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3 hours ago, Andrew ang525 said:

Now, even People Republic of China (mainland) is also contemplating legalizing Same-Sex Marriage....

http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/EDTovx1xpZ2jFZG93IbCgA

 

And we are still saying we are 'conservative' and Asian......

When the politicians say we are asian, they mean "malay muslim". When they say conservative, they are refering to the christians and muslims. Ancient chinese, like the ancient romans and greeks, didn't have that much of a problem with homosexuality unlike the christians and muslims now.

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/taiwan-marriage-court-hearing?utm_term=.penyd7vW4X#.dgpYmxjeNr

Here's What A Taiwanese Court Hearing Could Mean For Marriage Equality

"Parents won’t recognise their child as a grown-up unless he or she is married."

Posted on March 23, 2017, at 11:49 a.m.
Lane Sainty
Lane Sainty
BuzzFeed News Reporter, Australia

For most people, inviting your partner to a family dinner is not a big deal. But for Ai-Ju Wang and Ying-Chih Chen, a Taiwanese couple in their 30s who have been together for six years, it is more complicated than that.

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The pair met at work – Wang is a cinematographer, Chen a musician and film composer – and live in New Tapei City in Taiwan.

They also have two cats. "They’re our important family members," Wang wrote in an email to BuzzFeed News.

But as Wang and Chen are both women, they cannot marry.

"In the traditional Chinese society, an unmarried person is always like a child in their family," Wang said. "Parents won’t recognise their child as a grown-up unless he or she is married.

"If we were able to get married... we could finally bring each other to the dinner on Chinese New Year’s Eve, which is very meaningful to Chinese people."

Wang and Chen's cats.

Wang and Chen's cats.

Taiwan has been widely touted as among the next countries likely to adopt same-sex marriage. It would be a significant move, making Taiwan the first Asian country to do so, and only the second in the Asia Pacific region, after New Zealand in 2013.

While Taiwan is perhaps better positioned than other countries in the region, the change is in no way assured.

A March 24 court hearing will consider whether same-sex marriage is guaranteed under the Taiwanese Constitution.

The result could have an enormous impact on the debate: a victory could see the court direct the Taiwanese parliament to allow same-sex marriage. A loss would not stymie the movement, but a boost in numbers is currently needed to solidify the prospect of a bill passing through parliament.

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Victoria Hsu, co-founder and CEO of the Taiwan Alliance to Promote Civil Partnership Rights (TAPCPR), told BuzzFeed News there are 498 laws that provide "spouse-exclusive rights" in Taiwan.

"These rights include a lot of essential needs – property rights, tax benefits, medical care, insurance," she said. "All kinds of social welfare. The right to jointly adopt a child. The right to request a body when a partner dies. Inheritance rights.

"These laws widely cover and exist in every aspect of a person’s life and death."

The court will discuss two different suits relating to the constitutionality of same-sex marriage – one brought by longtime gay activist Chi Chia-wei, who spent time in prison in 1986 when he came out as gay, and the other by the Tapei City government.

Hsu will represent Chi Chia-wei at the hearing, and argue that the ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional.

"It violates the principle of equality, in Article Seven of Taiwan’s constitution," she said. "And it violates the freedom to marry, which stems from Article 22 of Taiwan’s constitution."

Other parties represented at the hearing include the Taiwanese Ministry of Justice, and a panel of four experts invited by the judges.

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Depending on the decision of the court, activists fear the creation of a separate act that would allow relationship recognition for same-sex couples, while falling short of marriage.

"The struggle we have right now is really about whether to have a special law, whether it’s going to be marriage or only some sort of partnership," Wayne Lin, CEO of LGBT organisation the Taiwan Tonghzi Hotline Association, told BuzzFeed News last month. "That’s something we are fighting right now."

Lin said he doesn't want a special partnership law, but struggles with the notion of letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

"My struggle is that I want to amend the civil code, to get the same rights as heterosexual couples. That’s what I want. But if in the end, most legislators are so afraid of amending the civil code they want to play safe with a special law – can I reject this proposal just because I feel that it’s not progressive enough?

"I don’t want to make a decision on behalf of a society. I will leave it for the LGBT community to discuss and come up with their decision."

Hsu, meanwhile, is "cautiously optimistic" about the outcome of the court hearing, with a decision likely in late April or early May.

"Obviously some judges are quite conservative and some are relatively open minded," she said. "The majority of them, I think, are not familiar with LGBT issues. That will be a big question. So this is also a challenge for them."

Lane Sainty is a reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in Sydney, Australia.

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7 hours ago, Andrew ang525 said:

Currently live online - http://2017judicial-cds.cdn.hinet.net/pc/index.html

 

JudiciaryReview currently on hearing in Taiwan Supreme Court.

outcome of the Judiciary Review, a good account can be read at the PTT Gay......

 

https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/gay/M.1490292770.A.B81.html

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In summary - rights of LGBT for marriage is to be protected.  But 3:3 about whether to modify existing law (preferred by the LGBT community) than a special law (civil union law) which is deemed discriminative.

But my summary may not be very exact.... there are different opinions about interpretation that the Taiwanese are arguing....

 

Overall seems positive.....

EXCEPT the law minister seems to sound rather negative.

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1 hour ago, Andrew ang525 said:

In summary - rights of LGBT for marriage is to be protected.  But 3:3 about whether to modify existing law (preferred by the LGBT community) than a special law (civil union law) which is deemed discriminative.

But my summary may not be very exact.... there are different opinions about interpretation that the Taiwanese are arguing....

 

Overall seems positive.....

EXCEPT the law minister seems to sound rather negative.

 

 

Thank you andrew.

Wish i know Chinese.

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4 hours ago, Andrew ang525 said:

In summary - rights of LGBT for marriage is to be protected.  But 3:3 about whether to modify existing law (preferred by the LGBT community) than a special law (civil union law) which is deemed discriminative.

But my summary may not be very exact.... there are different opinions about interpretation that the Taiwanese are arguing....

 

Overall seems positive.....

EXCEPT the law minister seems to sound rather negative.

法务部部长邱泰山?Negative in what way? He scared of offending the christians?

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3 hours ago, Guest AsiaNumber1 said:

法务部部长邱泰山?Negative in what way? He scared of offending the christians?

Yes, it appears Tsai YingWen is having after-thoughts.....

The LGBT community is upset that she had not even mention the judiciary review court in her facebook......and vow to change their support to Shi-Dai-Li-Liang now.

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6 hours ago, Andrew ang525 said:

Yes, it appears Tsai YingWen is having after-thoughts.....

The LGBT community is upset that she had not even mention the judiciary review court in her facebook......and vow to change their support to Shi-Dai-Li-Liang now.

Is SHE even a les-bionic woman? A bit 吃里扒外。讲一套做一套。Bridge burning dyke. Yikes! (押韵)

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39376423

Taiwan top court hears landmark gay marriage case

  • 24 March 2017
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Veteran gay rights activist Chi Chia-wei (C) speaks to the press with his supporters in front of the Judicial Yuan in Taipei on 24 March 2017.Image copyrightAFP/GETTY IMAGES Image captionChi Chia-wei (centre, wearing rainbow flag) brought on the case with a court petition

A panel of judges at Taiwan's top court are hearing a case that could make the island the first place in Asia to introduce gay marriage.

The case has been brought by a gay activist as well as municipal authorities from the capital, Taipei.

Taiwan's parliament has also been debating whether to pass laws that would allow same-sex marriage.

The movement has split society and prompted a conservative backlash, with vocal protests in recent months.

A panel of 14 justices are hearing arguments and will debate whether a line in Taiwan's civil code, which states that marriage is between a man and a woman, is unconstitutional.

 
Media captionTaiwan's push to legalize same sex marriage

Veteran gay activist Chi Chia-wei, whose attempt at registering marriage with his partner in 2013 was rejected, had petitioned for the case to be heard.

Taipei city authorities, who have been receiving requests for gay marriage, had also petitioned for clarity.


Historic decision-making - Cindy Sui, BBC News, Taiwan correspondent

The hearing lasts only one day, but could be a decisive turning point in Taiwan's decades-long debate on whether to legalise same-sex marriage.

It's the first time the judiciary is opening the Constitutional Court on the issue. If the judges rule that Taiwan's current ban is unconstitutional, then parliament will be forced to amend the laws to offer gay couples protection.

Lawmakers, while initially supportive, have become less enthusiastic about passing such bills after vocal opposition by mainly religious groups and parents.

If the judges rule in favour of it, they will in essence be doing the dirty work for lawmakers, who can then tell their voters they have no choice but to amend the laws.

But it's still unclear how this would play out.

If same-sex marriage is approved, the LGBT community does not want a separate law to be created that only gives some protection to same-sex partners.

They want current family laws to be amended so that gay couples would be treated the same as heterosexual couples, as they would then get equal rights and treatment in all matters, including adoption of children.


Legal experts and government officials are taking part in the hearing, after which the justices will debate among themselves. The ruling is expected to come out in two months' time.

Gay rights campaigners carrying rainbow flags, turned up in front of the court in Taipei, as did anti-gay marriage protesters.

Anti same-sex marriage activists speak to the press outside the Judicial Yuan in Taipei on 24 March 2017. Image captionConservative activists have also turned up protesting against same-sex marriage

In December Taiwan's parliament approved the first draft of a bill to legalise gay marriage, with a second reading due in months.

President Tsai Ing-wen has previously said she would support marriage equality. Taiwan is known for its progressive values and energetic LGBTQ movement.

But rallies by gay rights activists in recent months have been met with protests from conservative groups and calls for the same-sex marriage bill to be struck down.

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A surprisingly positive report on the 154th media.

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/taiwan-court-hears-landmark-gay-marriage-case

 

Taiwan court hears landmark gay marriage case

 

A supporter of same-sex marriage waves a flag outside the Judicial Yuan in Taipei on March 24, 2017.PHOTO: AFP

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TAIPEI (AFP) - Taiwan's constitutional court heard a landmark case on Friday (March 24) that could make the island the first place in Asia to allow same-sex marriage.

A panel of 14 grand justices heard a debate over a disputed law that critics say is unconstitutional because it prevents unions between gay couples.

Campaigners for and against same-sex marriage gathered outside the court in Taipei, which was heavily guarded for the hearing.

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Two petitions for a special interpretation of Taiwan's constitution were presented to the court by veteran gay rights activist Chi Chia-wei and the Taipei city government, which has been receiving a growing number of requests to register same-sex marriages.

The Taipei government's representative Liao Yuan-hao argued legally allowing gay unions would "not change the essence of marriage, but would solidify its values".

 
 

"Society recognises gay people have the same needs. They are normal people wanting to build normal relations and the law should include them," he told the court.

At the centre of the case is a clause in Taiwan's Civil Code which says an agreement to marry should be made between a man and a woman.

Authorities in Taiwan have been rejecting applications for same-sex marriages based on this clause.

The petitioners want the court to rule whether that part of the Civil Code contravenes elements in Taiwan's constitution which guarantee equality and freedom of marriage.

But justice minister Chiu Tai-san argued the code does not violate the constitution because it does not specifically bar same-sex unions.

He also said more time needed to be taken to achieve a wider consensus on gay marriage in Taiwan.

"Abruptly changing (the law) will impact social order," Chiu added.

The hearing came after the first draft of a bill to legalise gay marriage was passed by Taiwan's parliament in December. That bill is now due for a second reading.

But the process could be overtaken by the court ruling, which is expected within two months.

"The constitutional court's decision is legally-binding," Hsieh Kuo-lien, a law professor at National University of Kaohsiung, told AFP.

"If its decision is favourable to gay rights activists, it would be effectively legalising same-sex marriage." Taiwan is considered progressive on many issues including gay rights, but its roots in Confucianism translate into a strong sense of adherence to traditional mores.

There has been growing momentum behind the campaign to change the law.

However, the debate has also split society, with conservative groups saying allowing same-sex unions would destroy family values.

Both sides have staged huge marches in recent months, with tens of thousands taking to the streets.

Outside the court on Friday, gay rights supporters waved rainbow flags while opponents chanted "marriage is between a husband and wife".

Activist Chi brought the petition to the constitutional court after multiple failed legal bids to seek recognition of his marriage.

"I am cautiously optimistic as the world trend is to recognise same-sex marriage and the grand justices are unlikely to bar it," Chi told AFP ahead of the hearing Friday.

Past attempts to legalise same-sex marriage stalled under the Kuomintang party, which dominated politics for decades until it was unseated by President Tsai Ing-wen's Democratic Progressive Party last year.

Campaigners were given new hope when Tsai was elected as she has openly supported marriage equality.

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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/hope-in-taiwan-ahead-of-landmark-gay-marriage-ruling-8871334

 

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TAIPEI: A court ruling in Taiwan this week could make the island the first place in Asia to legalise same-sex marriage, in a decision that would give activists around the region new hope in their quest for equality.

A panel of grand justices will announce its verdict on Wednesday in a landmark case that centres on whether Taiwan's current law on the issue is unconstitutional.

Campaigners are nervous but optimistic after years of court appeals and lack of progress in parliament.

For one man, the battle has lasted decades.

"I feel 100 percent confident about a positive outcome," said Chi Chia-wei, 59, one of two parties petitioning the constitutional court.

"I am optimistic but I wouldn't be overly excited. This should have happened long ago," said the activist who made his first submission for recognition of gay marriage in 1986.

At the centre of the case is a clause in Taiwan's Civil Code which says an agreement to marry should be made between a man and a woman.

Chi wants the court to rule on whether that contravenes elements in Taiwan's constitution which guarantee equality and freedom of marriage.

The decision is binding, so a ruling in his favour would pave the way for same-sex unions to be legalised.

The other party bringing the case is the Taipei city government, which has been rejecting marriage applications by same-sex couples and is seeking clarification of the law.

Jennifer Lu and her partner of four years tried to marry in August of 2014.

"Everyone is really looking forward to the decision, not only in Taiwan but across Asia," said Lu, an activist with rights group Taiwan LGBT Hotline Association, citing campaigns in Japan and South Korea.

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Taiwan is seen as one of the most progressive societies in the region when it comes to gay rights, and momentum has been gathering since President Tsai Ing-wen -- who has openly supported marriage equality -- came to power last May.

The legislature has also made more progress than ever, with proposals to amend the Civil Code passing the first reading in December.

But the debate has also highlighted deep divisions in society. Conservative and religious groups have argued that allowing same-sex unions would destroy family values.

"We have our structure of husband and wife, man and woman, and they want to change this," said Sammy Yu, a spokesman for a group called Stability of Power.

"Marriage is not just about love, and feelings. It is also about the continuity of the human race," he told AFP at a protest last week outside the office of the Judicial Yuan, which oversees Taiwan's legal system.

At the protest, a mother read a speech saying same-sex couples cannot provide good homes for children while two dozen protesters held black umbrellas and banners reading: "Traditional marriage is not unconstitutional."

Meanwhile, across the street, students at a girls' high school waved a big rainbow flag from behind the gate.

If the court deems the law should be changed, it will likely set a deadline for parliament to amend the code, says Victoria Hsu, a lawyer representing activist Chi in his petition.

But Hsu -- who also heads campaign group Taiwan Alliance to Promote Civil Partnership Rights -- is worried that instead of changing the Civil Code, the judges will lean towards enacting a separate law for same-sex unions.

Although it would represent progress, it may mean gay people would not be granted the same spousal status as heterosexual couples, she says.

"As long as you don't have spousal status, there will always be some rights that you're deprived of, or instances where you are treated as second-class citizens," Hsu told AFP.

While supporters desperately hope the ruling goes in their favour, some also say there is still a long road ahead for complete acceptance, due to strong resistance from the conservative camp.

"I think the gay community might have an even harder time. There will be a lot of pushback," says law student David Chen, 27, who identifies himself as bisexual.

"They don't understand we are just like them. There's nothing different about us."

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According to taiwan news, the mood among activists and legislators aren't optimistic. Quite likely it will be special law pushed by the Supreme Court, and the road to equality is likely still quite a distance away. Conservative bask lashes at various counties are strong, many legislators are stuck in a dilemma and will likely void their votes for the marriage civil code amendment, resulting in a impasse stopping short of the second and third legislatue readings.

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Results of 14 Taiwan Supreme Court judges' ruling on whether the civil marriage code between one man and one woman is constitutional will be out at 4pm! The world is watching.

 

 

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Just now, Guest Asia Number ONE said:

Results of 14 Taiwan Supreme Court judges' ruling on whether the civil marriage code between one man and one woman is constitutional will be out at 4pm! The world is watching.

 

 

It is legally binding so gay marriage in Taiwan, first in Asia may become legal under civil or special laws this afternoon.

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Taiwan top court rules in favour of gay marriage

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TAIPEI: A top Taiwan court ruled in favour of gay marriage Wednesday (May 24), a landmark ruling that paves the way for the island to become the first place in Asia to legalise same sex unions.

The court said Taiwan's current Civil Code, which says an agreement to marry could only be made between a man and a woman, "violated" the constitution's guarantees of freedom of marriage and people's equality.

It gave Taiwan's government two years to implement the ruling.

Source: AFP/am

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If parliament or legislature doesn't complete the law amendment or enactment in 2 year's time, same sex couples in Taiwan can under a witness, use their respective ICs to register for marriage under the civil laws and be covered under all the accompanying spousal rights and entitlements guaranteed under the marriage civil codes between a man and a woman.

 

Woot! :clap:

 

You can watch the judges' rulings explanation here.

 

http://m.appledaily.com.tw/realtimenews/article/local/20170524/1125344

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Next will be China.  China has never been critical about LGBT and China will have my utmost respect if they allow same-sex marriage soonest possible. I foresse Japan and Korea and Thailand and non-muslim country in Asia will follow-suit soon after and than all the more reason for me to emigrate to those countries.

 

 

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Congratulating Taiwan is one thing, sigh at the Jakarta Gay Sauna Raid is another one. So contrast to read this two news back to back. Just wish more country legalized the gay marriage. 

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1 hour ago, Guest Yeaaa. said:

Next will be China.  China has never been critical about LGBT and China will have my utmost respect if they allow same-sex marriage soonest possible. I foresse Japan and Korea and Thailand and non-muslim country in Asia will follow-suit soon after and than all the more reason for me to emigrate to those countries.

 

 

 

I dun think China, Japan, Korea, or even Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam will legalise same sex marriage anytime soon.

Socially they seem quite tolerant of lgbts because they have a long history of homosexuality and are more or less untainted by the Abrahamic religions (except for South Korea of cos). They are also majority Buddhist and adopt a live and let live attitude. But no matter what, they are still socially conservative and/or are mostly authoritarian countries under one party rule which does not like to be challenged or seem too westernized.

 

Oh and this happened under President Tsai, China will never ever want to follow suit.

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26 minutes ago, Guest Peace said:

Congratulating Taiwan is one thing, sigh at the Jakarta Gay Sauna Raid is another one. So contrast to read this two news back to back. Just wish more country legalized the gay marriage. 

 

Congratulating Taiwan is the right thing to do today.  And recognizing that this is the result of strong activism by the Taiwan gay community and its supporters.

The principle for equality of homosexuals has just started in the world, and as time passes it will become more universal.

Now another Supreme Court has found that the rights of homosexuals is basic human right to equality.

And that "tradition" is nothing but an excuse by selfish individuals.

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This ruling will tear the Taiwanese society apart.

Based on voting, only about 50% of the Taiwanese are for it, the other equal percentage oppose it.

When there is no common consensus amongst members of society on a decision, this will result in both camps against each other on their beliefs.

Taiwan is not ready yet.  Perhaps they are more ready when about 70-80% of the residents are ok with it.

There will be more chaos in Taiwan after this ruling.

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9 minutes ago, Guest Tomato said:

This ruling will tear the Taiwanese society apart.

Based on voting, only about 50% of the Taiwanese are for it, the other equal percentage oppose it.

When there is no common consensus amongst members of society on a decision, this will result in both camps against each other on their beliefs.

Taiwan is not ready yet.  Perhaps they are more ready when about 70-80% of the residents are ok with it.

There will be more chaos in Taiwan after this ruling.

So what's new? Since the beginning of Taiwan, 50% claimed they are part of China and the other 50% say otherwise. 

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To be correct, and if my chinese is accurate in legal matters,........ what happen is judiciary review, whether rejection of gay marriage is unconstitutional.  The court ruled unconstitutional.

 

 

ALSO, on whether China will follow...... i can (in my political reading) say, YES.....You can see that, each time when Taiwan change some family law issue, china is always forced to make some changes (whatever their intention)...... just imagine, if two PRC men goes to Taiwan and registered for gay marriage, then go back to PRC..... can PRC rejected the marriage as valid?  The couple just need to come up with "isn't Taiwan part of china?" and the political game is going to be complex.

Yes, it helps as China is never critical against homosexuality, and the even have TV serial about that topic (just compare to singapore, and i cannot understand why we are reflecting the CONSERVATIVE nature of asian countries.

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3 minutes ago, Andrew ang525 said:

Yes, it helps as China is never critical against homosexuality, and the even have TV serial about that topic (just compare to singapore, and i cannot understand why we are reflecting the CONSERVATIVE nature of asian countries.

 

Because Singapore is never truly developed.  It is only developed economically.

Culturally, politically, socially, intellectually, Singapore is far from developed in these areas and still has some way to go.

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4 hours ago, Guest backwards said:

When is the rest of Asia?

 

It could be a good opportunity for Singapore.  Few Asian countries are so restrictive of gays in their books with such a vulnerable archaic law as 377A. 

It might be favorable that 377A was not repealed.  It gives a good target that shows the evil of the conservative Christian, and their hypocrisy so well displayed in the scandal of the City Harvest Church leaders.  And how about Singaporean Anabel Chong, author of the biggest heterosexual Gang Bang in history.  Is she less "abominable" than homosexuals because she is heterosexual?

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2 hours ago, Vometra said:

 

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Must be some old folks home. Ask the young Taiwanese who are going to inherit the future Taiwan. I'm sure easily more than 80%. I wouldn't be too bothered about the opinions of uneducated but stubborn old dying people who are selfish and fearful of things they do not understand.

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1 hour ago, Guest Tomato said:

 

Because Singapore is never truly developed.  It is only developed economically.

Culturally, politically, socially, intellectually, Singapore is far from developed in these areas and still has some way to go.

Singapore is an intellectual, cultural, social and political slum. Agreed!  Ask the average Tom Dick or Mary on the street here and they will be like "gay rights? Cute idea but not compatible with Singaporean culture".

 

P-a-r-o-c-h-i-a-l.......

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同性到底可不可以結婚?這個議題引發爭議多年,大法官今針對台北市政府、同志運動先驅祁家威聲請的同性婚姻釋憲案,作出釋字第748號解釋,並首度同步發出英文版釋憲文,宣告《民法》不允許同性結婚的規定違憲,主管機關應以法律保障同婚,等於宣告台灣成為亞洲第一個以法律保障同性婚姻的國家,但大法官並未指明應另立專法或修改《民法》保障同婚權益。 

 

 

Some explanation.  

Judiciary Review (you can google about that)

Remember we have a cleaner in Punggol-East who asked JR, that her rights (to have an MP representing her) is compromised.  She seek the court to explain/clarify if her rights is being compromised......

 

Likewise, there is JR about if a human rights to marriage (alas, there is Universal Human Right to family life, but not really so for marriage) 

Read Universal Declaration of Human Rights, particularly, the wording of Article 16.  It is always problematic to read Men and Women vs Man and Woman...... and you know what the conservatives would like to (mis)read the plurals as singulars.

Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Guest Tomato said:

This ruling will tear the Taiwanese society apart.

Based on voting, only about 50% of the Taiwanese are for it, the other equal percentage oppose it.

When there is no common consensus amongst members of society on a decision, this will result in both camps against each other on their beliefs.

Taiwan is not ready yet.  Perhaps they are more ready when about 70-80% of the residents are ok with it.

There will be more chaos in Taiwan after this ruling.

 

Tmr the sun will rise and set. We will still have to work. The stock market will not crash. 

 

How will this tear a society apart? This is equality given to a neglected minority. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Guest Tomato said:

 

Because Singapore is never truly developed.  It is only developed economically.

Culturally, politically, socially, intellectually, Singapore is far from developed in these areas and still has some way to go.

Somehow I feel true.

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4 hours ago, Guest Tomato said:

This ruling will tear the Taiwanese society apart.

Based on voting, only about 50% of the Taiwanese are for it, the other equal percentage oppose it.

When there is no common consensus amongst members of society on a decision, this will result in both camps against each other on their beliefs.

Taiwan is not ready yet.  Perhaps they are more ready when about 70-80% of the residents are ok with it.

There will be more chaos in Taiwan after this ruling.

We do not need 70-80% of people to approve the stopping of bullying of minorities and to get them their equal rights. Laws should change immediately the moment any laws base on justice and equality is in the correct direction. The longer this inhuman laws stays the longer its minority citizens is going to suffer.

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