Young impressionable getting manipulated

[Guest guest]

I do feel that our education system should start introducing boys and girls on how to be wise when communicating with people - basically ways to source out red flags.

Boys and girls at a young age are definitely impressionable and more likely to be preyed upon by adults. Common phrases like “it’s normal”, “everyone is doing it” may sound harmless but instead these are manipulative in a way that it has started to plant an idea into the girl/boy. This young child has no idea where this stranger/“close” person is leading - and could very well be drawn to certain issues like “sexually awaken”, “masturbation”, “oral sex” or even penetrative sex.

My main point is could the reason behind repeal of 377a being unsuccessful be that the conservatives are afraid that more of such cases where the young are no longer “protected” by the law when right from the beginning these predators, who very well may not perform physical acts on the young child, might have mentally/emotionally planted a seed in this young children’s mind. 
i myself have experienced such emotional blackmailing where the adult goes “it’s perfectly normal”, “maybe you are gay” and perhaps that has form a belief in my subconscious that I like guys. But could it be that I was just being exposed to it without me being mature enough to judge for myself at that point of time, which led me to take this victim mindset upon myself.

 

my take is that if our education system is able to teach children how to discern and be wise about getting manipulated, then there is likelihood for 377a to be repealed because then there is no other excuse/reason people can give to say that this is needed to protect the young ones as they have been educated about it, and they have made their choice when faced with such situations - to go with it and “become gay” or to say they are “straight”. In other words, we educate so that no one can say “I don’t know about it” similar to STDs sex education. They educate so that if one were to engage in it and has gotten transmission, they cannot say “i don’t know no one has told me about it”
 

Open to hear your thoughts about this.

[Guest Huh?]

S377A is totally irrelevant to the topic in question.  Young people naivity and ignorance and arrogance are the result of society problem, our shallow education system and poor parental upbringing. 

[TPYmuscle69]

Let’s get real. 
Why are kids even allowed into places of worship or be indoctrinated with religious beliefs before they can have their own independent thoughts?
Just saying. 

[Guest Non-Existence Purple]

On 4/4/2022 at 12:32 PM, TPYmuscle69 said:

Let’s get real. 
Why are kids even allowed into places of worship or be indoctrinated with religious beliefs before they can have their own independent thoughts?
Just saying. 

Because those places teached them BLUE is for BOY, PINK is for GIRL.  Very main stream, very safe for the simple-minded  parents and children.

[Guest Unappreciated]

I am so sad my sis brought her son to church. You know the one with the theatrical set up in star vista where you drop your terrible twos and threes while parents enjoy free musical extravaganza with colorful laser beam strobe lights. When my nephew mentioned to me God thinks this and that I said to him God doesn't exist in reality, he is a part of fairy tales, and was scolded by my mother as bad influence and threatened to forbid me from seeing him in future if i said the same thing again!

 

Really good heart struck by lightning!

[MadMan]

Sometimes I wonder why these religious folks would let their children read the Bible when they forbid them reading porn or listening to pop music.

The Bible is full of stories about incest, adulterous kings, human sacrifice, rape, genocide, infanticide, fratricide and even mention of dick as big as a donkey….

 

[Guest Religion kills]

On 4/5/2022 at 8:08 PM, MadMan said:

Sometimes I wonder why these religious folks would let their children read the Bible when they forbid them reading porn or listening to pop music.

The Bible is full of stories about incest, adulterous kings, human sacrifice, rape, genocide, infanticide, fratricide and even mention of dick as big as a donkey….

 

Faith is blind..... 

Ask the crusaders and they will tell you God told them to kill and enslave people. Remember the three Abrahamic religions share the same ideology and god, so if one allows killing of innocent who refused to convert, the other also will allow anything as long as it benefits their religion.

 

Their cherry picking of rules to follow is totally whimsical, arbitrary and illogical!

[Guest Religions are insane]

Abrahamic religions are insanity packaged as Godliness.

 

Just remember the crusaders and their modern version - terrorists. 

 

All those three religions share the same crazy violent foundation.

[Guest Educator]

How do you educate your child to differentiate between reality and fantasy, to be a logical and scientific person of strength and kindness instead of a pretentious religious nutcase and hypocrite who minces their words, relies on self-hypnotisation and suffers from cognitive dissonance all day long?

 

Answer: teach them not about God but bible stories vs real life.

 

Stark fantasy vs reality! 😁

[Guest Angel]

Would you rather be blinded by love or blinded by faith? 😇

 

I guess those without love in their hearts knows the answer too well. 😇

[Guest Don’t Confuse]

On 4/4/2022 at 2:42 AM, Steve5380 said:

For many years I have posted about exercising,  eating healthy foods,  and just recently I started this thread "for gays who will be seniors one day".   Here I definitely indoctrinate, also by posting indoctrinating videos by others.  I guess that with what I write about emotional and relational issues that I know from experience,  I am also indoctrinating in a way.  But I am doing all this to be helpful,  not because preaching is my profession.  My profession is electrical and software engineering.  Could this be seen as preaching to computers? 

Yes, you indoctrinate by providing advice suitable for old gays who live 16,000 km away from Singapore and with little idea how Singapore parents bring up their kids. What is suitable fir parents in Texas is not necessarily of much use in Asia.

[Steve5380]

On 4/6/2022 at 12:02 AM, Guest Don’t Confuse said:

Yes, you indoctrinate by providing advice suitable for old gays who live 16,000 km away from Singapore and with little idea how Singapore parents bring up their kids. What is suitable fir parents in Texas is not necessarily of much use in Asia.

 

One can indoctrinate children and indoctrinate adults.  There are slight differences here.  

 

About indoctrinate children, you have ZERO experience because you have been unable to have children,  and now in Bangkok you are too old for this.  I raised, indoctrinated two children, very successfully. 

 

Indoctrinating adults,  the distance away and the age of the the indoctrinators are irrelevant.  The nice Singaporean Christians are being indoctrinated by a doctrine that originated a long distance away, by persons now 2000 years old, like Jesus Christ.  And the indoctrinator of the nice Singaporean Buddhists is even much older.

 

So your observations are irrelevant and malicious.  Please stop trolling me and criticizing what I write.

[Steve5380]

On 4/4/2022 at 6:27 PM, Guest Unappreciated said:

I am so sad my sis brought her son to church. You know the one with the theatrical set up in star vista where you drop your terrible twos and threes while parents enjoy free musical extravaganza with colorful laser beam strobe lights. When my nephew mentioned to me God thinks this and that I said to him God doesn't exist in reality, he is a part of fairy tales, and was scolded by my mother as bad influence and threatened to forbid me from seeing him in future if i said the same thing again!

 

Really good heart struck by lightning!

 

Well...  you are indoctrinating your nephew too with something you cannot know.  We cannot be sure that a divinity does not exist.  Atheism is A BELIEF, nothing more.  

 

You could have told the child that NOBODY knows for sure if what organized religions teach is the truth.  They teach many good moral rules, but their stories have no proof of being real.   You could have taught him to be wise and not take position in religious issues until he is older and experienced, and that belief in a power that is superior to humanity is a good thing to speculate about, but to keep it private.

 

 

On 4/5/2022 at 7:08 AM, MadMan said:

Sometimes I wonder why these religious folks would let their children read the Bible when they forbid them reading porn or listening to pop music.

The Bible is full of stories about incest, adulterous kings, human sacrifice, rape, genocide, infanticide, fratricide and even mention of dick as big as a donkey….

 

 

It does not seem to make sense,  but it does for religious believers.  In the Christian doctrine even children are held responsible by their acts, and it might not be a bad idea to let them know that a God expects them to avoid sinning.  And so they need to know a little about what sins are.   This should not hurt the children as long as their parents are not fanatically religious.  And even while promoting some religious education for them,  parents can help them a lot by showing some skepticism and agnosticism. 

[MadMan]

Atheism is not a belief. Just like you can’t say not playing any sport is a sport, or not having a hobby is a hobby.

Having no belief in a superstitious deity due to lack of convincing evidence is not a belief, it’s just common sense.

 

[Guest Blind faith]

If you believe in the Christian God you will believe in zombies, fairies and mermaids too because according to their always most right and accurate bible Jesus can rise from the dead, levitate and travel across the sea without a boat.

 

Also if I don't believe in a Christian God doesn't mean I am atheist and don't believe in Buddha.

[Steve5380]

On 4/8/2022 at 1:55 AM, MadMan said:

Atheism is not a belief. Just like you can’t say not playing any sport is a sport, or not having a hobby is a hobby.

Having no belief in a superstitious deity due to lack of convincing evidence is not a belief, it’s just common sense.

 

 

What you are defining quite well is agnosticism, which by the very definition of "no belief", cannot be a belief.  

The agnostic does not NEGATE the existence of the supernatural.  He simply "does not believe in it".

Like I don't believe in ghosts.  But I find no convincing evidence that they don't exist.

 

The atheist thinks differently.  He has no proof of it, but he believes that the supernatural does not exist.  And so, he is a believer.

 

I agree with you that NOT to believe, either the yes or the no,  is just common sense. ( the not so common sense )  We agnostics can enjoy the peace of mind that no matter how hard we try, we won't be able to gain a true knowledge about the supernatural.  Therefore, we don't worry about!

 

 

On 4/8/2022 at 5:53 AM, Guest Blind faith said:

If you believe in the Christian God you will believe in zombies, fairies and mermaids too because according to their always most right and accurate bible Jesus can rise from the dead, levitate and travel across the sea without a boat.

 

Also if I don't believe in a Christian God doesn't mean I am atheist and don't believe in Buddha.

 

Good for you!  

 

Since early childhood I was indoctrinated with all the doctrine about the Christian god, plus all the heavy add-ons Catholicism has made to the content of the Bible. 

But I never believed a word of it.   My agnosticism has never been a problem.  As a child I played along while benefitting from the good education of the Catholic schools I attended.  And I have a good opinion of the lower ranks of the Catholic clergy.  My educators were all good people.

[Guest Church mouse]

On 4/8/2022 at 10:05 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

Since early childhood I was indoctrinated with all the doctrine about the Christian god, plus all the heavy add-ons Catholicism has made to the content of the Bible. 

But I never believed a word of it.   My agnosticism has never been a problem.  As a child I played along while benefitting from the good education of the Catholic schools I attended.  And I have a good opinion of the lower ranks of the Catholic clergy.  My educators were all good people.

But you are not a believer because you do not believe Jesus died for you on the cross and rose from the dead three days later. Either you believe or you don't. Not sure means you don't believe.

[Steve5380]

On 4/8/2022 at 3:11 PM, Guest Church mouse said:

But you are not a believer because you do not believe Jesus died for you on the cross and rose from the dead three days later. Either you believe or you don't. Not sure means you don't believe.

 

What I am not sure is if belief is such a clear cut thing,  a binary yes/no.   It may be like sexual orientation,  a continuum between the two extremes.   For me, the resurrection of Jesus Christ after being dead for three days is in the same category as the existence of moons made of blue cheese in the vast universe.   Both events we cannot prove to be false beyond any doubt.

 

[hermit85]

On 4/4/2022 at 2:12 AM, Guest guest said:

I do feel that our education system should start introducing boys and girls on how to be wise when communicating with people - basically ways to source out red flags.

Boys and girls at a young age are definitely impressionable and more likely to be preyed upon by adults. Common phrases like “it’s normal”, “everyone is doing it” may sound harmless but instead these are manipulative in a way that it has started to plant an idea into the girl/boy. This young child has no idea where this stranger/“close” person is leading - and could very well be drawn to certain issues like “sexually awaken”, “masturbation”, “oral sex” or even penetrative sex.

My main point is could the reason behind repeal of 377a being unsuccessful be that the conservatives are afraid that more of such cases where the young are no longer “protected” by the law when right from the beginning these predators, who very well may not perform physical acts on the young child, might have mentally/emotionally planted a seed in this young children’s mind. 
i myself have experienced such emotional blackmailing where the adult goes “it’s perfectly normal”, “maybe you are gay” and perhaps that has form a belief in my subconscious that I like guys. But could it be that I was just being exposed to it without me being mature enough to judge for myself at that point of time, which led me to take this victim mindset upon myself.

 

my take is that if our education system is able to teach children how to discern and be wise about getting manipulated, then there is likelihood for 377a to be repealed because then there is no other excuse/reason people can give to say that this is needed to protect the young ones as they have been educated about it, and they have made their choice when faced with such situations - to go with it and “become gay” or to say they are “straight”. In other words, we educate so that no one can say “I don’t know about it” similar to STDs sex education. They educate so that if one were to engage in it and has gotten transmission, they cannot say “i don’t know no one has told me about it”
 

Open to hear your thoughts about this.

 

bringing the topic from religion back to this...

 

while that can be true, don't be surprise by how much kids know and how manipulative they can be

sometimes, they are the one leading the conversation and manipulating the adults, especially when the adults are not thinking with the correct head.

 

I have heard of stories, like that of a 9 year old girl who told a teacher (female) that she seems nice, then threatened the teacher not to scold or punish her, if not she will tell her parents that the teacher touched her inappropriately and was making sexual advances. Or story of a 15 year old who lied that he was 18 and has sexual interaction with someone, then started blackmailing him for money, else he will report to the police. 377A in this case is a double edge sword. While it could be the reason why the repeal is unsuccessful, certain mindsets are further reinforced by 377A. Also it opens up the possibility for exploitation.

 

Plus, grooming and predators are not limited to the gay community.

 

i agree that we should do more to educate the children about grooming and how people can manipulate them or emotionally blackmail them, and to stand up for themselves. But also must consider how to approach it in a balance way that it doesn't further stigmatize the community and the youths won't make use this "protection" to manipulate and blackmail others.

 

just my middle of the night, "it-sounds-better-in-my-head", 2 cents worth

[Steve5380]

On 4/11/2022 at 12:04 PM, hermit85 said:

 

bringing the topic from religion back to this...

 

while that can be true, don't be surprise by how much kids know and how manipulative they can be

sometimes, they are the one leading the conversation and manipulating the adults, especially when the adults are not thinking with the correct head.

 

I have heard of stories, like that of a 9 year old girl who told a teacher (female) that she seems nice, then threatened the teacher not to scold or punish her, if not she will tell her parents that the teacher touched her inappropriately and was making sexual advances. Or story of a 15 year old who lied that he was 18 and has sexual interaction with someone, then started blackmailing him for money, else he will report to the police. 377A in this case is a double edge sword. While it could be the reason why the repeal is unsuccessful, certain mindsets are further reinforced by 377A. Also it opens up the possibility for exploitation.

 

Plus, grooming and predators are not limited to the gay community.

 

i agree that we should do more to educate the children about grooming and how people can manipulate them or emotionally blackmail them, and to stand up for themselves. But also must consider how to approach it in a balance way that it doesn't further stigmatize the community and the youths won't make use this "protection" to manipulate and blackmail others.

 

just my middle of the night, "it-sounds-better-in-my-head", 2 cents worth

 

Children are like adults, except that they have less life experience.  Some are impressionable, naive, some are cunning, already deceiving.  The same as adults.  So many seniors are impressionable, and are shamelessly cheated out of their money.

 

Except with the children in our family,  we adults should be careful around other children.  The example you brought up of children threatening and blackmailing adults with false claims of sexual contacts can be real.  As an adult gay man we should have little to do with children, except our own or others in the family and friends.  If our work has to do with children, it would not be a bad idea to never be completely alone with them, or to be 'wired' with a voice recorder.  And never be too effusive with other's children, like embracing and kissing them.   We can reserve such intimacies for our lovers.

[hermit85]

agree... we have to protect ourselves

[PlayersGroup]

On 4/4/2022 at 2:12 AM, Guest guest said:

I do feel that our education system should start introducing boys and girls on how to be wise when communicating with people - basically ways to source out red flags.

Boys and girls at a young age are definitely impressionable and more likely to be preyed upon by adults. Common phrases like “it’s normal”, “everyone is doing it” may sound harmless but instead these are manipulative in a way that it has started to plant an idea into the girl/boy. This young child has no idea where this stranger/“close” person is leading - and could very well be drawn to certain issues like “sexually awaken”, “masturbation”, “oral sex” or even penetrative sex.

My main point is could the reason behind repeal of 377a being unsuccessful be that the conservatives are afraid that more of such cases where the young are no longer “protected” by the law when right from the beginning these predators, who very well may not perform physical acts on the young child, might have mentally/emotionally planted a seed in this young children’s mind. 
i myself have experienced such emotional blackmailing where the adult goes “it’s perfectly normal”, “maybe you are gay” and perhaps that has form a belief in my subconscious that I like guys. But could it be that I was just being exposed to it without me being mature enough to judge for myself at that point of time, which led me to take this victim mindset upon myself.

 

my take is that if our education system is able to teach children how to discern and be wise about getting manipulated, then there is likelihood for 377a to be repealed because then there is no other excuse/reason people can give to say that this is needed to protect the young ones as they have been educated about it, and they have made their choice when faced with such situations - to go with it and “become gay” or to say they are “straight”. In other words, we educate so that no one can say “I don’t know about it” similar to STDs sex education. They educate so that if one were to engage in it and has gotten transmission, they cannot say “i don’t know no one has told me about it”
 

Open to hear your thoughts about this.

 

Haters gonna hate. You think they won't come up with other excuses? The current fashionable excuse banner is "family values", "focus on the family" when what they really want to say is "All Of You shall believe in my version of God".

 

Edited June 21, 2022 by PlayersGroup

[Funchub]

No matter what idealogy you have.. Religion is the one of the most powerful and resistant...plus many ppl when they get older and closer to end of their lives, in search of meaning to life, will turn to  religion one way or another, therefore will have Never ending new members joining (its not simply waiting for the older generation to die out) ..even now, most of the world's conflict is religion influenced.

[Guest Guest]

On 4/12/2022 at 10:10 PM, Steve5380 said:

As an adult gay man we should have little to do with children, except our own or others in the family and friends. 

 

Oh ...really? What do you think of adults bringing underage children to watch drag shows? You seems to be quite supportive of such visits in another thread. Funny how you think children can be impressionable and naïve in one thread, but think they should be exposed to adult premises in others. 

[Steve5380]

On 6/22/2022 at 7:09 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Oh ...really? What do you think of adults bringing underage children to watch drag shows? 

 

 

I don't think about that.   The number of children brought by adults to see drag shows must be insignificant.

 

What is not insignificant is the number of children abused by their parents, like gay, or shy, or vulnerable children who are rejected by their fathers.