Soon u will have an option shield or mask

[Guest Guest]

Which one u prefer. Soon u will  have an option. 

[Guest Guest]

Either one will be accepted.  Which is ur choice? 

[single42]

can shut this lame thread down..??

[Guest Mask]

 

SINGAPORE: While plastic face shields can be used in place of masks while out and about in Singapore, experts advise that surgical or reusable masks should be worn as well for effective protection.

 

The issue has stirred debate online. In a post in the Facebook group, Singapore Foodie Group, that has since been removed, one person asked if wearing a face shield alone is sufficient.

 

The answer, according to the Ministry of Health, is yes. On its website, it states any mask - including plastic face shields - can be worn as this offers "adequate basic protection" for people who need to leave their homes during the "circuit breaker" period. 

 

Singapore's Defence Science and Technology Agency announced earlier this month that it was producing such face shields locally to support frontline workers, supplying them to public agencies such as the Singapore Armed Forces and the Land Transport Authority.

 

But infectious disease experts caution that such face shields provide limited protection and should be worn together with other masks in order to be effective. 

 

“It is important to note that the use of plastic face shields is primarily aimed at minimising droplet exposure to the eyes and other parts of the face not covered by the face mask - protecting oneself from others - and to minimise projections of droplets too, protecting others from oneself,” said Professor Teo Yik Ying, dean of the National University of Singapore's Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health.

 

“Such droplets may be projected when someone coughs or sneezes, or even in the normal course of conversations.”

Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious disease specialist from the Mount Elizabeth Novena Hospital, said such face shields would not be useful for most members of the public. 

 

“It does not replace the surgical masks or the reusable cloth masks,” he said. 

 

Dr Leong noted that in the healthcare line, such face shields are often used in place of goggles, which can be uncomfortable if worn for long periods of time.

The open nature of the face shield protects users against “more forceful projections” but does not completely eliminate exposure or dissipation of droplets, Prof Teo noted. 

 

“As such, the proper use of plastic face shields should still be accompanied by an appropriate face mask,” he added. 

For healthcare workers, this refers to either surgical or N95 face masks, given that they work in a high-risk setting with the possibility of exposure to aerosolised particles and droplets, he said. 

 

Meanwhile, for members of the public, who are in a “generally lower-risk setting”, reusable cloth masks can be used instead, said Prof Teo. 

Though the use of face masks was previously encouraged only for those who are sick, the use of such masks while outside was made mandatory on Apr 14 as part of efforts to stem the spread of COVID-19.

 

Those who refuse to wear a mask face a S$300 for a first offence, and a S$1,000 fine for a second offence. 

 

On Apr 17, three days after the measure was introduced, about 100 people were fined for not wearing masks while in public.  

 

Source: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/plastic-face-shields-can-be-used-but-masks-should-be-worn-12680150

 

[Steve5380]

A plastic shield could perhaps be adequate protection of others from the infectious mist released by the wearer,

but it may not be sufficient protection of the wearer himself from a cloud of infectious mist hanging still around from the release of others.

 

Better than the plastic shield alone is to wear it with the face mask, or to wear the face mask with glasses or goggles.

[Guest guest]

Face shield is good for people who work in office whole day, and yet they did not need to meet people. If you are at public places or frontline, wearing only face shield might expose yourself to others people if they are sick.

[Guest Stoopid]

9 hours ago, Guest guest said:

Face shield is good for people who work in office whole day, and yet they did not need to meet people. If you are at public places or frontline, wearing only face shield might expose yourself to others people if they are sick.

Convit-19 virus does not float one dimensional direction.  Once they get out of human body, they travell  like haze,  face shield cannot protect you as it leaves too much open gap.

[Guest guest]

6 minutes ago, Guest Stoopid said:

Convit-19 virus does not float one dimensional direction.  Once they get out of human body, they travell  like haze,  face shield cannot protect you as it leaves too much open gap.

You sound like covid is airborne? Actually i find masks protect your nose and mouth, how come eyes and ears do not consider an expose area to contract virus also?

[Guest See?]

If convit virus has smell. Once you detected the smell you are infected. Mask is better than shield. 

[mate69]

Neither. So hard to breathe 

[Guest Statistician]

1 hour ago, Guest guest said:

You sound like covid is airborne? Actually i find masks protect your nose and mouth, how come eyes and ears do not consider an expose area to contract virus also?

You need to look at ei effectiveness of protection vs si social costs.

 

The maximum ei is to lock everybody up like Wuhan but the social costs si is enormously crippling. But then when they tried to suppress information and caused the infections to explode then there's no choice but to lock down.

It's the typical case of a stitch in time saves 9, if they had even taken early simplest steps to isolate and use face masks instead of trying to hide the truth. They even let them fly out for new year travels when it's already confirmed as human to human spreading to show that China is prosperous to afford extensive travels. That's where it bombed the whole world. Our first cases were those from Wuhan, it's a direct consequence of that show off. 

WHO knew about the speedy spread by then and for a world body trusted with authority, they are amateur to not take caution on the safety side. That stupid advice of only wearing masks by those feeling unwell is so amateur like uneducated people who don't even know the deadly spread of virus like flus or SARS.

That 2nd mistake missed the opportunity for early circuit break with minimal si of wearing masks etc.

 

Then Trump also underestimated the power of this virus thinking it's no more than just another common cold. Then the religious nuts there insisted they are protected by holy prayers and this virus is the biblical plague they hoped and prayed is divine punishment for those unbelievers. So they invoked their freedom of religion to defy isolation. Trump even cheered their demonstrations. Then the virus exploded in USA. Now Trump painted himself into a blood stained corner and barked like a deranged dog.

 

Yes, eyes and ears can also contract virus too. The social costs of wearing gas masks for TOTAL ppa is too prohibitive to be practical. But then they are less and smaller targets so we have to accept what we can do balancing ei vs si. At least it's much more done than in the beginning.

 

Japan used common sense of “the three Cs,” referring to closed spaces with poor ventilation, crowded places with many people nearby and close-contact settings such as close-range conversations. The Japanese already have meticulous cleanliness of considerate social grace that they don't even need much government intervention to control the spread, unlike China where everybody expected the iron fists controls will solve everything. But it's the arrogance of government officials who can arrest people for "shouting fire" thinking that will stop the fire, instead the fire exploded countrywide. I don't pity these sheep, they deserve the government for seeing and yet not doing anything.

 

We in sg now know that worker dorms and old folks homes failed the 3C so no need to impose heavy CB on the rest of us. 

 

The community infection rate is rather low, so just wear masks, thinning the crowd, manage the 3C of mrt, popular markets, supermarkets etc and the low low infection rate is manageable without the high social costs of this CB. 

For people in sparse areas like the open uncrowded areas, open roads, face shields would be enough. 

 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Statistician said:

You need to look at ei effectiveness of protection vs si social costs.

 

The maximum ei is to lock everybody up like Wuhan but the social costs si is enormously crippling. But then when they tried to suppress information and caused the infections to explode then there's no choice but to lock down.

 

Yes, eyes and ears can also contract virus too. The social costs of wearing gas masks for TOTAL ppa is too prohibitive to be practical. But then they are less and smaller targets so we have to accept what we can do balancing ei vs si. At least it's much more done than in the beginning.

 

The community infection rate is rather low, so just wear masks, thinning the crowd, manage the 3C of mrt, popular markets, supermarkets etc and the low low infection rate is manageable without the high social costs of this CB. 

For people in sparse areas like the open uncrowded areas, open roads, face shields would be enough. 

 

 

You like to invent new abbreviations like ei, si?

 

Unfortunately, we cannot do anything to change the past that can be blamed for the present.  The present and future are what is important.

There is no findings of the covid-19 entering a body through the ears.

There is no need for any gas masks.  The virus, although extremely small, can be filtered out, especially in the release of it.   

 

While we can ingest the virus through mouth, nose, eyes,  the virus is only expelled from the body through the exhaling of breath, and then it is inside liquid droplets.

A good face mask that covers the mouth and nose should be effective in catching most viruses a person releases to the outside.

 

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-drifts-through-the-air-in-microscopic-droplets-heres-the-science-of-infectious-aerosols-136663

 

If EVERYONE wears a good face mask, the probability of having contaminated aerosol floating around should be minimal, and so the infection rate should be minimal even if the face mask is not a perfect protection against ingesting the virus.  The cost of this should be minimal,  if...

if everyone cooperates, without exception.

[Guest Statistician]

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You like to invent new abbreviations like ei, si?

 

Unfortunately, we cannot do anything to change the past that can be blamed for the present.  The present and future are what is important.

There is no findings of the covid-19 entering a body through the ears.

There is no need for any gas masks.  The virus, although extremely small, can be filtered out, especially in the release of it.   

 

While we can ingest the virus through mouth, nose, eyes,  the virus is only expelled from the body through the exhaling of breath, and then it is inside liquid droplets.

A good face mask that covers the mouth and nose should be effective in catching most viruses a person releases to the outside.

 

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-drifts-through-the-air-in-microscopic-droplets-heres-the-science-of-infectious-aerosols-136663

 

If EVERYONE wears a good face mask, the probability of having contaminated aerosol floating around should be minimal, and so the infection rate should be minimal even if the face mask is not a perfect protection against ingesting the virus.  The cost of this should be minimal,  if...

if everyone cooperates, without exception.

It's because the present and the future are important, that's why we need to learn from our past.

 

With great powers comes great responsibilities. We common folks make silly mistakes then we take responsibilities for the damages only to ourselves. But leaders who are given wealth, powers and social privileges, have greater responsibilities that don't just affect themselves but the whole community.

 

Incompetent leaders getting power through corrupt gun wielding, or elected by support from religious nuts don't need to be competent, they just need to know how to work the system. We just SMH and do nothing since it won't affect us much. 

 

Now, to learn from the past, there's need for accountabilities instead of more SMH ostrich of "no use crying over spilled milk". Greater powers come greater responsibilities and to caution them to do their jobs for the people and not just getting the great perks for free , we need greater accountability. When there are 300,000+ deaths and more than 5 million infections, we should know the meaning of great responsibilities and the importance of getting competent leaders. If we still let them walk free then the 300,000+ deaths and the unbelievable damages to world economies didn't make us learn anything but it teaches these competent leaders that great power only need greater guns or political support from religious nuts.

 

When I watched those desolations caused by the virus in China through YouTube, I don't feel pity for sufferings of the Chinese because of the vile 粉紅 that unleashed propaganda to "turn black to white". Strangely enough, it's like watching sheep getting slaughtered while the vile 粉紅 shepherded them into the pens. I would at least expect that there'll be enough clever sheep to make a difference. If they don't fight for their freedom, then it's their deaths they deserve.

 

But as part of humanities, I at least expect that we do not condone their leaders and deal with them like dealing with gun crazy drug gangsters. They can burn their country down for all I care but don't spread their fires into my backyard. If they do, I want them held accountable for the damages and not be intimidated by their guns.

[Steve5380]

8 minutes ago, Guest Statistician said:

It's because the present and the future are important, that's why we need to learn from our past.

 

With great powers comes great responsibilities. We common folks make silly mistakes then we take responsibilities for the damages only to ourselves. But leaders who are given wealth, powers and social privileges, have greater responsibilities that don't just affect themselves but the whole community.

 

Incompetent leaders getting power through corrupt gun wielding, or elected by support from religious nuts don't need to be competent, they just need to know how to work the system. We just SMH and do nothing since it won't affect us much. 

 

Now, to learn from the past, there's need for accountabilities instead of more SMH ostrich of "no use crying over spilled milk". Greater powers come greater responsibilities and to caution them to do their jobs for the people and not just getting the great perks for free , we need greater accountability. When there are 300,000+ deaths and more than 5 million infections, we should know the meaning of great responsibilities and the importance of getting competent leaders. If we still let them walk free then the 300,000+ deaths and the unbelievable damages to world economies didn't make us learn anything but it teaches these competent leaders that great power only need greater guns or political support from religious nuts.

 

When I watched those desolations caused by the virus in China through YouTube, I don't feel pity for sufferings of the Chinese because of the vile 粉紅 that unleashed propaganda to "turn black to white". Strangely enough, it's like watching sheep getting slaughtered while the vile 粉紅 shepherded them into the pens. I would at least expect that there'll be enough clever sheep to make a difference. If they don't fight for their freedom, then it's their deaths they deserve.

 

But as part of humanities, I at least expect that we do not condone their leaders and deal with them like dealing with gun crazy drug gangsters. They can burn their country down for all I care but don't spread their fires into my backyard. If they do, I want them held accountable for the damages and not be intimidated by their guns.

 

Statistician,  I agree with most of what you write.

I just wanted to limit the conversation here to face masks and shields.

 

There is an interesting discussion going on in the Members' Lounge about "covid-19 situations outside Singapore and Malaysia".  There I have written plenty about whom I consider one of the most disastrous leaders of modern times,  Mr. Trump.  I definitely hold him accountable for his crimes!  But, as a decent person who is not going to make a terrorist attack to eliminate him, all I do is to vote against him.  I have good hopes for November

 

Ah... the Members' Lounge is out of your reach posting as a Guest.  So hopefully you also have a membership, or you can get one.

[Guest Doit]

On 5/22/2020 at 4:43 PM, Guest Question said:

What about option to suck others??!! 

Then you’ve to use shield

[Guest guest]

Face shield is not commonly accepted in office, and there is no ruling stated in official website that people can wear only face shield in office. So my company does not allow face shield.

[Guest guest]

Not the first time they reverse their decision?!

[Guest guest]

9 minutes ago, Since u r here said:

But never on a nite when cb ends

 

they alwys announce it earlier

Always like this.

[Guest Guest]

Than if hawker center and restaurant  reopen on phase 2.How are we going to eat  with face mask on. Maybe need to cut and sew with a zip to open and eat same time.

[Steve5380]

28 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Dont be stupid since u r here than yr meal will cost $300 instead of $3 once u sit down and eat with your mask remove.

 

Don't hawker places offer the option of taking the food with you, and you can eat it at home,  hopefully without a mask?

[phewphew]

4 hours ago, Since u r here said:

Ooops!  They reverse their decision leh

Now can only masks (unless 12yo kid or below) strictly!  

 

Well the Original post aged like milk XD

[Guest Jester]

On 5/22/2020 at 6:04 PM, Guest Mask said:

 

SINGAPORE: While plastic face shields can be used in place of masks while out and about in Singapore, experts advise that surgical or reusable masks should be worn as well for effective protection.

 

The issue has stirred debate online. In a post in the Facebook group, Singapore Foodie Group, that has since been removed, one person asked if wearing a face shield alone is sufficient.

 

The answer, according to the Ministry of Health, is yes. On its website, it states any mask - including plastic face shields - can be worn as this offers "adequate basic protection" for people who need to leave their homes during the "circuit breaker" period. 

 

Singapore's Defence Science and Technology Agency announced earlier this month that it was producing such face shields locally to support frontline workers, supplying them to public agencies such as the Singapore Armed Forces and the Land Transport Authority.

 

But infectious disease experts caution that such face shields provide limited protection and should be worn together with other masks in order to be effective. 

 

“It is important to note that the use of plastic face shields is primarily aimed at minimising droplet exposure to the eyes and other parts of the face not covered by the face mask - protecting oneself from others - and to minimise projections of droplets too, protecting others from oneself,” said Professor Teo Yik Ying, dean of the National University of Singapore's Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health.

 

“Such droplets may be projected when someone coughs or sneezes, or even in the normal course of conversations.”

Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious disease specialist from the Mount Elizabeth Novena Hospital, said such face shields would not be useful for most members of the public. 

 

“It does not replace the surgical masks or the reusable cloth masks,” he said. 

 

Dr Leong noted that in the healthcare line, such face shields are often used in place of goggles, which can be uncomfortable if worn for long periods of time.

The open nature of the face shield protects users against “more forceful projections” but does not completely eliminate exposure or dissipation of droplets, Prof Teo noted. 

 

“As such, the proper use of plastic face shields should still be accompanied by an appropriate face mask,” he added. 

For healthcare workers, this refers to either surgical or N95 face masks, given that they work in a high-risk setting with the possibility of exposure to aerosolised particles and droplets, he said. 

 

Meanwhile, for members of the public, who are in a “generally lower-risk setting”, reusable cloth masks can be used instead, said Prof Teo. 

Though the use of face masks was previously encouraged only for those who are sick, the use of such masks while outside was made mandatory on Apr 14 as part of efforts to stem the spread of COVID-19.

 

Those who refuse to wear a mask face a S$300 for a first offence, and a S$1,000 fine for a second offence. 

 

On Apr 17, three days after the measure was introduced, about 100 people were fined for not wearing masks while in public.  

 

Source: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/plastic-face-shields-can-be-used-but-masks-should-be-worn-12680150

 

Can wear faceshield tomorrow?