China QAnon Propaganda

[bi dogging addict]

bring it on

[Guest Sdollar]

1 minute ago, bi dogging addict said:

bring it on

Yes, USA is bringing it on. They are sailing their aircraft carriers in SC Sea in confrontation to China's claims of sovereignty there.

What did China respond?

Some mumbo jumbo about American imperialism.

Why do you think we risked the wrath of an irrational and war mongering China by allowing USA to use our Changi base?

BECAUSE the consequences of China 狠行霸道 in SC Sea is the end of our independence.

China has regressed back to imperialism, 三国演义， 顺我者为友，逆我者要灭

 

[bi dogging addict]

Instead of becoming totally engrossed in Western propaganda. You should understand that Chinese naval vessels outnumber US and it's puppet friends token gestures 20 fold including nuclear submarines and carrier. Such air power sorties are purely to test reaction responses. Something the provocative Americans have practiced for decades in the region

[Guest Sdollars]

2 hours ago, bi dogging addict said:

Instead of becoming totally engrossed in Western propaganda. You should understand that Chinese naval vessels outnumber US and it's puppet friends token gestures 20 fold including nuclear submarines and carrier. Such air power sorties are purely to test reaction responses. Something the provocative Americans have practiced for decades in the region

That's the danger. They are starting to rattle their weapons crying fight fight fight with their ultra nationalism.

The slightest incident become politicized,

if we in SG don't approve their vaccine, they will retaliate.

They don't even allow us access to data to do independent evaluations. Just a bunch of propaganda that if China big population using it no problem then that's proof enough; do we trust their 报喜不报忧 censorship for feedback?

[bi dogging addict]

Do not be so naive with your prognosis regarding military assets.

When you become aware or no electricity , no ATM's, no water, no internet etc then you will realize that China has achieved a better solution to defending it's satellite communications.

Some countries like Australia, Canada and US are starting to understand that trade balances seriously weighed in  their favour is hardly a level playing field

NZ seems at the moment the only "5 eyes" country prepared to buck the trend and has warned others to treat China with respect in order to safeguard trade.

Even the Premier of Western Australia has given warning on Thursday to Aust PM to tread more carefully otherwise Australia could suffer economic ruin if more trad boycotts.

[30yochinese]

in case U are wondering when the Sinovac vaccine will be rolled out at private clinics, pls read this from a private hospital emailed to me today, 12th June.
  
                 

[Guest Sdollar]

7 hours ago, bi dogging addict said:

Do not be so naive with your prognosis regarding military assets.

When you become aware or no electricity , no ATM's, no water, no internet etc then you will realize that China has achieved a better solution to defending it's satellite communications.

Some countries like Australia, Canada and US are starting to understand that trade balances seriously weighed in  their favour is hardly a level playing field

NZ seems at the moment the only "5 eyes" country prepared to buck the trend and has warned others to treat China with respect in order to safeguard trade.

Even the Premier of Western Australia has given warning on Thursday to Aust PM to tread more carefully otherwise Australia could suffer economic ruin if more trad boycotts.

You are getting more and more incoherent like a rabid dog spouting barking threats everywhere.

[Guest SINO]

China total GDP will overtake USA become the world's largest in 5 years. The gap between them will increase very fast and within 10 years USA will be a distant second. Smart money even USA pension funds has placed their bets in China. To all China haters here who have been brainwashed by BBC, Reuters, CNN etc for decades, now is still not too late to switch camp. Just to remind u, CHINA will be our futures. Don't place your lifesaving on sinking ships such as UK or USA. 

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, Guest SINO said:

China total GDP will overtake USA become the world's largest in 5 years. The gap between them will increase very fast and within 10 years USA will be a distant second. Smart money even USA pension funds has placed their bets in China. To all China haters here who have been brainwashed by BBC, Reuters, CNN etc for decades, now is still not too late to switch camp. Just to remind u, CHINA will be our futures. Don't place your lifesaving on sinking ships such as UK or USA. 

 

Anyone who thinks that money is everything will be taught a lesson sooner or later. History has its fair share of arrogant tycoons and/or countries brought to their knees by even more powerful forces. Imagine USA trying to take over the world as arrogantly as how the Chinese are doing it now: sending military aircrafts into other nations and doing such vaccine politics. Do you think the other nations will play their game? 

 

Now imagine China trying to play the same game? Nobody will fall for it. 

 

 

10 hours ago, bi dogging addict said:

Do not be so naive with your prognosis regarding military assets.

When you become aware or no electricity , no ATM's, no water, no internet etc then you will realize that China has achieved a better solution to defending it's satellite communications.

Some countries like Australia, Canada and US are starting to understand that trade balances seriously weighed in  their favour is hardly a level playing field

NZ seems at the moment the only "5 eyes" country prepared to buck the trend and has warned others to treat China with respect in order to safeguard trade.

Even the Premier of Western Australia has given warning on Thursday to Aust PM to tread more carefully otherwise Australia could suffer economic ruin if more trad boycotts.

 

So what if NZ in the 5-eyes alliance sounded their concerns? Is it going to affect the intelligence gathering on China? Seriously, what intelligence capability does NZ really have? So what if the 5-eyes become 4-eyes? Will the intelligence gathering capability of the alliance be impacted much? I doubt so.

 

Any country can take the sides of China if they want to, including NZ. The only reason why NZ has spoken up for China was for the purpose of economic reasons. For a safe heaven at the end of the world, NZ is quite well-shielded from the global insolence shown by China to the rest of the world. So economic reasons might be primary in their consideration for now. But when push comes to shove, and when China is to send some of their military aircrafts into NZ territory, or when the global alliances forces NZ to take sides, let's see which side NZ will take, OK? I will bet my last dollar that NZ will take the sides of everyone else except China. 

[Guest Goulash Which Is Very Posh]

Some posts in this thread are slaps in the face to our great nation of Singapore, the only nation I love, and the only nation which will ever have my infinite loyalty.

[Guest Guest]

On 6/10/2021 at 7:24 PM, Guest Sinovac said:

Will you guys wait for the sinovac when its available in private healthcare and dont mind paying for it? 

 

Do you think that the current one from US will clog your artery or in the long run will have side effects? If the covid is man made and there is a big hidden agenda behind this pandemic. To depopulate human population and to restart the world economy by certain world power. Maybe up against China. But to their surprise China is able to fight against this pandemic quite succesfully and came up with their own vaccine. Will this vaccine be more reliable and safe? 

 

 

It was China who started the COVID against the world. China will pay for this!

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/g7-summit-leaders-discussed-chinese-191312147.html

 

 

G7 summit: Leaders discussed Chinese lab leak theory for Covid origin, says WHO chief

 

 

And Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that China had not co-operated fully with the first part of an international probe into the origin of the outbreak, and called on Beijing to improve transparency out of “respect” for the victims of the disease.

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He added: “More than 174m people have been confirmed with the Covid illness - and this is actually an under-estimate, it could be more. So far close to 3.75m people have died.

 

“This is very tragic and the respect these people deserve is knowing what the origin of this virus is so that we can prevent it happening again.

 

“The origin study is something the WHO is really serious about. We will need co-operation from the Chinese side, we will need transparency in order to understand and find the origin of this virus.

 

“As I indicated after the report (into the first phase of the study) was released, there were difficulties in data-sharing.

 

“I hope in the second phase there will be better co-operation and transparency so we can get into the root of the origin of the virus.”

[superflawless]

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Footage proves bats were kept in Wuhan lab

 

 

[Guest evilwhites]

The whites have been attempted but failed to make China their slaves. History don't always repeat itself in this case.

[superflawless]

19 minutes ago, Guest evilwhites said:

The whites have been attempted but failed to make China their slaves. History don't always repeat itself in this case.

Tell that to the Hong Kongers and Taiwanese lah.

Study your history of Chinese history please.

 

If two major coronaviruses originated in China, you have to stop defending the indefensible and questioned why this is happening.

Never forget the PRC govt silenced the Ah Tiong doctors and forced them to recant their warnings.

Cover ups will always lead to more problems later on.

 

Many Chinese here feel obligated to defend the mainland Chinese government. There really is no need to devote your loyalty towards such an incompetant and heartless dictatorship. 

[Guest evilwhites]

1 hour ago, superflawless said:

Tell that to the Hong Kongers and Taiwanese lah.

Study your history of Chinese history please.

 

If two major coronaviruses originated in China, you have to stop defending the indefensible and questioned why this is happening.

Never forget the PRC govt silenced the Ah Tiong doctors and forced them to recant their warnings.

Cover ups will always lead to more problems later on.

 

Many Chinese here feel obligated to defend the mainland Chinese government. There really is no need to devote your loyalty towards such an incompetant and heartless dictatorship. 

 

Study your history of white slavery please. Do not be stupid like the HKers and Taiwanese. Their DNA cannot changed.

[Guest Guest]

8 minutes ago, Guest evilwhites said:

 

Study your history of white slavery please. Do not be stupid like the HKers and Taiwanese. Their DNA cannot changed.

 

DNA cannot be changed, which makes it so much more embarassing to share the same type of DNA with people who started this world pandemic and trying to invade Taiwan and Malaysia.

[Guest evilwhites]

2 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

DNA cannot be changed, which makes it so much more embarassing to share the same type of DNA with people who started this world pandemic and trying to invade Taiwan and Malaysia.

 

Yet your USA master still trying all sorts technique to make China a bad guy, why they have not invade China if they are so sure about it like they did to Iraq?

[Guest Guest]

19 minutes ago, Guest evilwhites said:

 

Yet your USA master still trying all sorts technique to make China a bad guy, why they have not invade China if they are so sure about it like they did to Iraq?

 

 No need for anyone to make China the bad guy when it already is. Don't worry, the invasion will happen sooner or later. 箭已在弦上. Nobody is worried with China's "military" might.

 

 

 

https://fighterjetsworld.com/latest-news/aircraft-crash/chinese-navy-fighter-jet-crashes-in-hainan-two-pilots-dead/11624/

 

 

[superflawless]

40 minutes ago, Guest evilwhites said:

 

Yet your USA master still trying all sorts technique to make China a bad guy, why they have not invade China if they are so sure about it like they did to Iraq?

USA is not our master. We do not blindly follow the West. Unlike you.

You keep defending the mainland Chinese, when the facts are clear.

 

The fact of the matter is: this latest Coronavirus outbreak did originate in Wuhan China

The fact of the matter: China did try to silence their local doctors who tried to sound the alarm.

Those are the facts. 

 

China is a the bad guy. Stop defending this "Strong" country.

 

 

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by superflawless

[Guest 5 cents raised to 7 cents]

2 hours ago, Guest evilwhites said:

The whites have been attempted but failed to make China their slaves. History don't always repeat itself in this case.

7 cents spotted. So many brainwashed 7 cents. Even invaded SG. Please be careful. 

[Guest evilwhites]

19 minutes ago, superflawless said:

USA is not our master. We do not blindly follow the West. Unlike you.

You keep defending the mainland Chinese, when the facts are clear.

 

The fact of the matter is: this latest Coronavirus outbreak did originate in Wuhan China

The fact of the matter: China did try to silence their local doctors who tried to sound the alarm.

Those are the facts. 

 

China is a the bad guy. Stop defending this "Strong" country.

 

 

 

Is there any evidence about it even the doctor was a bit untrustworthy except the news were spread by the Anglo groups., the only claim of this is from US, they all knew US wanted them all to go against China because US is losing their economy and leadership power to China, not because of human rights nor virus leak. The European countries wont agree to fighting China also because China's One Belt One Road's connection to Europe will also benefit the Europeans.

[StockBottom]

3 hours ago, Guest evilwhites said:

The whites have been attempted but failed to make China their slaves. History don't always repeat itself in this case.

 

From HWZ EDMW ...

[superflawless]

Would you consider India an "Anglo" group? Is it a coincidence that, in Wuhan, there is a Institute of Virology?

Not every state of China has a virology lab.

This article is from 2017:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487

 

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A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.

Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats."

 

There is precedent in China where breaches in lab safety procedures resulted in disease outbreaks. 

• In 2004, the coronavirus that causes SARS was accidentally leaked from a facility in Beijing, infecting nine people and killing one. 
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And evidence shows that three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) sought hospital care in November 2019, months before China disclosed the COVID-19 pandemic

[superflawless]

These are the facts:

 

The Wuhan Institute of Virology houses the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory, which is China's only Biosafety Level-4 (BSL-4) lab. That means it is the only facility in China permitted to handle the most dangerous known pathogens, including the Ebola and Lassa viruses.

 

The only one.

In China.

 

• BSL-4 labs are rare and confer a degree of prestige on the countries that have them. Taiwan has two such labs; Japan's first BSL4 lab wasn't approved to handle top-tier pathogens until 2015.

 

The lab is located just under 9 miles from the wet market where some scientists say the outbreak may have originated.

• Its proximity to the first known cluster of cases at the Huanan market has fueled speculation the lab could somehow be involved.

 

 

[Guest evilwhites]

10 minutes ago, superflawless said:

Would you consider India an "Anglo" group? Is it a coincidence that, in Wuhan, there is a Institute of Virology?

Not every state of China has a virology lab.

This article is from 2017:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487

 

"

A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.

Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats."

 

There is precedent in China where breaches in lab safety procedures resulted in disease outbreaks. 

• In 2004, the coronavirus that causes SARS was accidentally leaked from a facility in Beijing, infecting nine people and killing one. 
•  

 

And evidence shows that three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) sought hospital care in November 2019, months before China disclosed the COVID-19 pandemic

Yet again these are onesided of the story manipulated to make China the bad guy. Wonder why those who believe such baseless evidence have something in common.

[superflawless]

Here are more facts:

After a year of intensive research, the virus has still not been identified in any animals.

Animal-human transmission, however, remains one of the strongest hypotheses explaining the appearance of the new coronavirus: the coronavirus was transmitted from bats to humans through an intermediate host. It would not be the first time this happened.

Wuhan is around 1,000 miles north of bat caves that harbor the ancestor virus, well out of the animals' flight range.

Scientists from Wuhan were however known to be carrying out routine trips to those caves to take samples.

 

The lab-leak theory does not necessarily imply genetic manipulation, but considers whether an accident could have resulted in a naturally occurring virus infecting researchers

 

Meanwhile, the WIV has refused to open its files to independent investigators, and Beijing has likewise rebuffed such calls, saying the US should allow probes into its high-containment facilities.

 

Seems awfully guilty conscious to me. 

 

[superflawless]

China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian once promised "China’s openness and transparency,” what we have seen is the exact opposite. 

 

 

1. China arrested whistle-blower doctors during the first stages of the pandemic.

 

2. It publicly denied human-to-human transmission despite overwhelming evidence.

 

3. It sanctioned the virologist who courageously published the first SARS-Cov2 genome without permission.

 

4. Its National Health Commission forbade the publishing of any information regarding the Wuhan outbreak and ordered labs to destroy or transfer all viral samples to designated testing institutions, according to a Jan. 3 order seen by Beijing-based finance magazine Caixin.

 

5. Universities have been instructed not to publish any report that indicates the virus originated in China.

 

6. Even journalists who have attempted to access bat caves in southwestern China have been met with harassment and intimidation.

 

 

Those are the hallmarks of a regime eager to be "transparant". 

Edited June 14, 2021 by superflawless

[Steve5380]

This thread seems to have gone from a discussion on Covid-19 vaccines to the evaluation of China vs. America.  So I am not starting anything here.

 

There are very dark chapters in the history of America.  Starting with the transatlantic slave trade going back to the 16th century,  the post-WWII imperialistic attitudes throughout the world and consequent wars in foreign lands, and some resurgence of evil in the 4 years of Trump's regime.   BUT... America has put most of its ugly history in the past, has made strong alliances with other nations against the more totalitarian regimes, and it is fast recovering from the stupid setback of allowing such a shitty person like Trump to become its president.  Biden is mending the broken ties with allies, taking strong action on the pandemic, and hopefully bringing a strong recovery of the economy.

 

China has its dark chapters more recently,  back to the Chinese Revolution with Mao and the creation of the PRC.   But it remains a totalitarian regime today.  It has barely advanced since and with its modernization comes a belligerence that is starting to be threatening.   If the PRC deprives its citizens from human rights,  what can we expect it would do with people from other countries?

 

Why is there so much attention of China's Sinovac vaccine?  It seems to be a long cry from the seriousness of the Western mRNA vaccines of Pfizer and Moderna. Who would have reasons to reject the latter in favor of the former?  How about the commitment of the G7 to provide one billion doses of the Western vaccines?   Could Singapore be among the recipients, or is this country not poor enough to deserve some help?

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Edited June 15, 2021 by Steve5380

[Guest Guest]

To all those 五毛 黨 in Singapore, especially people like Nightwhore, take a look at what happened to your friend, Dickson Yeo. Just like him, you are also considered to be a threat to Singapore! And the Mods can go ahead and wipe all those reports of their treacherous activities, but the screenshots can be taken and sent to ISA so that they can take action again local traitors like him and multiple others. 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singaporean-man-detained-by-isd-for-acting-as-a-paid-agent-of-a-foreign-state

 

SINGAPORE - A Singaporean man who had worked for China's intelligence services since 2016 has been detained for two years under the Internal Security Act (ISA) for being a threat to Singapore.

 

[superflawless]

I have taken my Pfizer shots. 

Anyone who wants to take the Sinovac, be my guest.

I am not going to stand in your way because I am not a 

I certainly would not be taking it. Even if the Singapore government allowed booster shots of a different brand, I would not do it with Sinovac.

I have given my answers above and I strongly advocate against it.

 

For those who are absolutely against Western ideology, technology and capabilities, you don't have to read this. But all others who are interested:

 

"U.S. health officials have begun a clinical trial with adults fully vaccinated against COVID-19, administering a booster shot of a different vaccine brand to the one they've already received, the National Institutes of Health announced Tuesday.

Why it matters: The study will examine immune responses and the safety of mixing different vaccines. Scientists will also measure the shots' efficacy in staving off emerging variants, according to a statement from the NIH."

 

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

To all those 五毛 黨 in Singapore, especially people like Nightwhore, take a look at what happened to your friend, Dickson Yeo. Just like him, you are also considered to be a threat to Singapore! And the Mods can go ahead and wipe all those reports of their treacherous activities, but the screenshots can be taken and sent to ISA so that they can take action again local traitors like him and multiple others. 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singaporean-man-detained-by-isd-for-acting-as-a-paid-agent-of-a-foreign-state

 

SINGAPORE - A Singaporean man who had worked for China's intelligence services since 2016 has been detained for two years under the Internal Security Act (ISA) for being a threat to Singapore.

 

Keep a close watch on Nightwhore and singaliar these 2 traitorous, seditious wumaos, they are notorious for fake news and PRC influence-peddling... on top of promoting paedophilia.

[Guest 犯贱冰冰]

2 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Keep a close watch on Nightwhore and singaliar these 2 traitorous, seditious wumaos, they are notorious for fake news and PRC influence-peddling... on top of promoting paedophilia.

 

LOL

[bi dogging addict]

Seems to me that those who are unable to debate or propagandists that cannot get their way resort to personal abuse and name calling 

[Guest Guest]

On 6/12/2021 at 4:48 PM, bi dogging addict said:

bring it on

 

被击败得狗血淋头，就怨人家 resort to personal abuse and name calling?

对五毛，无需客气。

打五毛，take no prisoners! 

[bi dogging addict]

Pray tell me where is the personal abuse directed at commenting at a post " bring it on" ??????

[LeanMature]

On 6/12/2021 at 8:17 PM, 30yochinese said:

in case U are wondering when the Sinovac vaccine will be rolled out at private clinics, pls read this from a private hospital emailed to me today, 12th June.
  
                 

 

This is not a very forthcoming reply.  Think you have to find out which private healthcare providers are authorized by HSA to administer the Sinovac vaccine.  If I am correct, it is mainly for those people who are unable to jab the mNRA vaccines like Plfizer and Moderna.

[Guest Guest]

2 hours ago, bi dogging addict said:

Pray tell me where is the personal abuse directed at commenting at a post " bring it on" ??????

 

經不起被人打，就別叫別人 bring it on。人家真的 bring it on 時， 就別 KPKB!

[Guest SINO]

7 hours ago, bi dogging addict said:

Seems to me that those who are unable to debate or propagandists that cannot get their way resort to personal abuse and name calling 

 

Nothing much to debate here. Sinophobia/Xenophobia here will always believe in what USA/UK and what BBC, Reuters said, and look down on everything China related. They forgot that USA/UK is the Master of Genocide and Forced Labor, for centuries. Singaporean chinese ancestor also a product of Slaves Trading/Forced Labor by UK during Dynasty Ching.   The funny thing is many people here still regarded the UK as our Master. 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Guest SINO said:

 

Nothing much to debate here. Sinophobia/Xenophobia here will always believe in what USA/UK and what BBC, Reuters said, and look down on everything China related. They forgot that USA/UK is the Master of Genocide and Forced Labor, for centuries. Singaporean chinese ancestor also a product of Slaves Trading/Forced Labor by UK during Dynasty Ching.   The funny thing is many people here still regarded the UK as our Master. 

I don’t think it’s funny that many people regarded UK as our master. Or turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings of the US for that matter. They think it’s fashionable and cool to be westernised while looking down on anything that is Chinese.

 

I remember there was a time when everyone took pride in being bad in Chinese. It’s like telling the world, look! My Chineseness is much reduced cos I can’t speak or write Chinese.

 

One just needs to ask oneself, why does one despise everything to do with Chinese while fawn over everything that has to do with being western.

 

Then there has a need to call others Wumao when they can’t win arguments.

 

Please take a leaf from Jeffrey Sachs when he questioned the BBC journalist why she had to list China’s human rights issues when the US has committed far worse atrocities. 
 

He is definitely not wumao and he is not speaking up for China.

 

For those who are so anti-China, I would like to see how they survive without using made in China products. Come on, please practise what you preach. 

[LeanMature]

5 minutes ago, Blow away said:

I don’t think it’s funny that many people regarded UK as our master. Or turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings of the US for that matter. They think it’s fashionable and cool to be westernised while looking down on anything that is Chinese.

 

I remember there was a time when everyone took pride in being bad in Chinese. It’s like telling the world, look! My Chineseness is much reduced cos I can’t speak or write Chinese.

 

One just needs to ask oneself, why does one despise everything to do with Chinese while fawn over everything that has to do with being western.

 

Then there has a need to call others Wumao when they can’t win arguments.

 

Please take a leaf from Jeffrey Sachs when he questioned the BBC journalist why she had to list China’s human rights issues when the US has committed far worse atrocities. 
 

He is definitely not wumao and he is not speaking up for China.

 

For those who are so anti-China, I would like to see how they survive without using made in China products. Come on, please practise what you preach. 

 

That's how this word was born - AMDK.

[LeanMature]

11 hours ago, Guest SINO said:

 

Nothing much to debate here. Sinophobia/Xenophobia here will always believe in what USA/UK and what BBC, Reuters said, and look down on everything China related. They forgot that USA/UK is the Master of Genocide and Forced Labor, for centuries. Singaporean chinese ancestor also a product of Slaves Trading/Forced Labor by UK during Dynasty Ching.   The funny thing is many people here still regarded the UK as our Master. 

 

Compared to Taiwanese and HKgers, I think Singaporean Chinese are not that Xenophobia.  Perhaps some who were educated in the West and somehow got influenced.

[Guest Guest]

Why being this topic here? This whole sinovac vaccine is politics what. Why would a 50% efficiency vaccine be a medical item??

[Guest Dancing Around A Long Pole]

Seems to me like this thread should actually be renamed Pro-China Propagandists in Singapore vs. Pro-Singaporean Patriots of Singapore ... since it showcases a bunch of mental weaklings gingerly swishing around like headless chickens, and begging to be cuddled by a gang of wealthy PRC Sugar Daddies, while simultaneously attacking everybody who supports Singapore self-sufficiently standing on its own two feet ... and intelligently balancing the Best of the East with the Best of the West.

[Guest Guest]

 

18 hours ago, Nightingale said:

"The WHO's separate Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) had said previously that vaccine efficacy in multi-country Phase III clinical trials ranged from 51% to 84%.  Indonesia said on 12 May that its study of 120,000 healthcare workers who had received the vaccine found it was 94% effective at preventing symptomatic disease."

 

A range from 51% to 84%? What a huge range difference! Any reasons for such a huge range difference? Is it because of wumaos? 

 

18 hours ago, Nightingale said:

Still reading old news?

 

"Indonesia tracked 128,290 health workers in capital city Jakarta from Jan to Mar and found that the vaccine protected 98% of them from death and 96% from hospitalisation as soon as 7 days after the 2nd dose,"

 

 

..we are talking about vaccine efficacy here. Since when has a vaccine efficacy been measured by how many percentage of the infected died and how many percentage got hospitalized?? Just to support your PRC, you are even willing to change your definition? 

[Guest Blow u]

On 6/16/2021 at 9:19 AM, Blow away said:

I don’t think it’s funny that many people regarded UK as our master. Or turn a blind eye to the wrongdoings of the US for that matter. They think it’s fashionable and cool to be westernised while looking down on anything that is Chinese.

 

I remember there was a time when everyone took pride in being bad in Chinese. It’s like telling the world, look! My Chineseness is much reduced cos I can’t speak or write Chinese.

 

One just needs to ask oneself, why does one despise everything to do with Chinese while fawn over everything that has to do with being western.

 

Then there has a need to call others Wumao when they can’t win arguments.

 

Please take a leaf from Jeffrey Sachs when he questioned the BBC journalist why she had to list China’s human rights issues when the US has committed far worse atrocities. 
 

He is definitely not wumao and he is not speaking up for China.

 

For those who are so anti-China, I would like to see how they survive without using made in China products. Come on, please practise what you preach. 

That's what the world is doing, moving factories away from China. Now there's plenty of ghost factories and shopping centres  in China and mass unemployment. Who needs who?

 

2 wrongs don't make a right. We never say that the West is faultless. It's relative, China is much much worse. 

 

Typical wumao whataboutism, always divert attention from China's atrocities to the West.

[Guest Guest]

5 hours ago, Nightingale said:

 

Of course anything from China to you is rubbish and evil.  The point about efficacy has already been discussed in a separate thread on vaccines in Sg.  Go refer to it.  And I've even posted a video on it and explained how the 50% was arrived at.  You only have your ignorance and prejudice to blame.

 

 

You can argue till the cows come home also no use.
Original virus or new variant, nobody cares, because  50% is still 50% which means heng suay tikam tikam also will get. 

Might as well inject water and then claim that you are also vaccinated. I sell you distilled water cheaper. 

Waste time, waste money, all cos China play vaccine politics. 

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1 minute ago, Nightingale said:

 

No need to argue.  You said all these because you failed to read what led to this 50%.  Can you explain to me how this figure was arrived at?

 

How the figure was arrived at? By using fake data, or maybe even non-existent ones, provided by the PRCs after paying lots and lots of wumao like you.

Even right now, WHO only agreed to put it on the approved list because it just barely made it past the passing efficacy of "51%" effective. Real or not, the world can see for themselves. Only poor or cheapo countries which wants to fall for the PRC vaccine politics will go for it. No need to argue. 

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1 hour ago, Blow away said:

begging to be cuddled by a gang of wealthy PRC Sugar Daddies

 

I pretty much stopped reading here to ..... 

 

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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/indonesia-covid-19-doctors-hospitalised-delta-variant-vaccinated-15033196

 

Hundreds of Indonesian healthcare workers contract COVID-19 despite vaccination, dozens hospitalised

 

17 Jun 2021 03:51PM(Updated: 17 Jun 2021 04:45PM)

JAKARTA: More than 350 Indonesian doctors and healthcare workers have contracted COVID-19 despite being vaccinated with Sinovac and dozens have been hospitalised, officials said, as concerns rise about the efficacy of some vaccines against more virulent virus strains.

 

Most of the doctors were asymptomatic and self-isolating at home, said Badai Ismoyo, head of the Kudus district health office in Central Java, but dozens were in hospital with high fevers and declining oxygen saturation levels.

 

Kudus is battling an outbreak believed to be driven by the more transmissible Delta variant which has pushed bed occupancy rates above 90 per cent in the district.

 

Designated as a priority group, Indonesian healthcare workers were among the first to be vaccinated when the inoculation drive started in January.

Almost all have received the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Chinese biopharmaceutical company Sinovac, according to the Indonesian Medical Association.

While the number of Indonesian healthcare workers dying from COVID-19 has decreased significantly – dropping from 158 deaths this January to 13 this May, according to data initiative group LaporCOVID-19 – public health experts say the Java hospitalisations are cause for concern.

 

"The data shows they have the Delta variant so it is no surprise that the breakthrough infection is higher than before because as we know the majority of healthcare workers in Indonesia got Sinovac, and we still don't know yet how effective it is in the real world against the Delta variant," said Dicky Budiman, an epidemiologist from Australia's Griffith University.

 

A spokesperson from Sinovac and Indonesia's ministry of health were not immediately available for comment on the efficacy of Sinovac's CoronaVac against newer coronavirus variants.

 

Grappling with one of the worst outbreaks in Asia, with more than 1.9 million cases and 53,000 deaths, there has been a heavy toll on Indonesia's doctors and nurses with 946 deaths.

 

Many are now experiencing pandemic fatigue and taking an increasingly laissez-faire approach to health protocols after being vaccinated, said Lenny Ekawati, from LaporCOVID-19.

 

"That phenomenon happens quite often these days, not only within the community but also healthcare workers," she said. "They think because they are vaccinated that they are safe."

 

But as more cases of the highly transmissible Delta variant are identified in the world's fourth most populous nation, the data is starting to tell a different story.

 

Across Indonesia, at least five doctors and one nurse have died from COVID-19 despite being vaccinated, according to the data initiative group, although one had only received their first shot.

 

In Kudus, one senior doctor has died, said the Indonesian Medical Association, although it is understood he had a comorbidity.

 

In the Indonesian capital Jakarta, radiologist Dr Prijo Sidipratomo told Reuters he knew of at least half a dozen doctors in the city who had been hospitalised with COVID-19 in the past month despite being vaccinated, with one currently being treated in the intensive care unit.

 

"It is alarming for us because we cannot rely on vaccinations only," he said, urging people to strictly adhere to health protocols.

 

Weeks after the Eid Al-Fitr holidays, Indonesia has experienced a surge in cases, with the positivity rate exceeding 23 per cent on Wednesday (Jun 16) and daily cases nearing 10,000, the highest since late February.

 

In its latest situation report the World Health Organization called for Indonesia to implement a stricter lockdown with increased transmission due to variants of concern and a "drastic increase in bed occupancy rates" necessitating urgent action.

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OMG ...  this is the first time in maybe decades that Mr Blowingwind himself personally stepped into the forum to unlock a topic! 

Finally ... after so long, 倚天出鞘 can fight 屠龙刀 already !!!!! 

Well done, Mr Blowingwind! This topic should not have been locked in the first place!