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From https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/oh-fun-iceland-proposing-ban-male-circumcision/"

 

"Iceland is considering a law that would outlaw male circumcision in children. If passed, it would be the first European country to do so. The penalty for circumcising a child against the new law is six years in jail. (h/t The Guardian)

Aside from being utterly peculiar, the law is facing a good deal of controversy, as you might have imagined. Religious leaders, particularly in the Jewish and Muslim communities, say the law is a restriction on religious freedom. In the United States, circumcision is a popular practice across all ethnicities and religions, mostly for health reasons. The World Health Organization estimates that one in three men globally are circumcised.

The bill apparently has strong public support. Advocates for the ban say circumcision violates the rights and “bodily integrity” of children. The bill says people can choose to be circumcised for religious or cultural or health reasons once they are old enough to “understand what is involved in such an action.” The bill indicates no age of consent (It should be said, too, that the bill does allow for health-reasoned circumcisions if deemed necessary for the child’s physical well-being.)."

 

A first European country is progressive enough to attempt to put limits to this child mutilation custom. 

It is interesting that doctors FAVOR this restriction on circumcision, instead of defending circumcision.  This should be an indication that the procedure is NOT seen as favorable to a person's health but it is dictated by the religious establishment. Isn't this funny?  If God wanted boys to be cut... wouldn't he have made us without foreskin?

 

One cannot reason with religion.  Otherwise, religions would recognize that if God would be so freaked out by homosexuality he would not have created us with homosexual inclinations... Ah, but "homosexuality is not inborn, it is voluntary"!   Here religious people completely abandon every bit of reason, because it is inexplicable that anyone would choose to be gay given the way they bash gay people... simply for being gay.

 

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Cut kkj quite handsome looking but it must be big around 15cm to achieve the sexual appeal. I heard their stamina is very long in bed before they cum. Maybe that's why Japanese men can do very long in the porn

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7 hours ago, Guest :-( said:

Cut kkj quite handsome looking but it must be big around 15cm to achieve the sexual appeal. I heard their stamina is very long in bed before they cum. Maybe that's why Japanese men can do very long in the porn

Japanese men cut meh?

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9 hours ago, Guest :-( said:

Maybe that's why Japanese men can do very long in the porn

 

Having lived in Japan I can tell you that hardly any Japanese guys are cut. But many like to parade around with their foreskins pulled back which makes it look as though they have been cut. 

 

As for their performing for a long time in porn, remember that most porn movies are shot over several days. So a 30 minute f**k scene is probably several 10 minute 'tales' pasted together to create the fantasy.

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9 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

If God wanted boys to be cut... wouldn't he have made us without foreskin?

 

Not necessarily. Follow that argument through and you can ask why God gave us tonsils and an appendix, both of which are totally unnecessary and usually end up being taken out, as are a few other anatomical parts. I do agree with the view, though, that an uncircumcised organ looks more aesthetically beautiful that a cut one.

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3 hours ago, Guest InBangkok said:

 

Not necessarily. Follow that argument through and you can ask why God gave us tonsils and an appendix, both of which are totally unnecessary and usually end up being taken out, as are a few other anatomical parts. I do agree with the view, though, that an uncircumcised organ looks more aesthetically beautiful that a cut one.

Appendix isn't useless. It harbors good bacteria. You should look it up. 

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3 hours ago, Guest Huh said:

Appendix isn't useless. It harbors good bacteria. You should look it up. 

Fair point. But why were 378.000 appendectomies performed in the USA alone in 2015? Many millions are performed annually worldwide. Do these people all  then lose the good bacteria? Not likely! Other parts of the intestinal tract also harbour good and essential bacteria

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33 minutes ago, Guest Doctor said:

Tonsils are not useless either.

 

I accept that tonsils play a part in the immune system. On the other hand, many millions annually have them removed usually as children. Has anyone ever died as a result of not having tonsils? I believe the answer is no. I had mine out aged 10. What therefore is their use? I am merely curious.

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13 hours ago, cutejack said:

Japanese men cut meh?

 

Some news on internet mentioned Japanese ladies prefer their men cut because of hygiene reasons. So they're highly encouraged to go for circumcision. Koreans are mostly cut too

 

10 hours ago, Guest InBangkok said:

 

Having lived in Japan I can tell you that hardly any Japanese guys are cut. But many like to parade around with their foreskins pulled back which makes it look as though they have been cut. 

 

As for their performing for a long time in porn, remember that most porn movies are shot over several days. So a 30 minute f**k scene is probably several 10 minute 'tales' pasted together to create the fantasy.

 

Seriously Japanese not cut? Then the news must be fake. I went onsen and saw they're cut and uncut ones. How to tell their foreskin are pulled back? So natural looking

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1 hour ago, Guest :-( said:

 

Some news on internet mentioned Japanese ladies prefer their men cut because of hygiene reasons. So they're highly encouraged to go for circumcision. Koreans are mostly cut too

 

 

Seriously Japanese not cut? Then the news must be fake. I went onsen and saw they're cut and uncut ones. How to tell their foreskin are pulled back? So natural looking

U gotta touch n see la

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12 hours ago, Guest InBangkok said:

 

Not necessarily. Follow that argument through and you can ask why God gave us tonsils and an appendix, both of which are totally unnecessary and usually end up being taken out, as are a few other anatomical parts. I do agree with the view, though, that an uncircumcised organ looks more aesthetically beautiful that a cut one.

 

Good point, if we could be sure that tonsils and appendix are  superfluous or even harmful.  This is however in dispute.

 

No dogma claims that tonsils and appendix should be removed for religious reasons  (maybe in the days most religions were invented it would have been too dangerous to remove an appendix or even the tonsils, so the professionals of religion would not dare to hurt people so much)

 

By being selective about which body parts a God would like to see removed, religions confirm the falsity of their claims and the deception in some frightening religious rites they justify because "God wants this to be done".  And this is only the beginning of their deception in saying that "God wants this-or-that".  They probably don't know one bit more than the cockroaches about what a God wants or wants not.

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2 hours ago, Guest :-( said:

Seriously Japanese not cut? Then the news must be fake. I went onsen and saw they're cut and uncut ones. How to tell their foreskin are pulled back? So natural looking

 

Yes, seriously they are not cut. You may occasionally find a Japanese who is cut but they are very few. It is not part of Japanese culture. Far more Koreans are cut, though. That's a result of the influence of American doctors after the Korean War. So lots of older Koreans are cut. But increasingly parents are deciding not to have their boys circumcised - so quite a lot of younger guys are uncut.

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7 hours ago, Russ said:

Suspect North Koreans mostly natural.

 

Are you planning a trip to find out? If so do let us know :o:o

 

Seriously, i am sure you are correct in your assumption. North Koreans will be almost exclusively natural.

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There is a practical aspect to circumcision from the historical/religious view. Keep in mind, it happened when Moses and the Israelites  were wandering in the desert. Sand get caught under the foreskin etc. Any one who has had sex on the beach can attest that it is not the most comfortable experience. They don't bath/shower as much. So, circumcision was a practical way to maintain hygiene. 

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50 minutes ago, doncoin said:

Keep in mind, it happened when Moses and the Israelites  were wandering in the desert. Sand get caught under the foreskin etc. Any one who has had sex on the beach can attest that it is not the most comfortable experience. They don't bath/shower as much. So, circumcision was a practical way to maintain hygiene. 

 

That's a very interesting thesis and entirely plausible. But if the Jews came up with this idea, wouldn't other tribes - or at least some of them - see the bodies of dead Jews and say "Hello! What's this? Maybe that's a good idea?"

 

But doesn't the Bible talk to Abraham about circumcision being a Covenant with God? That hardly suggests God was too concerned about sand getting under the skin.

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12 hours ago, Guest InBangkok said:

 

Are you planning a trip to find out? If so do let us know :o:o

 

Seriously, i am sure you are correct in your assumption. North Koreans will be almost exclusively natural.

better not. might come back with brain damage like that poor US student....

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instead of guessing or assuming:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision

 

so it seems to have been derived from the Egyptians or the African...

Most interesting to me is that the Muslims followed the Jewish in this tradition... [similar to the pork issue...]

 

I liked that citation about reducing "pleasure"...

 

 

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9 hours ago, doncoin said:

There is a practical aspect to circumcision from the historical/religious view. Keep in mind, it happened when Moses and the Israelites  were wandering in the desert. Sand get caught under the foreskin etc. Any one who has had sex on the beach can attest that it is not the most comfortable experience. They don't bath/shower as much. So, circumcision was a practical way to maintain hygiene. 

 

Too bad that we cannot ask anyone of that era to find out if your speculation is correct.

Remember that there is also FEMALE circumcision, and there is no foreskin to trap sand there.

I suspect that the origin of circumcision is much more sinister...

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8 hours ago, Guest not hiding said:

instead of guessing or assuming:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_male_circumcision

 

 

How does the article get rid of guessing or assuming? 

The article seems very honest in its statement about "Origins": 

"The origin of male circumcision is not known with certainty. It has been variously proposed that it began as... blah blah blah"

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9 hours ago, Guest InBangkok said:

 

That's a very interesting thesis and entirely plausible. But if the Jews came up with this idea, wouldn't other tribes - or at least some of them - see the bodies of dead Jews and say "Hello! What's this? Maybe that's a good idea?"

 

But doesn't the Bible talk to Abraham about circumcision being a Covenant with God? That hardly suggests God was too concerned about sand getting under the skin.

I second this. It was for the covenant purpose passed through generations. The covenant says something about making Abraham’s descendants into multiple nations and kings.

 

i guess it is a physical remembrance everytime the Israelites had sex they would see their “cut” penis and remembered that his seeds would become a great nation or a king... if they uphold the covenant on their end.

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1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

How does the article get rid of guessing or assuming? 

The article seems very honest in its statement about "Origins": 

"The origin of male circumcision is not known with certainty. It has been variously proposed that it began as... blah blah blah"

Yup, you're right. but someone came up with the effort to dig out the early origins. there is a quite similar article from some circumcision research team....

Still better than this Abraham and Moses speculation which you see in other posts ... 

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actually the question is whether we support the initiative by Iceland to let adult male decide if to circumcise or not. I mean the thing is that parents in observance of religion impose on their kids... The kids can't decide themselves.... 

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26 minutes ago, Guest Not hiding said:

actually the question is whether we support the initiative by Iceland to let adult male decide if to circumcise or not. I mean the thing is that parents in observance of religion impose on their kids... The kids can't decide themselves.... 

 

You open a very relevant issue.  Should parents impose their religious beliefs on their children, brain-washing them at the earliest in life when they are the most vulnerable...  or should children learn about religions in general and then make their own decisions about what to believe when they are a little more mature?

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12 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You open a very relevant issue.  Should parents impose their religious beliefs on their children, brain-washing them at the earliest in life when they are the most vulnerable...  or should children learn about religions in general and then make their own decisions about what to believe when they are a little more mature?

 

A friend of mine who is Christian, and her husband opted to raise their children in the Christian faith. That means going to church on Sundays etc. However, they also bring their kids of visit the mosque, Hindu and Jewish temples etc. and expose them to other mainstream religions. I think their point is show their kids that there are multiple religions out there, and that they should appreciate the difference. 

 

Circumcision has certain benefits but it also has certain side effects. Yes, ideally it should be the decision of the man to make since it is his body. However, I do think it is better to have it done as a baby than as an adult.

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14 hours ago, Lemonjuice said:

I second this. It was for the covenant purpose passed through generations. The covenant says something about making Abraham’s descendants into multiple nations and kings.

 

i guess it is a physical remembrance everytime the Israelites had sex they would see their “cut” penis and remembered that his seeds would become a great nation or a king... if they uphold the covenant on their end.

 

Makes sense.  The Israelites were no less naive in their days to believe that a God, THEIR god, had planned to make them a superior race governed by a great King.  Now... WHY this had to be conveyed to them through cut penises is a mythological mystery.  They didn't know how many millions of poor Jews would be slaughtered by Hitler's Nazis, and today their King is a corrupt politician (Netanyahu) who hopefully will be thrown out soon before he escalates another war with the Arabs. 

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15 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Makes sense.  The Israelites were no less naive in their days to believe that a God, THEIR god, had planned to make them a superior race governed by a great King.  Now... WHY this had to be conveyed to them through cut penises is a mythological mystery.  They didn't know how many millions of poor Jews would be slaughtered by Hitler's Nazis, and today their King is a corrupt politician (Netanyahu) who hopefully will be thrown out soon before he escalates another war with the Arabs. 

Look it's a sacrifice towards religion to display the strong belief, same as fasting in some religions or thaipusam. By the way Hitler's action might have been an extreme peak however; antisemitism has had long roots in Europe; France , Italy and other European countries are not that innocent in regards to antisemitism. Israel nowadays can only survive due to the protective hand from the US. I personally boycott any products, services etc from Israel. Not that I m Muslim but because I can't support a country which people had been beaten up so strongly but still displays an ignorance and violence against the Palestineans.

 

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37 minutes ago, doncoin said:

 

A friend of mine who is Christian, and her husband opted to raise their children in the Christian faith. That means going to church on Sundays etc. However, they also bring their kids of visit the mosque, Hindu and Jewish temples etc. and expose them to other mainstream religions. I think their point is show their kids that there are multiple religions out there, and that they should appreciate the difference. 

 

Circumcision has certain benefits but it also has certain side effects. Yes, ideally it should be the decision of the man to make since it is his body. However, I do think it is better to have it done as a baby than as an adult.

 

Your friend is Christian, raising their children as Christians in their environment.  Even if they learn about other religions, there is still brain washing.  I was raised a Catholic, went to Catholic schools for 8 years, and learned about other religions...  that they are all false and that Protestants, especially the Freemasons, would all go to hell, haha!

 

But there are other cases.  A friend of mine and his wife, both doctors, had a male child. He is not religious, not circumcised, and wanted his child to be the same. But his wife, a domineering shrew, insisted that the baby be circumcised FOR HEALTH REASONS  (imagine... doctors get also brain washed...).  And now the poor kid is cut for life.  He will never know the feelings he misses now. 

 

It is easy to circumcise a baby.  They don't resist, and if it gives them much pain... they are just babies. And they won't get sand under the foreskin and will be more protected against STDs?  But... babies and small children are not exposed to STDs, unless they have pedophiles in the family.  So why not wait until they are older? Maybe they won't have problems retracting their foreskin, and they may like to keep it intact.  And if not,  if they want to be circumcised as adults, why should it be worse then than as infants?

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55 minutes ago, Guest not hiding said:

Look it's a sacrifice towards religion to display the strong belief, same as fasting in some religions or thaipusam. By the way Hitler's action might have been an extreme peak however; antisemitism has had long roots in Europe; France , Italy and other European countries are not that innocent in regards to antisemitism. Israel nowadays can only survive due to the protective hand from the US. I personally boycott any products, services etc from Israel. Not that I m Muslim but because I can't support a country which people had been beaten up so strongly but still displays an ignorance and violence against the Palestineans.

 

 

I feel the same way about the Israel-Palestinian issue.  Some nations through the UN made up for the tragedy of the Jews by giving them a territory in Palestine where they could build a nation where their ethnic group lived in ancient times.  This seems fine and good and I have no problems with that  (except that the nations gave the Jews land that was not theirs to begin with).  The Israelis since then have waged wars of expansion justified by biblical reasons, which is nonsense.  They are now colonizing invaded land against international laws.  They keep their heavy foot on the head of the Palestinians, supported by a superpower they have infiltrated in sneaky ways.  They refuse to make any peace that would force them to return the ill-acquired lands.  They take advantage of their higher education they acquired in European lands that are not traditionally Jewish.  Their technology, culture, art is not originally Jewish. I have nothing against Jews, the ones I know are excellent people,  but I also know some Palestinians and among them are also good people well educated, not terrorist suicide bombers.  

 

Israelis have taken the attitude of perennial victims (victims of us the rest of humanity, the "gentiles"), but as eternal victims they seem to have no problem victimizing the Palestinians. this hypocrisy, falsity full of interests, puts them on the negative side in my judgment, and I cannot wait for the day the US cuts the string Israel has tied around its balls to make the US do what they want. 

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its just loose skin yall. yall dont have to get so riled up over the matter. cut or uncut both has pros and cons. undoubtedly some have more pros than cons and vice versa. however there is one reason as to why guys usually look into and consider circumcision 

 here watch it its the singaporean view

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3 hours ago, gayboy2000 said:

its just loose skin yall. yall dont have to get so riled up over the matter. cut or uncut both has pros and cons. undoubtedly some have more pros than cons and vice versa. however there is one reason as to why guys usually look into and consider circumcision 

 here watch it its the singaporean view

 

If for you its just loose skin yall, you don't have to feel obliged to comment here.  Find something that interests you more.

I hope your video is not "the singaporean view", because it is quite dumb.

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12 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I feel the same way about the Israel-Palestinian issue.  Some nations through the UN made up for the tragedy of the Jews by giving them a territory in Palestine where they could build a nation where their ethnic group lived in ancient times.  This seems fine and good and I have no problems with that  (except that the nations gave the Jews land that was not theirs to begin with).  The Israelis since then have waged wars of expansion justified by biblical reasons, which is nonsense.  They are now colonizing invaded land against international laws.  They keep their heavy foot on the head of the Palestinians, supported by a superpower they have infiltrated in sneaky ways.  They refuse to make any peace that would force them to return the ill-acquired lands.  They take advantage of their higher education they acquired in European lands that are not traditionally Jewish.  Their technology, culture, art is not originally Jewish. I have nothing against Jews, the ones I know are excellent people,  but I also know some Palestinians and among them are also good people well educated, not terrorist suicide bombers.  

 

Israelis have taken the attitude of perennial victims (victims of us the rest of humanity, the "gentiles"), but as eternal victims they seem to have no problem victimizing the Palestinians. this hypocrisy, falsity full of interests, puts them on the negative side in my judgment, and I cannot wait for the day the US cuts the string Israel has tied around its balls to make the US do what they want. 

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nah. another Bill Clinton would do but to force them to enter into a peace treaty with Palestine. I m not antisemite but what they are doing around Jerusalem is nasty. Just wonder where Donald Dumb got this idea with the wall from... hm

How long should we watch this bullsit and bloodshed?

But to my Arab people: stop sending the rockets into Israel because you only prolong the occupation of Palestine. Don't give them reason to justify their hypocrite policy....

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why not just call it a natural penis, rather than mom circumcise or uncut?

if we need to be cut in order to be hygienic, we would have been extinct long ago. 

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1 hour ago, Guest natural or uncut? said:

why not just call it a natural penis, rather than mom circumcise or uncut?

if we need to be cut in order to be hygienic, we would have been extinct long ago. 

sure, but only not extinct because so many parents didn't allow their boys to play naked in the sand.........

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On 06/03/2018 at 7:51 AM, gayboy2000 said:

its just loose skin yall. yall dont have to get so riled up over the matter. cut or uncut both has pros and cons. undoubtedly some have more pros than cons and vice versa. however there is one reason as to why guys usually look into and consider circumcision 

 here watch it its the singaporean view

 

would gladly blow John’s cut dick :D

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