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A cross-discipline study has challenged the belief that human sexuality and gender identity are determined by biology and remain fixed, saying that there is no scientific proof of this. The study cautioned against drastic medical treatment for transgender children.

The notion that sexual orientation is predetermined by biology is an important part of the current LGBT discourse. If a person has no choice over whether to be gay or not, society cannot demand that he or she be straight, so the argument goes.

But regardless of its political worth, the “born this way” paradigm is not backed up by sufficient scientific data, according to a new paper published in the autumn issue of the New Atlantis, a journal focusing on political, societal and ethical ramifications of technological advances.

The study does not claim that being gay is a choice, merely that stating the opposite may be wrong.

The 144-page paper was written by Dr. Lawrence S. Mayer, an epidemiologist and biostatistician also trained in psychiatry, who is currently a scholar in residence at the Department of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, and Dr. Paul R. McHugh, a renowned psychiatrist, researcher, and educator and former chief of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Hospital. The paper’s three parts focus on sexual orientation, links between sexuality and mental health, and gender identity.

Drawing on studies in fields varying from neurobiology to social sciences, the authors wrote that “The understanding of sexual orientation as an innate, biologically fixed property of human beings – the idea that people are ‘born that way’ – is not supported by scientific evidence.”

The term ‘sexual orientation’ itself is ambiguous and is used to describe attraction, behavior or identity by different researchers. Sometimes it refers to things such as belonging to a certain community or having certain fantasies.

“It is important, then, that researchers are clear about which of these domains are being studied, and that we keep in mind the researchers’ specified definitions when we interpret their findings,” the paper said.

There are biological factors associated with sexual behavior, the paper acknowledges, but there are no compelling “causal biological explanations for human sexual orientation.” Differences in the brain structures of gay and straight individuals identified by researchers are not necessarily innate and may be the result of environmental or psychological factors.

“The strongest statement that science offers to explain sexual orientation is that some biological factors appear, to an unknown extent, to predispose some individuals to a non-heterosexual orientation,” the paper said.

LGBT individuals are statistically at greater risk of having mental health problems than the general population, the authors say. As a more dramatic example, “the rate of lifetime suicide attempts across all ages of transgender individuals is estimated at 41 percent, compared to under 5 percent in the overall US population.”

The usually accepted explanation for this is social stress from discrimination and stigma, but the study said that those factors may not solely explain the disparity and that more scientific research on the issue is necessary.

The paper added that the notion that gender identity is fixed and determined by biological factors is also not backed up by data.

“In reviewing the scientific literature, we find that almost nothing is well understood when we seek biological explanations for what causes some individuals to state that their gender does not match their biological sex,” the authors said.

They strongly advocate caution in resorting to drastic medical treatment such as sex-reassignment surgery for people identified or identifying as transgender. This is especially true in children, whose sexuality is mutable and for whom such treatments may do more harm than good, they warn.

“There is little scientific evidence for the therapeutic value of interventions that delay puberty or modify the secondary sex characteristics of adolescents, although some children may have improved psychological well-being if they are encouraged and supported in their cross-gender identification,” the paper said. “There is no evidence that all children who express gender-atypical thoughts or behavior should be encouraged to become transgender.”

“Sexual orientation and gender identity resist explanation by simple theories. There is a large gap between the certainty with which beliefs are held about these matters and what a sober assessment of the science reveals. In the face of this complexity and uncertainty, we need to be humble about what we know and do not know,” it said.

The authors noted that their paper touches upon controversial issues and insist that first and foremost it is about science and the need for additional evidence in the field. Mayer said many people who contributed to the report asked not to be identified so as to distance themselves from the potential backlash.

“Some feared an angry response from the more militant elements of the LGBT community; others feared an angry response from the more strident elements of religiously conservative communities,” he said. “Most bothersome, however, is that some feared reprisals from their own universities for engaging such controversial topics, regardless of the report’s content—a sad statement about academic freedom.”


The paper was specifically written for the general public to draw attention to mental health problems of the LGBT community, the authors said. McHugh is an opponent of sex reassignment surgery for transgender people, arguing that it often fails to improve their well-being and instead does the opposite in the long run.




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Homophobic people are in denial about their own sexuality - there have been numerous studies to suggest this notion. 

 

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Has been debated many times and will continue probably even after we die. But the cause ain't that important really.

It's more about societal acceptance. If we can only view sexual orientation as not an abnormaly, perhaps this will be of less interest to "studies"

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Actually, the whole "born this way" issue is besides the point. And here's why. For starters, I actually think that sexuality is fluid, and so no one is really born gay or straight. Rather, much like nearly everything in life, your sexuality at a particular time will depend on how life circumstances, the person that you're with, and your mental state.

 

The reason why the "born this way" argument arose is because if it is true, then the law and our society would be punishing people for things they have no control over. And this goes against our modern conceptions of free will and responsibility. Therefore, it becomes very strategically important to win this "born this way" argument. 

 

But when you take a step back,  the real question is who cares? Your favorite colour, your type of clothes, the style of your hair, all these things are not something you are born with. And yet society does not penalise you for making these free choices l.

 

So the real issue is about social acceptance. And the question of "born this way" is just a big distraction.

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Those straights who think it's not inborn probably are bisexuals or gays-in-denial. They seem to know a lot about sexuality when they are not scientists. Empty vessels make the most noise.

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Straight mind not body, i assume is a person that sucks anything long, fuck any holes, likes to be fucked by anything, but no love for guys. One that could lurk in toilet whole day, camping and waiting for prey or be preyed.

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1 hour ago, Guest Am i right said:

Straight mind not body, i assume is a person that sucks anything long, fuck any holes, likes to be fucked by anything, but no love for guys. One that could lurk in toilet whole day, camping and waiting for prey or be preyed.

How can they not love guys? They are merely denying it. What they meant is they are not looking at anything substantial or long term. :rolleyes:

 

So to them, sex is sex, separate from sexual orientation or identity. I call that "animal".

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When a straight guy knows I'm gay, the first thing he usually asks is how I perceive women. Maybe they think that gay guys hate women. On the contrary, because gay guys are not affected by lust for women, we are often better able to form genuine friendships with women, unlike the typical skirt-chasing straight guy. In fact, a lot of women feel closer, safer and more secure with a gay guy than a hot-blooded straight guy.

 

It's very easy for straight guys to judge and despise us, simply because they don't feel the same way we do.

 

Sometimes, I feel like shouting back at them: "You think I don't want to get married and have kids like you?! You think I deliberately chose to be like that so that I can get ridiculed and despised by society, and be judged and condenmed by members of my own gender??!"

 

But that is just a silent scream in my mind that no one can hear.

 

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I really don't give a fuck what all these scientists say about me. All I know is I am gay, and I am born this way . I was attracted to men and dicks even from a young age of 5yo. I remembered asking my teenage neighbour to show me his dick (which he did) when I was merely 5yo. I also remembered asking for a Batman toy figurine and instinctively licking its ass when I was 6yo. 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, MadMan said:

I really don't give a fuck what all these scientists say about me. All I know is I am gay, and I am born this way . I was attracted to men and dicks even from a young age of 5yo. I remembered asking my teenage neighbour to show me his dick (which he did) when I was merely 5yo. I also remembered asking for a Batman toy figurine and instinctively licking its ass when I was 6yo. 

 

 

 

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