The Death Of Gay Tumblr Blogs?

[Guest Guest-]

It simply destroys people's lives and violates individual's privacy. I hope those who posts these pictures or uses spycam and will reflect on the consequences of their actions.

[Guest guest]

I get the impression hbst is lost in his own world. Maybe its his way of dealing with the consequences. Good luck getting any real apology from him.

Anyway, if his blog was erased multiple times for the same reasons, he could be already on some blacklist. So.......

[hbst]

Yes, I was kinda lost in "my world".

 

Those of you who are cute enough to be able to seek guys easily for fun, or those who are lucky enough to find a loving partner and have a stable relationship, will not understand "our world", where people are horny and curious but unable to find an outlet… People who are too shy to meet other people. People who are not ready to come out yet. People who are physically unattractive and are constantly rejected by more attractive guys. These people found refuges in blogs like mine, because they were shut out from the world of better-looking guys. We the bloggers were just doing our part to make these people feel a bit better.  

 

But then, nobody is able to please everyone. I pleased thousands of people, but some guys were hurt in the process. I admit this, and I feel bad for these guys. I'm really sorry.

 

To some of you, I may be sinner with no hope of being redeemed. Whatever you think, it's alright. I have already admitted my mistakes. I have done my best to tell you the truth. At least I didn't hide or deny.

[Guest guest]

Actually you're wrong. You condemned yourself by doing this. By offending and hurting so many people, posting child porn, getting sued etc, you left a permanent mark on yourself. When you do find a partner, you will be constantly wondering if the past will catch up with you.

I cant say I am sorry for you. I just hope people consider the real consequences more before such things.

[Eujiboo]

Can people stop saying that every blog out there supports child porn . A lot of us reblog without knowing full details of the videos or pictures , and if we did , we'd most probably stray away . I'm pretty sure if they did really look like kids , the video would've immediately been taken down and as well the termination of blog .

 

Many of the other claim can and may be true, but there are lines we don't cross - like revealing full personal details (I know some blogs do that , but the majority don't ) .

[Guest Consequences]

Salacious news always sells!

 

Poor judgement doesn't make one a victim!

 

Whether your eagerness to help others or joy to be popular for having exclusive content or being secretly filmed by an-ex, the actions that led to your distress are the consequences of your actions.

 

If your boyfriend is a sneeky creep who secretly films you having sex and you are clueless about this - he's still your boyfriend and you chose to fcuk him.  If you can't bear to have your dirty little secret exposed than don't fcuk.

 

Similarly, if you blog salacious content, then be prepared to be taken to task by the authorities.

 

You decided to blog or fcuk.  You cannot now claim to be a victim.  In this age of digital image capture and ready access to the internet, the expectation of privacy is a myth.  This is the real world.

 

You cannot even move around naked in your residence unless there is no possibility of you being seen or else be prepared to be exposed on Stomp or facebook or other convenient platform.

 

If you cannot afford your dirty little secrets exposed then don't indulge period!

 

If you do, then you have to face the consequences and whining or bitching about it to shift blame doesn't exonerate you for your folly!

[Guest guest]

I think the funny thing is that hbst actually came here to broadcast his woes. The kind of stuffs he deals with, you would think secrecy is tops.

Maybe there is such a thing as drunk on attention.

[Guest guest]

Can people stop saying that every blog out there supports child porn . A lot of us reblog without knowing full details of the videos or pictures , and if we did , we'd most probably stray away . I'm pretty sure if they did really look like kids , the video would've immediately been taken down and as well the termination of blog .

Many of the other claim can and may be true, but there are lines we don't cross - like revealing full personal details (I know some blogs do that , but the majority don't ) .

Why do you do it then if you do not know? It sounds more that you couldn't be bothered.

[Guest some random dude]

Considering how some guests are not stopping the assault, lemme tell you a bit of a thing here.

 

There are some gay blogs that does their run at FB, Instagram, etc. and find these salacious content and uploads them on Tumblr without permission. And there are others that doesn't do any of those, but redistributed the contents by reblogging just because they thought it deemed safe to share it around. That means you are considered an accomplice for letting this happened, even if you take it down afterwards.

 

If you wanted to redistribute the content, you should have asked the original person who uploaded the content on whether or not if it is safe to redistribute (or in this case, reblog or repost). If not, you shouldn't be reposting it or reblogging those contents in the first place. Just because some salacious contents landed on Tumblr does not equates that the image is safe to (re)distribute.

 

The content can either be suggestive or full-on pornography, legal age or not, videos or images. It is not their (people who originally uploading their contents before it got "redistributed") fault that the content is spilled. It's because other people (who redistribute the contents without permission) pretty much broke their rule and spread it anyways.

 

What I meant to say is that the original people who actually releases their nude images and videos (cam4 can be an example) to the public have already given permission for the whole world to see. If it's considered leaked, however, it's obviously not consensual, and you shouldn't be redistributing it in the first place.

 

Do not be surprised if people actually are angry at you in taking their content down because you basically redistributed their content, unaware or intentional.

 

That being said, I am definitely sure that HBST has already learned his lesson; he knows the damages he caused and acknowledged the fact that it is his fault for doing so. So can we actually be grown ups and stop assaulting him with all these stupid guilt trips, it's not even helping him. You're just making matters worse, -victimsfriend-, you've already stated your point and now you're repeating it for no apparent reason.

[Guest Guest]

Its a world wide web. If u post ur pics online, be prepared for it to be seen by the whole world and get circulated.

[Guest Grow Up]

Can you both stop the childish squabble.

 

Instead of focussing on how to slavage your own situation, e.g restoring your blog, preventing your private glory pics from being circulated, you waste all your energy in trading words just like many of the brainwashed citizens of the country. They know they are in hot soup and instead of resolving the issue, and cutting off the cause of their own misery, they pick on each other with hurting words and allow 3rd parties who are exploiting all the benefits,  to laugh at their stupidity.

 

Remember Tumbir is after all a social media owned by powerful and rich individuals. Are you going to let them ruin your life, your character and the community? 

[Guest guest]

What are you pressing for yourself? Revolution against capitalist overlords? Seems like you have also been brainwashed by political wannabes to see a rebellion in everything.

[Guest Victimsfriend]

Random Dude: Thank you for pointing out the obvious that so many like Eujinboo refuses to acknowledge.

 

But my fight is with HBST alone. I'm sorry if it annoyed. You see I don't at all feel that HBST is remotely sorry for what he did. Every apology he makes is discounted some other reason. He's doing it for poor horny people...Not his fault he can't pleased everyone.... He's almost close to saying he was forced to do it and thus it's not his own fault.

 

By the way. Have you seen what he wrote in another thread in the IT forum about this other tumblr user Specsaddicted? Check out the site mentioned there. If what HBST claimed there is true, these pics and videos are now being sold by another unscrupulous person.

 

That's the extent of the harm he did. It's very easy for third parties to say, grow up, move on, fight against the rich people, or to pass pedantic advices regarding how everything can or will end up on the net. Again, whether they sing the same tune when it happens to them or their bfs is an interesting question.

[Guest Move on]

Both sides have their points .

But what is the point of these time-wasting explanations and complains.

Enough have been said. Chapter close or it does not do anyone any good if this carries on.

What's happened is history and cannot be changed.

Move on.

Now so many people are curious and will search for these videos and your friend or maybe your video will be seen by even more.

Let it go.

Let it rest.

Look at Jake and Edison, they know it is history, accepted and moved on.

The more you care then the more you will be affected.

Don't let others affect you. You control if others can affect you.

The public is forgetful and will move on.

So should you.

Please live and let live.

It is difficult, perhaps unfair that why it happened to you.

Repeating will not make you feel better.

It is your future actions that will make you feel better.

Move on please.

[Guest Victimsfriend]

I know of what you're saying. Without a doubt, tons of people must have already msged HBST for those videos. The same reason why my friend wouldn't even come in here to confront HBST himself.

 

We'll try to move on, as so many of you suggested. But we can only do so with the nagging thought that HBST and so many others of his lot will continue to do this. You can clearly see the hints in his post that he intends to start another blog eventually. The next time, they would be smarter and more careful and it wouldn't be this easy to confront them.

 

Perhaps we should all just stay at home, have no lovers, bathe in a steel box, and have no online presence, as someone suggested.

 

Thank you and sorry to all the readers who found this an irritating bicker.

[Guest I-Am-Who-You-Say-I-Am]

As the one that reported hbst's post of my friend's pics to the police that probably snowballed into all the rest closing down.. i apologize on his behalf to the REST tumblr removed. But it could be that the fact that we reported him to police as well as his entire blog to the tumblr to get it checked. Tumblr could have reviewed all blogs that were followed and mass clearing. Whether my buddy revealed some pics of himself on net which is unlikely so as i know him much more than his own parents. I know all his exs n what n who is capable of doing wad. Hbst n sgstarboys claimed that they got his pics from other sources elsewhere on the net n then post it on their blogs. N bloody critize him for being ugly and stuff. Of course he will use the law on them. I was the one that did the reporting to the police with 26 blog links to the police and he just followed me to give his statement. Its impossible for someone ignore after telling some1 to remove the post n let 85 notes reblog it. Only way is to report to the police and tumblr.

Whether my buddy is openly gay or attention seeker. Its none of your fucking business. He doesn hv enuf friends n you are not of any position to judge. With these pictures.. it causes more harm. But hes lucky to hv frens now with me and my uncle clique to support him. And yes. With ip address tracking. The police said they can track each blog to its owners. It was me and him that told the police that there was no need to call up the blog owners but jus ensure that the posting n comments stop and if need be, total removal from the net. Thats all. All the comments are v damaging and dont reflect well on anyone.

[Guest Guest]

Oh please. Singapore Police so free to entertain u and yr fren. Tumblr was merely doing a regular clean up. If yr pathetic report had been so effective how come blogs like Darksunny still around? And that was one of those yr so call fren claim to have put up his photos.

And is he still living a life of denial? Claim to be uniform fetish and str8 when he openly ask for gay sex! Self delusion!

[Guest Ex-blogger]

I'm the owner of one of the terminated blogs. 

 

While I feel very sad that my blog was gone, I feel that I should share part of the blame with HBST since I reblogged some posts from his blog, including the ones featuring the poor "victim". 

 

If the "victim" felt traumatised by the exposure, I can understand. But I feel that the person who reported to police has over-reacted. He could have simply reported the offensive posts to Tumblr and let Tumblr remove the stuffs without intervention from the police. This way, the victim's pictures would be removed in a low profile way without attracting much attention and affecting other blogs.

 

Now, the police is involved and 26 blogs (including mine) are terminated. Of course the affected bloggers will make noise and the followers of the terminated blogs will be curious to find out why their favourite blogs suddenly disappeared. Now the person who reported to police has admitted. I'm sure the owners and the followers of the terminated blogs will criticise him for over-reacting. The victim's friend unintentionally attract more attention to the victim. 

 

To the person who reported to police, you said it's unlikely your buddy revealed pics of himself on net. Your buddy is a cosplayer and stays in Yishun, right? If yes, I wanna tell you that I just saw your buddy's Xtube and Dudesnude accounts. (If you want proof, I can show it.) Isn't it ironic that your buddy blames the bloggers for sharing his pics when he himself shares his nude pics and vids on Xtube and Dudesnude?

[Guest Guest]

I am curious how the police in Sg gets Tumblr in US to remove 26 blogs? 

 

Also curious to see the so call victim's Xtube and Dudenude pic/video.

[Guest Consequences]

That's the extent of the harm he did. It's very easy for third parties to say, grow up, move on, fight against the rich people, or to pass pedantic advices regarding how everything can or will end up on the net. Again, whether they sing the same tune when it happens to them or their bfs is an interesting question.

The classic papparazzi argument!

 

Oh woe is me, my naked pictures were taken by long lens and published!  Damn those papparazzi!  Celebrities bitch about this all the time and yet their compromising images still find their way into the media (even if they foolishly thought it was secure on their iPhones etc)

 

But here is where it grates for Victimsfriend posts -

 

Notice no acceptance of culpability for the friend becoming the subject of such infamy.  If your friend had the balls to fcuk and be clueless when his sneeky ex secretly filmed him, leaked the images which found their way online, then he should have the balls to face the consequences of being exposed.  This behaviour of playing the victim is based on the foolish expectation of getting away with his folly.  When this expectation is not realised and exposure occurs, rather than man-up and face the consequences, the blame for the folly is shifted to those who had a hand in the publishing of the dirty little secret.

 

The fact is your friend is ashamed of being exposed.  Whether it is your friend, my friend or me myself, the same applies - if you cannot stand the scrutiny of your actions, don't do it.  If you insist on doing it, then be prepared to face the consequences and stop deluding yourself that you can get away with it.  Your past often catches up with you and if it doesn't, then consider yourself LUCKY and not expect this as an entitlement!

 

As for those who published the offending images, they also can't exonerate themselves with excuses of ignorance, lack of experience or some other desire to be helpful.  You published the image, you have to face the consequences.

 

That being said, what is gained by repeatedly bashing them for having posted or re-posted?  To elicit a "sincere" apology?  Will that suddenly magically roll back time and prevent the posting from ever happening?

 

Be honest - there is a market for salacious posts.  If there wasn't, there wouldn't be so many around and if not HBST then it would have been somebody else!

 

That's the reality!

[Guest Victimsfriend]

The classic papparazzi argument!

Oh woe is me, my naked pictures were taken by long lens and published! Damn those papparazzi! Celebrities bitch about this all the time and yet their compromising images still find their way into the media (even if they foolishly thought it was secure on their iPhones etc)

But here is where it grates for Victimsfriend posts -

Notice no acceptance of culpability for the friend becoming the subject of such infamy. If your friend had the balls to fcuk and be clueless when his sneeky ex secretly filmed him, leaked the images which found their way online, then he should have the balls to face the consequences of being exposed. This behaviour of playing the victim is based on the foolish expectation of getting away with his folly. When this expectation is not realised and exposure occurs, rather than man-up and face the consequences, the blame for the folly is shifted to those who had a hand in the publishing of the dirty little secret.

The fact is your friend is ashamed of being exposed. Whether it is your friend, my friend or me myself, the same applies - if you cannot stand the scrutiny of your actions, don't do it. If you insist on doing it, then be prepared to face the consequences and stop deluding yourself that you can get away with it. Your past often catches up with you and if it doesn't, then consider yourself LUCKY and not expect this as an entitlement!

As for those who published the offending images, they also can't exonerate themselves with excuses of ignorance, lack of experience or some other desire to be helpful. You published the image, you have to face the consequences.

That being said, what is gained by repeatedly bashing them for having posted or re-posted? To elicit a "sincere" apology? Will that suddenly magically roll back time and prevent the posting from ever happening?

Be honest - there is a market for salacious posts. If there wasn't, there wouldn't be so many around and if not HBST then it would have been somebody else!

That's the reality!

And that is why we will forever need to be a police state. People who choose to ingratiate themselves with spinning convoluted arguments, instead of exercising a little empathy.

All you who turned and condemn the victims. Aren't you essentially using fear to silent the victims. You know why the police report was made, you pushed people to the extent they stopped caring and seek the worst way out. Were you that gracious to remove the pics or did you spew the same rubbish to him.

Here's the actual reality. You attracted the attention of a government obsessed with shows. A government obsessed with painting the net as a vile sick place. Have fun explaining yourself to them. Dont forget to cite consequences theories while at it too.

Ps, different "friend" here from cosplay friend. Have fun wondering how many police reports were made.

[Guest -anothervictimsfriend-]

I too have seen the effects of what one of HBST's postings has done to a friend. Despite the fact that he removed it as requested, the image was uploaded by another blogger a few weeks later.

The fact is, it doesn't just stay on the internet, it gets "saved-as" and then up loaded again and again. It really is like a virtual cancer where the person lives in constant fear of these images popping up. You see, it is easy to blame the "exes" or the persons who recorded it in the first place. But there really isn't any justification for republishing the content over and over and over and over again.

HBST, I must give you credit for the fact that when my friend contacted you you removed the post of him immediately. And while as some say "he should be flattered because his post was reblogged this many times" trust me there is nothing flattering about it. The tumblr staff we contacted did point out that even if they were to wipe out the reblogs, cached copies still exist.

I used to be neutral about these tumblr sites but after seeing the anguish it caused my friend I'm quite glad they have been banned/taken down. Especially so if these tumblr blogs are used as a "point of trade".

[Guest Supporter]

Hbst and Eujiboo, sorry to hear about the loss of your tumblr. I am one of those who used to frequent it until I got too caught up with Uni and other stuff. 

 

Was just planning to visit yours (and other) tumblrs within the next 2 weeks or so ... Really regret taking things for granted and not doing so earlier. 

 

Do start another blog please, but just be more cautious about what you post  

 

Jiayou!!

 

---- Supporter

[Guest guest]

Whether he has xtupe or dn in the past doesnt matter. If u fkers wanna dig up the past n use it against him.. up to u. He n me aint affected. And yes.. those sharp weapons he kept at home was my idea just in case some bo liao hater will come knocking or stalking. Though its unlikely it will happen. But its still safer to keep a 22 inch blade at home and keep it in name of hobby. Though i stay jus 3 floors abovehim.

U can say all the bad stuff u want but take note.. he has an obsession in killing ppl which i cant help stopping. I can only advise n take the dangerous stuff out of his hands wen im around. Where he goes after work i wouldnt know. N he isnt in self denial. He KNOWS hes gay but christianity condones it n his parents condones homosexuality. So he is stuck in between. No one can control wad u say. I can only control wad he say but not do.

[Guest guest]

And fyi hes not staying yish at the moment. Hes staying in pasir ris with his grandma so as to facilitate gg to work faster.. better for him too. So no paranoid haters will come with prying eyes..

[Guest Cannot stand it already...]

This discussion shows how childish everyone is...

 

HBST shows how childish he is by grumbling about the loss of his blog here… He probably deserves the backlash.

 

Then, other people joined in the childish game of blaming. Yeah, your friend is a victim. You tried to ask the bloggers to remove. But I tell you, you ask bloggers is no use one. Even after the original post is removed, the reblogged posts will still remain. Then you have to beg every single blogger who reblogged it to remove. Very time consuming leh… And no guarantee that all bloggers will cooperate lor.

 

What you should have done is to immediately report abuse to Tumblr and let Tumblr remove the stuff... At least Tumblr will remove everything (original post + reblogged posts) once and for all!

 

The damage already done… You scold and scold and scold, until HBST come out and confess everything. And you still continue to scold. This doesn't reflect very well on you leh. This is getting more and more childish.

 

And to HBST and all the bloggers out there…. what you guys did are so childish. Share private pics of other ppl, very fun meh? And the followers of these blogs also childish. You think these blogs will give you happiness forever and ever? Come on lah! Watch less porn, and go out to meet real people… Nowadays, with so many technology like grindr, jackd, anonyfish, etc (oh, and also blowing wind...) you guys can easily find other guys one. If you want real happiness, you got to have real courage! And stop being childish pleaseeeee…….. 

[striper]

as someone who's had his pic unknowingly taken and posted on a gay tumblr site, i've to say that it was a good learning experience. i felt flattered and violated at the same time. in the end, i never wrote to ask for the pic to be taken down, but also because a clear pic of my face wasn't there for identification.

 

i think we should respect HBST for sharing his learning story and offering his sincere apologies. innocent mistakes can have unintended consequences, of course. but the damage that's done should be partly blamed on the nature of the internet itself. we should also thank the internet for helping the LGBT cause and giving us gay guys a social space to hang around and feel some sense of community.

[funbunny]

aiya demand and supply la, if there is no demand there wouldn't be supply. Look at this forum, people soliciting for sex, orgies and posting videos of people being stripped and random pictures of strangers. As long as don't webcam or exchange dick pics, you will be fine. But too bad we are a horny bunch, can't keep our dicks in our pants. Our dicks rule our brains mostly... sadly.

[Guest just my thoughts]

The damage already done… You scold and scold and scold, until HBST come out and confess everything. And you still continue to scold. This doesn't reflect very well on you leh. This is getting more and more childish.

 

 

Actually i think the scolding that HBST and the rest are receiving pales in comparison to the damage that he has caused to the people involved.

 

I think his apologies are very insincere seeing that he still enjoys his anonymity and gets to protect his image and identity. After all, he started this forum and as the saying goes "you've made your bed now sleep in it".

 

I'm not calling for any form of vigilante justice here or a "human search engine" but until he is denied of the same freedom of privacy and peace that he has taken away from these people i think he deserves all the vitriol he is getting if not more.  

[Guest some random dude]

Before I begin,

 

Its a world wide web. If u post ur pics online, be prepared for it to be seen by the whole world and get circulated.

 

That being said,

 

If your friend had the balls to fcuk and be clueless when his sneaky ex secretly filmed him, leaked the images which found their way online, then he should have the balls to face the consequences of being exposed.  This behavior of playing the victim is based on the foolish expectation of getting away with his folly.  When this expectation is not realized and exposure occurs, rather than man-up and face the consequences, the blame for the folly is shifted to those who had a hand in the publishing of the dirty little secret.

 

The fact is your friend is ashamed of being exposed.  Whether it is your friend, my friend or me myself, the same applies - if you cannot stand the scrutiny of your actions, don't do it.  If you insist on doing it, then be prepared to face the consequences and stop deluding yourself that you can get away with it. Your past often catches up with you and if it doesn't, then consider yourself LUCKY and not expect this as an entitlement!

 

As for those who published the offending images, they also can't exonerate themselves with excuses of ignorance, lack of experience or some other desire to be helpful.  You published the image, you have to face the consequences.

 

That being said, what is gained by repeatedly bashing them for having posted or re-posted?  To elicit a "sincere" apology?  Will that suddenly magically roll back time and prevent the posting from ever happening?

 

Be honest - there is a market for salacious posts.  If there wasn't, there wouldn't be so many around and if not HBST then it would have been somebody else!

 

That's the reality!

 

Now, you do have a plausible point. I'm highlighting the ones in bold so you can tell which one is plausible.

 

But whether the guy is sexually active or not, has the person ever gave permission to actually record the entire sex session and release it on the internet? It is not entirely the guy's fault on getting these published on the internet if he wasn't aware of it when he clearly did not state that he wants it to be on the internet in the first place. That's not consensual.

 

People should be careful with who they are being with, I agree, but it is not entirely their fault when things goes out of their hands and this shit happens. It can be considered as a bloody scandal, no body wants that really.

 

To blame the person who is just interested in sex and not up for a video is just blatant slutshaming. You are just blaming someone who is just interested in sex. That's it. If they are not consent to have them featured in the publishing, it is not their fault. It is their partner's, who think it is okay to even do that without their consent.

 

That being said (again), I really do hope people learn about this; please be careful with who you're engaging with, that's all.

 

I used to be neutral about these tumblr sites but after seeing the anguish it caused my friend I'm quite glad they have been banned/taken down. Especially so if these tumblr blogs are used as a "point of trade".

 

I've expected this to happen in all honesty. It's whether or not if people are aware of the causes its done. As much as I have seen some gay porn sites (mostly from Tumblr) frequently to be honest, making a gay porn site based on our local men can cause a great deal of consequences, (and I'm honestly thankful I did not make one, I'm pretty sure some of us are, too)

 

And even if we actually do own a gay porn site, it better not even be that promiscuous that would really disrupt someone else's life entirely. That's not how gay porn sites are supposed to be; it's not supposed to be extremely scandalous that people aren't aware that they're being revealed.

 

And lastly, all kudos to striper for talking about the situation well enough.

 

as someone who's had his pic unknowingly taken and posted on a gay tumblr site, i've to say that it was a good learning experience. i felt flattered and violated at the same time. in the end, i never wrote to ask for the pic to be taken down, but also because a clear pic of my face wasn't there for identification.

 

i think we should respect HBST for sharing his learning story and offering his sincere apologies. innocent mistakes can have unintended consequences, of course. but the damage that's done should be partly blamed on the nature of the internet itself. we should also thank the internet for helping the LGBT cause and giving us gay guys a social space to hang around and feel some sense of community.

 

[Guest Consequences]

 

But whether the guy is sexually active or not, has the person ever gave permission to actually record the entire sex session and release it on the internet? It is not entirely the guy's fault on getting these published on the internet if he wasn't aware of it when he clearly did not state that he wants it to be on the internet in the first place. That's not consensual.

 

People should be careful with who they are being with, I agree, but it is not entirely their fault when things goes out of their hands and this shit happens. It can be considered as a bloody scandal, no body wants that really.

 

To blame the person who is just interested in sex and not up for a video is just blatant slutshaming. You are just blaming someone who is just interested in sex. That's it. If they are not consent to have them featured in the publishing, it is not their fault. It is their partner's, who think it is okay to even do that without their consent.

 

Many publications do not have consent.

 

Take the example of a Stomper posting nude pictures of someone in their own residence.  Clearly no consent had been obtained to expose the naked party.  Do the police / relevant authorities take the position that since the naked party did not consent to having their image posted, their nudity is exonerated?  Certainly not!

 

You operate under the mistaken belief that consent is a prerequisite for publication.  You are mistaken.  No privacy laws exist to provide for this here in Singapore.  And where they do exist, being caught with your pants down (so long as it is not minors) is not protected.  And if you argue copyrights, then it resides with the maker of the image recording, not the subject!

 

Hence you miss the point which is about taking responsibility for one's actions.  Victimsfriend kept portraying his friend as an innocent victim and that the ex and the bloggers / re-bloggers were to blame for his friend's emotional trauma in facing family and other known associates and having to explain his dirty little secret.  So the point I made was if the friend had the balls to fcuk, he should man-up and have the balls to own up to his deeds and if he didn't have the courage to do this, then he shouldn't have fcuked in the first place!

 

You too do not acknowledge any culpability for Victimsfriend's friend for having engaged in activity that he is ashamed of being exposed and brand it as slutshaming of someone merely interested in sex.  If it is as innocuous as you suggest, why is he ashamed of being exposed?  So the point I'm making is don't do anything that you would be ashamed of if exposed but if you want to, then be prepared to face the consequences when exposed! Take responsibility instead of operating under the false assumption that you can do anything however shameful because you are never going to be exposed.  And when you are, then cry poor me I'm the innocent victim and everyone else is to blame!!!  Really???!!!

 

Having said this, I didn't exonerate the bloggers / re-bloggers for their posts but stated that they too had to face the consequences of their actions.

 

Every action has consequences.  The sooner one learns that, the less the heartache!

[Guest Victimsfriend]

Consequences, I have been awaiting your arrival. :clap:

 

You know, you try hard. But you get too zealous about it so you give yourself away. You're just trying to lure me into bantering with you, isn't it? Or should it be that you are championing the bloggers' position that the fault begins with the victims?

 

Admittedly you write better, but your arguments deviate little from that same twisted position. If you do it, be ready to be exposed. Don't blame me for exposing you. Blah blah blah. Well here a dash of real world reality for you...........

 

Who the hell cares what you preach?

 

Power triumphs, dude. In Singapore, and thank goodness in most parts of the world too, the POWER OF THE LAW triumphs. As far as the law is concerned, disseminating such things are illegal. Proof, why did tumblr remove all of it. Proof again, it's not even the first time they're doing it.

 

Proof a third time, Edison wasn't the one the LAW went after ultimately. Hmmm?

 

Proof a fourth time. Your cited the example of Storm. They don't publish sexually explicit content, do they? You think they would get away if they do? Go check some of the many paparara cases around the world.

 

If it turns you on, go ahead and try explaining this to the court. You know what, you paint yourself as possibly complicit in this, by putting this in writing. Are you another avatar of HBST, or another likewise blogger dabbling in things like child porn and spy video. Or are you just some addict who can't bear the thought of living without their offerings? Hopefully, you can live up to your own CONSEQUENCE theory, and have the balls to stand in court when the time comes.

 

 

[Guest Victimsfriend]

This discussion shows how childish everyone is...

 

HBST shows how childish he is by grumbling about the loss of his blog here… He probably deserves the backlash.

 

Then, other people joined in the childish game of blaming. Yeah, your friend is a victim. You tried to ask the bloggers to remove. But I tell you, you ask bloggers is no use one. Even after the original post is removed, the reblogged posts will still remain. Then you have to beg every single blogger who reblogged it to remove. Very time consuming leh… And no guarantee that all bloggers will cooperate lor.

 

What you should have done is to immediately report abuse to Tumblr and let Tumblr remove the stuff... At least Tumblr will remove everything (original post + reblogged posts) once and for all!

 

The damage already done… You scold and scold and scold, until HBST come out and confess everything. And you still continue to scold. This doesn't reflect very well on you leh. This is getting more and more childish.

 

And to HBST and all the bloggers out there…. what you guys did are so childish. Share private pics of other ppl, very fun meh? And the followers of these blogs also childish. You think these blogs will give you happiness forever and ever? Come on lah! Watch less porn, and go out to meet real people… Nowadays, with so many technology like grindr, jackd, anonyfish, etc (oh, and also blowing wind...) you guys can easily find other guys one. If you want real happiness, you got to have real courage! And stop being childish pleaseeeee…….. 

 

I actually think you posted the most sensible remark. And I readily admit I'm childish too. My only excuse, if it's an excuse, is that you get that way when disgust overtakes your senses.

[Guest Consequences]

And that is why we will forever need to be a police state. People who choose to ingratiate themselves with spinning convoluted arguments, instead of exercising a little empathy.

All you who turned and condemn the victims. Aren't you essentially using fear to silent the victims. You know why the police report was made, you pushed people to the extent they stopped caring and seek the worst way out. Were you that gracious to remove the pics or did you spew the same rubbish to him.

Here's the actual reality. You attracted the attention of a government obsessed with shows. A government obsessed with painting the net as a vile sick place. Have fun explaining yourself to them. Dont forget to cite consequences theories while at it too.

Ps, different "friend" here from cosplay friend. Have fun wondering how many police reports were made.

Your friend did something he is ashamed of being exposed.  Rather than acknowledging his mistake of doing something he cannot face publicly, you sought to portray him as a blameless, innocent victim and expect people to emphatise?!!!  If it was empathy you sought then your friend should have acknowledged that he made a mistake doing something he's ashamed of that has been made public, since he thought he would never have been exposed.

 

Instead you sought to blame the ex, HBST and other re-bloggers. While they are guilty of sharing, posting or re-posting, you must admit that they would not have anything to post if your friend didn't indulge in his dirty little secret.  As the subject of the salacious posts who cannot bear the public exposure, he must accept some blame for his current predicament.

 

Nobody is trying to silence your friend.  We're just tired of you whining that he's a poor blameless innocent victim.

 

The state is well aware of the pervasiveness of porn on the internet.  Stop trying to distract attention from your untenable arguments by spurious claims of the government being obsessed with portraying the net as a "vile sick place".

 

For someone who seems to abhor living in a police state, you don't seem to mind seeking their assistance when it is convenient!!!

[Guest Victimsfriend]

Again, Consequence, you give yourself away. Now you are resorting to nitpicking and putting my words out of context. Classic blogger technique? Very renowned on TRS etc you know.
 

Besides, you're quite wrong. There's a whole wealth of things HBST etc could post, beginning with perhaps THEIR OWN PICS? Nope, they made a choice. They made the choice because they deemed it far more profitable. And that's where it all goes wrong.

 

Anyway, you're increasingly sounding like those bungling religious clerics who claim women are raped because they didn't this or didn't that, and so the rapist should not be blamed. Touchy, my friend. Very touchy. Not going to sell well in court.

 

Finally, you got one assumption utterly wrong. I actually do not mind living in a police state. My complaint (on TRS!) is that the police fumbles too much! The reason for that, because of people like HBST. And because of people like you who has nothing else to do in life, than to victimize others.

 

[Guest Consequences]

Consequences, I have been awaiting your arrival. :clap:

 

You know, you try hard. But you get too zealous about it so you give yourself away. You're just trying to lure me into bantering with you, isn't it? Or should it be that you are championing the bloggers' position that the fault begins with the victims?

 

Admittedly you write better, but your arguments deviate little from that same twisted position. If you do it, be ready to be exposed. Don't blame me for exposing you. Blah blah blah. Well here a dash of real world reality for you...........

 

Who the hell cares what you preach?

 

Power triumphs, dude. In Singapore, and thank goodness in most parts of the world too, the POWER OF THE LAW triumphs. As far as the law is concerned, disseminating such things are illegal. Proof, why did tumblr remove all of it. Proof again, it's not even the first time they're doing it.

 

Proof a third time, Edison wasn't the one the LAW went after ultimately. Hmmm?

 

Proof a fourth time. Your cited the example of Storm. They don't publish sexually explicit content, do they? You think they would get away if they do? Go check some of the many paparara cases around the world.

 

If it turns you on, go ahead and try explaining this to the court. You know what, you paint yourself as possibly complicit in this, by putting this in writing. Are you another avatar of HBST, or another likewise blogger dabbling in things like child porn and spy video. Or are you just some addict who can't bear the thought of living without their offerings? Hopefully, you can live up to your own CONSEQUENCE theory, and have the balls to stand in court when the time comes.

It is you are mistaken.  Explicit images are published in many parts of the world.  That's why the celebrities are pissed.

 

As for Edison, his complaint was about theft of his data, not that his nude erotic pictures were published.  The culprits of the theft were the ones brought to justice not the publishers of the nudies!

 

Even though Stomp publishes censored images, the Holland Village nude walkers were punished not the Stompers or the press for that matter.

 

Publishing porn is illegal in Singapore as is engaging in sexual relations between males and tumblr has an explicit anti porn policy, hence their action.

 

And there are jurisdictions where publishing porn (except kiddie porn) is legal.

 

All this doesn't exonerate your friend from blame.

 

And if you didn't care what I preach, why reply?!!!

 

I never exonerated the bloggers but made the point that your friend should accept his share of the blame and not claim to be an innocent victim.

[Guest Victimsfriend]

Haiz, you actually go research and think before replying. But you never think thoroughly enough. *wags finger*

 

What was that Holland Drive couple punished for? Public exposure. Storm in that case supported the LAW, albeit in a twisted way, by reporting crime.

 

You make love, take shower, walk around your home, is crime ah? Yes, maybe for gay.... But well, I think the reasonable folks can see what I mean.

 

But anyway, I entertained you, managed to get you a little excited too. Fulfilled your wish and argued with you. (Why suddenly start using "we" ah? You also blogger? URL?) And since you're obviously not anybody who will be making the final call on this i.e. you're neither LAW, nor MDA, nor tumblr, it's enough.

 

Just one kind advice. There's police report on this hoh. I'm not bluffing, HBST himself posted it on his (erased) blog. If I'm that party, I would screengrab all of these and submit to the police. Hopefully they are their usual fumbling ways and wouldn't investigate you lah!

[Guest Consequences]

Again, Consequence, you give yourself away. Now you are resorting to nitpicking and putting my words out of context. Classic blogger technique? Very renowned on TRS etc you know.

 

Besides, you're quite wrong. There's a whole wealth of things HBST etc could post, beginning with perhaps THEIR OWN PICS? Nope, they made a choice. They made the choice because they deemed it far more profitable. And that's where it all goes wrong.

 

Anyway, you're increasingly sounding like those bungling religious clerics who claim women are raped because they didn't this or didn't that, and so the rapist should not be blamed. Touchy, my friend. Very touchy. Not going to sell well in court.

 

Finally, you got one assumption utterly wrong. I actually do not mind living in a police state. My complaint (on TRS!) is that the police fumbles too much! The reason for that, because of people like HBST. And because of people like you who has nothing else to do in life, than to victimize others.

 

You're mistaken again.  HBST did post a video of himself jerking off!

 

Was your friend stripped and raped and filmed during the time or did he chose to fcuk.  How is that equivalent to being raped?  Who's putting words in whose mouth now and making unfounded and unsubstantiated claims?

 

People who do not mind living in a police state, do not call it a police state!

[Guest Consequences]

You're mistaken again.  HBST did post a video of himself jerking off!

 

Was your friend stripped and raped and filmed during the time or did he chose to fcuk.  How is that equivalent to being raped?  Who's putting words in whose mouth now and making unfounded and unsubstantiated claims?

 

People who do not mind living in a police state, do not call it a police state!

 

 I obviously meant with face and all that lah. Making sweet love. Introducing the lover. Dunno you but I think that would have been even more popular than my fugly friend's things.

 

Some cock pic. Claim it's his. Cheh. Skali is dunno what one.

 

Anyway, 3am already lah. Sleep. Police like to call in morning sometimes. Better make sure you get enough sleep if not you start "We, we, we" again, very jialat. (I know lawyers one. So can reblog that to you.)

[Guest Victimsfriend]

You're mistaken again.  HBST did post a video of himself jerking off!

 

Was your friend stripped and raped and filmed during the time or did he chose to fcuk.  How is that equivalent to being raped?  Who's putting words in whose mouth now and making unfounded and unsubstantiated claims?

 

People who do not mind living in a police state, do not call it a police state!

 

EH! How come you know of that ah???????? You also fan ah? Have you deleted those ***** **** downloads???!?!? That one lagi more jialat!

[Guest Consequences]

Haiz, you actually go research and think before replying. But you never think thoroughly enough. *wags finger*

 

What was that Holland Drive couple punished for? Public exposure. Storm in that case supported the LAW, albeit in a twisted way, by reporting crime.

 

You make love, take shower, walk around your home, is crime ah? Yes, maybe for gay.... But well, I think the reasonable folks can see what I mean.

 

But anyway, I entertained you, managed to get you a little excited too. Fulfilled your wish and argued with you. (Why suddenly start using "we" ah? You also blogger? URL?) And since you're obviously not anybody who will be making the final call on this i.e. you're neither LAW, nor MDA, nor tumblr, it's enough.

 

Just one kind advice. There's police report on this hoh. I'm not bluffing, HBST himself posted it on his (erased) blog. If I'm that party, I would screengrab all of these and submit to the police. Hopefully they are their usual fumbling ways and wouldn't investigate you lah!

If the stompers were reporting crime, are you now making the point (inadvertently) that HBST and other bloggers were also reporting a gay sex crime?

 

In your quest to shore up your untenable arguments have you per chance aided HBST's case?

 

Your attempts to intimidate are epic failures since they only concern those unprepared to face consequences.

[Guest SleepyVictimsFriend]

zzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz already.

 

(Whispers sleepily: No one cares what I think or feel or say. I not the LAW)

[Guest Consequences]

EH! How come you know of that ah???????? You also fan ah? Have you deleted those ***** **** downloads???!?!? That one lagi more jialat!

Viewing porn is not crime, downloading is!

 

You don't have to be a fan to know what's out there.  Many things are monitored.  Indeed many crimes are committed every day but it is only when complaints e.g. police report are made that investigations are carried out and prosecutions may follow.

[Guest Victimsfriend]

Zzzzzzzz wakes up.

Aiyo.......

why u have to force me to say this....... you and i, whatever we think, who cares? We are not the LAW. That btw is the CONSEQUENCE of us study wrong thing etc etc.

So, what does it matter? Let it go, let it go, you cant save them all out there.

PS, did you just admit to watching kiddie porn?

[Guest Consequences]

why u have to force me to say this....... you and i, whatever we think, who cares? We are not the LAW. 

Can you be so sure that nobody on this forum is the law?  How do you think whistle blowers alert the authorities to unsuitable content sites?

[Guest some random dude]

Many publications do not have consent.

 

Take the example of a Stomper posting nude pictures of someone in their own residence.  Clearly no consent had been obtained to expose the naked party.  Do the police / relevant authorities take the position that since the naked party did not consent to having their image posted, their nudity is exonerated?  Certainly not!

 

You operate under the mistaken belief that consent is a prerequisite for publication.  You are mistaken.  No privacy laws exist to provide for this here in Singapore.  And where they do exist, being caught with your pants down (so long as it is not minors) is not protected.  And if you argue copyrights, then it resides with the maker of the image recording, not the subject!

 

Hence you miss the point which is about taking responsibility for one's actions.  Victimsfriend kept portraying his friend as an innocent victim and that the ex and the bloggers / re-bloggers were to blame for his friend's emotional trauma in facing family and other known associates and having to explain his dirty little secret.  So the point I made was if the friend had the balls to fcuk, he should man-up and have the balls to own up to his deeds and if he didn't have the courage to do this, then he shouldn't have fcuked in the first place!

 

You too do not acknowledge any culpability for Victimsfriend's friend for having engaged in activity that he is ashamed of being exposed and brand it as slutshaming of someone merely interested in sex.  If it is as innocuous as you suggest, why is he ashamed of being exposed?  So the point I'm making is don't do anything that you would be ashamed of if exposed but if you want to, then be prepared to face the consequences when exposed! Take responsibility instead of operating under the false assumption that you can do anything however shameful because you are never going to be exposed.  And when you are, then cry poor me I'm the innocent victim and everyone else is to blame!!!  Really???!!!

 

Having said this, I didn't exonerate the bloggers / re-bloggers for their posts but stated that they too had to face the consequences of their actions.

 

Every action has consequences.  The sooner one learns that, the less the heartache!

 

If he is still ashamed of doing so, he wouldn't have done it in the first place.

If he knew of the consequences before, all of this wouldn't have happened.

And if he made his decision not to accept that this thing would've happen (in which you call "not having the guts to admit"), then yes, it is his fault.

 

My point still stands if he understood the consequences, it wouldn't necessarily be his fault if he tried to stop this from spreading. Though a blatant reminder that he shouldn't engage with this activity anymore would've been a better idea to prevent from tainting his reputation any further. Else, he should have seen it coming and should take it more seriously at hand. 

 

I'm not saying that he should be getting away that easily, even if it isn't his fault. I'm not encouraging him to do it and make the same mistake again. I did not say "I really do hope people learn about this; please be careful with who you're engaging with, that's all." for nothing; if things like this happened once, it can happen again. That's why I urged everyone to be careful with who they're engaging with. If things like that happened, it's wise to not do it again. Whether they feel ashamed or not, that is not our position to know.

 

He shouldn't be doing anymore of this now that this has taken to a whole new level of... well whatever it has become.

 

Can we at least try to say that we're not making the friend feel extremely bad while at the same time try to teach him a lesson about what would happened if this thing happened again. Hostility does not help.

[Guest Cannot stand it already...]

Wah lau eh…. You people still haven't finished arguing ah?

 

Childish lah you people….

 

Sleep early, wake up early, and go out to meet real people lah. Don't spend so much time on the internet, doing meaningless things like arguing with anonymous people.

[Guest Even more random dude]

So... Many.... Words....

It's like a thesaurus tyrannosaurus stegosaurus exploded in here..

[Blacque]

So... Many.... Words....

It's like a thesaurus tyrannosaurus stegosaurus exploded in here..

 

So cute 

[Guest Move on]

Time wasting

Have a life

Everyone move on