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5 hours ago, Guest Tomato said:

This ruling will tear the Taiwanese society apart.

 

Please mention a nation that has adopted same-sex marriage and had its society torn apart.

I am not aware of any of them.

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These thousands of christians and conservatives wearing white can now moth-ball their white garbs.

There is little they can do to reverse this recent decision short of staging a revolution.

 

The decision was based on equality as a civil right.

The Taiwan legislature can still craft the law that complies with the judgement while withholding many privileges for the marrying gays.

But sooner or later these privileges given to heterosexual couples and withhold from same-sex couples 

will be challenged for their lack of equality.

 

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3 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

These thousands of christians and conservatives wearing white can now moth-ball their white garbs.

There is little they can do to reverse this recent decision short of staging a revolution.

 

The decision was based on equality as a civil right.

The Taiwan legislature can still craft the law that complies with the judgement while withholding many privileges for the marrying gays.

But sooner or later these privileges given to heterosexual couples and withhold from same-sex couples 

will be challenged for their lack of equality.

 

 

Time for all of us to travel to Taiwan to show our support! Let them thrive because they let us thrive! :clap::clap::clap:

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On ‎11‎/‎20‎/‎2016 at 0:59 PM, Slynn said:

 

This may well be one of the most well formulated argument I have heard.

 

"We should be working on other issues in the society like teen suicides instead of working on taking away the rights of other people"

 

(Chinese with no translation)

This lady made very good argument. She expressed herself very well.

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Do they need such recognition by demanding same-sex marriage as gays are just like unmarried/married straight men is men given an opportunity will be strayed.

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You need to stop going church. Judging from your circular reasoning logic, your brain is fried. 

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2 hours ago, Guest YoursUnfaithfully said:

Do they need such recognition by demanding same-sex marriage as gays are just like unmarried/married straight men is men given an opportunity will be strayed.

It is good to have.  Legal Marriage for the LGBT provided an option of security.  You can choose not to, like the heterosexual people, some people just want cohabitation with no legal binding, but can ultimately decide whether they want to have legal obligation with each other.  Gay people should have similar choice too.  Being legally married ensure many conveniences when you wanted to share, give or recieve certain things from your partner during old age which otherwise was not allowed if you are not legal partner. 

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1 minute ago, Guest Saucy Church-fried Brains said:

You need to stop going church. Judging from your circular reasoning logic, your brain is fried. 

#FRIEDBRAINS,  #STREETFOOD

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10 hours ago, bluerunner said:

This lady made very good argument. She expressed herself very well.

 

That is the fundamental difference between a Taiwanese and a Singaporean.

Many Singaporeans are far from able to speak well and being expressive.  And those whom are willing to speak up, many often speak badly and incoherently (look at the majority whom are being interviewed in TV).

And to verbally express a topic which covers depth intellectually, it is a difficult task for an average Singaporean.

 

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20 minutes ago, Guest Tomato said:

 

That is the fundamental difference between a Taiwanese and a Singaporean.

Many Singaporeans are far from able to speak well and being expressive.  And those whom are willing to speak up, many often speak badly and incoherently (look at the majority whom are being interviewed in TV).

And to verbally express a topic which covers depth intellectually, it is a difficult task for an average Singaporean.

 

 

Fluoride in drinking water shows lower IQ and make people docile.

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Two excellent shows (PTSTalk)

 

The first on the day of JR ruling.

 

 

The second day, particularly the law professor (in gray hair) he gave an excellent exegesis for the ruling judgment.  If we are going to have another judiciary review, i think we can get a lot of good arguments here.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Andrew ang525 said:

Two excellent shows (PTSTalk)

 

The first on the day of JR ruling.

 

The second day, particularly the law professor (in gray hair) he gave an excellent exegesis for the ruling judgment.  If we are going to have another judiciary review, i think we can get a lot of good arguments here.

 

 

How come the lady in this video so aggressive ?   Reflect very badly on LGBTs.  Invite more and more resistance from the opponents.

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With Taiwan's set to be the first in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage, I am thinking what's for since gays are rather promiscuous that will fuck anything that stands still long enough, lol.

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10 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

How come the lady in this video so aggressive ?   Reflect very badly on LGBTs.  Invite more and more resistance from the opponents.

I dont agree with you. Look at Trump and all those homophobics talking, it seems the more vicious and aggressive the more support they get. Trump can even win majority votes with all those aggressiveness. As for resistance from opponents, if you speak gently the opponents will think you are weak and will be motivated to try to overcome you even more.

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On ‎25‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 6:15 AM, Guest Tomato said:

 

That is the fundamental difference between a Taiwanese and a Singaporean.

Many Singaporeans are far from able to speak well and being expressive.  And those whom are willing to speak up, many often speak badly and incoherently (look at the majority whom are being interviewed in TV).

And to verbally express a topic which covers depth intellectually, it is a difficult task for an average Singaporean.

 

first of all, Singaporean are never brought up to express themselves, blame it on the education system, we only focus on going to exam and see how many As u can get.....those interview on tv, if is from a organisation, u always get to see the same person giving "official reply" to "standard question", if is on the street, those not giving standard official reply probably will get censored already.... back to the topic, if a general poll is being conducted, I am not sure if it would have gone through, asian being asia, the majority will still be conservative, not sure the Taiwanese government did it for any specific reason other than human basic right?

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28 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

first of all, Singaporean are never brought up to express themselves, blame it on the education system, we only focus on going to exam and see how many As u can get.....those interview on tv, if is from a organisation, u always get to see the same person giving "official reply" to "standard question", if is on the street, those not giving standard official reply probably will get censored already.... back to the topic, if a general poll is being conducted, I am not sure if it would have gone through, asian being asia, the majority will still be conservative, not sure the Taiwanese government did it for any specific reason other than human basic right?

Disagree...... Taiwan (as well as PRC, Japan and Korea) are worse in exam-orientation education.

What you see is editorial, what the editors want the public to read.......

(but that digress from the intention of this thread)

 

Personally, i think, Taiwan has accepted LGBT because they are more democratic in nature, having went through 2.28 (Feb 28) and military ruling, their yearn for freedom is some characteristic that makes it possible. (Just my thinking)

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Taiwanese (none christian indoctrinated ones) got the 人情味 and retained their 乡土味, warmth and "innocence" unlike Singaporeans, PRCS, Malaysians and pinoys who are too realistic, materialistic, calculating, cunning, mercenary and ruthless.

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Taiwan’s gays are ready to marry, and save the crumbling wedding industry to boot

 

 

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Taipei, Taiwan

Crammed with bridal boutiques, tailors, and wedding studios, a short stretch of camphor tree-lined Zhongshan North Road is the epicenter of Taiwan’s once-booming wedding industry. But the area is now a shadow of its former self.

“During the best times there were more than a hundred shops here,” Cheng said. “Now there’s a lot fewer, maybe only forty,” said Sunny Cheng, who has worked at the boutique-studio Cinderella x Hera for 22 years.

Since peaking in 2000, when 182,000 couples got hitched, the number of marriages in Taiwan has dropped by 20%, according to government data, owing to the ultra-low birth rate combined with young Taiwanese choosing to marry later in life. But a historic court decision last week means Taiwan is on track to become the first country in Asia to legalize same-sex marriage, throwing a lifeline to the wedding industry.

 

While marriage equality could take up to two years to be enshrined into law, the decision further burnishes Taiwan’s credentials as Asia’s most LGBT-friendly country. Wedding service providers such as photographers, hotels, and jewelers, who have already benefited from the growing number of symbolic same-sex weddings held in recent years, are expecting a further boost to their business, both from domestic same-sex couples and those from other Asian countries.

Yang Jing-wei, a photographer who specializes in shooting couples, said business has been brisk lately, helped by the 20% of his clients who are in same-sex relationships, and believes demand will “definitely increase.” Yang makes frequent trips to San Francisco with gay couples from Taiwan and Hong Kong, taking photos for their wedding albums, for which he charges a minimum of $2,000 plus expenses.

New Zealand is currently the only country in the Asia-Pacific region that recognizes same-sex marriages, and the country has seen a sharp spike in same-sex couples going to get married there, particularly from China.

Lin Chi-xuan, who runs a photography business with his boyfriend, photographer Austin Huang, said many Taiwanese same-sex couples who have already married in other countries are likely to have larger second weddings in Taiwan.

“When they go to the US or Europe, they take their close friends,” Lin said. “But if they have a wedding in Taiwan, there will be relatives, bosses and colleagues.”

 

Even coffee roasters and bakers are expecting to see better business in Taiwan’s rainbow economy. Willie Tsai and Luke Kuo, who have been together for seven years, founded their coffee roastery and bakery Look Luke, which operates out of their home, in 2014. The couple has built up a small but loyal clientele, which grew significantly since a large rally for marriage equality in Taipei in December where they handed out more than 600 free cups of manual-filtered coffee.

The couple plans on opening their first cafe in November, and expects to sell plenty of wedding cakes for their clientele, which they described as “70% women, 30% gay.”

The biggest potential source of new business is China. Gay and lesbian Chinese have already shown interest in both overseas weddings and in visiting nearby Taiwan, not least because many have long looked across the Taiwan Strait as a source of inspiration. Homosexuality is not illegal in China, but it still carries vestiges of the social stigma that led to it being officially considered a mental illness until 2001, and LGBT groups have not been immune from the growing political and social crackdowns in China in recent years.

Meanwhile, corporate China has become more accepting of LGBT people, given the financial incentives—LGBT-linked spending in China is worth an estimated $280 billion to $300 billion, according to public relations firm Weber Shandwick. Even the notion of same-sex marriage is gaining traction there. In 2015, internet giant Alibaba held a widely publicized contest for LGBT couples, where 10 winning couples received a trip to Los Angeles to get married.

For now, there is no indication that other countries in Asia will follow Taiwan in recognizing same-sex marriage.

Beijing resident Ling Jueding, 36, founder of the gay relationship app Zank, married his partner of four years ceremonially in June 2015, hosting a wedding banquet in China’s capital with more than 300 guests in attendance. He believes that marriage equality in China too is only a matter of time—“maybe in 20 years… maybe 10″—but that legally marrying his partner in Taiwan with his friends and relatives present would be “a good substitute,” for now.

 

 

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起步爭取同婚法制化 大陸逾6千人聯署

2017-05-28 12:17中央社 台北28日電

 

孫文麟和伴侶胡明亮去年舉行公開婚禮,許多親友及新聞媒體到場支持。 圖擷自網易

孫文麟和伴侶胡明亮去年舉行公開婚禮,許多親友及新聞媒體到場支持。 圖擷自網易

 

同婚釋憲案日前公布結果,大陸首宗同婚維權當事人孫文麟也在微信上道賀。他發起的大陸「同婚法制化聯署」已有逾6千人參加。孫文麟表示,祝賀台灣的同時,也要繼續推動大陸同婚法制化。

孫文麟與同性伴侶胡明亮2015年6月23日前往長沙市芙蓉區民政局辦理結婚登記被拒絕後,決定透過法律途徑爭取權利,成為大陸第一起同志婚姻維權案。但案件最終於去年4月敗訴。

他們兩人並未放棄爭取同婚權益,不僅於去年舉辦婚禮,更在今年2月2日發起中國大陸「同婚法制化聯署」,希望透過推動立法,爭取實現婚姻平權。

台灣大法官24日針對同婚釋憲案作出解釋,認為現行法令未保障同性婚姻是違憲。孫文麟當天也在微信公眾號上發文道賀,並表示祝賀台灣的同時,也要繼續推動中國大陸實現同婚法制化。

孫文麟發起「同婚法制化聯署」已逾80天,目前已有6488人表態支持中國大陸實現同婚法制化。

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39 minutes ago, Vometra said:

 

I know the 2 scums at the bottom, but who are the top 2?

 

They are all a brood of old ladies.

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4 hours ago, Vometra said:

 

I know the 2 scums at the bottom, but who are the top 2?

 

 

The two ladies on top should support the same-sex cause and try to marry each other. 

IT IS NEVER TOO LATE,  and by doing so they may find out what is the right cause.

 

But the two scums on the bottom are so rotten that no one would touch them with a ten foot pole.

Still they should follow Christ's directive and love each other.

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