all the boyfriends doing this in private, I have used this episode to expose the dangers and warn my boyfriend against making naive mistakes like what this guy did. Others can share their private details with this guys with some coercing, the same likelihood could happened to any other of you here. Everything done in darkness will be brought to light when the sun rises.

 

To you. Please post your public apology hereon and quit sleeping around.


one man sabotage

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On 5/8/2022 at 11:16 PM, Guest Guest said:

This is a warning to all the guys here who are attached with a girlfriend: Do not betray your girlfriend.

 

To the community here, I have nothing against you. I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. My boyfriend, the best guy I have ever met, was over time eaten by the curiosity this guy led him into and eventually addicted to gay pornography. They arranged to meet for two consecutive Fridays and I thwarted their appointment because my boyfriend in his excitement forgot to put his computer to sleep and I saw their conversation.

 

I spent the week understanding what happened to my boyfriend and I have chosen to forgive him. To the guy who seduced him, I wanted to speak to you in private but have removed your posts and telegram and so I do not want to confront you in private any longer. I have catfished members here who told me there is activity on your account in recent days. You may think you are safe, but I have catfished one guy who said to have slept with you and another who went on a date with you. They have provided me with leads and I have matched them with your face photo you sent to my boyfriend many months back.

 

To all the boyfriends doing this in private, I have used this episode to expose the dangers and warn my boyfriend against making naive mistakes like what this guy did. Others can share their private details with this guys with some coercing, the same likelihood could happened to any other of you here. Everything done in darkness will be brought to light when the sun rises.

 

To you. Please post your public apology hereon and quit sleeping around.


I recall I saw this post before and involved a bw member

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On 5/8/2022 at 11:12 PM, Guest Champ said:

What do you guys think of guys in this forum who consistently cheat behind their girlfriend’s back?

Your post should read:

What do you guys think of guys who consistently cheat behind their girlfriend’s back?

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On 5/8/2022 at 11:16 PM, Guest Guest said:

This is a warning to all the guys here who are attached with a girlfriend: Do not betray your girlfriend.

 

To the community here, I have nothing against you. I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. My boyfriend, the best guy I have ever met, was over time eaten by the curiosity this guy led him into and eventually addicted to gay pornography. They arranged to meet for two consecutive Fridays and I thwarted their appointment because my boyfriend in his excitement forgot to put his computer to sleep and I saw their conversation.

 

I spent the week understanding what happened to my boyfriend and I have chosen to forgive him. To the guy who seduced him, I wanted to speak to you in private but have removed your posts and telegram and so I do not want to confront you in private any longer. I have catfished members here who told me there is activity on your account in recent days. You may think you are safe, but I have catfished one guy who said to have slept with you and another who went on a date with you. They have provided me with leads and I have matched them with your face photo you sent to my boyfriend many months back.

 

To all the boyfriends doing this in private, I have used this episode to expose the dangers and warn my boyfriend against making naive mistakes like what this guy did. Others can share their private details with this guys with some coercing, the same likelihood could happened to any other of you here. Everything done in darkness will be brought to light when the sun rises.

 

To you. Please post your public apology hereon and quit sleeping around.


i got a keen sense of who this is, saw him tanning at toapayoh safra on saturday or sunday, my gaydar picked up his eyes looking. 

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On 5/9/2022 at 12:11 AM, Guest One said:


I recall I saw this post before and involved a bw member


the member is @gemini92 & he just earned a dedicated badge for logging in daily. if gossips were correct, he too is attached with girl. 
 

we can prepare our beer and snacks to watch the posts here and watch if this thread is targetted at him or he is a victim of coincidence. 

 

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On 5/9/2022 at 1:17 AM, Guest BlueSea said:


the member is @gemini92 & he just earned a dedicated badge for logging in daily. if gossips were correct, he too is attached with girl. 
 

we can prepare our beer and snacks to watch the posts here and watch if this thread is targetted at him or he is a victim of coincidence. 

 

 

Hopefully you're not engaging as doxxter... 

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On 3/19/2022 at 1:04 AM, Guest J’s Girl said:

This is a warning to all the guys here who are attached with a girlfriend: Do not betray your girlfriend.

 

To the community here, I have nothing against you. I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. My boyfriend, the best guy I have ever met, was over time eaten by the curiosity this guy led him into and eventually addicted to gay pornography. They arranged to meet for two consecutive Fridays and I thwarted their appointment because my boyfriend in his excitement forgot to put his computer to sleep and I saw their conversation.

 

[shorten version of the same post]

 

To you. Please post your public apology hereon and quit sleeping around.

 

On 5/8/2022 at 11:12 PM, Guest Champ said:

What do you guys think of guys in this forum who consistently cheat behind their girlfriend’s back?

 

The above 2 topics on March 19 and May 08 "Exposing Unfaithful Men who are attached with GF" whic I had merged into this post is from the same IP link who is "Guest Champ" and "Guest J's Girl"

 

On 5/8/2022 at 11:16 PM, Guest Guest said:

This is a warning to all the guys here who are attached with a girlfriend: Do not betray your girlfriend.

 

To the community here, I have nothing against you. I am here to call out a guy who seduced my boyfriend at one of the Safra swimming pool. He was fishing and attracting other guys in the changing room for sex. He got my boyfriend curious and begin chatting with him over many months. My boyfriend, the best guy I have ever met, was over time eaten by the curiosity this guy led him into and eventually addicted to gay pornography. They arranged to meet for two consecutive Fridays and I thwarted their appointment because my boyfriend in his excitement forgot to put his computer to sleep and I saw their conversation.

 

 

[shorten version of the same post]

 

 

To you. Please post your public apology hereon and quit sleeping around.

 

 

The above post which is a word for word copy of the same post posted by another or even similar person using another IP address who also posted the following "Memorable One Night Stand".

 

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On 5/8/2022 at 11:02 PM, Guest Harshith said:

One of my most memorable ONS happened few years ago in BKK. A bit jaded with the gay massage (as the guys servicing you are invariably just boys and I prefer mature men) I then tried to check out the saunas there by referring to their popular gay guide- a copy which I picked up at Albury on the way out. I was new to their sauna scene . I remember being in Babylon (automatically everyone's first choice as it's highly recommended) and came away dissappointed. A great sauna alright in term of facilities and ambience but too many preening ang mos, quite a few Thai money boys and, gasped, a few familiar Spore faces there.

 

[shorten version of the same post]

 

To cut a long story short, after his friend left us discreetly to ourselves, I was invited to his house for coffee but he said ' but no sex'. I was ok with that (in fact I respected that though secretly in my heart, I thought I could change his mind wiht my great oral skill) and we ended up in his apartment (it's the first time I've been to a thai home). After a few drinks we laid on tbe bed looking each other in the eyes (like in the movies). It's more romantic than sexual. I think he was pretty shy. I took the initiative by planting a kiss on his lips. And then more. He murmured sweetly that the kissing was very nice. We hugged and exchanged more kisses. Then, he felt asleep.  I hugged him closely and also felt asleep after that.

 

The next morning more kisses and sadly he had to leave for work. On the way out, the cleaning maid saw us and I think he was pretty embarrassed about that.

 

Some thai men are very conservative and will protect their sexual orientation at all costs. I think he's one of them. I gave him my number but he never call again.

 

So, no sex involved at all. But this experience still have a very special place in my heart. It's like being in love. Better than sex. Definitely better than chocolates.

 

With the above 2 post sharing the same IP.  You are not a spring chicken either with the above post.

 

I can now confirmed that the guest did not managed to find who was the person who seduced his boyfriend and is trying to use the post to stir shit to get to and expose the person who seduced his bf and it seems, that the supposing "J's Girl" is not a real girl but could be a guy who cross dress as a girl or thinks that she is a girl.  

 

Seriously, you really need to let go of your boyfriend and please get over it. Since March till May, you are stll not getting over what a stranger did. Your boyfriend is the problem, it is you that refused to think that your bf could be at fault no matter how innocent you think he might be.

It could be that "safra guy", later it could be another guy or guys. 

 

Enough of your shitty drama, girl or whatever you are.

Now fuck off and leave the rest of us to have our peace!

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