superflawless Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 Pritam Singh Lifts Party Whip In 377A Debate, Hopes Varied Views Will Represent Singaporeans I am very disappinted in their voting record. MPs Sylvia Lim abstained Dennis Tan opposes the repeal Gerald Giam opposes the repeal Leon Perera supports the repeal Leader of the Opposition and WP chief Pritam Singh supports https://mothership.sg/2022/11/wp-mps-on-377a/ swimjogguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 Sylvia Lim supports repeal of 377A, her abstain of vote is for the constitutional amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, superflawless said: Pritam Singh Lifts Party Whip In 377A Debate, Hopes Varied Views Will Represent Singaporeans I am very disappinted in their voting record. MPs Sylvia Lim abstained Dennis Tan opposes the repeal Gerald Giam opposes the repeal Leon Perera supports the repeal Leader of the Opposition and WP chief Pritam Singh supports https://mothership.sg/2022/11/wp-mps-on-377a/ In Europe such repeals and bills did not get voted unanimously but disputed also. To me personally it looks like the WP intends to get out of the spotlight or hot seat. "Let the ruling party handle it, leave us out", seems to be the motto here for WP. A certain (majority) party in my view already mishandled the issue back in 2007... because they were cowards. The whole issue had already been buried in dust and forgotten, had they handled the matter differently in 2007. The India ruling in 2018 had shown how outdated the law is. What the ruling party fears is that the judges will take the issue at their hands and decide like the Indian judges. (And this would create a precedent, that the government intends to avoid by all means...) If you look at the last ruling from the Supreme Court the hints are everywhere that the law actually is unconstitutional. They just did not intend to offend the MP's in doing their job. The whole reasoning by Shanmugam goes in the same direction. Edited November 29, 2022 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) Actually, I find the position of the worker party more suitable. The decision to repeal should be taken without any pressure on them by the own persuasion of doing the right thing. With the majority party placing the whip onto their MPs, it will later be open for discussion that the PAP MP's "had no other choice" but to approve the repeal unless they intend to get excluded from the party if they vote differently than the whip. The decision in parliament if no whip would be applied would stand as had it been taken by the conscience and free opinion of their MPs. But now look what is going on! In all Western countries as well as those Asian countries that repealed the criminality of Homosexual acts, the decision was taken without any whip. Edited November 29, 2022 by singalion matric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockBottom Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, superflawless said: Pritam Singh Lifts Party Whip In 377A Debate, Hopes Varied Views Will Represent Singaporeans I am very disappinted in their voting record. MPs Sylvia Lim abstained Dennis Tan opposes the repeal Gerald Giam opposes the repeal Leon Perera supports the repeal Leader of the Opposition and WP chief Pritam Singh supports https://mothership.sg/2022/11/wp-mps-on-377a/ You forgot Faisal Manap https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/wps-faisal-supports-wear-white hotjock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why? Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 Does Gerald Giam oppose the repeal of S377A despite his fervent support for democracy? Today, no one can be trusted to be our ally. hotjock and superflawless 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lol Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 Im surprised dennis tan opposes 377A, he looks so 377A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Why? said: Does Gerald Giam oppose the repeal of S377A despite his fervent support for democracy? Today, no one can be trusted to be our ally. Ally or not, he is even worse. To try to preserve a hateful draconian law while being a fervent supporter of democracy reveals that he has a Split Personality. But because he is a politician, a "split personality" is in reality the lack of a true personality, replaced by whichever calculated positions benefit him personally. . Edited November 29, 2022 by Steve5380 superflawless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Why? said: Does Gerald Giam oppose the repeal of S377A despite his fervent support for democracy? Today, no one can be trusted to be our ally. 10 minutes ago, Steve5380 said: Ally or not, he is even worse. To try to preserve a hateful draconian law while being a fervent supporter of democracy reveals that he has a Split Personality. But because he is a politician, a "split personality" is in reality the lack of a true personality, replaced by whichever calculated positions benefit him personally. . The vote did not depend on him. I think it is more an issue with no spine because taking this decision not to vote for repeal he may think that he avoided potential backlash at his constituency. It was an "easy way out"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, singalion said: The vote did not depend on him. I think it is more an issue with no spine because taking this decision not to vote for repeal he may think that he avoided potential backlash at his constituency. It was an "easy way out"... Yes. We are saying the same thing. Your "lack of spine" is what I called "lack of a true personality". ( lack of essence is even better than lack of true personality) hotjock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superflawless Posted November 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Well, I am glad the archiac law has been repealed. I also got to see who truly is our ally and who isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why? Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, superflawless said: Well, I am glad the archiac law has been repealed. Shame on them for delaying repeal for so long once it was established that the S377A penal code cannot withstand the test of fire. That won't be the end; we still have to battle for protection laws and to reclaim Singapore as a secular country. On 11/29/2022 at 6:04 PM, StockBottom said: You forgot Faisal Manap This Malay MP has an eccentric personality. I still recall that during the pinkdot campaign, he encouraged the Muslim community to wear white. He belongs to the cave in remote mountain where human is non-existence. Edited November 30, 2022 by Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 28 minutes ago, Why? said: This Malay MP has an eccentric personality. I still recall that during the pinkdot campaign, he encouraged the Muslim community to wear white. He belongs to the cave in remote mountain where human is non-existence. Maybe he forgot that his oath is to the Singapore constitution and not to any religious books. You are right in pointing to the secular state. But now you are aware how people set their priorities.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why? Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, singalion said: Maybe he forgot that his oath is to the Singapore constitution and not to any religious books. It's not just him. Even to the point where I questioned if our politicians were acting in the interests of the public or themselves. Unfortunately most of their actions, words, and policies point towards the former direction and contradictory at best. As a result, I often votes with all my limbs (includig my KKJ) in their opposite directions to ensure my clear message is shoved right in. Edited November 30, 2022 by Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayersGroup Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 PAP took a long time and eventually moved in a way different from most countries that struck down such laws and approved gay marriage. In the name of striking a balance, PAP is trying to be a different face to different voters, creatively concurrently moving in two inherently dissonant directions. Time will tell if this is wise. WP, on the other hand, is increasingly wayang in my opinion, it says a lot without standing up for anything at all. It started off as PAP+, became PAP-lite and now acts like PAP-. I hope they live up to more in future. Even when I disagree with SDP, I appreciate their having a clear stand most times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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