Groping on Public train & Bus Experience

[cottonwool]

Do anyone have any sharing of groping on public train or bus during peak period? Lol 

[Guest Chiva Som]

When I was studying in Chicago, I use the subway (mrt) to commute to school and home. One Summer evening on the way to the airport, while on a crowded train, an indian elderly man sat next to me pretending to read the news paper. It was crowded but we were both seated. His paper overlapped onto my side and onto my thigh. I thought nothing of it until I feel someone touching my upper thigh under the paper. At first, I thought he was just moving around to leaf the paper but the stroking n brushes continued. I was shocked (bcos tt time not gay yet) and I turned to him. He pretended like nothing was going on n continued "reading". Shamefully, I was turned on n let him have his way with me acting coy under a raging hard on. 

 

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[Guest Blank]

Hope to see your face and name on straits times big big

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Chiva Som said:

When I was studying in Chicago, I use the subway (mrt) to commute to school and home. One Summer evening on the way to the airport, while on a crowded train, an indian elderly man sat next to me pretending to read the news paper. It was crowded but we were both seated. His paper overlapped onto my side and onto my thigh. I thought nothing of it until I feel someone touching my upper thigh under the paper. At first, I thought he was just moving around to leaf the paper but the stroking n brushes continued. I was shocked (bcos tt time not gay yet) and I turned to him. He pretended like nothing was going on n continued "reading". Shamefully, I was turned on n let him have his way with me acting coy under a raging hard on. 

 

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THAT was the time to be indignant and brush the hand of the pervert away!

Not when being in a gay sauna  and a shy needy uncle dares to touch you.

[Easy_man]

8 hours ago, Chiva Som said:

When I was studying in Chicago, I use the subway (mrt) to commute to school and home. One Summer evening on the way to the airport, while on a crowded train, an indian elderly man sat next to me pretending to read the news paper. It was crowded but we were both seated. His paper overlapped onto my side and onto my thigh. I thought nothing of it until I feel someone touching my upper thigh under the paper. At first, I thought he was just moving around to leaf the paper but the stroking n brushes continued. I was shocked (bcos tt time not gay yet) and I turned to him. He pretended like nothing was going on n continued "reading". Shamefully, I was turned on n let him have his way with me acting coy under a raging hard on. 

 

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This type of encounter sounds like one of those Jap porn shorts - they have bold ridiculous things on bus or train and no one else on bus bothers. 

[cityhallguy]

9 hours ago, Easy_man said:

This type of encounter sounds like one of those Jap porn shorts - they have bold ridiculous things on bus or train and no one else on bus bothers. 

 

Haha... that’s what I did when I was working in Tokyo, Japan. My office and my resident apartment were located nearby Yotsuya station and once I knocked off at 520pm, I will quickly go back to my apartment and change to a casual dress to board the JR train. I will alight at Shinjukun station, where’s lots of workers stopped at this station to transit other lines. I will then go to transit to the circle line which towards to North, and queued behind a mature executive I like. Then once the train came, all people starts to squeeze in the cart, I made sure I stand closely to my target, then once the door closed and train moved. My dirty hands started to move towards my target. Lol... I did exactly what the hentai I watched. Of course, not every day was a lucky day to me, firstly is not easy to find the target that you like. Secondly, the crowd was only from city Centre to sub urban and rural area plus the peak hours was between 6pm to about 730pm. So once your train travel to much further away from the city Centre, you can groped him anymore because others can see. What I did was just go back to city center and then board another crowded train. Thirdly, you have to be blessed and relied on your luck that you don’t get caught. Lastly, is really very crowded and before you get a chance to grope your target, you may be lifted in the air because it was very crowded ( have that experience number of times.

There are two memorable moments I had, one was standing behind a beefy mature executive man in the center of the cart and we both got sandwiched in between. I always place my penis position at 12 o’clock, so it was nicely sit against that mature executive ass. I guess initially, he didn’t notice but when I got erected, he sorted of wriggled his body. Then I started more daring, by putting my hand around his waist and went to feel his bulge. I was groping him about 10-15mins and then he alighted so am I, he did look back once we get out of the cart and then turn his head immediately and walked down the stairs. 

The other memorable moment was a young African man wearing a basketball short and board the train same as me at Yotsuya station. I boarded the train first and then he was later. I was holding the center pole with left hand and my right hand was free on my side. He was standing on my right side facing my shoulder, then crowd started to come, he was moving nearer to me and I touched his bulge. I thought he will move away as it was not too crowded, and he didn’t. Then my hand started to feel his erection and I did look down and saw his short was raising. However, he was not my cup of tea, so I only groped him or rubbed his pole like 5mins and I alighted at Shinjukun station in the hope of finding my right target thinking that I will since I got a good start. LOL.... but no encounters after that, did regret about it so boarded a train to Ueno and walked to 24Kaikan to find hope.

[Guest guest]

Anyone manage to make a straight guy erect or even cum on a train?

[cottonwool]

Thanks Chiva & Cityhallguy for the interesting sharings. ^^

[cottonwool]

Usually it'll be peak period in the morning whereby office hours begin from 8 to 9am. So far west area like Jurong east will fill in with crowd of people but nothing seem to be happened. It's squeezy like hell but for circle line will be much different. I will observe & target my target during the queue while waiting for the train to arrive. Mostly I preferred guys will wear office wear or soft material shorts/pants to touch their private part when the train jerk. When they squeeze in, I'm behind them but if they block by using their hands or bags, you're unlucky. If they've reaction & will reject by moving away gently orelse, they'll look down as they're aware they're being molested/groped. Hahaha~ I encountered one of the cases were great. He was a china guy wearing soft material pants & I'm infront of the door. It was super squeezy indeed and my left hand could touch his there but I don't want to do it obvious. When the train jerk, I striked so it would make like unintentionally. When the train reach another station, crowd will move out so I used the chance to touch his there a few times. Felt his dick head but no erection. So nice could touch quite long & open. He got not much response.

[kratos]

This thread is really disturbing and bordering on illegal molestation.

[Guest guest]

How big were his dick and balls? What o'clock did he point his in?

[Guest overboard]

4 minutes ago, kratos said:

This thread is really disturbing and bordering on illegal molestation.

 

Correct. Are Singaporean gays so desperate?

I hope for younger inexperienced gays not to get enticed in trying this at the public transport in Singapore. You are crying for trouble.  Please all wake up. You are clearly going overboard.

[Guest Guest]

@ cityhallguy: thanks for sharing ... are Japanese straight guys homophobic in general? Will they complain or they are just so polite that they won’t?

[firefight]

I was on the train around 640 to 705pm from Raffles Place to Tampines. One foreign dude and one local dude talking about general stuff but the local dude was holding his message bag edge and positioning his hand around his counterpart's groin.. I salute his natural skill n boldness! 

[cityhallguy]

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

@ cityhallguy: thanks for sharing ... are Japanese straight guys homophobic in general? Will they complain or they are just so polite that they won’t?

 

Most Japanese that I encountered were very polite and also conservatives. They were so conservative that only play with own nationality.

Initially when I was in 24Kaikan, I tried to hook up with Japanese but when they knew I couldn’t speak a proper Japanese or when I intro myself in English, they will politely excuse themselves out. I only aware of that when I hooked up a mixed Filipino-Japanese, he told me why I failed to get Japanese for fun. Lol... So started to learn a few basic Japanese sentences and did hit more jackpots. On the other hand, there are some Japanese who can speak English and not so conservatives will hook up with any nationality too.

 

For Japanese straight guys, so far I met them in the public onsen and sento , that I explored they were not homophobic. Maybe they were just horny men that didn’t mind having someone like me, helping them to release. Haha... I only approached them when I rubbed my cock in front of them and if they looked at you and did the same, it means they liked to play too.

[tomcat]

Yup, when I was in Sec 4 - during school holidays, I worked at the arcade at Thomson Plaza. As I was staying at CCK at the time, it meant I would take bus 190 to town. Often I would get the afternoon to night shift, so my timing would be 4pm onwards.

 

At the interchange, I boarded the bendy bus and sat the first seat after the bendy-connector, as it is nearest to the exit door. As it was afternoon, it was not full, only some students and other ppl. During that time, early 2000s, there was no smartphone or apps yet - and I do recall that the nearby mall Lot 1 was very cruisy. I had friends who were molested in the toilet on the library level - some guy barged into his cubicle and jerked him off until he came. such a big deal that there was a school announcement for students to be extra careful at Lot 1.

Anyway, midway as the bus was filling up, there was a sporty musc guy (from what I remembered) - he was tan with spiky hair which was all the rage during that time. He wore a tanktop that showed his arms and berms. He carried a large gym bag. Our eyes met, but being super young and shy, I looked away. Still, he sat down next to me, and already our thighs were touching. As it was pretty harmless, I didn't move and just left it there, enjoying it.

 

As the bus emptied further dropping the people around the neighbourhood, it eventually entered the expressway. This was when he started to do stuff. He picked up his gym bag and put it on his lap, and  took out some kind of pamphlet or brochure. The bag was big enough that it went over my lap as well, which I thought was strange.

 

Slowly, as he held the reading material with one hand, his other hand was under the bag, and starting from the side of my thigh, I could feel a finger lightly stroking. At first, I thought it was just my imagination, but as he wriggled his finger underneath my thigh itself, it was pretty clear what he was doing.

 

I was petrified, heart beating so fast, as it was sexy but also very unexpected and risky. I was worried if I would get caught, honestly. As a kid, that was my first thought.

 

Eventually, he came back around to the top of my thigh, and he actually cupped my groin, slowly massaging and pressing my package. I was too scared to react, and I couldn't tell him to stop, as his own head was down pretending to read. The only thing I could do was look out the window to my right, wishing it was over. A few times, I did remember him looking up, to check my expression, maybe because I was only half-hard. I was too petrified to look at him.

 

When the bus approached the end of the expressway, I mustered the courage to take my bag and got up. As I had to connect with another bus, I had to wait at the same busstop, and saw him peering out as the bus continued on its way. He looked a bit confused, and I felt kinda shaken having survived my first molestation.

I didn't think he would go that far, at one point, he tried to unzip me, and I think he took my silence as consent. At 16, I also looked a few years older, having developed early, so maybe he also mistook me as someone much older? I was dressed in a t-shirt, which was tight and also black dress pants, which was part of the uniform. 

Since then, I had a bit of anxiety about seeing that stranger again. I was so green back then, that the whole incident was more traumatic than sexual. Even today, when I recall, it is not a sexy memory, despite him technically not being bad looking.  

 

[cottonwool]

Nice story sharing but he's so bold to do that to you. 

[darrenpanfried]

5 hours ago, tomcat said:

Yup, when I was in Sec 4 - during school holidays, I worked at the arcade at Thomson Plaza. As I was staying at CCK at the time, it meant I would take bus 190 to town. Often I would get the afternoon to night shift, so my timing would be 4pm onwards.

 

At the interchange, I boarded the bendy bus and sat the first seat after the bendy-connector, as it is nearest to the exit door. As it was afternoon, it was not full, only some students and other ppl. During that time, early 2000s, there was no smartphone or apps yet - and I do recall that the nearby mall Lot 1 was very cruisy. I had friends who were molested in the toilet on the library level - some guy barged into his cubicle and jerked him off until he came. such a big deal that there was a school announcement for students to be extra careful at Lot 1.

Anyway, midway as the bus was filling up, there was a sporty musc guy (from what I remembered) - he was tan with spiky hair which was all the rage during that time. He wore a tanktop that showed his arms and berms. He carried a large gym bag. Our eyes met, but being super young and shy, I looked away. Still, he sat down next to me, and already our thighs were touching. As it was pretty harmless, I didn't move and just left it there, enjoying it.

 

As the bus emptied further dropping the people around the neighbourhood, it eventually entered the expressway. This was when he started to do stuff. He picked up his gym bag and put it on his lap, and  took out some kind of pamphlet or brochure. The bag was big enough that it went over my lap as well, which I thought was strange.

 

Slowly, as he held the reading material with one hand, his other hand was under the bag, and starting from the side of my thigh, I could feel a finger lightly stroking. At first, I thought it was just my imagination, but as he wriggled his finger underneath my thigh itself, it was pretty clear what he was doing.

 

I was petrified, heart beating so fast, as it was sexy but also very unexpected and risky. I was worried if I would get caught, honestly. As a kid, that was my first thought.

 

Eventually, he came back around to the top of my thigh, and he actually cupped my groin, slowly massaging and pressing my package. I was too scared to react, and I couldn't tell him to stop, as his own head was down pretending to read. The only thing I could do was look out the window to my right, wishing it was over. A few times, I did remember him looking up, to check my expression, maybe because I was only half-hard. I was too petrified to look at him.

 

When the bus approached the end of the expressway, I mustered the courage to take my bag and got up. As I had to connect with another bus, I had to wait at the same busstop, and saw him peering out as the bus continued on its way. He looked a bit confused, and I felt kinda shaken having survived my first molestation.

I didn't think he would go that far, at one point, he tried to unzip me, and I think he took my silence as consent. At 16, I also looked a few years older, having developed early, so maybe he also mistook me as someone much older? I was dressed in a t-shirt, which was tight and also black dress pants, which was part of the uniform. 

Since then, I had a bit of anxiety about seeing that stranger again. I was so green back then, that the whole incident was more traumatic than sexual. Even today, when I recall, it is not a sexy memory, despite him technically not being bad looking.  

 

 

It does sound familiar. Like you I have enountered them when I take buses, trains and at public toilets. It started when I was in primary school, I often wondered why grown men would stare at me and gave lewd hand gestures. In secondary school I would get groped on buses and trains. It only stopped when I became more aware and shouted at them. So don’t be afraid to stand up against molesters. 

Edited July 26, 2019 by darrenpanfried

[Guest Try and see]

6 hours ago, tomcat said:

I do recall that the nearby mall Lot 1 was very cruisy. I had friends who were molested in the toilet on the library level - some guy barged into his cubicle and jerked him off until he came. such a big deal that there was a school announcement for students to be extra careful at Lot 1.

 

Walao eh!!!

Was your friend gay or straight?

[Straightcurious]

Wouldnt mind getting touched on bus rides feels q safe double deck on top if not crowded and discreetly

[cottonwool]

Gayslutty - It's common. Lol I seldom encountered.

 

Straightcurious - Haha~ let me help you.

[cottonwool]

Anymore sharings?

[LeanMature]

On 7/27/2019 at 8:52 AM, Straightcurious said:

Wouldnt mind getting touched on bus rides feels q safe double deck on top if not crowded and discreetly

 

But you have to give signal that you wouldn't mind getting touched.

[Guest KL VIrgin]

I had one encounter before on the monorail. It was in the morning with the platform filled up with people. In front of me is a group of foreigner guys with this guy wearing a sweat pants and can see his tool from outside. I purposely let them enter the monorail and I stand directly in front of him with my back facing him. I start to move and feel his tool with my butt together in the shaky monorail. Before he got off, I can see he had a hard on down there. hehe

[tyan]

U all so lucky. I think I have never had such encounters on bus or train before. 

[LeanMature]

Better be safe than sorry.  Nowadays touching a man's thigh is also called molestation. 

[Cruising]

Was in Bangkok taking the train during off office hours.. It was so crowded I was pushed facing towards a cute thai guy.. Our body is touching.. My hands were up holding the pole on top.. when the train move, I can feel his hand knocking on my crotch.. Kinda got me hard and he continues to rub his hands on me.. I left after a few station cause it's too crowded inside i might suffocate inside 

[Guest Masc btm]

On 7/26/2019 at 6:18 AM, cityhallguy said:

 

Most Japanese that I encountered were very polite and also conservatives. They were so conservative that only play with own nationality.

Initially when I was in 24Kaikan, I tried to hook up with Japanese but when they knew I couldn’t speak a proper Japanese or when I intro myself in English, they will politely excuse themselves out. I only aware of that when I hooked up a mixed Filipino-Japanese, he told me why I failed to get Japanese for fun. Lol... So started to learn a few basic Japanese sentences and did hit more jackpots. On the other hand, there are some Japanese who can speak English and not so conservatives will hook up with any nationality too.

 

For Japanese straight guys, so far I met them in the public onsen and sento , that I explored they were not homophobic. Maybe they were just horny men that didn’t mind having someone like me, helping them to release. Haha... I only approached them when I rubbed my cock in front of them and if they looked at you and did the same, it means they liked to play too.

Yes, most Japanese are socially conservative yet sexually active in a male chauvinist pig way.

 

Conservative by not bringing attention to themselves; if it's not a big problem, they'll just bear with it rather than confront.

Male chauvinistic pig thinking they are always desirable to women.

That's where the gays in Japan take advantage of these prim and proper salary men uncles.

 

I too would pick a handsome uncle. Most Japanese men are not good looking but in a crowded train station, oh my god, 1 in a 100 good looking uncles becomes a huge number, some are really gorgeous even. I'll queue up behind him and follow him to squeeze into the train. Its normal to be squeezed with intimate body to body contact.

 

That's where their public nudity in onsens helped to remove any shyness of close male contacts or seeing another male's hard cock. Even not-normal like my raging hardon rubbing his thighs or buttocks is tolerated as sometimes normal male virility. Even when I rub on his hand, he'll not flinch if I don't look him in the eyes with lecherous smile.

 

But sometimes when I meet a really gorgeous one, I can't help but overstep the line by trying to snuggle closer to his gorgeous face and look at him with lecherous smile. This time he'll know and instead of being outraged, he'll sometimes blush like a little girl, so adorable. They're brought up thinking of being the sexual predator and mcp treating women like sex objects.

 

Now that they're at the receiving end of the sexual molestation, they're at a loss of what to do. Also my muscular body intimidates them too. They're are sensitive creatures who likes being desirable even if to another male. The midnight naughty shows like to use gay naughtiness to embarrass the straights like getting gays to openly show lusty looks at them. So they are aware of gay naughtiness. 

 

Of course, I'll carefully observe his reaction and body language. If he looked angry then I'll back away. Most times he'll try to put on a poker face yet sometimes steal a quick glance at me. Whenever the train jerks, I'll throw myself onto his face and he won't try to avoid me.  

[Guest guest]

I read this chinese porn story some years ago where the narrator spots young guy pickpocketing on a crowded train. He just discretely gropes the thief and touches his cock and balls while the thief can't do anything because he is afraid the narrator will alert everyone that the stolen wallet is in his bag. Eventually the poor thief gets stroked till he cannot take it and cums in his pants.

[Guest m2qt2bstr8]

I once had an encounter on EW line where I was standing in the coach where there are no seats. There was this guy standing in front of me and his ass was bumping into my crotch. At first I wasn’t paying attention, but after reaching one station, some people have alighted but this guy did not move at all. As the journey continues, his ass continued to touch my crotch and of course I got hard. When more people alighted on the next station, he didn’t have a choice but to move to another location as the crowd become smaller and we would be in an awkward position for other passengers. He looked at me and he smiled.

[cottonwool]

Wow~ nice sharings & thanks guys. Just beware will do. 

[Straightcurious]

On 7/30/2019 at 9:09 AM, LeanMature said:

 

But you have to give signal that you wouldn't mind getting touched.

Normally i will put my bag on the floor and open my legs slightly.. dk how else

[LeanMature]

11 hours ago, Straightcurious said:

Normally i will put my bag on the floor and open my legs slightly.. dk how else

 

Using your hand to touch his thigh is an offence.  So use your thigh to touch his thigh. 

[tyan]

On 7/31/2019 at 6:32 PM, Guest m2qt2bstr8 said:

I once had an encounter on EW line where I was standing in the coach where there are no seats. There was this guy standing in front of me and his ass was bumping into my crotch. At first I wasn’t paying attention, but after reaching one station, some people have alighted but this guy did not move at all. As the journey continues, his ass continued to touch my crotch and of course I got hard. When more people alighted on the next station, he didn’t have a choice but to move to another location as the crowd become smaller and we would be in an awkward position for other passengers. He looked at me and he smiled.

And nothing happen after that. So sad! U should approach him 

[cottonwool]

Anymore interesting sharing? ^^

[bluerunner]

SMRT/SBS is getting tough on molesters. Better be careful if you try to grope another person in the train or in the bus. 

[NudeBro]

On 7/27/2019 at 8:52 AM, Straightcurious said:

Wouldnt mind getting touched on bus rides feels q safe double deck on top if not crowded and discreetly

I frequently rub my crotch when on top deck of a bus. Position so cam cannot see. Even go a few long strokes

[Red_martian]

30 minutes ago, NudeBro said:

I frequently rub my crotch when on top deck of a bus. Position so cam cannot see. Even go a few long strokes

Which bus u take..id love to be next chair to u..hihihi

[Straightcurious]

2 hours ago, NudeBro said:

I frequently rub my crotch when on top deck of a bus. Position so cam cannot see. Even go a few long strokes

Haha when I was younger like maybe 4 years ago I jerked off in the bus before on the top deck 

[fitbi]

was being brushed off my groin area as i entered the mrt, got a shock cos the brushing part was fast and he looked back at me with a smirk.

[Guest Fuze]

Are you guys really so desperate that you resort to molesting innocent men in public transport? 

[cottonwool]

Aww~ nice. 

[G_M]

Anyone caught posting about underage guys will get suspended.

[LeanMature]

On 8/3/2019 at 9:07 AM, fitbi said:

was being brushed off my groin area as i entered the mrt, got a shock cos the brushing part was fast and he looked back at me with a smirk.

 

How do you feel ?  Shiok or disgusted ?

[Guest Cleanly Teacher]

Using this thread to brag about groping innocent victims is abhorrent!

 

If posters want to reveal and discuss experiences that happened to them as a way of warning others to be careful or just to get it off their minds, that is fine, but boasting about what might be perceived of by the victim as a criminal action is completely unacceptable.

 

Such inconsiderateness is a part of why so many straights hate gays!

[cottonwool]

Anymore sharings? ^^

[Guest Nick1969]

Back in the day before the MRT came and air-condition buses covered the estates in the East I would often take a bus home just after my shift which ran the old roads along old Tampines road and Loyang which was a joy as it sometimes meant opportunities. There was this day when it was pouring when I boarded and as it got to the long roads it was already almost empty. The driver had stopped and come to the top where I was alone and closed most of the windows which were manual then to ensure the seats stayed dry  so I knew he wouldn't come up again. It was then a stranger came up and by the way he was checking out the seats I knew something was up as he positioned himself in back . He smiled at me as he walked past and I nodded in return. I found it strange that he sat in the middle across the aisle in full view and kept stealing glances and sure enough in a few minutes he began undressing, first taking off his rain coat exposing a lean cut in a Nike tank top but still skin glistening with rain likely after being soaked in the down pour. It was during a few more glances that I noticed he had his long cut dick hanging out and he was stroking it gently. I smiled and licked my lips giving him the signal I was enjoying the show and he quickly moved to the seat opposite me. He had his duffel bag beside him just in case an unexpected person come up. He smiled and continued pumping his tool which was by then erect and long. I was in my shorts and track jumper after changing from my shift to avoid getting my work pants wet and started raising them higher to expose my thighs and outline of a hard on and he inched beside me. Looking at the stairwell he squeezed beside me and I felt the warmth of his hand on my thighs inching upward and then he grabbed my hand and placed it on his huge tool! The warmth generating from it was nice as I fondled his balls and he leaned back moaning! "Nice and so shiok" he muttered as he squeezed my palm around his thick member. I wanted him so badly on this cold wet rainy night and as his fingers slipped into my undies I leaned forward and sucked his crown. He gasped and pushed my head down and I filled my throat with his huge anaconda taking him deeper and gagging a little. The sensation of my tongue massaging his shaft must have turned him on and he began fingering my hole and thrusting his pelvis. He came in minutes and  shuddered as I continued to suck hard and deep filling my mouth with warm cum! I was hungry and sucked him dry while massaging his balls and milking every drop of cum. As I licked my lips and took a sip of Sprite and  I went down on him again giving him a buzz as I sucked harder and he grew limp. We ended the adventure with him jerking me off and licking and sucking my nipples which were erect and yearning for his warm lips, he was sooo good and when I checked the next morning there were teeth marks around my swollen nipples. I had about 2-3 other encounters on that route before they changed to fully air-con buses and installed more mirrors and cameras. Those were the days!

[cottonwool]

Nice story sharing. ^^ Thumbs up.

[Guest Guest]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/nus-senior-lecturer-jailed-for-molesting-undergrad-on-crowded-campus-shuttle
 

Four minutes of pleasure cost the senior lecturer his job and 14 weeks jail. Wow! 
 

Will we face the same kind of situation? Guys who got molested went to complain?

[cottonwool]

True but you must thought of it, he lost control and did not act naturally that caused alert of that undergrad student. He did it deliberately. Probably we'll so must be cautious and even an uncle was caught red handed by the mrt station officer/police showing an lower secondary boy an obscene act who complained. If you put an act seems an accident, it should be alright.