"Please Keep Penal Code 377A in Singapore"

[Vometra]

https://www.change.org/p/singaporeans-please-keep-penal-code-377a-in-singapore

 

 

"There has been a renewed call by prominent figures recently to challenge and repeal the penal code section 377A in the light of the recent India's Supreme Court's decision on the same issue.

As a conservative society which values traditional family values, we like to reiterate our desire to keep the penal code to convey to our future generations that marriage act should only be an acceptable norm between a man and a woman.

By repealing the section 377A penal code, it would begin to normalize homosexual behaviours as a societal norm and lead to greater push for other LGBT rights in our conservative society as we have seen played out in other western societies today. We do not think the vocal minority should impose their values and practice on the silent majority who are still largely conservative.  

Hence, if you among the silent majority, please sign this petition to support and reiterate our position to the Singapore government that we wants the Penal Code 377A to stay.  Thank you for taking time to read this."

[Guest ???]

Are you posting in the right forum ???

[Guest Gay]

Yes please retain section 377a for love of our multi-racial community and social fabric like family and relatives .. 

[Kkklaus]

"Base on justice and equality, so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and progress for our nation."

Equality: Every man has the right to love

Happiness: A country's top priority to all citizens (especially minority that are always neglected)

Progress: I think it is time Singapore break it's traditions and progress forward to freedom to love. 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Kkklaus

[Fit4Masc]

Those homophobes (mainly Christians) always use family value (plus all sorts of disguise, scare tactic and fear mongering e.g. human extinction, more people will turn gays etc etc) to deprive gays off their basic liberty, because they know claiming its against their religion is not going to cut it these days.  Scaring people into thinking (which they are historically very good at) as if all families will be in some sort of danger and turn gay, once homosexuality is decriminalised.  But the truth is society and family values won't be any different, heterosexuals will still remain hetersexuals and gays will still be gays, the sun will still rise the next day.  Just look at all those countries that have decriminalise homosexuality more than 20 years ago.  There is not a shred of evidence that it damaged anything and anyone with a pair of eyes and a brain can see and realised that, except there are  a lot more happier people and more Bi-Sexual people actually starting to come out, because the stigma of same sex attraction is gradually eroded.  The only difference is society become wiser, prejudices are frowned upon (which the homophobes hate)  But of course homophobes will use whatever scare tactics and fear mongering to retain their ability to hold prejudices and remain homophobic.  In countries like Australia and America, nothing have changed, except those religious sorts continues to seek to change laws to allow them to continues to hold prejudice and discriminate...Using the religious freedom act, portraying that their religion is under some sort of attack. Purely because, people will tell them off when they come up with more ludicrous excuses to target gays. 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Fit4Masc

[XxXx0987]

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

[aedile1234]

5 minutes ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

 

thats some weird ass shit internalized homophobia

[Fit4Masc]

1 hour ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

Are you damaged person? is there something majorly wrong with you?? are you locked in prison? in a mental institution?  you still able to study, work, make a living, get online and complaint, thats good.  Some kids brought up with one man and one woman are worst off than you...just go to our prison and see for yourself!  Actually traditionally, alot of Chinese people were raised without a complete set of parents....but they turned out alright.  In the old days where there were no contraceptives. Girls were usually given away for adoption , raised by aunties, grandparents or relatives. Even these days in a lot of countries.  Kids are mostly raised by grandparents and other relatives, even maids lord forbid, as both parents need to work.  Oh yes, think about the Children is another scare tactic.  Those who claim a child must have a father and a mother,  never ever speak to or know of any Adults that have been brought up by families other than a men and a women...but yet they seems to know it all, strange..

Edited September 9, 2018 by Fit4Masc

[Fit4Masc]

8 minutes ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

No not internalised... They are just moles planted here by homophobic groups

[Guest 姑奶奶的]

Those CUM STAINS, moaning ghosts/dinosaurs/fossils/skeletons/relics of colonial times should be banished and LOCKED UP in the museum, keys thrown away. 

 

整天念念念，就不过是一堆思想落后，七嘴八舌，啰哩啰嗦的老auntie.

烦死了！！！！！！！！！

[Guest Plato]

12 minutes ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

Self censorship!? Look what hegemony, propaganda and “manufacturing consent” by the powers that be have done to you!

Cease and desist, plebeian. 

 

Go stand at the naughty corner and reflect on yourself, don’t talk to us.

[Vometra]

http://ricemedia.co/current-affairs-features-brilliant-marketing-truelove-homophobia-rebranded-chance-acceptance/

 

The guy responsible for truelove.is, Jason Wong, is also responsible for

- Focus on the Family (https://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/proud-to-be-a-family-man)

- Yellow Ribbon Project

- Dads for Life

- Honor Singapore ( http://www.sgpolitics.net/?p=8887 , https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/2014/08/25/honour-in-singapore-about-executive-director-jason-wong/)

 

See how sly and devious they are, always disguising their true religious agenda under socially acceptable causes ...

Edited September 9, 2018 by Vometra

[Guest Fyi]

Singapore should fucking remove 377a. This is 2018 not 99. Singapore within a modern country should also have the mindset of having equality around. Fyi, there are also gay foreigners living and working in sg 

[Guest You are a whore]

1 hour ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

Wah... model singapore citizen, so obedient. Come, i clap for you.

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

 

Since a kid like you can actually be raised without a complete set of parents, sex between straight couples should also be banned in the first place. 

[Guest kimchi rice balls sushi]

10 hours ago, Vometra said:

https://www.change.org/p/singaporeans-please-keep-penal-code-377a-in-singapore

 

 

"There has been a renewed call by prominent figures recently to challenge and repeal the penal code section 377A in the light of the recent India's Supreme Court's decision on the same issue.

As a conservative society which values traditional family values, we like to reiterate our desire to keep the penal code to convey to our future generations that marriage act should only be an acceptable norm between a man and a woman.

By repealing the section 377A penal code, it would begin to normalize homosexual behaviours as a societal norm and lead to greater push for other LGBT rights in our conservative society as we have seen played out in other western societies today. We do not think the vocal minority should impose their values and practice on the silent majority who are still largely conservative.  

Hence, if you among the silent majority, please sign this petition to support and reiterate our position to the Singapore government that we wants the Penal Code 377A to stay.  Thank you for taking time to read this."

 

All humans at the development stage in the womb started undifferentiated as all female, we all started off as female form. its a scientific fact.

 

Embrace the female energy in you. its there all right. 

 

Even for the macho est guy.

we can all tap in to the female yin element.

[jlone]

2 hours ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

How come there are so many gay hypocrites in this forum?

Hypocrites among the great hypocrites!

[XxXx0987]

12 minutes ago, jlone said:

How come there are so many gay hypocrites in this forum?

Hypocrites among the great hypocrites!

 

we all are hypocrites. 

 

we even express disgust for pple who have the same tendencies as ourselves. 

 

already, there’s so much hate speech going on here. lol 

 

how is that different from heterosexuals who express hate speech? 

 

anyway, majority or minority, its also not an excuse to spread even more hatred. 

[Guest ???]

Its not as if people have been actively charged for having gay sex.

So repeal for what?

[Fit4Masc]

1 hour ago, XxXx0987 said:

 

we all are hypocrites. 

 

we even express disgust for pple who have the same tendencies as ourselves. 

 

already, there’s so much hate speech going on here. lol 

 

how is that different from heterosexuals who express hate speech? 

 

anyway, majority or minority, its also not an excuse to spread even more hatred. 

Quote "we all are hypocrites"

LOL speak for yourself.  The truth is, many are not and dislike people with such a characteristic, just like those religious types, claim god love etc etc and go spread hate towards gays.

 

Quote "we even express disgust for pple who have the same tendencies as ourselves". 

Not many do actually. Those who does are suffering from deep seated self loathing, people with such infliction need psychological help. they often becomes homophobe themselves, because their pent up hate eventually cannot be contain within and burst out towards others...many such example amongst those American Pastors and politicians.  Some campaign against gay rights but later found sniff coke off some male prostitute's butt

 

Quote" how is that different from heterosexuals who express hate speech?"

Some but not all Heterosexuals express hate towards Gays and not other Heterosexuals, hence its not the same as self loathing.

 

Quote " anyway, majority or minority, its also not an excuse to spread even more hatred" 

True,  Hence we need to educate the homophobic Heterosexuals and call them out whenever they are spreading hate towards gays...not support their hate.  We don't hate straights, they are our family and friends, but we dislike those hypocrites that spread hate. e.g. Adultery is also a Sin and much more damaging to family values, but it's not against the law in Singapore...why don't these hypocrites go lobby and campaign the government to outlaw Adultery???? why bully gays? because those married men who are caught fucking young prostitutes and keep mistresses are heterosexuals?

 

 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Fit4Masc

[Fit4Masc]

28 minutes ago, Guest ??? said:

Its not as if people have been actively charged for having gay sex.

So repeal for what?

You very simple wan and only think about sex...Its not just about sex. its about alot of other things ...like NS, gays are discriminated classed as 302, only allowed certain vocations e.g. storeman and clerks,  HDB heterosexuals couple under 35 can apply for HDB BTO, but gay couple cannot.  Our media also actively discriminate against gays, any tv shows that show gays in good light is chopped.  which help maintaining the bad religious propagated image. Gay groups that do free social support for gays are not "Recognised" by our authority as charity groups, hence get no subsides and support from the authority.  These are only a few examples of discrimination towards gays in Singapore. Once 377A is repealed, such official discrimination will be challengeable.  But of course religious group are free to maintain their false and discriminatory teachings.

 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Fit4Masc

[Guest ???]

 

11 minutes ago, Fit4Masc said:

You very simple wan and only think about sex...Its not just about sex. its about alot of other things ...like NS, gays are discriminated classed as 302, only allowed certain vocations,  HDB heterosexuals couple under 35 can apply for HDB BTO, but gay couple cannot.  Our media also actively discriminate against gays, any tv shows that show gays in good light is chopped.  which help maintaining the bad religious propagated image. Gay groups that do free social support for gays are not "Recognised" by our authority as a charity groups, hence get no subsides and support from the authority.  These are only a few examples of discrimination towards gays in Singapore. Once 377A is repealed, such official discrimination will be challengeable.  But of course religious group are free to maintain their false and discriminatory teachings.

 

 

Lol and I'm the simple one.

Maybe instead of spending your time here furiously fingering your keyboard, you could spend more time thinking further into what would happen rather than what benefits you.

 

 

We can also spend all day debating but its not gonna change the fact that it will not be repealed anytime soon whether you like it or not lol.

[Fit4Masc]

11 minutes ago, Guest ??? said:

 

 

Lol and I'm the simple one.

Maybe instead of spending your time here furiously fingering your keyboard, you could spend more time thinking further into what would happen rather than what benefits you.

 

 

We can also spend all day debating but its not gonna change the fact that it will not be repealed anytime soon whether you like it or not lol.

So I pointed out things you never think of to educate you, you no happy?... My time not wasted here, I rather educate oblivious sort like you so as to make my contribution in a small way...than watch tv. People need to know things before they have any things to discuss and exchange ideas...if not what is there to exchange, which is what this forum is for.  You donno, others tell you... if you insist on not knowing, why come to this forum? unless its only for trolling

Edited September 9, 2018 by Fit4Masc

[EasleyLim]

4 hours ago, aedile1234 said:

4 hours ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

 

thats some weird ass shit internalized homophobia

 

More than that, it betrays the fundamental lack of understanding on the cause and effects of things.

 

Banning 377A will not decrease divorce rates. Being lgbt will not make single-parent families become whole again. There is *no* link between these two things and the religious folks has convinced like people the guy you have quoted otherwise.

Edited September 9, 2018 by EasleyLim

[Guest Hmm]

3 hours ago, XxXx0987 said:

actually there are many from the LGBT community using scare tactics too if u observe objectively esp in countries that have normalised the LGBT culture. 

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

 

You are probably thinking about the bakery incidents in the United States.  I do agree that fighting fire with fire isn't always the best option. For any true progress to be made it is important that both sides genuinely reach out to each other (hear/listen each other out), so that constructive exchange/debate can take place, and a better understanding and perhaps a common ground could be reached. The current armosphere in liberal countries like the United States is pretty charged (especially emotionally). We need more rational, critical thinking and stronger arguments/debates, instead of more destructive noise/screaming.

 

While I am not condoning the political extremism (which both sides are guilty of btw) seen in the US, there are reasons why emotions are high. Have you thought about them? Again, not condoning intolerance/extremism, but have you any idea where they are coming from? 

 

Besides, 377A and the issue of religious freedom are different. I could always find another bakery (though whether I should have to is another debate), but with 377A, I would have to move to another country to be able to live freely. Ask yourself whether my right to swing my arms ends where your nose begins.

 

Regarding your 2nd point, I would be interested to hear your elaboration/explanarion. Do you think there's something wrong/bad with same-sex parenting? What about same-sex parenting makes it has to you?

[auscent]

Yes we should retain the draconian law because of our conservative society. In fact revive: corporal punishment in school like in 80s, favouring sons over daughters, forcing arranged marriage on kids.

Society has moved on. You have benefitted from a more liberal society. Do ur part for the future generations. No body is harmed if we remove 377A.

[MenBtySpa]

BullShit to those who agreed with this topic

 

It's Time to Repeal 377A

 

Everybody has the right to LOVE someone they LOVED

 

Be Truthful to Yourself

 

Have your own Destiny in your HANDs  

[Guest Aiyoh]

Please lah, wake up lah. Majority still conservative. See news below. Acceptance from the conservatives takes time . Acceptance cannot be achieved through screams, shouts and rants. The louder LGBT are, the greater the push back from the conservatives. If we are aggressive in the push to repeal 377A, same will go for the other side of the fence. Let's us be gracious and accept status quo for now. At least LGBT are not persecuted unlike in the 80's or 90's. I would say society is getting more receptive of LGBT.  I would say bide our time and general acceptance will come in due course. Peace !

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/55-per-cent-of-singaporeans-support-section-377a-ipsos-survey

[Guest DWBH]

Be brave and take a stand for your rights. No need to feel intimidated or self-defeated just because the majority do not think your rights are not worth defending. Be thankful that there are others who do and are standing up for you.

[Guest Guest]

Guys. Guys. 

Not everyone will be on the same page regarding 377A - not even within the LGBTQ community. And that's perfectly fine - we all have different experiences and stories which leads us to different opinions. The great thing is that opinions are meant to be shared and discussed so that we can learn something which we didn't know. It feels like most of us have an share opinions to find areas of disagreement and spend a great deal of time flaming people we don't agree with. That's not going to help us in understanding one another and if we can't do that, its tough to help the heterosexual community to understand us.

 

Back to 377A, I think we can ALL agree that its really a matter of fundamental and unalienable rights which all humans should enjoy. This is of course, the ideal scenario (assuming that the question whether or not to repeal 377A is strictly a moral issue). I believe a lot of people who support repealing 377A is making their decision based on this premise.

But unlike water prices, electricity prices, GST etc. (of which any changes in their values can be measured and predictions can be made) are objective compared to 377A. Honestly no one can say for sure what will happen if 377A is repealed this year. For the most part from a policymakers' perspective, the potential troubles that comes with repealing 377A is probably not worth it for them, hence kicking the can down the road.

What's important for the gahmen is not to do the right thing, but instead to do it right - I think they are considering the wider ramifications if it is repealed (effect on sex education policy, Christian backlash - there are some groups which are quite influential). When it comes to politics and governance, its never as cut and dry as we tend to believe..

[sir_GM]

Reminder that this stupid petition allows international participation. So don't look at the numbers and be discouraged 

[sir_GM]

A true petition from locals to our local govt involves only Sg people and Prs

[auscent]

44 minutes ago, Guest Aiyoh said:

Majority still conservative. See news below. Acceptance from the conservatives takes time ...

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/55-per-cent-of-singaporeans-support-section-377a-ipsos-survey

 

Majority maybe conservative but this nation was built on educating to be progressive. Otherwise we would still be living in kampongs not following HDB public housing programme. 

 

Repealing is not abt accepting crime. Its abt respecting others. Its not abt tolerance but acceptance.

 

55 percent huh...World Press Freedom index ranks us at 151, below South Sudan. That says something about its objectivity.

 

[Guest Aiyoh]

9 minutes ago, auscent said:

 

Majority maybe conservative but this nation was built on educating to be progressive. Otherwise we would still be living in kampongs not following HDB public housing programme. 

 

Repealing is not abt accepting crime. Its abt respecting others. Its not abt tolerance but acceptance.

 

55 percent huh...World Press Freedom index ranks us at 151, below South Sudan. That says something about its objectivity.

 

 

We are already progressing. If you are AJs / PLUs in the 80's / 90's, you should have felt the change in climate now. The repeal of 377a is just ceremonial. I don't see the government enforcing 377A, not at least within the last 10 years. We have to accept that majority of the society is still not quite yet ready to embrace LGBT.

 

It takes time for society to accept and respect LGBT. We are getting there and let's just bide for our for the moment to come. Respect and acceptance won't be achieved just by screaming, shouting, ranting just to insist our point of view.

 

[doncoin]

I supposed now India is a "western" society according to the petition's chain of logic. 

 

Singapore has progressed tremendously with its gay rights. However, keep in mind all these rights take time. It took the US decades before marriage equality became federal law. 

 

[Steve5380]

On 9/9/2018 at 4:38 AM, XxXx0987 said:

 

Having been raised without a complete set of parents, i think 377A shld be kept. 

 

I don't see the correlation.  

My father died when I was a baby.  I am totally certain that I am not gay because I didn't have a father.

It crossed my mind when I was a teenager, but not as an adult.

[abgsam001]

9 hours ago, Guest Aiyoh said:

 

We are already progressing. If you are AJs / PLUs in the 80's / 90's, you should have felt the change in climate now. The repeal of 377a is just ceremonial. I don't see the government enforcing 377A, not at least within the last 10 years. We have to accept that majority of the society is still not quite yet ready to embrace LGBT.

 

It takes time for society to accept and respect LGBT. We are getting there and let's just bide for our for the moment to come. Respect and acceptance won't be achieved just by screaming, shouting, ranting just to insist our point of view.

 

Agree

 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/9/2018 at 5:44 PM, Fit4Masc said:

Are you damaged person? is there something majorly wrong with you?? are you locked in prison? in a mental institution?  you still able to study, work, make a living, get online and complaint, thats good.  Some kids brought up with one man and one woman are worst off than you...just go to our prison and see for yourself!  Actually traditionally, alot of Chinese people were raised without a complete set of parents....but they turned out alright.  In the old days where there were no contraceptives. Girls were usually given away for adoption , raised by aunties, grandparents or relatives. Even these days in a lot of countries.  Kids are mostly raised by grandparents and other relatives, even maids lord forbid, as both parents need to work.  Oh yes, think about the Children is another scare tactic.  Those who claim a child must have a father and a mother,  never ever speak to or know of any Adults that have been brought up by families other than a men and a women...but yet they seems to know it all, strange..

As usual..bulldoze your way intonan argument with insults. Strange for someone fighting for rights but refuse to accept the rights of others. You cannot have it both ways idiot.

[Fit4Masc]

12 hours ago, auscent said:

 

Majority maybe conservative but this nation was built on educating to be progressive. Otherwise we would still be living in kampongs not following HDB public housing programme. 

 

Repealing is not abt accepting crime. Its abt respecting others. Its not abt tolerance but acceptance.

 

55 percent huh...World Press Freedom index ranks us at 151, below South Sudan. That says something about its objectivity.

 

I think acceptance is used by homophobes and haters to derail LGBTQI rights.  It's like forcing Muslims to accept Christianity. Which is almost impossible.  The right word is tolerance e.g. a Christian family can still tolerate a Muslim family as neighbor, in harmony and peace,  without the need to accept each other's faith and belief.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Fit4Masc

[Guest Twinks]

Hi all, for penal code 377A, I like to forward you an article I came across from an average American mom who has struggled this issue for past years:

The issue at stake is deeper n more involved than legalising gay rights, that is, allowing people the same rights to love n marry. That seems the right thing to do, n appeals to the sensibility of every decent person. The issues I touch on briefly does not consider or debate any religious beliefs, merely how our lives and personal liberty here have been undermined.
What has happened here is that within less than five years, massive changes have swept this country affecting every fabric of our lives:
Small businesses are being sued, bankrupted n given death threats for not providing services for gay marriages. Bakers, photographers, florists, pizza restaurants. Instead of respecting somebody’s religious values, the LGBTQ movement will sue these tiny businesses till they are bankrupted. Instead of going to another service provider. They are discriminating n violating the very values they claim they stand for. God forbid if a priest does not officiate their wedding.

The state of Colorado is prosecuting the baker, Phillips. He gets requests for cakes for gender transition events, cakes celebrating Satan, featuring Satanic symbols, depicting sexually explicit materials, and promoting marijuana use in order that the state can sue him for turning away those requests based on broad definition of “discrimination”.
Then there’s the (somewhat small but necessary detail for everyday living) bathroom issue where schools, retail n gyms are sued for separate bathrooms, so most bathrooms are now open gender. Schools are being sued for not allowing kids to choose which bathrooms they want to use. The schools have opened up staff and nurses toilets for trans. Instead of being grateful for the accommodation, parents sue schools for discriminating n stigmatizing their kids, insisting their kids should have the freedom to use the bathroom based on gender of their choice. A woman was kicked out of her exclusive gym when she complained there’s a man in the ladies locker/ bathroom. They called her intolerant. Yesterday I went to a restaurant toilet and as I was about to walk into a vacant stall, a teen (clearly) boy walked in.  How do I know he is trans? How do I protect a young daughter or granddaughter or elderly mom fr predators who now legally openly use any bathroom?
I live in just about the best city in America.  Yet my heart is deeply burdened by the new norm and total disregard for civility and mutual respect. I am so ready to go home - to Singapore where I hope common sense prevails.
So before people jump on the bandwagon to repeal 377A, they need to consider all the ramifications instead of buying into the myth about equal rights to marry. Because it is a slippery slope of unequal rights to the common man.

 

 

Guest's thoughts: I hope Singapore won't go from one state to another extreme. We want freedom, so do the Muslims and Christians.

[Fit4Masc]

2 hours ago, Guest Twinks said:

Hi all, for penal code 377A, I like to forward you an article I came across from an average American mom who has struggled this issue for past years:

The issue at stake is deeper n more involved than legalising gay rights, that is, allowing people the same rights to love n marry. That seems the right thing to do, n appeals to the sensibility of every decent person. The issues I touch on briefly does not consider or debate any religious beliefs, merely how our lives and personal liberty here have been undermined.
What has happened here is that within less than five years, massive changes have swept this country affecting every fabric of our lives:
Small businesses are being sued, bankrupted n given death threats for not providing services for gay marriages. Bakers, photographers, florists, pizza restaurants. Instead of respecting somebody’s religious values, the LGBTQ movement will sue these tiny businesses till they are bankrupted. Instead of going to another service provider. They are discriminating n violating the very values they claim they stand for. God forbid if a priest does not officiate their wedding.

The state of Colorado is prosecuting the baker, Phillips. He gets requests for cakes for gender transition events, cakes celebrating Satan, featuring Satanic symbols, depicting sexually explicit materials, and promoting marijuana use in order that the state can sue him for turning away those requests based on broad definition of “discrimination”.
Then there’s the (somewhat small but necessary detail for everyday living) bathroom issue where schools, retail n gyms are sued for separate bathrooms, so most bathrooms are now open gender. Schools are being sued for not allowing kids to choose which bathrooms they want to use. The schools have opened up staff and nurses toilets for trans. Instead of being grateful for the accommodation, parents sue schools for discriminating n stigmatizing their kids, insisting their kids should have the freedom to use the bathroom based on gender of their choice. A woman was kicked out of her exclusive gym when she complained there’s a man in the ladies locker/ bathroom. They called her intolerant. Yesterday I went to a restaurant toilet and as I was about to walk into a vacant stall, a teen (clearly) boy walked in.  How do I know he is trans? How do I protect a young daughter or granddaughter or elderly mom fr predators who now legally openly use any bathroom?
I live in just about the best city in America.  Yet my heart is deeply burdened by the new norm and total disregard for civility and mutual respect. I am so ready to go home - to Singapore where I hope common sense prevails.
So before people jump on the bandwagon to repeal 377A, they need to consider all the ramifications instead of buying into the myth about equal rights to marry. Because it is a slippery slope of unequal rights to the common man.

 

 

Guest's thoughts: I hope Singapore won't go from one state to another extreme. We want freedom, so do the Muslims and Christians.

LOL  This is a typical hater whinging.  Still insisting of retaining her prejudice and looking for any justifications she can lay her hands on.  Why are homophobic people so evil?  If the Whites refuse to serve the blacks, they will be sued for racial discrimination. Trans women using female toilet is another issue they are having problem with.   A trans women have had their dicks chopped off, and are physically a women.  Yet these homophobes insist they use the men toilet and man's change room???  Teaching gender and sexual diversity in schools is another one they hate, because they still want the next generation to continue to discriminate against LGBTQIs like them. Genderless toilets is another one they blame LGBTQIs,  Gender free toilets have individual locked stalls with share wash basins.  A lot of modern establishments have them, so far there have never been any issues reported. If she don't feel its safe for her young daughter to go to the toilet, than she should accompany her to toilets, lift, buses, trains and any public places shared by both genders.  She should be more worried about sending her young daughter to church, there are more Priests sexually assaulting kids than anywhere else on earth!. One must approach such discrimination complains rationally and not give in to lies and continued discrimination by these haters and homophobes!  Legalising homosexuality is just the beginning of a long struggle to break century old barriers of discrimination.  Once this generation of homophobes dies out, the world will be a better place for all tomorrow.

 

Religious freedom means one is free to practice any religion of their choosing, it does not mean they can imposing their religious views onto others, who do not share their beliefs. e.g.  If Islam forbid the consumption of Pork, that does not mean all in Singapore cannot eat Pork and the sale of Pork must be outlawed.  If they don't like homosexuality, no one is forcing them to.  Decriminalising homosexuality have absolutely nothing to do with them, they can still dislike gays, preach that homosexuality is a sin and not have sex with person of their own gender, no one is forcing them to.  Also have anyone really stop them from their ability to practice their christianity or a Islam and go to their churches or Mosques? what religious freedom have they actually lost? are they unhappy because they now have less opportunity to discriminate against LGBTQI people?

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[Steve5380]

11 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

As usual..bulldoze your way intonan argument with insults. Strange for someone fighting for rights but refuse to accept the rights of others. You cannot have it both ways idiot.

 

I read the above without prejudice and I thought: "too bad this guy can write and reveal that HE is an idiot who cannot read".

 

Nowhere had @Fit4Masc refused to accept the right of others, he simply does not respect their wrong ideas and wonders what can be the cause of such ideas.  Maybe you have these same wrong ideas and therefore feel insulted...  but this is your problem.

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[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Guest Twinks said:

Hi all, for penal code 377A, I like to forward you an article I came across from an average American mom who has struggled this issue for past years:

The issue at stake is deeper n more involved than legalising gay rights, that is, allowing people the same rights to love n marry. That seems the right thing to do, n appeals to the sensibility of every decent person. The issues I touch on briefly does not consider or debate any religious beliefs, merely how our lives and personal liberty here have been undermined.
What has happened here is that within less than five years, massive changes have swept this country affecting every fabric of our lives:
Small businesses are being sued, bankrupted n given death threats for not providing services for gay marriages. Bakers, photographers, florists, pizza restaurants. Instead of respecting somebody’s religious values, the LGBTQ movement will sue these tiny businesses till they are bankrupted. Instead of going to another service provider. They are discriminating n violating the very values they claim they stand for. God forbid if a priest does not officiate their wedding.

The state of Colorado is prosecuting the baker, Phillips. He gets requests for cakes for gender transition events, cakes celebrating Satan, featuring Satanic symbols, depicting sexually explicit materials, and promoting marijuana use in order that the state can sue him for turning away those requests based on broad definition of “discrimination”.
Then there’s the (somewhat small but necessary detail for everyday living) bathroom issue where schools, retail n gyms are sued for separate bathrooms, so most bathrooms are now open gender. Schools are being sued for not allowing kids to choose which bathrooms they want to use. The schools have opened up staff and nurses toilets for trans. Instead of being grateful for the accommodation, parents sue schools for discriminating n stigmatizing their kids, insisting their kids should have the freedom to use the bathroom based on gender of their choice. A woman was kicked out of her exclusive gym when she complained there’s a man in the ladies locker/ bathroom. They called her intolerant. Yesterday I went to a restaurant toilet and as I was about to walk into a vacant stall, a teen (clearly) boy walked in.  How do I know he is trans? How do I protect a young daughter or granddaughter or elderly mom fr predators who now legally openly use any bathroom?
I live in just about the best city in America.  Yet my heart is deeply burdened by the new norm and total disregard for civility and mutual respect. I am so ready to go home - to Singapore where I hope common sense prevails.
So before people jump on the bandwagon to repeal 377A, they need to consider all the ramifications instead of buying into the myth about equal rights to marry. Because it is a slippery slope of unequal rights to the common man.

 

 

Guest's thoughts: I hope Singapore won't go from one state to another extreme. We want freedom, so do the Muslims and Christians.

 

Before having your "thoughts"... why don't you re-read this article you quoted and analyze the basis for the ideas of this "average American mom"  (who is not average)?

 

Bakers, photographers, florists, pizza restaurants, provide a service that is harmless and usually festive. They don't need to involve themselves with the nature of the festivity, unless it is something illegal.  For example, to instigate Nazism and the KKK may be a hate crime and one can refuse to even contribute to it.  But homosexuality IS NOT a crime, and to celebrate it is an individual right. Those who refuse to provide usual objects and services for celebrations based on what is being celebrated are intruding into something that is not their business.  And, looking at it from another angle,  these service and object providers ARE NOT BEING VICTIMIZED if the celebration has some homosexual nature.  So, what motivates them if not a hateful righteousness of simply HATE?   And the writer of the article you quote has definite intention to bash since in the list of events he includes "celebrating Satan, featuring Satanic symbols, sexually explicit materials, promoting marijuana",  things that are not related to homosexuality. 

 

So the article you cite is clearly HATEFUL material.   What can you think about except condemning it ???

[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Fit4Masc said:

 She should be more worried about sending her young daughter to church, there are more Priests sexually assaulting kids than anywhere else on earth!. One must approach such discrimination complains rationally and not give in to lies and continued discrimination by these haters and homophobes!  Legalising homosexuality is just the beginning of a long struggle to break century old barriers of discrimination.  Once this generation of homophobes dies out, the world will be a better place for all tomorrow.

 

 

What an idea!  A respectable think tank should do a formal estimation of the probabilities for violations in unisex toilets (or where transgenders can use the toilets of their current status) versus violations in Catholic establishments and churches.  The results may be staggering!

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[Fit4Masc]

3 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I read the above without prejudice and I thought: "too bad this guy can write and reveal that HE is an idiot who cannot read".

 

Nowhere had @Fit4Masc refused to accept the right of others, he simply does not respect their wrong ideas and wonders what can be the cause of such ideas.  Maybe you have these same wrong ideas and therefore feel insulted...  but this is your problem.

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You have to forgive this Guest Guest,  His/Her ability to Comprehen the basic English language is not even average.  I have suggested in the pass that he or she should go do some basic to intermediate English language courses.

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[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I read the above without prejudice and I thought: "too bad this guy can write and reveal that HE is an idiot who cannot read".

 

Nowhere had @Fit4Masc refused to accept the right of others, he simply does not respect their wrong ideas and wonders what can be the cause of such ideas.  Maybe you have these same wrong ideas and therefore feel insulted...  but this is your problem.

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'Are you a damaged person?'. Enough said.

[Fit4Masc]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

'Are you a damaged person?'. Enough said.

We are not here to give you English language lessons. But seeing how you desperately needed some and seem unable to afford.  Here is a quick one....   That part of a sentence you quoted of me, is what we call "A Question" in the English language i.e. denoted by a question Mark, that looks like this  "?".   A question is not an accusation nor is it an affirmation, meaning I did not insist that he is. Just questioning the impossibility of it, in a back to front way (the beauty of the versatility of the English language). Since he could actually and obviously able to put words together to form a sentence and paragraph, study, work and make a living.  If you bother to read and understand all that I posted, if not maybe even  just that whole sentence, you will not miss my affirmation that he is obviously not, at the end of my sentence, that you partly quoted.  Another pointer, when you read anything. You cannot just pick up one portion of a sentence and jump straight into conclusion (which you seems to do regularly).  You need to read the whole sentence, sometimes even the whole paragraph, as the next sentence may contain more information relating to the sentence before it and may add to or changes the meaning of the previous sentence,  before you get the full meaning of what others are trying to convey.   Oh, a sentence starts with a Capital letter usually and ends with a dot "." , in between a sentence there may be other punctuations e.g. "," "()"":" etc etc.

 

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[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Nightingale said:

Enough said?  You accused Steve5380 of being damaged without explanation or justification.  Direct this question at yourself, troll!

 

Forgive "Guest Guest" for his question, which does not have the specificity he thinks it has.

I am a damaged person today.  In yesterday's Aikido practice something made a cut into my left small toe.  Some skin came off but without bleeding.  A piece of surgical tape will take will take care of it.  I hope it won't get infected, so I'm walking less today.

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[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

'Are you a damaged person?'. Enough said.

 

Thank you for making me the subject of your saying that made it "enough".

Still you should stretch your saying to include "I am hungry",  so that you don't perish from starvation.

[tjan_troy]

On 9/9/2018 at 8:57 PM, Fit4Masc said:

You very simple wan and only think about sex...Its not just about sex. its about alot of other things ...like NS, gays are discriminated classed as 302, only allowed certain vocations e.g. storeman and clerks,  HDB heterosexuals couple under 35 can apply for HDB BTO, but gay couple cannot.  Our media also actively discriminate against gays, any tv shows that show gays in good light is chopped.  which help maintaining the bad religious propagated image. Gay groups that do free social support for gays are not "Recognised" by our authority as charity groups, hence get no subsides and support from the authority.  These are only a few examples of discrimination towards gays in Singapore. Once 377A is repealed, such official discrimination will be challengeable.  But of course religious group are free to maintain their false and discriminatory teachings.

 

 

There are many "fake gays" FCBC have employed to influence the gay society via BW and gay apps. Why are you even surprised?