Life Expectancy in Singapore Among the Highest

[Steve5380]

I don't understand it. One reads so many posts by fellow gays in Singapore complaining about their age and their fear that by 50 y.o. they will be OLD, and DEAD by 60, while you guys have about the highest life expectancies in the world.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/public-sector-report-life-expectancy-spor-covid-19-13643488

 

While Singapore is the 4th or 5th in longevity, In my country the US life expectancy has fallen lately,  and we are closer to be in the 50th place!    I assume that having to live with president Trump for four years and his disregard for pandemics can prematurely age any country!  

 

Fortunately one does not need to end at the "life expectancy" year but one can live much longer.  I have already lived longer than the life expectancy of my youngest grandchild, and still have a long road ahead.  

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

First, you would rather disbelieve FOX News and believe in Channel News Asia ???

And secondly, you actually believe in a report prepared by the Singapore Ministry of Finance??? 

 

[keyboard]

Till date, I still don't understand life expectancy. If out of 100k people, 50k could be living any age above that average and 50k could be living below. That is a very big range when considering such a big sample size.

 

For places which are big. Wouldn't certain places influence the numbers, say poorer states vs richer states or like sg case, lack of euthanasia vs medical care that prolong life but not quality.

 

Isn't it in the states that gun violence among certain places keeps the longevity much lower like places in Africa where birth mortality is still high. I stand corrected in case my understanding is wrong on the definition.

[Steve5380]

9 minutes ago, keyboard said:

Till date, I still don't understand life expectancy. If out of 100k people, 50k could be living any age above that average and 50k could be living below. That is a very big range when considering such a big sample size.

 

For places which are big. Wouldn't certain places influence the numbers, say poorer states vs richer states or like sg case, lack of euthanasia vs medical care that prolong life but not quality.

 

Isn't it in the states that gun violence among certain places keeps the longevity much lower like places in Africa where birth mortality is still high. I stand corrected in case my understanding is wrong on the definition.

 

The age where 50k live above and 50k live below is the MEDIAN age, and it should be much lower than the life expectancy  (otherwise there would be as many very old people as young people.  The life expectancy is an AVERAGE over a certain population, of how long the people born in a certain year are estimated to live.  And the estimation is also some statistical determination,  because not many of those born in 2021 have already died.  This must be a complex calculation because, as you say, it depends on so many factors.  Fortunately we only have a number to care about, a rough guide,  and hopefully this number is as high as possible. 

[amicablyalan]

 

https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/themes/mortality-and-global-health-estimates/ghe-life-expectancy-and-healthy-life-expectancy#:~:text=Globally%2C life expectancy has increased,reduced years lived with disability.🤔

 

So I read here from World Health Organisation that our life expectancy overall in the entire world has increased by 6 years from 2000 to 2019.

 

But the increase in years of healthy life has not kept pace.

 

So we may live longer but maybe with sickness.

 

It may be this reason why Singaporeans are worried about. Living with sickness and can't pay the hospital bills. It's worse than death itself. 

 

🤦‍♂️

[keyboard]

Not sure if that's a good thing. A number that's as high as possible. Not sure if there's official statistics provided but a walk at night in Chinatown will reveal lots of old people sleeping on the streets. Granny also had a bad decade before straightening her legs at a ripe 91. Other one had it worse I guess at 86 but more illness over a longer period of time.

 

There's another local forum that have this term. Older folks here are exercising by collecting cardboards. - to sell to help the economy or recycling whichever is the "in" term these days.

[Steve5380]

21 minutes ago, amicablyalan said:

 

So I read here from World Health Organisation that our life expectancy overall in the entire world has increased by 6 years from 2000 to 2019.

 

But the increase in years of healthy life has not kept pace.

 

So we may live longer but maybe with sickness.

 

It may be this reason why Singaporeans are worried about. Living with sickness and can't pay the hospital bills. It's worse than death itself. 

 

 

To increase the years of healthy life,  it is good to have an increase in life too.  

Be an optimist and realize that here the "healthy" is in great extent in your own hands, not in the numbers of the World Health Organization.

If you succeed at having a healthy life, you don't need to worry about hospital bills.

And if you cannot keep healthy forever and if you can't pay the hospital bills, they will see that the better death will come soon.  So, nothing to worry  

 

20 minutes ago, keyboard said:

Not sure if that's a good thing. A number that's as high as possible. Not sure if there's official statistics provided but a walk at night in Chinatown will reveal lots of old people sleeping on the streets. Granny also had a bad decade before straightening her legs at a ripe 91. Other one had it worse I guess at 86 but more illness over a longer period of time.

 

 

You are right that the benefit of a long life is not always for the  person itself.  But it is for the family.  And old persons are often willing to put up with a life in disability to postpone the grief of their beloved ones.   I had an aunt who died at nearly 94 y.o. and her last year was not good for her.  But OH!... would I love to have her still alive (a selfish thought).

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Edited April 5, 2021 by Steve5380

[Guest guest guest]

Old chinese saying,

 

报   喜   不   报   忧。

[keyboard]

Maybe it's different here. For those rich independent aside. I feel there's some sort of hidden we need to take care of the old people because we are also single.

 

Only rich enough people can claim they are taking good care of themselves. I do feel the next generation is better because the current people already know they only can depend on themselves when they get old.

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, keyboard said:

Maybe it's different here. For those rich independent aside. I feel there's some sort of hidden we need to take care of the old people because we are also single.

 

Only rich enough people can claim they are taking good care of themselves. I do feel the next generation is better because the current people already know they only can depend on themselves when they get old.

 

LOLL

[Steve5380]

10 hours ago, keyboard said:

Maybe it's different here. For those rich independent aside. I feel there's some sort of hidden we need to take care of the old people because we are also single.

 

Only rich enough people can claim they are taking good care of themselves. I do feel the next generation is better because the current people already know they only can depend on themselves when they get old.

 

People who are not rich may not claim much, but they can take care of themselves as much as the rich.  A healthy lifestyle does not need to be expensive.  Good food is more expensive sometimes, but we can eat less.  Stress avoidance and reduction we do with our mind.  If we are frugal we won't have big debts to worry about. We can do good exercising without spending much money.  How about money for health care?  There is less of it if we avoid heart disease, diabetes, dental problems, accidental injuries, etc. 

 

Single or not,  to have to take care of another person, disabled or elder, is not a curse but an opportunity for growth.  We can survive this perfectly well with the right mental attitude.

 

Rich and famous people have problems brought by their richness and fame.  Think of poor Meghan Markle who got mentally sick and (claims to have been) close to suicide even living as a duchess in a royal palace. 

[Steve5380]

With such a long life expectancy,  all the gays in Singapore should look forwards to live a long life full of strength.  Take the example of Joe Stockinger, a 89 y.o. guy who is not bound to a wheelchair.   He looks like an Ang Moh,  but why should there be anything an Ang Moh can do that an Asian cannot do as well?

 

 

 

[Guest Delusion is a Crime]

On 4/6/2021 at 10:43 PM, Steve5380 said:

With such a long life expectancy,  all the gays in Singapore should look forwards to live a long life full of strength.  Take the example of Joe Stockinger, a 89 y.o. guy who is not bound to a wheelchair.   He looks like an Ang Moh,  but why should there be anything an Ang Moh can do that an Asian cannot do as well?

 

 

 

At his age, he is doing this to abuse his body.    It was like subjecting a twig under the wheel of a truck and boast about its strength.

[Steve5380]

3 minutes ago, Guest Delusion is a Crime said:

At his age, he is doing this to abuse his body.    It was like subjecting a twig under the wheel of a truck and boast about its strength.

 

It is difficult to determine if this man is abusing his body.  I would not do it in my 80s,  but I don't have a history of weight lifting competition.

 

But he is the PERFECT example.  If he can do what he does, why cannot WE be fully functional at 89,  enough to walk stairs up and down?

[wilfgene]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

It is difficult to determine if this man is abusing his body.  I would not do it in my 80s,  but I don't have a history of weight lifting competition.

 

But he is the PERFECT example.  If he can do what he does, why cannot WE be fully functional at 89,  enough to walk stairs up and down?

After checking own family medical history, please.

And becoming a racist by taking into consideration how common osteoporosis among certain ethnicity is.

[Steve5380]

10 hours ago, wilfgene said:

After checking own family medical history, please.

And becoming a racist by taking into consideration how common osteoporosis among certain ethnicity is.

 

Yes, osteoporosis incidence is race dependent.  And we white men are at the highest risk.

But it is doubtful that this powerlifter has any of it,  thanks to his heavy lifting.  My bones are also perfect thanks to weight lifting.

 

This man Joe Stockinger is not slowing down.  Here is another article where at 90 y.o he keeps lifting the same weights.

This is amazingly educative:  it shows that when we are old it it NOT the time to give up weight lifting.

 

https://barbend.com/powerlifter-joe-stockinger-career/

[Guest Guest Curious]

22 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

It is difficult to determine if this man is abusing his body.  I would not do it in my 80s,  but I don't have a history of weight lifting competition.

Don’t worry. You only have a couple years to wait 😀 Maybe lifting a wheelchair might get even more difficult.

 

[Guest Guest Curious]

On 4/5/2021 at 9:13 PM, Steve5380 said:

I have already lived longer than the life expectancy of my youngest grandchild, and still have a long road ahead.  

I wish you a long and happy life. Just be careful of a few possible hiccups on the road ahead. Accidents, strokes, heart attacks, cancer in all it’s horrible varieties, Parkinson’, Alzheimer’s and so on. 

 

For how long when you soon reach your 80s will you still take part in your regular sex tourism trips to the saunas in Asia? Should they be warned in advance to have paramedics on stand by? 😜

[Guest naive]

You hear that from a white man's mouth that Osteoporosis are highest in his race and they have been consuming mostly dairy products diet. Now you see so many milk and cheeses ads on Asian television channels. You just need to see animal mothers will stop producing milk once their kiddies can walk.

[Steve5380]

38 minutes ago, Guest Guest Curious said:

I wish you a long and happy life. Just be careful of a few possible hiccups on the road ahead. Accidents, strokes, heart attacks, cancer in all it’s horrible varieties, Parkinson’, Alzheimer’s and so on. 

 

For how long when you soon reach your 80s will you still take part in your regular sex tourism trips to the saunas in Asia? Should they be warned in advance to have paramedics on stand by? 😜

 

Thank you.  I am aware of possible hiccups on the road for older people.  I am confident that I escaped one recently, the Covid pandemic.   Thanks to my healthy lifestyle I have no chronic illnesses, I don't take any medication, no sugar in the blood, no cholesterol, strong bones, ideal blood pressure.   Paramedics are necessary for old people who are in poor health.  Accidents can happen of course,  but I doubt that I am at a higher risk than someone in his 50s.   I am curious to see if I even notice any difference when I cross into the 80s.  Stay tuned,  I will tell