upshot Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-administration-pushes-end-to-worldwide-criminalization-of-homosexuality To the trump haters... at least something is taking place with him.. Quote ** Comments are my opinions, same as yours. It's not a 'Be-All-and-End-All' view. Intent's to thought-provoke, validate, reiterate and yes, even correct. Opinion to consider but agree to disagree. I don't enjoy conflicted exchanges, empty bravado or egoistical chest pounding. It's never personal, tribalistic or with malice. Frank by nature, means, I never bend the truth. Views are to broaden understanding - Updated: Nov 2021.
upshot Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/19/18232163/trump-administration-grenell-decriminalize-lgbt Quote ** Comments are my opinions, same as yours. It's not a 'Be-All-and-End-All' view. Intent's to thought-provoke, validate, reiterate and yes, even correct. Opinion to consider but agree to disagree. I don't enjoy conflicted exchanges, empty bravado or egoistical chest pounding. It's never personal, tribalistic or with malice. Frank by nature, means, I never bend the truth. Views are to broaden understanding - Updated: Nov 2021.
upshot Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-launches-global-effort-end-criminalization-homosexuality-n973081 Try getting your left wing SJW cucks and Obama to do or event attempt that. Quote ** Comments are my opinions, same as yours. It's not a 'Be-All-and-End-All' view. Intent's to thought-provoke, validate, reiterate and yes, even correct. Opinion to consider but agree to disagree. I don't enjoy conflicted exchanges, empty bravado or egoistical chest pounding. It's never personal, tribalistic or with malice. Frank by nature, means, I never bend the truth. Views are to broaden understanding - Updated: Nov 2021.
upshot Posted February 24, 2019 Author Posted February 24, 2019 https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-publicly-hangs-man-on-homosexuality-charges-578758 Quote ** Comments are my opinions, same as yours. It's not a 'Be-All-and-End-All' view. Intent's to thought-provoke, validate, reiterate and yes, even correct. Opinion to consider but agree to disagree. I don't enjoy conflicted exchanges, empty bravado or egoistical chest pounding. It's never personal, tribalistic or with malice. Frank by nature, means, I never bend the truth. Views are to broaden understanding - Updated: Nov 2021.
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 wow, this is really the end times, guys better spend your last dime, the world is gonna end in fire and brimstone soon, we are talking sulfur lava , unbearable fires and gnashing of teeth...... why would that canary top stir the shit abt ending discrimination , unless its to create more chaos and fatten the banks and the ultra rich. LOL, LOL, he doesnt even understand the issues and the various stake holders. Quote
Guest Money is key Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 America should not have any trade dealings with country that criminalise LGBT. That should send shiver down the spine of our govt and I can guarantee within one year s377a will be repealed without much of a fanfair purely for commercial and economical reason. This govt is greed more than sin conscious. Moral value cannot fatten their pocket. The opening of 2 casinos is stark example. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 24, 2019 Posted February 24, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Guest Money is key said: America should not have any trade dealings with country that criminalise LGBT. That should send shiver down the spine of our govt and I can guarantee within one year s377a will be repealed without much of a fanfair purely for commercial and economical reason. This govt is greed more than sin conscious. Moral value cannot fatten their pocket. The opening of 2 casinos is stark example. LOL! This would put a fast end to 377A, in spite of Thio LiAnn and her mother. It's hard to figure out what is behind this alleged Trump move. I would not follow @upshot in singing any praises of him. Maybe "The Wall" is not strong enough anymore to distract attention from the increase in legal troubles that may kick Trump out of the White House? Trump had promised the denuclearization of N. Korea, and this seems to have fizzled down to another talk between him and Kim for pure propaganda reasons. As for the Apocalypse and End of Times... that was predicted many times before. If the sex crimes committed by priest, bishops that pope Francis is now fighting didn't precipitate this cataclysm, it is doubtful that Trump siding with LGTBs will cause it! Doubts, doubts... https://www.them.us/story/trump-administration-decriminalize-homosexuality . Edited February 24, 2019 by Steve5380 Quote
Ben S Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Trump will say anything to benefit himself .... selfish prick (who is an idiot). Nothing he says worth anything That's all I have to say for this thread Quote
Guest disclosed yourself Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 15 hours ago, Steve5380 said: LOL! This would put a fast end to 377A, in spite of Thio LiAnn and her mother. It's hard to figure out what is behind this alleged Trump move. I would not follow @upshot in singing any praises of him. Maybe "The Wall" is not strong enough anymore to distract attention from the increase in legal troubles that may kick Trump out of the White House? Trump had promised the denuclearization of N. Korea, and this seems to have fizzled down to another talk between him and Kim for pure propaganda reasons. As for the Apocalypse and End of Times... that was predicted many times before. If the sex crimes committed by priest, bishops that pope Francis is now fighting didn't precipitate this cataclysm, it is doubtful that Trump siding with LGTBs will cause it! Doubts, doubts... https://www.them.us/story/trump-administration-decriminalize-homosexuality . With his own supporters doubting on him since the border wall issue and the government shutdown, he really hopes that gays will vote for him for his nonsense? I just read that he is thinking of reversing his decision of pulling out the soldiers from Syria. Twist and turn. how many times again. Even if the Trump Organisation would sponsor the gay liberty prize for outstanding contributions of supporting gay matters in the world I would not trust him. He is just running a policy of distracting people from his flaws. I hope that one Republican guy will stand up, and just call him in and tell him not to run for a second turn or to challenge him. It is a shame that this country who prided itself as a base of democracy has turned into a swamp of political turmoil and shadow boxing. That one Democrat lady Representative was interesting when she alluded how easy it is to implement corruptive practices in the politics in the US. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/alexandria-ocasiocortez-breaks-twitter-record-with-corruption-explainer-on-campaign-finance-laws/news-story/eb74ab35132834b4ad67b18bf1e8ce4d In five minutes, the New York Democrat demonstrated how the current legal system encourages and rewards politicians for pursuing personal and corporate interests instead of those of the American people. In the video, Ms Ocasio-Cortez delivers an impassioned argument to the House Oversight Committee calling out corruption at the highest levels of US government. ‘We have a system that is fundamentally broken.’ — Rep. @AOC is explaining just how f*cked campaign finance laws really are pic.twitter.com/sCwpkRzcHB — NowThis (@nowthisnews) February 8, 2019 She posed a simple series of questions to ethics experts to demonstrate how a politician looking to advance their own interests could avoid being held accountable in Congress. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, US, you lost your voice to shame other countries on corruption, democracy and the gap between poor and rich. (No, I m not a communist). Your economy is in decline. We can't take anything positive anymore from your country. Please clean up that mess and hopefully come back stronger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ He kuukuu tangaengae nui; he parera apu paru. Quote
Guest MAGA Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Ben S said: Trump will say anything to benefit himself .... selfish prick (who is an idiot). Nothing he says worth anything That's all I have to say for this thread Well, at least he is the POTUS and you are nothing. Really those with Trump derangement syndrome here should stop watching all these fake news -coming from CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc. The real evils are the extreme progressive democrats. Quote
Guest MAGA Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, Guest disclosed yourself said: With his own supporters doubting on him since the border wall issue and the government shutdown, he really hopes that gays will vote for him for his nonsense? I just read that he is thinking of reversing his decision of pulling out the soldiers from Syria. Twist and turn. how many times again. Even if the Trump Organisation would sponsor the gay liberty prize for outstanding contributions of supporting gay matters in the world I would not trust him. He is just running a policy of distracting people from his flaws. I hope that one Republican guy will stand up, and just call him in and tell him not to run for a second turn or to challenge him. It is a shame that this country who prided itself as a base of democracy has turned into a swamp of political turmoil and shadow boxing. That one Democrat lady Representative was interesting when she alluded how easy it is to implement corruptive practices in the politics in the US. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/alexandria-ocasiocortez-breaks-twitter-record-with-corruption-explainer-on-campaign-finance-laws/news-story/eb74ab35132834b4ad67b18bf1e8ce4d In five minutes, the New York Democrat demonstrated how the current legal system encourages and rewards politicians for pursuing personal and corporate interests instead of those of the American people. In the video, Ms Ocasio-Cortez delivers an impassioned argument to the House Oversight Committee calling out corruption at the highest levels of US government. ‘We have a system that is fundamentally broken.’ — Rep. @AOC is explaining just how f*cked campaign finance laws really are pic.twitter.com/sCwpkRzcHB — NowThis (@nowthisnews) February 8, 2019 She posed a simple series of questions to ethics experts to demonstrate how a politician looking to advance their own interests could avoid being held accountable in Congress. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, US, you lost your voice to shame other countries on corruption, democracy and the gap between poor and rich. (No, I m not a communist). Your economy is in decline. We can't take anything positive anymore from your country. Please clean up that mess and hopefully come back stronger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ He kuukuu tangaengae nui; he parera apu paru. I can picture you looking like an maid version of that crazy & ignorant AOC. Go & read how an economic illiterate like her fucked up the Amazon deal for NYC. Even people from her own Democrats party are now blaming how stupid she is think that the US$3 billion tax incentives are actual existing cash handouts to be given to Amazon. Quote
Guest disclosed yourself Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Guest MAGA is nobody else than: Guest super Troll (Guest Dirty Auntie = Guest 脏子姨 alias Guest Guest alias Guest 犯贱冰冰 alias Guest Guest 2 alias Guest anti mosquito detergent, Guest Cleanly Teacher and his other acronyms) Guest super Troll, please stick to Singaporean topics. You have no right to judge or opine anthing from outside of Singapore because you disallow foreigners to discuss local Singaporean topics. Otherwise you contradict yourself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kia eke au ki runga ki te puna o Tinirau. Quote
Guest MAGA Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 This is an open discussion. I'm open to your rebuttal as long as you stick to the topic on Trump! Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Guest MAGA said: This is an open discussion. I'm open to your rebuttal as long as you stick to the topic on Trump! Let's talk about Trump then. Even before entering the political scene, he has always been a corrupt deceptive liar, a con man of the worst kind. He hasn't changed, and everything in his administration is as corrupt, deceptive as he is. Of course he calls "fake news" those about his corruption, deceptions, lies. Maybe he has some brain disease that makes him believe what he says. But this does not mean that YOU have to believe it. Haven't YOU received some basic education, some moral compass that lets you distinguish between facts and lies? Quote
Guest abc Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 If Trump is that bad, do you think he can win the Republican's primary? Quote
Ben S Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 16 hours ago, Guest MAGA said: Well, at least he is the POTUS and you are nothing. Really those with Trump derangement syndrome here should stop watching all these fake news -coming from CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc. The real evils are the extreme progressive democrats. I'd gladly to be nothing than having a stressful life Either way, I'm just enjoying the show If Trump wins and gets his way ... will see how US devolve If Trump loses .... better to be nothing, I guess. Ignore democrats ... just look at facts and compare with what Trump said. Do you have any trusted source of information that you prefer Guest MAGA ? Fox News ? Quote
Guest Fake News Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 The title of this thread is the real "fake news." Trump's "administration" is not pushing to end the worldwide criminalization of homosexuality. Trump's Ambassador to Germany, who is a rich gay Republican, is trying to start a push to end the worldwide criminalization of homosexuality. What does Trump himself say about this? The media asked him a few hours after the Ambassador to Germany brought it up. Trump answered "what plan" and had no idea about any of it. The rich gay Ambassador is projecting his personal desires onto his boss back in Washington DC. If anybody thinks the horde of homophobes in the Trump administration, led by the extremely religious and completely anti-gay Vice President Mike Pence will let Dolt 45 sign any law aimed at ending the worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality, you have lost all touch with reality. Quote
Guest disclosed yourself Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 21 hours ago, Ben S said: Trump will say anything to benefit himself .... selfish prick (who is an idiot). Nothing he says worth anything That's all I have to say for this thread 1 hour ago, Ben S said: I'd gladly to be nothing than having a stressful life Either way, I'm just enjoying the show If Trump wins and gets his way ... will see how US devolve If Trump loses .... better to be nothing, I guess. Ignore democrats ... just look at facts and compare with what Trump said. Do you have any trusted source of information that you prefer Guest MAGA ? Fox News ? Ben, I for certain not a fan of Guest Dirty Auntie (hiding here as Guest MAGA), but I have to admit your initial post was a bit unreflected. Just calling someone idiot without any supporting statements is a bit lazy. I have nothing against the fact that you say he is a selfish prick. but please don't call people just idiots without pointing out why. And I m not a fan of Trump. but compared to you I read about him, from objective sources. He is the biggest business failure of the American history. His "ass" was saved more than three times from the banks backing him before he would have been a bankrupt. I wrote it before at other places here. he was only lucky that the banks always supported him and backed him because they feared that his magnificent business deals go bust. Only his father was a good business man, but he is actually only a near to be bankrupt. But he still pretends that he is a great business man. He lost billions on a hotel in New York, which he even renovated for 450 milions to then after 2 years being forced to sell the property of for 45 milions. What a great deal. Trump City Casino was a loss too and his employees are still waiting for their salaries to be paid. Trump has a big mouth and I m not sure why nobody ever really informed the public about him. You must see his way of politics and counter it. The worst for me and most disappointing is, that the Republican party instead of uniting the party, does not speak out against his policies. They should show him clearly the limits and should have warned him calling an emergency (border wall) where there is none. Sure, I don't have anything against the US to tighten the border security but don't put up propaganda please. (All criminals coming over and so on). The fruit industry in vast parts of the US would be dead without the immigrants working there for very low salaries and on an exploitation basis. Trump is a guy from the past century. His ideology is still stuck in the 70s, he is the only one who hasn't noted that the world has moved. Anyhow, on some points I think he is right. For sure the agreement with Iran was a compromise and maybe settled to hastily by Obama (because his term was expiring soon). For sure Trump is right to point out that China is not playing by the rules (neither is the US, who has been the big winner that the WTO treaty 20 years back was never signed off (e.g. on agriculture). But Trump plays the big cowboy and thinks the Chinese will just follow on his demand. The biggest problem is if politicians have no vision or long term vision on their policy. And I don't see Trump has any valid vision. The US is at a state where France and Great Britain have been in the late 60s, where they lost their "world" power not running half of the planet. The influence of the US has declined. And it will decline even further. But their state of mind is still set in the previous era . Some of us might be smarter, even Kissinger (living in the past) might be smarter too to define some world policies for the US. But Trump is not a listener and only believes to his own truth. And nobody really told him into his face that he is a business looser and a politician looser. The Republicans and Democrats have to get together soon to clean up the democracy and give it back more value. At the moment it does not look good. And Bernie Sanders is well advised to give up his dream. He is much too far left to run the US. But are politicians the people to confess that their system went wrong? Maybe it was good to have someone as Trump for some years, to see the urgent need to reform the system. (hoping he is not going to be re-elected). Because the world needs countries that can give good examples what democracy is about. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He mate kai e rokohanga, he mate anu ekore e rokohanga. Quote
Ben S Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Guest disclosed yourself said: Ben, I for certain not a fan of Guest Dirty Auntie (hiding here as Guest MAGA), but I have to admit your initial post was a bit unreflected. Just calling someone idiot without any supporting statements is a bit lazy. I have nothing against the fact that you say he is a selfish prick. but please don't call people just idiots without pointing out why. I have never been into politics. The only reason why I follow US , because I want to see how it ends (or maybe starts) for Trump Being honest, when I was younger, I admired Trump when he was on that show The Apprentice. Successful businessman, etc Only when I get older and know more facts, I start to see how Trump become he is now. I respect a person from what they say and what they do. If they don't do what they say they would (without a logical reason) .... there is no value in what they say any longer There are many occasions where Trump lies, even contradicts himself ... I can't be bothered to list them .... google it yourself. Just to point out, you exclude the Russian influence for Trump business. The bank is deeply involved with Russian money laundering scheme ... so, if big boss say help Trump, of course it will be done. Again, for election, Russian influence. Again, at least 4 of Trump closest aides already indicted with Russian collusion On side note: I follow Rachel Maddow from MSNBC, I love her way to explain situations in a simpler way Quote
Guest Woke Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 You follow rachel maddow and you are spreading your liberal ideas here. Under trump, the us economy improved so much. After 2years of investigation by muller, he found no evidence of the russian collusion. Trump made progress with north korea. He hold china accountable for their unfair trade practices and ip theft. He is against ILLEGAL immigration as was Obama and Clinton. No matter how well he has done the media will never protray his as a good man. Maybe you shd start watching fox news for a balance. I watch both fox and cnn and breitbart and sometimes msnbc and I can tell you the left is crazy. Just answer me do you think abortion in the third trimester is moral? Dont be brainwashed by the media please Quote
Guest Woke Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 Remember in 2016? When everyone said if trump wins there would be WW3 and the US economy will crash and go into a recession? Let me tell you the dow jones industrial index is very strong now and so is the US economy. Is there world war 3? You guys blindly let the liberal media brainwash you. So disappointing. Ben S you mentioned he lied but can you be more specific? Because I can, the democrats have been constanly lying. From the hillary clinton lying that she land under sniper fire, to the kavanaugh cases and most recently Jussie smollet. These are all cases of hoaxea from the liberals to further their political causes and its just the tip of the iceberg. I can provide more examples. So please do tell. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Guest Woke said: You follow rachel maddow and you are spreading your liberal ideas here. Under trump, the us economy improved so much. After 2years of investigation by muller, he found no evidence of the russian collusion. Trump made progress with north korea. He hold china accountable for their unfair trade practices and ip theft. He is against ILLEGAL immigration as was Obama and Clinton. No matter how well he has done the media will never protray his as a good man. Maybe you shd start watching fox news for a balance. I watch both fox and cnn and breitbart and sometimes msnbc and I can tell you the left is crazy. Just answer me do you think abortion in the third trimester is moral? Dont be brainwashed by the media please How you know that Mueller hasn't found evidence of collusion? He hasn't released his report yet, so maybe... you are clairvoyant? Rachel Maddow has her facts well researched. She doesn't speak bullshit like... some at Breitbart and Fox news. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Guest Woke said: Remember in 2016? When everyone said if trump wins there would be WW3 and the US economy will crash and go into a recession? Let me tell you the dow jones industrial index is very strong now and so is the US economy. Is there world war 3? You guys blindly let the liberal media brainwash you. So disappointing. Ben S you mentioned he lied but can you be more specific? Because I can, the democrats have been constanly lying. From the hillary clinton lying that she land under sniper fire, to the kavanaugh cases and most recently Jussie smollet. These are all cases of hoaxea from the liberals to further their political causes and its just the tip of the iceberg. I can provide more examples. So please do tell. Remember in 2016? When Trump promised over and over that Mexico would pay for "the wall"? Remember Trump's "zero tolerance" policy towards refugees, taking away the little children from their mothers and sending them away, without keeping track of where they went? A decent person would not have done that not even with their pets, much less with... little children (!!!!!!!!) His "zero tolerance" is "zero humanity". And then this hypocrite has the nerve of trying to justify his "national emergency" with "humanitarian crisis".... Yes, humanitarian crises he creates! Remember Trump's anti-environmental actions and his denying that there is a global climate crisis? Remember Trump's hiring of illegal aliens to work for cheap at his resorts and other companies? Remember.... another hundreds of things, the list is long... But then you probably don't remember any of this. You have been completely brain-washed. Quote
Guest Proof Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 This link contains statistics on the Trump Campaign & Administration's rampant criminality, backed up by actual facts, and not make believe declarations based on blind faith in evil pretending to be good. As for the economy, all Trump has done is managed to avoid crashing the economy that Obama repaired despite rabidly racist Republican opposition, after Bush trashed the economy before he took over. Bad news is on the horizon, however, as the "tax cut" a.k.a. redistribution of money from the poor and middle class to the wealthiest millionaires and billionaires is already causing much smaller tax refunds. Quote
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 Everyone here is following a red herringand barking up a wrong tree lah, The real reason why Trump is doing what he is doing is becos he wants to ................... Quote
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 Real life of Soddom and gomorrah is around the corner. Quote
Guest Woke Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 @Steve5380 Look at how the european countries are such a shithole with all their refugees. Why must the US accept refugees? What about SG? Are you condemning the government for not accepting refugees? Or is this just you having double standards? He welcomes legal immigrants who can contribute to the economy just like ANY other country (including sg) and is against illegal immigrants. Are u for illegal immigration? Do you want Singapore to accept refugees? Do you want illegal immigrants coming to our country? Do you house a homeless person at your home? If the answer is no then dont expect others to do it. Ask yourself these questions first Secondly it was the obama adminnistration who locked the kids up in cages and also separated the kids so come off your high horses and get you facts right. Obama also said that the manufacturing jobs cant come back and the economy cant grow above 4%. Look what happened. Trump proved him wrong. Obama didnt even help the economy, if it had been any other president, the economy would have recovered much faster. Look at the stock market under trump and the number of jobs he created for the american people. There is no proof that he hired illegal aliens but there is proof that Hillary clinton deleted 33000 emails to cover her tracks. And dont pretend to be naive. There are contractors and sub contractors in the real estate businesses. You outsource some jobs to other companies.. Quote
Guest Woke Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Another point. OBAMA and CLINTON both said that marriage is between a man and a woman. They were against gay marriage until it was popularised. This is on youtube . It is there for everyone to see. Trump on the other hand has never been anti gay. His personal lawyer 40years ago was gay and he still hired him. If Trump had been anti gay, he would have fired his lawyer then. Please do a fact check. Thanks. Dont be blinded by the liberal media Quote
Guest abc Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 10 hours ago, Guest Woke said: Another point. OBAMA and CLINTON both said that marriage is between a man and a woman. They were against gay marriage until it was popularised. This is on youtube . It is there for everyone to see. Trump on the other hand has never been anti gay. His personal lawyer 40years ago was gay and he still hired him. If Trump had been anti gay, he would have fired his lawyer then. Please do a fact check. Thanks. Dont be blinded by the liberal media I agreed. Peter Thiel would not have backed an anti-gay candidate. If the Trump administration pushes an end to worldwide criminalization of homosexuality, he would get my vote for his re-election bid (if I can vote ). Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Guest abc said: I agreed. Peter Thiel would not have backed an anti-gay candidate. If the Trump administration pushes an end to worldwide criminalization of homosexuality, he would get my vote for his re-election bid (if I can vote ). Good that you don't vote in the US! Thiel liked Trump because of his foreign policies, like not getting the US involved in foreign wars. But foreign wars is traditionally liked by the Republicans, like GW Bush, not the progressives like Obama. In any case, one should not vote for a candidate based on only some items, like foreign policy and gay support. 10 hours ago, Guest Woke said: Another point. OBAMA and CLINTON both said that marriage is between a man and a woman. They were against gay marriage until it was popularised. This is on youtube . It is there for everyone to see. Trump on the other hand has never been anti gay. His personal lawyer 40years ago was gay and he still hired him. If Trump had been anti gay, he would have fired his lawyer then. Please do a fact check. Thanks. Dont be blinded by the liberal media There are good people who are opposed to same-sex marriage. But it is the excellent people who are willing to go against their gut feelings against gay marriage in favor of equal rights. And this is what Obama and Clinton do. They support same-sex marriage even if they may not like to get involved with it. Trump on the other hand has no problems hurting transsexuals, banning them from the military, to please some people for his own benefit. Please do a fact check. Thanks. Don't be blinded by the conservative media. . Edited February 27, 2019 by Steve5380 Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 11 hours ago, Guest Woke said: @Steve5380 Look at how the european countries are such a shithole with all their refugees. Why must the US accept refugees? What about SG? Are you condemning the government for not accepting refugees? Or is this just you having double standards? He welcomes legal immigrants who can contribute to the economy just like ANY other country (including sg) and is against illegal immigrants. Are u for illegal immigration? Do you want Singapore to accept refugees? Do you want illegal immigrants coming to our country? Do you house a homeless person at your home? If the answer is no then dont expect others to do it. Ask yourself these questions first Secondly it was the obama adminnistration who locked the kids up in cages and also separated the kids so come off your high horses and get you facts right. Obama also said that the manufacturing jobs cant come back and the economy cant grow above 4%. Look what happened. Trump proved him wrong. Obama didnt even help the economy, if it had been any other president, the economy would have recovered much faster. Look at the stock market under trump and the number of jobs he created for the american people. There is no proof that he hired illegal aliens but there is proof that Hillary clinton deleted 33000 emails to cover her tracks. And dont pretend to be naive. There are contractors and sub contractors in the real estate businesses. You outsource some jobs to other companies.. Why must the US accept refugees? Why must hospitals accept sick people who don't have money in their emergency rooms? Why should firefighters risk their lives for people they don't know? The people who pile up at the south border of the US trying to get in are in REAL NEED. It takes real hardship and deadly threats to leave one's home, leave everything behind and engage in a treacherous journey in hope of a safer, better life. Trump has said that Mexicans are CRIMINALS, except for a few. He has said that the refugees in the caravans from Honduras are TERRORISTS. These are all shameless LIES! What about SG? Well... we don't know. There have not been caravans of refugees trying to land in SG. You don't have land borders with countries in distress. You are already overpopulated on your small island and everything is expensive there. In contrast, the US is under-populated, with plenty of land where new settlers can make a decent living. and HISPANICS ARE GOOD IMMIGRANTS. They are mostly Catholic, not jihadists, and of good nature. The government statistics reveal that they are less prone to crime than the native Americans. In the days of the Obama administration there were already laws in place that dictated the separation of children and adults, for a limited time, among the people seeking asylum. But these adults DID NOT LOSE their children. It was Trump who pushed the "zero humanity" policy disregarding the limited separation time and overloading the immigration system to the point this barbarity took place. You could as well try to justify Hitler's killing of 6 million Jews by saying that prior to him Germany already had the death penalty... Now... WHY is the economy apparently doing so well under Trump? Those who handle the economy, the people with power and money, LIKE Trump because the capitalistic gifts he makes them. What if it is in their hands to "improve" the economy to make Trump look good and attract the naive voters who only think with their pocketbooks? Quote
upshot Posted February 27, 2019 Author Posted February 27, 2019 Quote ** Comments are my opinions, same as yours. It's not a 'Be-All-and-End-All' view. Intent's to thought-provoke, validate, reiterate and yes, even correct. Opinion to consider but agree to disagree. I don't enjoy conflicted exchanges, empty bravado or egoistical chest pounding. It's never personal, tribalistic or with malice. Frank by nature, means, I never bend the truth. Views are to broaden understanding - Updated: Nov 2021.
Guest Woke Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve5380 said: Why must the US accept refugees? Why must hospitals accept sick people who don't have money in their emergency rooms? Why should firefighters risk their lives for people they don't know? The people who pile up at the south border of the US trying to get in are in REAL NEED. It takes real hardship and deadly threats to leave one's home, leave everything behind and engage in a treacherous journey in hope of a safer, better life. Trump has said that Mexicans are CRIMINALS, except for a few. He has said that the refugees in the caravans from Honduras are TERRORISTS. These are all shameless LIES! What about SG? Well... we don't know. There have not been caravans of refugees trying to land in SG. You don't have land borders with countries in distress. You are already overpopulated on your small island and everything is expensive there. In contrast, the US is under-populated, with plenty of land where new settlers can make a decent living. and HISPANICS ARE GOOD IMMIGRANTS. They are mostly Catholic, not jihadists, and of good nature. The government statistics reveal that they are less prone to crime than the native Americans. In the days of the Obama administration there were already laws in place that dictated the separation of children and adults, for a limited time, among the people seeking asylum. But these adults DID NOT LOSE their children. It was Trump who pushed the "zero humanity" policy disregarding the limited separation time and overloading the immigration system to the point this barbarity took place. You could as well try to justify Hitler's killing of 6 million Jews by saying that prior to him Germany already had the death penalty... Now... WHY is the economy apparently doing so well under Trump? Those who handle the economy, the people with power and money, LIKE Trump because the capitalistic gifts he makes them. What if it is in their hands to "improve" the economy to make Trump look good and attract the naive voters who only think with their pocketbooks? @Steve5380 Firstly it is not a trecherous journey. The distance between some Mexican cities and US cities can be as near as 500m. You know how near that is so please stop painting a false narrative. Trump wasnt wrong when he said they are criminals. He DID NOT say ALL MEXICANS ARE CRIMINALS, only those who crossed ILLEGALLY. If they cross the border ILLEGALLY, they have already broken the law and are therefore criminals. Why cant they cross legally i.e. going to the different ports of entry and applying for asylum? Why must they skirt around the system? Isnt this unfair to the other LEGAL immigrants? So they are poor thing but the other immigrants are not poor thing? It is akin to someone cutting your queue but on a bigger level because there are quotas for immigrations and some legal immigrants cant enter due to these illegal immigrants. And go google the OPIOID CRISIS, 90% of the drugs come from the border; Fentanyl, cocaine, meth. These are harming the Americans and he wants to protect them. I dont see what is wrong with wanting to protect your citizens. Just ask yourself if the same had happened to Singapore, illegal drugs coming to Singapore from Malaysia, would the government allow that? Of course not. "They are mostly Catholic, not jihadists, and of good nature. The government statistics reveal that they are less prone to crime than the native Americans." Can you vouch for their characters? Also, do you know what is NATIVE AMERICAN? He is not wrong about Honduras. The countries in Central America are one of the most dangerous ones; Honduras and El Salvador. Look at those videos of those Honduran "Refugees" violently attacking the Mexican people and the police. How are they peace loving people? Why must they go to the USA? Why not go to a nearer country such as Panama or Nicaragua? This is because they know they can exploit the US and their riches. MOST IMPORTANTLY, Mexico did offer asylum to the refugees from Honduras and El Salvador but guess what? THEY REJECTED IT. WHY? You mentioned that US is akin to a hospital and that it must take in the refugees to care for them? Then what about the homeless US citizens? The hospital must take care of the patients that are ALREADY inside. The US needs to care for their own citizens first. Just like how you mentioned that SG is too populated and cannot care for someone else. And u mentioned that SG is cramped but the fact is we have a higher per capita GDP (means we are financially more capable of caring for these refugees) than the US and ALSO we are still taking in PRs every single year so your argument about us being overpopulated is moot because if we are really OVERPOPULATED, we would not even be taking in PRs. The reason we dont see boats filled with refugees coming to SG is because WE DONT ACCEPT THEM. Not because they do not want to come. There is no such thing as "ZERO HUMANITY" policy. Please stop making things up. Thanks. Lastly, so if you are condemning capitalism are you supporting socialism and communism? If yes, then you are first a hypocrite because you benefited from the capitalistic society that we have built here in SG and secondly you will find that the ISD will come knocking on your door. If no, then you are also a hypocrite for denouncing capitalism here. So if the US economy fails, you will blame it on Trump, but if the US economy thrives(which it currently is), you are accusing him of doing that ONLY to gain voters and that he has an ulterior motive? Why cant he be doing that to help the American people? Your arguments are so flawed. Can you say the same for Obama? The GDP grew under Obama(even though it grew much more under Trump), so Obama did that to "make himself look good and attract the naive voters who only think with their pocketbooks"? Dont give such arguments it makes you look dumb. Quote
Guest Woke Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Oh another point. You said "But foreign wars is traditionally liked by the Republicans, like GW Bush, not the progressives like Obama". Obama started MORE wars than GW Bush and Trump combined. Do a fact check. Obama said it would take GENERATIONS to kill ISIS. Look at where ISIS is after Trump took over. GONE. Completely eviscerated. Obama is useless and you know it. 'There are good people who are opposed to same-sex marriage. But it is the excellent people who are willing to go against their gut feelings against gay marriage in favor of equal rights. And this is what Obama and Clinton do. They support same-sex marriage even if they may not like to get involved with it. Trump on the other hand has no problems hurting transsexuals, banning them from the military, to please some people for his own benefit." This is you BACKPEDALING. There is no need for me to reply to this. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, Guest Woke said: @Steve5380 Firstly it is not a trecherous journey. The distance between some Mexican cities and US cities can be as near as 500m. You know how near that is so please stop painting a false narrative. Trump wasnt wrong when he said they are criminals. He DID NOT say ALL MEXICANS ARE CRIMINALS, only those who crossed ILLEGALLY. If they cross the border ILLEGALLY, they have already broken the law and are therefore criminals. Why cant they cross legally i.e. going to the different ports of entry and applying for asylum? Why must they skirt around the system? Isnt this unfair to the other LEGAL immigrants? So they are poor thing but the other immigrants are not poor thing? It is akin to someone cutting your queue but on a bigger level because there are quotas for immigrations and some legal immigrants cant enter due to these illegal immigrants. And go google the OPIOID CRISIS, 90% of the drugs come from the border; Fentanyl, cocaine, meth. These are harming the Americans and he wants to protect them. I dont see what is wrong with wanting to protect your citizens. Just ask yourself if the same had happened to Singapore, illegal drugs coming to Singapore from Malaysia, would the government allow that? Of course not. "They are mostly Catholic, not jihadists, and of good nature. The government statistics reveal that they are less prone to crime than the native Americans." Can you vouch for their characters? Also, do you know what is NATIVE AMERICAN? I am really sorry that you have been so misinformed! The caravans of refugees that are stopped at the US border don't come from 500 m away, but from Central America. You can see on the map how far away this is. When Trump boasted that Mexicans are criminals, he didn't qualify his wrong statement with "illegal". And even then, he would have been wrong. There are a million Dreamers who came to the US without papers. They are NOT criminals, unless you like to call little children "criminals". Another amazing question you make is WHY the illegals enter illegally. Have you ever put yourself in their shoes? They enter illegally because it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to do it legally. Do you also find UNJUST that severely ill indigents are treated at emergency rooms while those who can pay, or have their insurance pay for them, are charged for the same services? And without doubt the indigent take away hospital space and resources from the paying patients. About the drug crisis, the immigration officials and even the drug lords all confirm that drugs come through the border at the entry ports, not through desolated land without fences. And the biggest opioid offender, Fentanil, owes its existence to an infamous drug company who manufactures it legally in the US. In the issue of immigration, "Native" means "born in the country". It has nothing to do with native American Indians. I can vouch for Hispanics. i know multitude of Hispanics from Mexico, central and south America. I was born in a Hispanic country. I know their families, their customs, their language. They are good people. Quote
Guest wake up Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Hasn't the USA been built on immigration from beginning? It is difficult to discuss with Guest Woke because he is very opinionated. It is a bit unjust to blame the Europeans on the immigrants and refugees as if the Europeans wanted them. Maybe the US would be advised to invest more into the Central American countries instead of just seeing these countries as export markets. I doubt that the American economy is doing better because of Trump. There is no evidence that any increase can be attributed to his policy. Besides the tax reduction did he have any? The only thing I can see that Trump is eroding the basis on which the US has been built on. By the way Guest Woke is wrong to say that Obama was the most bellicose president. it's the opposite he never started any wars he only inherited a few. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been the mess in Syria. Even if Obama was a weak President, Trump is worse due to his character flaws and low intelligence. I don't think he is the guy who is fit to do that job. I want to stop here as I predict that otherwise I receive myriads of replies... Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Guest wake up said: Hasn't the USA been built on immigration from beginning? ---- etc. ---- I want to stop here as I predict that otherwise I receive myriads of replies... Your post shows that you are well awake, and well informed on world events. It is not bad to receive myriads of replies if it gives one the opportunity to correct false ideas propagated through deception, lies, brain washing. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, upshot said: It is nearly comical to see how this little guy "zach hing?" is so naive in his thinking. He must have ZERO life experience. He frowns when referring to progressive ideas, sign that he has been completely brain-washed and he probably was born and fed with a silver spoon. Quote
MUSCBOY93 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, Steve5380 said: I am really sorry that you have been so misinformed! The caravans of refugees that are stopped at the US border don't come from 500 m away, but from Central America. You can see on the map how far away this is. When Trump boasted that Mexicans are criminals, he didn't qualify his wrong statement with "illegal". And even then, he would have been wrong. There are a million Dreamers who came to the US without papers. They are NOT criminals, unless you like to call little children "criminals". Another amazing question you make is WHY the illegals enter illegally. Have you ever put yourself in their shoes? They enter illegally because it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to do it legally. Do you also find UNJUST that severely ill indigents are treated at emergency rooms while those who can pay, or have their insurance pay for them, are charged for the same services? And without doubt the indigent take away hospital space and resources from the paying patients. About the drug crisis, the immigration officials and even the drug lords all confirm that drugs come through the border at the entry ports, not through desolated land without fences. And the biggest opioid offender, Fentanil, owes its existence to an infamous drug company who manufactures it legally in the US. In the issue of immigration, "Native" means "born in the country". It has nothing to do with native American Indians. I can vouch for Hispanics. i know multitude of Hispanics from Mexico, central and south America. I was born in a Hispanic country. I know their families, their customs, their language. They are good people. All that u mentioned is false. What is this : "even the drug lords all confirm that drugs come through the border at the entry ports". That statement is a joke. If children break the law then yes they are criminals. Even worse are the parents who put their children through such circumstances. I asked you so many questions you didnt answer a single one. *****Why did the central american refugees not accept Mexico's asylum offer?***** If the US was that bad why are there so many people flocking to the US? You know hispanic people but thats just anecdotes. "They are good people" they got no criminals? Then explain the high crime rate in Mexico. And to Guest wake up: America was built on immigrants so was SG. So SG should let in illegal immigrants? Those that swim in from JB? Trump isnt against LEGAL immigrants get your facts right. US economy is doing well due to the Trump administration believe it or not. At the end of the day I can only sit back and enjoy the next 6 year of the Trump administration and watch the liberals fight it out among themselves especially in the 2020 election. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, MUSCBOY93 said: All that u mentioned is false. What is this : "even the drug lords all confirm that drugs come through the border at the entry ports". That statement is a joke. If children break the law then yes they are criminals. Even worse are the parents who put their children through such circumstances. I asked you so many questions you didnt answer a single one. *****Why did the central american refugees not accept Mexico's asylum offer?***** I Let's see if we can answer these questions. You said that you asked me many questions of which I didn't answer any. Please show the post where you asked me questions. I couldn't find it, so I have to think that you are a lunatic. The refugees did not take the offer from Mexico because MEXICO IS NEARLY AS BAD as their original countries. Not for nothing do the Mexicans try to enter the US too! Here is an article about what drug lords say about their activities: (and THEY should know, hahaha) https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/12/us/drug-traffickers-el-chapo-trial-drugs-across-border/index.html Yes, if children break the law, they are criminals. But they have to have CRIMINAL INTENT to break criminal law. None of the little children I know, Hispanics, Americans, Whatever, have any consciousness of immigration laws. Maybe your experience is different? 22 minutes ago, MUSCBOY93 said: Trump isnt against LEGAL immigrants get your facts right. US economy is doing well due to the Trump administration believe it or not. At the end of the day I can only sit back and enjoy the next 6 year of the Trump administration and watch the liberals fight it out among themselves especially in the 2020 election. You may not remember the 2016 campaign where Trump promised that he would send ALL the undocumented immigrants back to Mexico. The 10+ million!! And he promised to build a tall concrete wall on the border, coast to coast, and Mexico would pay for it. Were these promises based on any reality, or just political rhetoric? Can this be anything but appealing to those who hate Mexican immigrants? On a personal basis there are no differences between "legal" and "illegal". Immigrants are IMMIGRANTS first. If they have papers or not depends on laws that are far from being perfect or just. "Illegals" can instantly become "legals" if a law accepts them as such. And this is much, much more practical and rational than all that what is happening now, with tremendous human suffering. Hopefully you find something more positive and moral to enjoy than watching 6 years of political fights. It is always possible that the outcome of such fight will not be what you wish. Could this become your karma? . Edited February 27, 2019 by Steve5380 Quote
Guest Woke Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Steve5380 said: Let's see if we can answer these questions. You said that you asked me many questions of which I didn't answer any. Please show the post where you asked me questions. I couldn't find it, so I have to think that you are a lunatic. The refugees did not take the offer from Mexico because MEXICO IS NEARLY AS BAD as their original countries. Not for nothing do the Mexicans try to enter the US too! Here is an article about what drug lords say about their activities: (and THEY should know, hahaha) https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/12/us/drug-traffickers-el-chapo-trial-drugs-across-border/index.html Yes, if children break the law, they are criminals. But they have to have CRIMINAL INTENT to break criminal law. None of the little children I know, Hispanics, Americans, Whatever, have any consciousness of immigration laws. Maybe your experience is different? You obviously didnt read the post. And you believing the drug lord just prove that you are more than naive. Not very smart are you? FYI You can still be a criminal without an intent. Lastly As a refugee you dont get to pick and choose which country you want. Beggers cant be choosers. Even the international law states that. Since you are so well versed in law. You should know that. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Guest Woke said: You obviously didnt read the post. And you believing the drug lord just prove that you are more than naive. Not very smart are you? FYI You can still be a criminal without an intent. Lastly As a refugee you dont get to pick and choose which country you want. Beggers cant be choosers. Even the international law states that. Since you are so well versed in law. You should know that. You seem to confirm what I suspected, that you "Guest Woke" are member MUSCBOY93 trying to remain anonymous. Any reason you are fearful or embarrassed to post under your membership? Embarrassed for being so fanatic, obsessed with negative ideologies? A little child cannot be thought of, considered, charged as a criminal even if he was an unaware participant in an act that contravened some law. But if you still think so and accept this, haven't you received any education with some moral principles? The information from the drug lord is very credible. Do you think they would easily cross the border to be apprehended shortly thereafter? Your idea that refugees cannot choose their destination may not be correct. Here is some information: https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ Quote
MUSCBOY93 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve5380 said: You seem to confirm what I suspected, that you "Guest Woke" are member MUSCBOY93 trying to remain anonymous. Any reason you are fearful or embarrassed to post under your membership? Embarrassed for being so fanatic, obsessed with negative ideologies? A little child cannot be thought of, considered, charged as a criminal even if he was an unaware participant in an act that contravened some law. But if you still think so and accept this, haven't you received any education with some moral principles? The information from the drug lord is very credible. Do you think they would easily cross the border to be apprehended shortly thereafter? Your idea that refugees cannot choose their destination may not be correct. Here is some information: https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ The one who needs education on morals are the parents who tries to smuggle the children across the borders. Yet you blame trump and law enforcement for enforcing the law. The US is not a charity organisation. It must care for its citizens first and foremost, regardless of whether the refugees are infants or otherwise. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, MUSCBOY93 said: The one who needs education on morals are the parents who tries to smuggle the children across the borders. Yet you blame trump and law enforcement for enforcing the law. The US is not a charity organisation. It must care for its citizens first and foremost, regardless of whether the refugees are infants or otherwise. Contrary to you I am a US citizen with all the right to decide what my country should be. My country should be a strict preserver of individual rights, no matter if the individual is documented or not. Parents have the right to preserve their children, and no Trump and no law enforcement should take them away and lose them. The law should care for and protect every individual who is within the country, and only prosecute REAL crimes. You are far away in Singapore, and if your country's law enforcers have proof that you had sex with another man and punishes you with jail and fine, ... let's see if you will still think about the absolute necessity for enforcing the laws. Quote
MUSCBOY93 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Just so you know Obama and Clinton both condemned illegal aliens and changed their stance much later when Trump ran in 2016. Quote
Steve5380 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 59 minutes ago, MUSCBOY93 said: Just so you know Obama and Clinton both condemned illegal aliens and changed their stance much later when Trump ran in 2016. Not only Obama and Clinton but everyone, me included, we are against immigrants entering illegally. But we are even more against draconian anti-immigrant measures like Trump's zero-humanity policy. What is needed is a decent way of legalize the undocumented immigrants already in this country, and accept new immigrants with VALID reasons to come here. For many years the democrats under Obama have been trying to fix the immigration laws, like giving residency to the Dreamers. There was even a bipartisan initiative to do this, but it was blocked by the Republican controlled House. Republicans are against Hispanic immigration because they are afraid that, when they become citizens, they will vote for the Democrats. And the White conservatives in general are afraid that they will soon lose the majority of the population, which will happen sooner or later. Quote
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 just cane the illegal immigrants and overstayers, it works here, America should bring back judicial caning, then the Mex will not come back not at least until the wound heals. heard it takes 8 months to a year. Anyway , if America had helped the economies of central america to grow, these people would not have to sneak into US to work in jobs Yanks shun. Quote
tomcat Posted February 28, 2019 Posted February 28, 2019 https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt5qwnCnsTW/ I think he is a figure of change, even though he is not aware of it. sometimes the universe has a way of using you as a tool. or in this case, using him because he is a tool. Quote 🌑🌒🌓🌔🌕🌖🌗🌘🌑
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