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Sharing two news about PRIDE 2016. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/28/professors-death-could-see-taiwan-become-first-asian-country-to-allow-same-sex-marriage?CMP=twt_gu

 

 

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The death of a gay professor could propel Taiwan into becoming the first Asian country to legalise same-sex marriage by the end of next year.

More than 80,000 LGBT activists and supporters are expected to take to the streets of the Taiwanese capital, Taipei, on Saturday for what is expected to be Asia’s largest ever gay pride parade.

The annual event of 14 years will have its usual celebratory feel. But this year revellers march in the knowledge that they may be on the cusp of making civil rights history in terms of marriage equality.

It would be a hard-fought victory for Taiwan’s LGBT community, but also one tinged with sadness after the suspected suicide of Frenchman Jacques Picoux, on 16 October became a rallying call against the failure of the government to make progress on legalising same-sex marriage.

Picoux, 67, who taught French at the National Taiwan University, died after falling from the tenth floor of his Taipei apartment block. Friends believe he had taken his own life.

They blamed depression after the death last year by cancer of his Taiwanese partner of 35 years, Tseng Ching-chao.

Picoux had reportedly been crushed when his lack of legal status denied him the right to participate in crucial medical decisions in Tseng’s final moments. He later found himself with no legal claim over the property they shared.

After his death the gay community lashed out against the government led by president Tsai Ing-wen, who was elected in January on a pledge to boost equality rights.

“How many more human lives do we have to lose as a result of the government’s gross negligence?” charged prominent rights group, the Taiwan LGBT hotline association.

However, Picoux’s personal tragedy generated such public sympathy that lobby group Pride Watch Taiwan, has described it as a “pivotal moment” in the gay rights movement.

A new draft bill tabled by the ruling Democratic Progressive party [DPP] on Monday to amend family law in favour of LGBT rights was a “breakthrough”, they said.

“We actually can see that there are about 66 legislators who will probably vote yes on marriage equality,” said Pride Watch activist, Cindy Su. “That’s a majority of 58.4%, the first time in Taiwanese history that we have more than half,” she said.

Recent polls also show a public majority in favour of same-sex marriage.

Sitting in her parliamentary office, the DPP’s Yu Mei-nu, who drafted the new law, freely admits that she would not have such strong support if it had not been for Picoux’s death.

“This story touched people,” she said. “The LGBT group were very angry. It has put a lot of pressure on our party and on other parties.”

Taiwan’s progress towards legalising gay marriage is largely down to Yu’s efforts.

Under the previous administration, ruled by the Kuomintang party, she steered a similar draft law through two years of negotiations, only to have it collapse when legislators were too afraid to turn up for a final vote.

Yu admits she felt “somewhat upset”, but believes it prepared the ground for future success.

“This time it is time,” she said. Taiwanese society and the parliament were more ready to accept changes to the civil code to grant gay couples equal rights in marriage, parental authority and freedom from discrimination in adoption cases.

Yu is optimistic the law can be introduced as early as next year.

Jay Lin, the organiser of Taiwan’s first awards ceremony for promoting LGBT rights, which was due to take place on Friday, said much still had to be done to break down societal taboos about gay relationships, but conceded that Picoux’s death had softened public attitudes.

A day after Yu’s bill was published, Picoux and Tseng’s ashes were scattered together in the sea on Taiwan’s southeast coast.

“That tragedy really brought it home. It’s not just legislation or a piece of paper, it’s about love and commitment and not being able to fulfil that,” said Lin.

 

 

Meanwhile, another high-profile group came forward and voiced its agenda ... as usual. 

 

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/10/30/2003658229

 

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The Taipei City Government’s support of a gay parade is “pathetic,” the Alliance of Religious Groups for the Love of Families Taiwan said yesterday, adding that children are most benefited when raised in a family of “one man and one woman.”

Alliance members held signs reading: “Gay behavior is contagious” and “Against the legalization of same-sex marriage” in front of Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall’s Liberty Square at a news conference a couple of hours before the Taiwan Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Parade began.

Alliance secretary-general Chang Shou-yi (張守一) said the group is formed from numerous religious and social groups that hold the same value of “protecting the family and marriage.”

Homosexual advocates and the parade actively encourage “gay culture and the ideology of sexual liberation,” Chang said.

He said the ideology “does not care for affection, but emphasizes sex, encourages sexual contact with multiple people at the same time, unscrupulously corrupts good morals, ethics and traditional culture, and seduces children, causing them to lose the ability to cultivate a relationship, or even turning them into homosexuals.”

“The groups deliberately harm children,” he said.

The group held photographs of signs that were displayed at previous parades and criticized the event as an endorsement of behaviors “against public order and good morals,” such as nudity, and sex with underaged people, multiple people at once, strangers, teachers, or even animals.

Other signs said gender alteration is not a human right.

Chang said that homosexual rights groups are “brainwashing our next generation and educating them to become homosexual,” with education providers having campuses dedicated to “gender equality.”

It is pathetic that some local governments support these events, he said, adding that the endorsements were aimed at securing the votes of young people.

The alliance said that homosexuals should not be allowed to adopt or use in vitro fertilization, because same-sex couples provide an unstable environment and have a serious effect on children, causing them to grow up feeling insecure and hindering their development.

“Taiwanese homosexuals have sexual relationships with an average of 53.26 people in their lives, they change sexual partners after 28.5 days on average and 89 percent have had a one-night stand,” the group said, citing statistics from “a survey conducted before the Internet era by a local academic.”

“Many homosexual couples do not want to get married, so why modify the law to include same-sex unions?” the group said, adding that the practice among gay people is fundamentally different from marriage.

It urged lawmakers and the government to consider the issue carefully

 

How long will it still take for the final breakthrough in Taiwan? 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/world/asia/taiwan-gay-marriage-legalize.html

 

Taiwan May Be First in Asia to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage

By CHRIS HORTONNOV. 18, 2016

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Supporters of same-sex marriage demonstrated in Taipei, the capital, on Sunday. President Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan has spoken out in favor of same-sex marriage. CreditRitchie B. Tongo/European Pressphoto Agency 

TAIPEI, Taiwan — Sitting in the third row of a small chapel, Ms. Liou wiped away tears of joy as her sister exchanged wedding vows with her new husband. A few feet away, Ms. Liou’s partner stood alone, maintaining their public charade of being just friends.

Ms. Liou — who asked that her full name not be disclosed because she had yet to come out as gay — said she would feel more comfortable holding her partner’s hand or embracing her in a society that did not view their way of life as out of the ordinary.

“If we could realize marriage equality in Taiwan, people in our situation could lead fuller lives,” she said.

That day could be coming soon, although it is not assured. Bills that would legalize same-sex marriage are moving through Taiwan’s legislative system, bringing the island closer to becoming the first place in Asia with marriage equality. Some predict it could happen early next year.

The political climate in Taiwan has never been more favorable. President Tsai Ing-wen, who took office in May, has spoken out in favor of same-sex marriage. Her Democratic Progressive Party, which is largely sympathetic to gay rights, holds the majority in the Legislative Yuan.

Some cities are already extending symbolic recognition of same-sex relationships. In May, Kaohsiung became the first city in Taiwan to register same-sex couples. Shortly afterward, Taipei, the capital, followed suit.

This month, Kaohsiung issued its first same-sex “partnership cards” to gay couples, and the Taipei city government announced that it would soon do the same. The deputy director of the Kaohsiung civil affairs bureau, Chen Shu-fang, said the cards would make it easier to contact partners in emergencies and for hospitals to include partners in medical decisions.

In Asia, Taiwan is an island of relative acceptance for gays, lesbians and those of other sexual orientations. In some Asian countries, including Brunei, homosexual acts are illegal.

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Cindy Su, left, and Lana Yu with one of their children in Taipei. The couple married in Canada, but their union is not recognized in Taiwan. CreditChiang Ying-Ying/Associated Press 

The governing Democratic Progressive Party; the opposition Nationalist Party, or Kuomintang; and the smaller New Power Party have each proposed same-sex marriage bills. As of Friday, the bills were in the hands of a Legislative Yuan judiciary committee.

Taiwan has considered marriage equality before. Hsiao Bi-khim, a legislator from the Democratic Progressive Party, submitted a same-sex marriage bill in 2005 that was blocked outright. In 2013, a bill reached the committee review stage but stalled. Now, Ms. Hsiao said, things are different.

“We have a much better chance this time around,” she said. If a bill comes to a vote in the Legislative Yuan, it will need the support of at least 57 of the body’s 113 lawmakers for passage. So far, Ms. Hsiao said, the bills have collectively received backing from 56 legislators.

All of the bills would legalize same-sex marriage and permit gay couples to adopt, said Yu Mei-nu, a legislator who submitted the Democratic Progressive Party’s proposal. The author of the Kuomintang bill, Hsu Yu-jen, also co-signed the Democratic Progressive Party draft, highlighting the momentum that marriage equality has gathered in both major parties, although some members of each party oppose it.

Public support for legalizing same-sex unions is robust, Ms. Yu said. She noted the large turnout last month for the 14th L.G.B.T. Pride Parade in Taipei, which attracted about 80,000 participants from Taiwan and around Asia.

Ms. Yu said legalization had a good chance of passing in Taiwan’s next legislative session, from February through May. But if the proposal fails then, its chances in the sessions that follow — ahead of the legislative elections in November 2018 — could be lower, she said, as the issue remains controversial.

“This is a golden opportunity,” Ms. Yu said. “But the opposition is strong.”

She noted that legislators who had initially signed on to the 2013 bill withdrew their support after being pressured by groups opposed to same-sex marriage.

On Thursday, thousands of people protesting legalization, dressed in white, occupied the street outside the judiciary committee proceedings in Taipei, denouncing what they called a “black box” in which the bills were being considered. They chanted demands for the legislature to hold public hearings on the issue, and some called for a plebiscite. Late Thursday, the legislative caucuses of the Democratic Progressive Party and the Kuomintang agreed to each hold a hearing to air opinions on legalization before continuing deliberations.

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Thousands of people in Taipei on Thursday protesting the proposal to legalize same-sex marriage.CreditBilly H.C. Kwok/Getty Images 

Among the opposition is the Alliance of Religious Groups for the Love of Families Taiwan, which was formed to block the 2013 bill, and is now focusing its attention on presenting its views to legislators.

“We don’t use the term ‘lobbying,’” Andrew Chang, the alliance’s secretary general, said in an interview. “We’re going to explain in detail the social impacts, and they can make their own decision.”

Miao Poya, a gay rights advocate, said, “Society on the whole has become more accepting” than it was a decade ago, when patrons of gay clubs were often harassed by the police. “Support for marriage equality is especially strong among younger people.”

Gay-friendly sex education in Taiwan’s public schools and support from straight celebrities have helped increase tolerance, she said.

Among those celebrities is the pop singer A-Mei, who is from the aboriginal Puyuma tribe.

“In our tribe, we don’t see love as complicated,” A-mei wrote in an email. “So for me, L.G.B.T. love and the right to marry are as natural as breathing. And nobody should be able to deprive others of the right to breathe.”

Last month, A-mei received the Generation Award for her support for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights at the inaugural Queermosa Awards, organized by the Taiwan International Queer Film Festival. Queermosa’s goal is to spotlight people working to make those voices heard, said the festival’s director, Jay Lin. He cited the United States as an example to emulate, noting that television there includes many characters of varying sexual orientations.

“I really do see a lot more potential for media to have an impact,” Mr. Lin said. “After the Queermosa Awards, TV producers and film producers actually came up to me and said, ‘O.K., what can we do to have more diversity on TV and in film?’”

For now, Mr. Lin said he was focused on “finding out who the allies are” to ensure that marriage equality became a reality.

“If we don’t capitalize on this moment,” he said, “I don’t know when the next opportunity will be.”

 
 
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Thousands rally in Taiwan to oppose same-sex marriage

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TAIPEI: Thousands protested in Taipei on Thursday (Nov 17) against draft bills that would make Taiwan the first place in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage, arguing traditional family values would be undermined.

Protesters dressed in white and holding placards with the slogans including "Stand forward for the next generation's happiness" packed a street outside the parliament, where a committee was debating the issue.

They shook their hands in the air and gave the thumbs-down as they watched a live stream of the committee meeting on a big screen.

Supporters of gay rights are more hopeful than ever that same-sex marriage will soon become a reality under the pro-gay rights Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), which is in control of parliament for the first time.

But opposing voices have been building since proposed amendments to legalise same-sex marriage passed initial vetting in parliament earlier this month.

While Taiwan is considered progressive on many issues, its roots in Confucianism translate into a strong sense of adherence to traditional values such as family loyalty and social hierarchy.

David Tseng, spokesman of the rally's organiser, The Happiness of the Next Generation Alliance, said that while the group supported equal rights for same-sex partners in certain areas, marriage should only be between a man and a woman.

"Now they want to amend the law to do away with the 'father' and 'mother' altogether," he told AFP. "We are different from the West. In Eastern culture, we place great importance on filial piety to one's father and mother. This is a virtue we must keep," he said.

Tseng also called for a referendum on the issue, criticising the absence of public participation in drafting the bills.

Taiwan is one of the region's most forward-thinking societies when it comes to gay rights, but progress on marriage equality had been stagnant, because of resistance from the Kuomintang (KMT) party, which dominated politics for decades before being unseated by the DPP in May.

President Tsai Ing-wen has also openly supported marriage equality and said she would respect any decision reached by parliament.

A Christian alliance came to Taipei from the south of the island Thursday to protest. Dozens wearing black clerical clothing listened to a sermon while some blew horns used during worship.

"Only a heterosexual marriage can create the possibility of bearing children, and only then can we sustain the nation's next generation," said Wang Tzu-hao, a pastor representing the group.

"Marriage is a human right, but like all human rights there are limitations," he told AFP.

A smattering of rainbow flags were also seen amid the protesters and a small group of gay marriage supporters also gathered outside parliament.

Nicole Yu, who described herself as a Christian, said she hoped the bill would pass so her parents would no longer be afraid to tell friends their daughter is gay. "The bible does not oppose same-sex love," she said. 

- AFP/ec

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Participants take part in a rally demanding the Taiwanese government to legalize same-sex marriage in front of the ruling Nationalist Kuomintang Party headquarters in Taipei, Taiwan, July 11, 2015. REUTERS/Pichi Chuang

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

           

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This may well be one of the most well formulated argument I have heard.

 

"We should be working on other issues in the society like teen suicides instead of working on taking away the rights of other people"

 

(Chinese with no translation)

"To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all"

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2 hours ago, wilfgene said:

Here comes the good old traditional Asian values.

Moderator care to combine this thread with the one on same sex  marriage?

Combine for what? This development is momentous and poignant for the rest of asian LGBTs. Taiwanese christians vowed to gather a crowd of 30k on nov 30 to protest the second examination of the bill again. It deserves a thread of its own!

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1 hour ago, Vometra said:

 

More like prehistoric desert tribe messianic death cult values. 

Dinosaur values! They should remain as fossils locked up in museums with the key thrown away. The taiwanese christians stoked the flames of confucius values, booked buses and brought the southern villagers up to Taipei to protest a bill which they know nothing about and concerns them the least. The lady who referenced sex and the city is strident but confused indeed. This reminded me of the trump presidency ascension that relied on votes from the rural states. Tragic.

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22 hours ago, Guest Poker face liar said:

 

This 张守一 is the lawrence khong of taiwan, full of lies, deceit and treachery! Christians are such professional liars.

If you look at 40:50 the man tried to lift opinions from alternative sources to present them as facts, but was busted by the laywer, and he accused her back of doing what exactly he was doing. Christians like him who manipulate information, twist facts around using religious opinions, and totally ignoring presented scientific data are dangerous and deplorable! :angry2:

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http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3040479

 

Same-sex marriage to be reviewed on Dec.26

DPP will not present own version: Ker

 
By Matthew Strong, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
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        TAIPEI (Taiwan News) – The review of same-sex marriage proposals at the Legislative Yuan has been scheduled for December 26 amid protests by supporters and proponents of changes.

        Taiwan has long been named as the Asian country most likely to be the first to legalize marriages between persons of the same sex, but the push to approve the necessary legislation has become mired in dispute.

        Proposals first floundered during the previous Legislature, but after President Tsai Ing-wen and her Democratic Progressive Party won last January’s elections by a significant margin, it was thought momentum would soon build again. It only did so however after the death of a retired French lecturer, most likely a suicide out of sadness for his deceased gay partner.

        The latest attempts to pass the legislation were met with strong opposition and protests by the opponents of same-sex marriage, often religious groups. They succeeded in having the Legislative Yuan schedule two extra public hearings on the subject.

        With the hearings now over, the Legislature has decided to reschedule the review for December 26, almost a month away. A new dispute has erupted however between the legislators in favor of simply amending existing laws and those who want a completely new law.

        Last week, the top DPP lawmaker, Ker Chien-ming, said he favored a new law, which provoked criticism from the supporters of same-sex marriage and has even led to a signature campaign to recall him. Other DPP legislators however, said they disagreed with Ker’s views.

        He criticized the three existing proposals, which originated with Yu Mei-nu of the DPP, Jason Hsu of the Kuomintang, and with the New Power Party, as too simplistic in their beliefs that it was enough to amend five laws to introduce same-sex marriage. Because of those differences, the DPP would not present a version of its own, Ker said.

        A recent opinion poll showed an equilibrium between supporters and opponents of same-sex marriage.

 
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On 11/25/2016 at 9:40 AM, knittinguy said:

What are all these people gonna do when the bill is passed down? LLST?

 

There's more real issues in the world and in country that they should be more concerned about.

 

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(By Central News Agency)

    AIPEI (Taiwan News) – The review of same-sex marriage proposals at the Legislative Yuan has been scheduled for December 26 amid protests by supporters and proponents of changes.

        

        Last week, the top DPP lawmaker, Ker Chien-ming, said he favored a new law, which provoked criticism from the supporters of same-sex marriage and has even led to a signature campaign to recall him. Other DPP legislators however, said they disagreed with Ker’s views.

        He criticized the three existing proposals, which originated with Yu Mei-nu of the DPP, Jason Hsu of the Kuomintang, and with the New Power Party, as too simplistic in their beliefs that it was enough to amend five laws to introduce same-sex marriage. Because of those differences, the DPP would not present a version of its own, Ker said.

        A recent opinion poll showed an equilibrium between supporters and opponents of same-sex marriage.

 

That instead of settling for a new law, proponents put in extra efforts to amend five laws has shown a high level of political consciousness on their parts.

JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES BEGINS WITH THE FIRST STEP.

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I'm hearten to see that Taiwan is in the process of legalising gay marriage. I hope this will also happen soon in Singapore and the rest of the world.

 

The right to love and marry is a basic human right. All LGBT want is to have this basic right. We should all strive to make our society more inclusive, where every citizen is protected, honoured and given the opportunity to develop his or her full potential.

 

While certain people may have deep religious belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman, it's important that we do not allow the religious belief of a group of people to be imposed onto others. For instance, while muslims believe that one should not eat pork, we do not enact laws to ban everyone from eating pork or make it illegal for people to eat meat just because some buddhists believe one should be a vegetarian.

 

If two persons are truly in love and want to marry, no one has no right to stop them. It's their personal matter.

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I thought everyone like gays in Taiwan ? They do not have PAP , they do not have that many Christians , Muslims , etc . Imagine if they have as many of these people there ......

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It is because Taiwan is a democratic country, so all voices must be heard. They will be opponents and proponents. Unless the opposing forces can state explicitly clear the detrimental effects of same-sex marriage to others, I firmly believe same-sex marriage will eventually be passed under this administration. 

 

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1 hour ago, superflawless said:

It is because Taiwan is a democratic country, so all voices must be heard. They will be opponents and proponents. Unless the opposing forces can state explicitly clear the detrimental effects of same-sex marriage to others, I firmly believe same-sex marriage will eventually be passed under this administration. 

 

They are TOO DEMOCRATIC, they bowed down to forceful maneuvers and violence from opposing forces to block the examining of the bill proposals. While all voices must be heard, not all voices should be entertained, and repetitive voices from ancient, prejudiced and deceptive demonic forces that denies basic human rights must be granted the right to be proactively ignored in order for the efficient administration of justice.

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Well if they enacted a special gay marriage law as opposed to amending the civil law "between men and women" to "couples", it is going to take 3 to 5 years to go into effect before taiwanese gay couples can start opting for "some" marriage protection, due to hundreds of related clauses that need to be amended. Whereas if the much simpler civil law amendment route is taken, gays in taiwan can get married as soon as next February. Taiwanese christian lobby groups are trying to delay the passing of the law by insisting on pubic consultation meetings (which they have held in past years to no consensus) till the next election where i presume they hope to overthrow the incumbant DPP government and re-elect the conservative KMD back into power to hault gay marriage equality for as long as possible. This reminds me of the crafty congee and gang delaying entering prison christmas after christmas. That same craftiness enabled their morally skewed teachings to keep surviving and sneaking into modern secular societies and even laws i guess.

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2 hours ago, Guest Creestean 吊 said:

This reminds me of the crafty congee and gang delaying entering prison christmas after christmas. That same craftiness enabled their morally skewed teachings to keep surviving and sneaking into modern secular societies and even laws i guess.

 

I have no axe to grind with KongHee and gang. After all, what happened was between willing parties.

 

Lawrence Khong, however, should be LGBT's public enemy number 1.

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4 hours ago, Vometra said:

 

I have no axe to grind with KongHee and gang. After all, what happened was between willing parties.

 

Lawrence Khong, however, should be LGBT's public enemy number 1.

Congee used guile and sneaky means to do what he did! Church members aren't willing parties when they are kept in the dark!

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On 01/12/2016 at 9:47 PM, Vometra said:

 

I have no axe to grind with KongHee and gang. After all, what happened was between willing parties.

 

Lawrence Khong, however, should be LGBT's public enemy number 1.

 

Lawrence Khong and his gang are the devils of Singapore.

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Taiwan set to legalize same-sex marriages, a first in Asia

They are having a big demonstration on 10th December 2016.

They are looking for some support.... so far, sydney, London and several UK cities are supporting them

 

Wonder anyone in singapore supporting them?

 

Lots of facebook on this...
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/gay/M.1481214846.A.5AD.html
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/gay/M.1480535848.A.8E9.html

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/gay/M.1481153136.A.102.html

 

http://map.marriageforall.org/map/main

 

support from Chicago - https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/gay/M.1481206883.A.BB5.html

 

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Taiwan Parliament had two hearings from experts on 24 Nov and 28 Nov.

Both are available on Youtube...

 

(several versions --- full versions are rather irritating, because it is live recording, so it started from 9am through 5pm, and all the breaks are silent mode)

full version (24 Nov) -

 

 

 

full version (28 Nov) -

 

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Interesting

the main attacker from conservative (Zhang Shou Yi)  discovered to commited adultery (a crime in taiwan) and have a second family outside his first.  Original family and extra-marital family gave him a son and a daughter respectively.  The news was exposed on wednesday,

 

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/gay/M.1481054994.A.4F7.html

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As a background,

TW christian populations - 5%

TW GLBT populations - 4%

 

However, in almost all the poll, support vs against equality-marriage is 45% vs 45% (10% decline express opinion, this is consider exceedingly high representation, as most poll usually about 60-70% expressing opinion). This show that most are willing to voice out.

If ever singapore is going to have a go to fight for same-sex marriage, we need to learn from them.

 

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Looking at how the conservative group spread rumors is disgusting

 

some examples:

1) After legalizing, the term "father" and "mother" will be remove in legal papers, therefore children will never be able to call their parents mum and dad

2) If legalize, next we will have group marriage and object, animal marriage

3) Humanity will end if gay marriage is legalize

And the conservative group spokesperson who sworn to protect family values all have bad records in marriage or sexual behavior

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The ones making the most noise at others' morality are often the guiltiest of wrongdoing. Lawrence khong: is your lady boy closet iron-cladded enough?

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As a background,

TW christian populations - 5%

TW GLBT populations - 4%

 

However, in almost all the poll, support vs against equality-marriage is 45% vs 45% (10% decline express opinion, this is consider exceedingly high representation, as most poll usually about 60-70% expressing opinion). This show that most are willing to voice out.

If ever singapore is going to have a go to fight for same-sex marriage, we need to learn from them.

 

 

Your statistics actually perfectly points out why an earthquake is more likely to strike Singapore than the government legalizing same sex marriage here.

 

Considering the biggest opponents to same sex marriage are adherents of monotheistic religions (belief in a singular, omnipresent God with explicit 'Holy' texts condemning homosexuals [amongst others like witches, murderers and slave traders] to hell) , i.e. Catholicism, Christianity, Islam and Judaism, I will focus on these percentages.

 

Taiwan:

Catholic + Christian + Muslim + Jewish population: 1.5 + 3 + 0.3 + negligible [300 people est.] = 4.8%

 

Singapore:

7.1 + 11 + 14.3 + 0.05 [2500 people est.] = 32.45%

 

And when we take a look at the religious breakdown of the Singapore government, we get:

44 (Catholicism & Christianity is combined here) + 17 + 0 = 61% (note that this excludes many new MPs from the 2 most recent elections who are "advised" not to disclose their religious adherence).

 

Also other fun facts to note: the Singaporean delegate to the United Nations has always (as in, literally, always, 100%) voted AGAINST any referendum for same sex marriage, and voted FOR the continued constitutional 'right' to discriminate against homosexuals.

 

Wishing Taiwan all the best! I may need to go there in the future for my cert haha.

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Singaporeans need to listen to this nun 釋昭慧's meaningful and logical explanation of why christians and christian organisations against gays and gay marriage are wrong and why same sex marriage is important for gays and why it should be approved. Her speech timings are at 8:42, 22:18, 31:01 and 1:06:46.

 

 

 

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Law going into effect delayed 3 months from 2017 feb to may/june due to the protestors-forced public hearing sessions causing the bill checking and examining date to be pushed backwards into the next legislature meeting.

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The world is so small these days. What happens in one country will affect everyone in some way. I call for unity to stand by our gay friends in Taiwan. Even for those of us who don't choose marriage for ourselves, we should stand by everyone's right to choose.

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The world is so small these days. What happens in one country will affect everyone in some way. I call for unity to stand by our gay friends in Taiwan. Even for those of us who don't choose marriage for ourselves, we should stand by everyone's right to choose.

 

Totally!:)

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So is it 26 dec or may/june?

26 dec is the second bill proposal checking, the laws will go into effect may/june 2017.

 

Either special laws will be enacted for gay marriage, or the civil code for marriage will be amended to include gay marriage, which will be passed on may/june 2017.

 

It's confirmed taiwanese gays will be able to get married with either method by may/june 2017, just that the kinds of protection by the law will depend on the route taken to grant gay marriage legal rights to taiwanese gays: civil marriage code amendment or "special gay marriage laws" enacted.

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26 dec is the second bill proposal checking, the laws will go into effect may/june 2017.

 

Either special laws will be enacted for gay marriage, or the civil code for marriage will be amended to include gay marriage, which will be passed on may/june 2017.

 

It's confirmed taiwanese gays will be able to get married with either method by may/june 2017, just that the kinds of protection by the law will depend on the route taken to grant gay marriage legal rights to taiwanese gays: civil marriage code amendment or "special gay marriage laws" enacted.

 

 

zhun bo? confirmed gay marriage coming to Taiwan?

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zhun bo? confirmed gay marriage coming to Taiwan?

Very unlikely it won't from the looks of it. Almost everyone agrees gays should be able to get married in taiwan, people there are more divided between civil code admendment or special laws.

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