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On 8/4/2022 at 6:18 PM, Guest Why said:

ffs

yes, I said ‘probable’, so of course it is speculation. If it was a fact, I would have said ‘definitely’ or ‘confined’z

 

the point again, for the hard of reading (ie. you): I am talking about probabilities. Your posts are overweighted towards discussing everything that is a possibility, while you totally refuse to acknowledge what is more probable. 

 

this topic is now closed. 

 

No, wrong, you wrote in your post.

 

"probably"

 

 

On 8/4/2022 at 2:17 PM, Guest Why said:

the most probably means of transmission of the majority of local cases has been through contact in a sexual context (kissing, skin in skin contact, sex, etc.). 

 

ha ha. Let's remain accurate.

I don't even comment on the grammar structure here.

 

Actually, I fail to understand why you repeatedly need to pick on my posts.

 

Don't we aim at the same ?

 

Inform the community?

 

My main point here is (to justify my posts on dealing with yours):

Alert the gay community to watch out, refrain from any skin to skin contact, towel sharing, close contact etc.

Not all cases might be infections from sex but maybe these people already got first infected by the close contact.

We both don't know the background and what happened.

It is logic, if close contact to an infected person can cause a transmission, then penetrative sex would certainly do on a riskier level.

I don't think BW readers here are not able to realise this.

 

 

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 7:02 PM, singalion said:

 

No, wrong, you wrote in your post.

 

"probably"

 

 

 

ha ha. Let's remain accurate.

I don't even comment on the grammar structure here.

 

Actually, I fail to understand why you repeatedly need to pick on my posts.

 

Don't we aim at the same ?

 

Inform the community?

 

My main point here is (to justify my posts on dealing with yours):

Alert the gay community to watch out, refrain from any skin to skin contact, towel sharing, close contact etc.

Not all cases might be infections from sex but maybe these people already got first infected by the close contact.

We both don't know the background and what happened.

It is logic, if close contact to an infected person can cause a transmission, then penetrative sex would certainly do.

I don't think BW readers here are not able to realise this.

 

 

 

 


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On 8/4/2022 at 6:22 PM, PlayersGroup said:

@singalion I mean you don't need to repost what I posted la. Yes we both know the vaccines have side effects, we all know there is a shortage of vaccines, vaccines takes time to ramp up production, so what is the point being made exactly?

 

I believe in having a realistic sense of locus of control when faced with an issue. I see little point of being concerned about things clearly outside of our own control. We cant control demand and supply and vaccine hoarding by governments, I mean who are we?

 

In any case, the thing is self-limiting after 2 to 4 weeks, it is not fatal for most people with or without vaccines, so I'm not sure what "looming danger" of vaccine shortage you are referring to. If it really spreads, it will, and unless it mutates, most won't die.

 

I'd say we better be more concerned about things like gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis and HIV, which are far more common and far worse consequences if undetected untreated.

 

What we Can do and control as individuals, just be sane and take reasonable precautions. I find groupsex enjoyable, but clearly now is not a good time, so it is within my control and I cancelled one. It is within my control to meet less guys for fun. It is within my control to avoid saunas and cruising for the sake of protecting my partner and my family. It is within my control to come here and contribute to discussion constructively, that's all right?

 

If you believe strongly in advocating for a change in policy direction, write to the Ministry of Health, all the key people are contactable. I think BW is a nice place with nice people generally, minus all the catfish, tricksters and minus those enthu negative guest trolls who think they are doing community service disrupting discussions here. But ultimately, this is only a community space, not a feedback unit.

 

Do you think people from certain authorities don't browse on BW?

 

My worries are not just to the gay community.

 

Take a look at the concerned countries, monkeypox has already spread into the community there.

 

Maybe, I don't wish for another Covid-19 restrictions scenario...

 

Please don't take my earlier reply personal. I simply responded to your reply to my post. Okies.

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 7:12 PM, singalion said:

 

Do you think people from certain authorities don't browse on BW?

 

My worries are not just to the gay community.

 

Take a look at the concerned countries, monkeypox has already spread into the community there.

 

Maybe, I don't wish for another Covid-19 restrictions scenario...

 

Please don't take my earlier reply personal. I simply responded to your reply to my post. Okies.

 

 

 

Honestly, I think they are very busy as it is. If we are not doing anything illegal, just having sex with guys of legal age,  they are happy to leave us alone, 377A or not.

 

But the enthu guests are freeier and definitely watching. 

 

Chance of a lockdown over monkeypox is very low I think. We didn't ever lockdown over chickenpox, did we? Monkeypox is a more severe version of chicken pox.

 

Don't worry about the personal bit, I generally don't take it to heart, I only respond when I see something worth responding to.

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Looking at how some of you are behaving, seems like someone who is guilty but trying very hard to justify his actions and behaviour to try and divert others' attention away from your guilt. If you fcuk around senselessly, even during this risky period, you could just another statistic in the monkeypox epidemic soon. Everyone knows which segment of the population are the main problem for monkeypox spreading and why. No point trying to make it sound like you are not part of the problem.

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On 8/5/2022 at 11:57 AM, Guest guilty conscience said:

Looking at how some of you are behaving, seems like someone who is guilty but trying very hard to justify his actions and behaviour to try and divert others' attention away from your guilt. If you fcuk around senselessly, even during this risky period, you could just another statistic in the monkeypox epidemic soon. Everyone knows which segment of the population are the main problem for monkeypox spreading and why. No point trying to make it sound like you are not part of the problem.

Please remember the problem is the virus and not the people. So why are you pointing at a segment of population?

If you really wanna point a finger at, it will be the whole world (everyone yeah include you!) are asking for it. Why? Because not every countries are helping each other to develop and educate their health and hygiene of the surrounding. HIV, Monkeypox, Ebola, etc these virus and diseases mostly came from 3rd world countries when people are living in an unhygienic environment and people are not educated enough to protect themselves. Is not their fault to live in that kind of environment when their countries are not wealth and also not their fault for not educated because their countries are poor. People like us in develop countries are lucky to get educated and wealth enough to build good healthy environment and facility.


Men in nature enjoy sex very much and I can said all men like to fuck around with different people as each have different stroke of fun and chemistry. Of course, as you grow older your sexual needs might have declined (like me and my partner). So men who live in develop countries are lucky because we are in clean environment mah but men who live in 3rd world countries also need their sex life but their environment and uneducated way of sex (fucking monkey) led to creating health problems. Then, just need a man from a develop country to fuck around with infected men with disease and virus in 3rd world countries and brought the disease back to own country or to other countries and the spreading begin….

 

So if we created the whole world environment clean, we can fuck around non- stop with not virus or disease except injuries due to fucking too hard!! But hell no we are able to do that because each countries have their own greed and selfishness…. So wanna point finger at someone it will be all of us, human/people! 

 

Sorry, I might not able to write a good explanation or story to inform your thought is kind of wrong. But I can’t hold not to say something about it 😤
 

 

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On 8/3/2022 at 3:40 PM, superflawless said:

There are cases every single day.

I strongly suggest getting vaccines for all who wants it to get it.

Even if we have to pay for it.

Notice I did not mentioned gay men. I would prefer the MOH allow anyone who feels vulnerable to get the vaccine.

Anyone with compromised immunity, in the hospitality line, in the military, who working in the service line, those in the medical field, anyone. Period.

 

I keep seeing such similar headlines whenever I search "Monkeypox"

 

Slow response to monkeypox exposes ‘tired, overworked’ US health agencies

“Unfortunately, delayed actions mean monkeypox has spread within the gay community and among other men who have sex with men,” said David Harvey, executive director of the National Coalition of STD Directors.

“This outbreak has grown to be a public health crisis in America. We are still in a very chaotic situation at the state and local level with an organized response.”

 

 

I hope the MOH acquire and distributes the vaccines for Monkeypox asap. 

 

 

Yeah, I agree MOH should provide vaccination options for those who want it and not just offer it as a PEP to close contacts. The problem probably is a lack of vaccines availability as mentioned above.

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Personally I think the Monkeypox vaccine (which is basically a smallpox vaccine) is way easier to order than the Covid vaccine, which at the time of release in 2021, are brand new mRNA vaccines. 

Plus a lot of countries were all fighting to Covid vaccines, as opposed to the Smallpox vaccines. They still think smallpox is a "gay" disease and not serious. 

And we got the Covid vaccines pretty fast, so ... 

Bavarian Nordic, Jynneos vaccine and even the older ACAM2000 should be ordered pronto for immediate distribution locally. 

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This is what our government is doing to tackle the smallpox situation. Which is basically... nothing.

 

"Monkeypox is typically a self-limiting illness, with symptoms usually resolving spontaneously within 14-21 days. Treatment is typically symptomatic and supportive.

There is currently no specific proven or safe treatment or vaccine available for the monkeypox virus. Vaccines and antiviral medication are being developed and studied for use in the prevention and treatment of monkeypox.
Before travelling to affected areas, you can contact Travel Clinics and seek medical advice from the doctors on what vaccines are available for your specific needs."
 
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On 8/5/2022 at 3:36 PM, superflawless said:

Personally I think the Monkeypox vaccine (which is basically a smallpox vaccine) is way easier to order than the Covid vaccine, which at the time of release in 2021, are brand new mRNA vaccines. 

Plus a lot of countries were all fighting to Covid vaccines, as opposed to the Smallpox vaccines. They still think smallpox is a "gay" disease and not serious. 

And we got the Covid vaccines pretty fast, so ... 

Bavarian Nordic, Jynneos vaccine and even the older ACAM2000 should be ordered pronto for immediate distribution locally. 

 

The Bavarian Nordic Vaccine is a specialised monkeypox vaccine.

 

The Bavarian Nordic vaccine is known as Imvanex in Europe, Jynneos in the U.S. and Imvamune in Canada

 

As to my research, stocks have been sold out until end of the year.

 

I m not sure if Singapore already bought sufficient stocks.

They say they have sufficient, but it might be existing old stocks.

 

The US and recently the EU has bought the majority of the stocks.

 

It is said that other nations will have to bargain with the US, if they part some of their stock orders with Bavarian Nordic.

 

Only in 2023 Bavarian Nordic can supply more vaccines, once they found a new manufacturing plant or when their plant that is currently under upgrading is ready.

 

The ACAM2000 seems no option, as it has adverse risk factors, which means it requires testing of the people to vaccinate first, before it can be applied.

 

 

 

 

 

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Two new cases of monkeypox confirmed in S'pore, including first local linked case

 

Published 5 Aug 2022
 

SINGAPORE - Two new local cases of monkeypox were confirmed on Friday (Aug 5), including the first local linked case.

The linked case is a 54-year-old man, who is a contact of Case 13, a 33-year-old man whose diagnosis was confirmed on Aug 2, according to an update on the Ministry of Health website.

 

The other new case on Friday is a 25-year-old male, and unlinked to other cases. He is the youngest reported case here. 

 

In total, there are 15 confirmed cases of monkeypox here, with 10 of them local ones. The remaining five are imported cases with recent travel history to Australia, Canada, Britain, the United States and Germany. 

All of them are male.

 

The ministry had announced on Monday that all monkeypox patients who are deemed clinically stable from that day would be transferred to a dedicated isolation facility.

 
 

The quarantine period for close contacts will now be cut to 14 days, followed by seven days of monitoring for symptoms through phone calls. Previously, the quarantine period was up to 21 days.

 

The current outbreak of the viral disease emerged in May and has infected more than 18,000 people in 78 countries, said the World Health Organisation on July 27. 

 

It declared the outbreak a global health emergency on July 23.

 

 

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Guest Covid >>>>>>>>>> Monkeypox

Covid affects the entire population, so govt budget and resources will go to Covid related matters. Monkeypox is of insignificant importance to the general population. So if you wanna have fun, take care of yourself yeah.

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On 8/5/2022 at 2:34 PM, dnalor20 said:

Yeah, I agree MOH should provide vaccination options for those who want it and not just offer it as a PEP to close contacts. The problem probably is a lack of vaccines availability as mentioned above.

Lack of vaccine also cannot admit,  just mention majority do not need vaccination but perhaps the best "vaccine" is to keep one's dick inside the pant and avoid unnecessary skin contact. 

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On 8/6/2022 at 10:35 AM, Guest Disgusting said:

Gays really need to stop fucking in saunas la! 

Asking gay men not to fxxk around especially in sauna is absolutely not possible. To be frank, majority of them can't go without sex. Anywhere cruisy, you will find them. From public toilets, pool or gym showers, quiet staircase, cruisy carpark or parks, etc....you can even find them in a str8 sauna. This is why we have a bad name.

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On 8/6/2022 at 11:58 AM, Guest Guest said:

Asking gay men not to fxxk around especially in sauna is absolutely not possible. To be frank, majority of them can't go without sex. Anywhere cruisy, you will find them. From public toilets, pool or gym showers, quiet staircase, cruisy carpark or parks, etc....you can even find them in a str8 sauna. This is why we have a bad name.

 

As though straight men and women don't fxxk in different places. Come on.

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 10:30 AM, superflawless said:

It's spreading locally.

I strongly suggest abstaining for the next few weeks. Even months. DIY

Don't go to saunas.

 

 

On 8/6/2022 at 10:35 AM, Guest Disgusting said:

Yeah pls stop mixing around le. Gays really need to stop fucking in saunas la! The world is complicated enough.

 

🤣 u r juz like asking a tiger or lion not to eat meat.

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It can be done. 

We must try our dardest to control this. Goodness knows, the government doesn't want to intervene. 

There is no indication they will want to provide vaccination for our community.

Secretly, I know they want us to implode and get infected in huge numbers. The numbers might be used against us later. 

As it is, Singapore is one of the most seriously affected by Monkeypox in Asia. 

So, consider turning celibate, for a while. 

 

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 1:39 PM, superflawless said:

 

Secretly, I know they want us to implode and get infected in huge numbers. The numbers might be used against us later. 

 

 

I dont think it is fair or accurate to make such an accusation. If anything, our govt is pragmatic, not stupid. We live in one of the densest population in a small country and ours is an ageing population, cases will spill over if unchecked to affect frail elderly, women and children. It is to our economy's benefit to keep any contagious diseases in check cos our only resource is manpower and a reputation as an advanced, safe and relatively efficiently run country.

 

Simpler reasons could be worldwide vaccine shortage n needing to prioritise to those at highest risk namely close contacts of known cases. It is also a self-limiting disease if people are responsible for their own health.

 

They do take action when needed, like the screening for Blk 2 Bukit Merah for TB recently. (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/more-than-150-tested-positive-for-tb-in-jalan-bukit-merah-moh-extends-screening). There were 107 cases there. I don't expect everything to revolve around monkeypox just because I'm gay. Also, covid is hardly over. Have some perspective of what we are dealing with as a country, not just what affects overwhelmingly MSM at present.

 

Can they do more for monkeypox? I suppose they can, if the situation calls for it. Is it time to do so yet? Views may differ.

 

We should be careful before we assume anyone is malicious. Even the anti-gay lobby, I just think most are operating based on religious belief and conscience. I disagree with them but I understand where they come from as fellow Singaporeans. There are more malicious actors of course who sow discord and hatred, but extremists comes from both ends of the spectrum, call them out. Otherwise, live and let live, most of us are sane.

 

As a whole, i dont think the authorities are malicious. They leave us pretty much to ourselves. I think 377A should be repealed, but as it is, currently it is not enforced unless you are a pedophile or drug abuser. AFA n gay community groups have been operating and we are able to go for regular checkups, hookups and all without duress. Pink Dot is held annually. Singapore can of course do better, there are many things that should change. The way forward is to be reasonable while advocating  expanding people awareness, tolerance and understanding of LGBT. Alleging malicious intent is unhelpful.

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 2:32 PM, PlayersGroup said:

 

I dont think it is fair or accurate to make such an accusation. If anything, our govt is pragmatic, not stupid. We live in one of the densest population in a small country and ours is an ageing population, cases will spill over if unchecked to affect frail elderly, women and children. It is to our economy's benefit to keep any contagious diseases in check cos our only resource is manpower and a reputation as an advanced, safe and relatively efficiently run country.

 

Simpler reasons could be worldwide vaccine shortage n needing to prioritise to those at highest risk namely close contacts of known cases. It is also a self-limiting disease if people are responsible for their own health.

 

They do take action when needed, like the screening for Blk 2 Bukit Merah for TB recently. (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/more-than-150-tested-positive-for-tb-in-jalan-bukit-merah-moh-extends-screening). There were 107 cases there. I don't expect everything to revolve around monkeypox just because I'm gay. Also, covid is hardly over. Have some perspective of what we are dealing with as a country, not just what affects overwhelmingly MSM at present.

 

Can they do more for monkeypox? I suppose they can, if the situation calls for it. Is it time to do so yet? Views may differ.

 

We should be careful before we assume anyone is malicious. Even the anti-gay lobby, I just think most are operating based on religious belief and conscience. I disagree with them but I understand where they come from as fellow Singaporeans. There are more malicious actors of course who sow discord and hatred, but extremists comes from both ends of the spectrum, call them out. Otherwise, live and let live, most of us are sane.

 

As a whole, i dont think the authorities are malicious. They leave us pretty much to ourselves. I think 377A should be repealed, but as it is, currently it is not enforced unless you are a pedophile or drug abuser. AFA n gay community groups have been operating and we are able to go for regular checkups, hookups and all without duress. Pink Dot is held annually. Singapore can of course do better, there are many things that should change. The way forward is to be reasonable while advocating  expanding people awareness, tolerance and understanding of LGBT. Alleging malicious intent is unhelpful.

 

 

I assume (if the government really has sufficient vaccine on hand) they keep it on a wait and see approach.

 

Once the infections spread into the community in higher numbers, they might come out with a plan to call risk groups to get vaccinated.

 

But the silence could mean that the Government missed ordering new supplies.

We don't know.

 

Most of the smallpox/monkeypox vaccines are horded in certain amounts due to military reasons...

The US also held stocks of the vaccine to act in case of any biological attack.

 

 

 

 

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I am very sure they didn’t order enough.

This government loves to toot its own horns. Since they remained quiet, this means only one thing:

not enough vaccines in Singapore currently.

 

If there are orders in stock or pending, they would have let their mouthpieces declare for the whole world to witness.

 

All this is conjecture on my part.

I wish the government would prove me wrong by declaring that vaccine is available now or soon for those who wish to be vaccinated.

 

 

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 2:32 PM, PlayersGroup said:

 

I dont think it is fair or accurate to make such an accusation. If anything, our govt is pragmatic, not stupid. We live in one of the densest population in a small country and ours is an ageing population, cases will spill over if unchecked to affect frail elderly, women and children. It is to our economy's benefit to keep any contagious diseases in check cos our only resource is manpower and a reputation as an advanced, safe and relatively efficiently run country.

 

 

Huh??? After COVID, some people can still use the phrases "It is to our economy's benefit" and "to keep any contagious diseases in check" back-to-back in the same sentence? I stopped reading everything after that.

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 5:13 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Huh??? After COVID, some people can still use the phrases "It is to our economy's benefit" and "to keep any contagious diseases in check" back-to-back in the same sentence? I stopped reading everything after that.

 

 

Yes I agree you should stop reading. So sorry to waste your time, quickly go away, to any other country.

 

For me, I am a Singaporean, and I'm staying put.

 

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I believe it’s incompetence.

In early 2020, four doctors pleaded with the government to impose a mask mandate.

But the government said, 

 

”Wearing a mask is not the most important thing to do to keep the coronavirus at bay, said Associate Professor Kenneth Mak, director of medical services at the Ministry of Health (MOH).”

You can refresh your memory by reading this 2020 $hitty Time 

Article

With Monkeypox, no doctors to speak up on our behalf.

So we are on our own.

 

Pretty sure no one went to order the vaccines.

if the government had ordered, they would have given us a time line, even if delayed.

All indications point to another slowed response to a potentially serious pandemic.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 5:43 PM, superflawless said:

I believe it’s incompetence.

 

I have no problem with beliefs, as long as we recognise these are beliefs.

 

If your definition of competence is getting it right all the time, then perhaps you are right. And by that definition, all governments would be considered to have been incompetent during Covid.

 

My definition is one that makes the best choices given what is known at that time. In early 2020, there isn't much concrete evidence yet. The only place that got it right with masks, as far as I remember, was Taiwan. Not Singapore, but also not South Korea, Hongkong, not Wuhan, not US or UK or anywhere else.

 

My definition is also one that learned and change course in light of new evidence for the best outcome. In this worldwide pandemic, we are not the best, but we have been very very fortunate. It is so with covid, and I believe it will be so for monkeypox as well. And yes, I recognise this is my belief. Only time will tell.

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On 8/6/2022 at 5:59 PM, PlayersGroup said:

 

I have no problem with beliefs, as long as we recognise these are beliefs.

 

If your definition of competence is getting it right all the time, then perhaps you are right. And by that definition, all governments would be considered to have been incompetent during Covid.

 

My definition is one that makes the best choices given what is known at that time. In early 2020, there isn't much concrete evidence yet. The only place that got it right with masks, as far as I remember, was Taiwan. Not Singapore, but also not South Korea, Hongkong, not Wuhan, not US or UK or anywhere else.

 

My definition is also one that learned and change course in light of new evidence for the best outcome. In this worldwide pandemic, we are not the best, but we have been very very fortunate. It is so with covid, and I believe it will be so for monkeypox as well. And yes, I recognise this is my belief. Only time will tell.

And yet, strangely enough, with all that we have learnt from two years of living with a pandemic, the response towards Monkeypox is still as slow.

it’s like we learnt nothing from our previous mistakes. And there were plenty.

 

Which is why the chicken shortage happened. Caught us off guard again.

 

Our government is always reacting, rather than being prepared.

 

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 6:18 PM, superflawless said:

And yet, strangely enough, with all that we have learnt from two years of living with a pandemic, the response towards Monkeypox is still as slow.

it’s like we learnt nothing from our previous mistakes. And there were plenty.

 

Which is why the chicken shortage happened. Caught us off guard again.

 

Our government is always reacting, rather than being prepared.

 

I think our monkeypox response has been measured so far and according to evidence. But you can disagree, I'm fine with that. 

 

I'm surprised you see the chicken shortage thing is a sign of Sg's incompetence instead of pointing it to Malaysia which started this whole thing in the first place and is now suffering from their own decision.

 

I don't know about you, but honestly, I continued to eat my KFC and I still have a few kg of frozen chicken thighs sitting in my fridge, presumably because we have a stockpile of basic food. We diversified and imported from Thailand and have agreement to import from Indonesia. What would be your idea of competence then? That we have our own chickens?

 

Coming back to monkeypox before the moderators say we talk irrelevant, let's just watch it, and I agree take care of ourselves in the meantime.

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On 8/6/2022 at 2:42 AM, lonelyglobe said:

Lack of vaccine also cannot admit,  just mention majority do not need vaccination but perhaps the best "vaccine" is to keep one's dick inside the pant and avoid unnecessary skin contact. 

And life would be so miserable isn’t it? Like going back to the sexless dark ages…

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On 8/6/2022 at 6:30 PM, PlayersGroup said:

 

I'm surprised you see the chicken shortage thing is a sign of Sg's incompetence instead of pointing it to Malaysia which started this whole thing in the first place and is now suffering from their own decision.

 

I don't know about you, but honestly, I continued to eat my KFC and I still have a few kg of frozen chicken thighs sitting in my fridge, presumably because we have a stockpile of basic food. We diversified and imported from Thailand and have agreement to import from Indonesia. What would be your idea of competence then? That we have our own chickens?

 

Why shouldn't the shortages of chicken be a sign of Sg's incompetence? If Sg had been competent enough, they would have sourced and imported the chicken from Thailand and Indonesia even during peaceful time. Why wait till the import ban from Malaysia happen, before they finally took the steps in allowing the chicken import from Indonesia (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/indonesia-chicken-new-import-source-malaysia-ban-shortage-sfa-2782901)  You might be having your "KFC" and  "still have a few kg of frozen chicken thighs sitting in my fridge", but what about the rest of the restaurants and food courts? Did they, quoting a politician, replace their chicken with "other forms of MEAT, like EGGS  :rolleyes:"? 

 

 

On 8/6/2022 at 5:34 PM, PlayersGroup said:

 

Yes I agree you should stop reading. So sorry to waste your time, quickly go away, to any other country.

 

For me, I am a Singaporean, and I'm staying put.

 

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Yes, as usual, mudslinging the poorer performing countries to make yourself look good and feel better. This strategy has been overused and has gotten pretty lame already. 

 

 

On 8/6/2022 at 5:59 PM, PlayersGroup said:

My definition is also one that learned and change course in light of new evidence for the best outcome. In this worldwide pandemic, we are not the best, but we have been very very fortunate. It is so with covid, and I believe it will be so for monkeypox as well. And yes, I recognise this is my belief. Only time will tell.

 

You can't tell whatever time has got to say to you, if you don't even want to listen to what time has told all of us.

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 2:32 PM, PlayersGroup said:

They do take action when needed, like the screening for Blk 2 Bukit Merah for TB recently. (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/more-than-150-tested-positive-for-tb-in-jalan-bukit-merah-moh-extends-screening). There were 107 cases there. I don't expect everything to revolve around monkeypox just because I'm gay. Also, covid is hardly over. Have some perspective of what we are dealing with as a country, not just what affects overwhelmingly MSM at present.

 

Oh! So, screening Blk 2 Bukit Merah for TB is your idea of action? So I guess asking everyone to check themselves for monkeypox symptoms is also a good enough action for you? Did anyone offer those people in Blk 2 Bukit Merah another shot of the BCG, which is a TB vaccine? No.

 

Of course, most people would have gone for their BCG shots when they are in primary schools. But BCG is good for at most 15 years. And the fact that 107 cases of TB infection there is already evidence enough that the effectiveness of the previous BCG vaccine has waned over the years. So, were those people in the block offered another shot of BCG?

 

Oh ... but of course, I forgot, screening is an "action" good enough for you. Little things please little minds, especially wayang shows like those.  

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Alright Guest Guest, thank you for your sharing your perfect hindsight and perfect foresight, which Singapore unfortunately is really incompetent and sorely lacks, whether it's for chickens, monkeys or TB. I apologise for being an easily pleased deluded puny mind, thank you for enlightening. I didn't even realise I was mudslinging by listing covid deaths when you suggest Sg did badly. I am wrong, we should only compare with Japan and China. Thank you for pointing it out, I will go reflect.

 

I am also sorry to highlight 2 Bukit Merah, because they only offered screening to the block and the surrounding neighbourhood. They are only giving medical treatment, after determining they get TB. All these is just wayang, not real actions at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, you are saying they should have had just a little bit more wisdom to revaccinate all Singaporean adults everyone 27 years old and above because we only had 1 BCG at 12 years old which is clearly insufficient, right? How can they forget to help all these adults go revaccinate? Now that I think of it, maybe there are other potential diseases they should offer vaccines to all Singaporeans instead of waiting for disaster to happen. (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/when-is-bcg-tb-vaccine-needed/)

 

If you care to run for the next election, I'm sure a lot of people will vote for you. But I'm not sure if it may be beneath you and you may not want to concern yourself with such mundane mortal things. 

 

Here's another interesting article on monkeypox vaccines for us mortals. It's about US wrestling with a new method of vaccination, which may or may not work as intended.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/06/us/politics/monkeypox-vaccination-strategy.html

 

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On 8/7/2022 at 12:12 AM, PlayersGroup said:

I am also sorry to highlight 2 Bukit Merah, because they only offered screening to the block and the surrounding neighbourhood. They are only giving medical treatment, after determining they get TB. All these is just wayang, not real actions at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, you are saying they should have had just a little bit more wisdom to revaccinate all Singaporean adults everyone 27 years old and above because we only had 1 BCG at 12 years old which is clearly insufficient, right? How can they forget to help all these adults go revaccinate?

 

Ahhhh ... it is sooooo good that you now have the wisdom to see the errors of their ways. Looks like getting trolled is indeed a good medicine to boost your brain power somewhat. You need or want some more of it? I have excess to dish out to happily dish them all out to you.

 

 

On 8/7/2022 at 12:12 AM, PlayersGroup said:

Now that I think of it, maybe there are other potential diseases they should offer vaccines to all Singaporeans instead of waiting for disaster to happen. (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/when-is-bcg-tb-vaccine-needed/)

 

You mean .... like monkeypox?

 

Australia has secured the monkeypox vaccine and the vaccine advisory body, the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI), has recommended key risk groups be administered the vaccines including men who have sex with men who are at high risk of exposure, as well as anyone in the risk categories planning travel to a country experiencing a significant outbreak (https://theconversation.com/monkeypox-in-australia-should-you-be-worried-and-who-can-get-the-vaccine-187917)

 

Canada has offered vaccines to everyone, and even allowed their tourists to go get their monkeypox shots in Montreal as global emergency declared (https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/tourists-among-those-getting-monkeypox-shots-in-montreal-as-global-emergency-declared-1.5999789 )

 

And of course, in the USA, the CDC is recommending vaccination for people with confirmed or presumed monkeypox exposures as well as people at high risk of infection. (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/27/us-to-release-786000-additional-monkeypox-vaccine-doses-as-outbreak-spreads.html

 

 

Ohhh ..... but of course, you are only used to mudslinging the poorer performing countries to make yourself look good and feel better, so I guess you will not be able to see other countries offering vaccines to all their own citizens (and even other foreigners), and Australia is doing it even before the outbreak becomes too severe. Besides, screening and contact tracing type of wayang show is good enough for you. So why bother with offering vaccination to Singaporeans to happen before disaster strikes, right?

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I know the chicken issue is out of topic here but I can argue that it is indicative of the lack of foresight on the part of the government.

The Guest is right:

"If Sg had been competent enough, they would have sourced and imported the chicken from Thailand and Indonesia even during peaceful time. "

 

That is not only a valid argument and a pertinent one.

It shows a pattern with this current administration.

 

And the Monkeypox situation is a result of such incompetance.

 

Now, if anyone has any information about where we can get Monkeypox vaccine in Singapore right now, right this minute OR when it is coming to Singapore so all of us who wish to be vaccinated can do so, let us know now.

That would prove I am mistaken.

I would glad say sorry and admit I am wrong, if we know we can get the vaccine now.

 

I firmly believed the lack of response to tackle the Monkeypox is NOT a measured response but poor planning.

Mixed in with a nonchalant attitude because the govt still think this is a "gay disease" (which it ISN"T).

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Of course, Guest Guest you are always  completely absolutely right. I wouldn't want to spend time to argue with you. (You may want to read the link on BCG shots I shared regarding your most intelligent opinion about giving BCG to 2 Bukit Merah ppl.)

 

To be honest, sure I've always had high regards for Australian's health response. I believe you have read the link you shared, even for Australia, they secured only a small supply of vaccines and are only recommending key high risk groups to get it. Singapore has not recommended it for MSM yet. That is true.

 

I am also glad Canada is able and willing to offer vaccines to tourists. In US and Canada's scale of outbreak, I think it makes more sense than for Singapore. 

 

As for mudslinging, you can say whatever you want, I'm not bothered I let you win if it makes you feel good about yourself. I maintain Sg has done well for Covid and the results show. 

 

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On 8/7/2022 at 10:59 AM, superflawless said:

I know the chicken issue is out of topic here but I can argue that it is indicative of the lack of foresight on the part of the government.

The Guest is right:

"If Sg had been competent enough, they would have sourced and imported the chicken from Thailand and Indonesia even during peaceful time. "

 

That is not only a valid argument and a pertinent one.

It shows a pattern with this current administration.

 

And the Monkeypox situation is a result of such incompetance.

 

Now, if anyone has any information about where we can get Monkeypox vaccine in Singapore right now, right this minute OR when it is coming to Singapore so all of us who wish to be vaccinated can do so, let us know now.

That would prove I am mistaken.

I would glad say sorry and admit I am wrong, if we know we can get the vaccine now.

 

I firmly believed the lack of response to tackle the Monkeypox is NOT a measured response but poor planning.

Mixed in with a nonchalant attitude because the govt still think this is a "gay disease" (which it ISN"T).

 

So I think we agree that vaccines are short and governments around the world are probably vying for vaccines. And I hope we also agree with limited supplies means governments are having to prioritise. 

 

The contention is that you see it as Singapore lack foresight and has poor planning that's why the high risk MSM in Singapore are not getting their vaccines yet unlike in US, Australia and Canada. Based on what info is available, a good guess is that there is stiff competition for vaccines, but I don't know about the plans and effort behind the scenes and I don't pretend to know, so I think it is ok to have different conjectures.  

 

And the opinion is somehow supported by our response to the chicken supply issue. I do wonder if we could have gotten Indonesian and Thai chickens earlier. Then again, there is this thing called on hindsight, we always think we should know better when we look backwards in time.  

 

[Belated update 9th Aug 2022 for anyone happens to read this. I found the reason why Indonesian chickens were not imported earlier. High costs of transporting over the sea when we already had high amount of supply from Malaysia and possibly, and this is my personal read between the lines, quality issues https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/malaysia-chicken-import-ban-indonesia-food-security-meat-prices-2866676 ]

 

Another contention is that you believe it is because the govt do not care and think erroneously that it is a gay problem. I believe differently. I believe as a gay person, I have experienced more and more space over the years and attitudes are changing. I am also frustrated by the sometimes 2 steps forward 3 steps back on LGBT issues, but I believe there is and will be progress.

 

I believe the monkeypox response will be more robust if and when the situation calls for it. But I've said this before, time will tell, so I won't repeat from here on so as not to spam the pages, which gets irritating when individuals here get into ego arguments. I will try to only respond to good points in discussion.

  

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On 8/7/2022 at 11:07 AM, PlayersGroup said:

Of course, Guest Guest you are always  completely absolutely right. I wouldn't want to spend time to argue with you. (You may want to read the link on BCG shots I shared regarding your views to give BCG to 2 Bukit Merah ppl.)

 

Read it.

Duh.

So what?

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Why all the man get monkeypox but not the girls? Becos man and man have gay sex . So this is a FAG DISEASE. Go tell the doctor , you have gay  sex if you contracted hiv/monkeypox . Dont hide. Be proud of your sexual orientation 

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On 8/7/2022 at 4:21 PM, Guest Kong hee said:

Why all the man get monkeypox but not the girls? Becos man and man have gay sex . So this is a FAG DISEASE. Go tell the doctor , you have gay  sex if you contracted hiv/monkeypox . Dont hide. Be proud of your sexual orientation 


So you are basically the same as some members here very stereotypes.


So you saying Man got monkeypox -> gay sex

 

then you will have the following mindset lor like;

Man got small penis -> btm

Man with female voice -> Cao Ah Gua

Man speaks Chinese -> Chinese man 

Man speaks English -> English man

 
or you pick and chose whatever suit your position and benefits ?

 

The news never mentioned how it was transmitted and mainly to prevent our rainbow community got targeted. Most of us (rainbow community) fighting for it to prevent being stigmatized, yet you and some members here are making noises. Please use your brain and heart to think! You might never know one fine day if one of your male family members got monkeypox, people with same minded like you, straight away come point finger at your male family members said they must have gay sex! Well, actually, it wasn’t transmitted via sex activities! You and your family members will be continue told by other people that your family got “FAG DISEASE” and better don’t got near them! How would you feel? 

 

Then when this happened to you, you said people cyber bully you or verbal bully you, you got depression. Well, then next time dont do that to others lor. Please be considerate and hope such unfortunate don’t happen to you. 
 


 

 

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On 8/6/2022 at 6:18 PM, superflawless said:

And yet, strangely enough, with all that we have learnt from two years of living with a pandemic, the response towards Monkeypox is still as slow.

it’s like we learnt nothing from our previous mistakes. And there were plenty.

 

Which is why the chicken shortage happened. Caught us off guard again.

 

Our government is always reacting, rather than being prepared.

 

 

 

Why don't you work for the government then? 

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On 8/7/2022 at 5:00 PM, G_M said:

 

 

Don't waste your breath on such people Cityhallguy. There are gays out there like the guest above who hates themselves for being gay and yet they cannot be "known" as a gay and they will use degatory terms like "Faggot" to address others without realising that they are also addressing THEMSELVES.

 

Let these sad people be. They are pityful because they are in denial and they are struggling within themselves of who they are, deep inside. They have no way to vent out their frustrations of being gay in deep closet and they hate themselves for not having the courage to be free from the shakles that tied them as gays. 

 

Guest, you have my sympathy. The sooner you accept your own gayness will you be finally free.

 

Let's hope that the time you secretly meet with men and enjoyed discreet gay sex, you don't get the same "diseases" that you hangs on your mouth, you curse others with.

 

Krma is a bitch. Be carful what you sprout from your mouth 造“口业", it may come back to get you.

If so, karma should go back to you.  You have been a bitch yourself.  

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