Write your own will without the need of a lawyer

[QinWei]

the template at ocbc is gd enough

Alll you need is less than 10 min if you do not have a complex lifestyle

Where do u leave ur passwords?
bk accounts to brokerage a/c

 

CPF is not covered in the will

Edited March 15, 2024 by QinWei

[yogateacher]

Very useful, thanks for sharing!  

[passinthenight]

I used to live next door to a quite a well off little old lady.

She was always updating her will with her local lawyer.

I know this because she always got me to sign, as a witness when she made changes.

 

 Anyhow, when she passed, lots of people came out of the woodwork to contest her will.

I know this because her lawyer would ask me if the lady had ever spoke of these people in conversation. 

 I'd never heard or seen these people that were saying how they were always on hand to help her with her daily chores.

I knew this was false as it was me who she would ask, when she needed something doing.

 

One individual was left a small amount of money and he contested the will for more money. He felt, he deserved more. lol

 

 So wills to me, aren't worth the paper they're written on

[Guest I hate life]

21 minutes ago, passinthenight said:

I used to live next door to a quite a well off little old lady.

She was always updating her will with her local lawyer.

I know this because she always got me to sign, as a witness when she made changes.

 

 Anyhow, when she passed, lots of people came out of the woodwork to contest her will.

I know this because her lawyer would ask me if the lady had ever spoke of these people in conversation. 

 I'd never heard or seen these people that were saying how they were always on hand to help her with her daily chores.

I knew this was false as it was me who she would ask, when she needed something doing.

 

One individual was left a small amount of money and he contested the will for more money. He felt, he deserved more. lol

 

 So wills to me, aren't worth the paper they're written on

 

I always found the idea of will hilarious. 

Like someone else is entitled to your wealth. 

 

Which is why it's important to leave a will that denies anyone from claiming my worth. 

 

All my finance or whatever there is will be donated to charity. 

 

Period. 

 

I suffered through my hardship in my life time to accumulate all this stuff. 

 

Its not to be given to you simply because you are somehow related to me. 

 

Anyway since I gay and I have never penetrated a vaginas, so I would never have any offspring. 

 

I don't have to leave anything to anybody. 

 

Everything must be destroyed together with me. 

 

. Maybe I shall put it in my will and pay lawyer to host an event and invite all the people to my will and watch the lawyer burn all the money in front of them. 

 

 

Yeah that's my will. A show. A spectacular shit show as my final good bye. 

 

Hahaha. 

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Guest I hate life said:

 

I always found the idea of will hilarious. 

Like someone else is entitled to your wealth. 

 

Which is why it's important to leave a will that denies anyone from claiming my worth. 

 

All my finance or whatever there is will be donated to charity. 

 

Period. 

 

I suffered through my hardship in my life time to accumulate all this stuff. 

 

Its not to be given to you simply because you are somehow related to me. 

 

Anyway since I gay and I have never penetrated a vaginas, so I would never have any offspring. 

 

I don't have to leave anything to anybody. 

 

Everything must be destroyed together with me. 

 

. Maybe I shall put it in my will and pay lawyer to host an event and invite all the people to my will and watch the lawyer burn all the money in front of them. 

 

 

Yeah that's my will. A show. A spectacular shit show as my final good bye. 

 

Hahaha. 

 

You can give it to a gay friendly association that fights homophobia. Did you think about that instead of just burning your assets?

 

 

[singalion]

2 hours ago, QinWei said:

the template at ocbc is gd enough

Alll you need is less than 10 min if you do not have a complex lifestyle

Where do u leave ur passwords?
bk accounts to brokerage a/c

 

CPF is not covered in the will

 

The problem starts that most gays don't have any children. Further, at a certain age mostly you won't have parents, which are next in line.

 

You might not want your fortune to go to some cousins, uncles etc.

 

Another point is if you have a bf, how does that come into the will. Things can always change. Your loved one can pass away before you do or you separated or he is so filthy rich that he doesn't need your 50k on the savings account... etc

 

It may look very simple to write a will but in different scenarios, the outcome later might not be as you intended. Or in the worst case the will might be void.

 

It is important to cover certain scenarios.

If this then that. if that then this.

 

Better seek advice with a lawyer first to get a suitable template.

 

And if you have businesses, real estate overseas, or are a self employed professional surely you should seek legal advice first.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2024 by singalion

[Guest Captain obvious]

1 hour ago, singalion said:

 

The problem starts that most gays don't have any children. Further, at a certain age mostly you won't have parents, which are next in line.

 

You might not want your fortune to go to some cousins, uncles etc.

 

Another point is if you have a bf, how does that come into the will. Things can always change. Your loved one can pass away before you do or you separated or he is so filthy rich that he doesn't need your 50k on the savings account... etc

 

It may look very simple to write a will but in different scenarios, the outcome later might not be as you intended. Or in the worst case the will might be void.

 

It is important to cover certain scenarios.

If this then that. if that then this.

 

Better seek advice with a lawyer first to get a suitable template.

 

And if you have businesses, real estate overseas, or are a self employed professional surely you should seek legal advice first.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to a thread, yet again 

[yhtang]

10 hours ago, passinthenight said:

I used to live next door to a quite a well off little old lady.

She was always updating her will with her local lawyer.

I know this because she always got me to sign, as a witness when she made changes.

 

 Anyhow, when she passed, lots of people came out of the woodwork to contest her will.

I know this because her lawyer would ask me if the lady had ever spoke of these people in conversation. 

 I'd never heard or seen these people that were saying how they were always on hand to help her with her daily chores.

I knew this was false as it was me who she would ask, when she needed something doing.

 

One individual was left a small amount of money and he contested the will for more money. He felt, he deserved more. lol

 

 So wills to me, aren't worth the paper they're written on

 

I understand your position, but there is no law blocking a person from contesting a Will, no matter how well written it is.

 

Whether the Courts accept the arguments and start a hearing on the case is another matter altogether.  Of course, there is the matter of legal expenses - which party pays whose legal fees etc.  I think this may be ruled in the court's judgement. 

 

The flip side to this view is, what would happen to your assets if you do not have a Will, and do you have any particular wishes as to who gets what assets of yours?

 

In a case where there are no assets to be distributed at all, I suppose the Will is definitely not worth the paper it's written on. 

 

[Guest Guest]

Wow ... if that is really the case, anyone can simply forge a deceased person's Will, with two partners-in-crime to act as the witnesses. Nobody would be any wiser. At least if it is done at a law firm, the lawyer can act as the witness, and he will have to bear professional consequences if the Will is found to be signed under duress, or any abnormal circumstances. 

[QinWei]

19 hours ago, singalion said:

problem starts that most gays don't have any children.

U may die before your parents

and u will have some gd frens!

 

i rem reading the news that a flat is given to a person totally not related to him, just a caring friend….

 

no matter how layman or how gay u r, u need to set where r the remaining funds go to : that is the purpose of cna video

hence I must share it

[Guest RISK]

On 3/15/2024 at 11:39 AM, QinWei said:

the template at ocbc is gd enough

Alll you need is less than 10 min if you do not have a complex lifestyle

Where do u leave ur passwords?
bk accounts to brokerage a/c

 

CPF is not covered in the will

 

At your own risk.  A WILL done by professional lawyer can be contested , you wanna try yourself 

Also if u want to DO a WILL it says u have or more to leave behind , and for that u wanna save on the $200 entry price or more doing a proper WILL in a law firm 

Isnt it penny wise pound foolish - but is not surprise, many ppl are so ......

My bro will pay for huge limo good hotel and biz class during travel, but come to food , eat the cheapest possible (PS he is not poor) 

 

 

 

[Swimfun]

Some money cannot be saved; don't save peanuts and create inconvenient to others later. When talking about wills, we might be referring to substantial assets or financial holdings. Otherwise, if the value is small, you can simply save it and hand it over directly to your beneficiary. There is nothing to contest for small value.

[Balestier]

Worse case your will not recognised by the court. Then we laugh ....

 

You may have forgotten big item eh hdb, bank accounts

Edited March 16, 2024 by Balestier

[yhtang]

13 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Wow ... if that is really the case, anyone can simply forge a deceased person's Will, with two partners-in-crime to act as the witnesses. Nobody would be any wiser. At least if it is done at a law firm, the lawyer can act as the witness, and he will have to bear professional consequences if the Will is found to be signed under duress, or any abnormal circumstances. 

 

But there is no guarantee that the lawyer might work in cahoots with other "beneficiaries" with vested interest. 

 

In any case, there is always a risk and reward.  If the assets that would be left behind upon death is small, then there is not much of a point making a Will.  You might as well just allow the Intestate Succession Act 1967 to take effect.

 

If there is loads of assets that would be left behind upon death and the testator has already decided how to distribute the assets, then a Will would be the ideal vehicle to ensure those wishes are carried out - assuming there are people around who

 

1) knows the existence of the Will, and

2) knows the location of the Will

 

This makes the forgery of a Will a bit more complex, as was the case with Nina Wang in Hong Kong.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-23193420

 

There is still no guarantee that a Will will not be contested in court though.  I do wonder who Peter Chan in the Nina Wang case paid, and how much, to create the fake Will. 

 

[singalion]

16 hours ago, yhtang said:

 

I understand your position, but there is no law blocking a person from contesting a Will, no matter how well written it is.

 

Whether the Courts accept the arguments and start a hearing on the case is another matter altogether.  Of course, there is the matter of legal expenses - which party pays whose legal fees etc.  I think this may be ruled in the court's judgement. 

 

The flip side to this view is, what would happen to your assets if you do not have a Will, and do you have any particular wishes as to who gets what assets of yours?

 

In a case where there are no assets to be distributed at all, I suppose the Will is definitely not worth the paper it's written on. 

 

 

1 hour ago, yhtang said:

 

But there is no guarantee that the lawyer might work in cahoots with other "beneficiaries" with vested interest. 

 

In any case, there is always a risk and reward.  If the assets that would be left behind upon death is small, then there is not much of a point making a Will.  You might as well just allow the Intestate Succession Act 1967 to take effect.

 

If there is loads of assets that would be left behind upon death and the testator has already decided how to distribute the assets, then a Will would be the ideal vehicle to ensure those wishes are carried out - assuming there are people around who

 

1) knows the existence of the Will, and

2) knows the location of the Will

 

This makes the forgery of a Will a bit more complex, as was the case with Nina Wang in Hong Kong.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-23193420

 

There is still no guarantee that a Will will not be contested in court though.  I do wonder who Peter Chan in the Nina Wang case paid, and how much, to create the fake Will. 

 

 

Don't think for Singapore that lawyers work in "cahoots" with third parties is very realistic.

It would be more if certain parties are present during the will drafting at a lawyer's office and try to influence the person during the time he is making the will.

But a lawyer would actually always ask the person making the will. Surely people can be under the influence of others or threats being made (like a sister that accommodates the parent threatening her/him to chase out of the house if he doesn't make a will in her/his case.)

A decent lawyer however, would ask the other parties to leave the room or invite the will maker to a second appointment to confirm the content.

 

 

Challenging a will in court is not easy. If it is properly drafted and the signatures verified the reasons to challenge a will in Common Law countries (Singapore) are very limited. Just take a look who is protected by Inheritance in Singapore...

 

 

Grounds on contesting a will in Singapore

There are four grounds to contest a will:

 

(1) The will is invalid (unsigned, not properly witnessed)

(2) The will was fraudulently made

There are several ways in which a testator, or their estate, can fall victim to a fraudulent will.

Someone may mislead the testator into signing a will they have created, whereby the testator believes to have been signing a different document.

Someone may forge a person’s signature on a will they have created. Or someone may alter a will that the testator created.

(3) The testator was of unsound mind

(4) The will was made under undue influence

A will can be challenged on the basis of undue influence, which involves establishing that the testator was forced or otherwise unduly persuaded to make a will that does not reflect their true wishes or intentions. 

Proving undue influence can be difficult. The burden of proving undue influence is on the person challenging the will.

 

 

Problems might incur if the will maker had various conflicting wills and some relative keeps the valid actual last will with him/her and doesn't hand it over.

 

Therefore it is good to hand your will a neutral third party. Singapore also has a wills registry but unfortunately they don't safeguard the actual will but just the information that a will had been made.

 

 

 

 

 

[QinWei]

6 hours ago, Guest RISK said:

bro will pay for huge limo good hotel and biz class during travel, but come to food , eat the cheapest possible (PS he is not poor) 

yes we uds! most wealthy are like that 

[singalion]

6 hours ago, Guest RISK said:

 

At your own risk.  A WILL done by professional lawyer can be contested , you wanna try yourself 

Also if u want to DO a WILL it says u have or more to leave behind , and for that u wanna save on the $200 entry price or more doing a proper WILL in a law firm 

Isnt it penny wise pound foolish - but is not surprise, many ppl are so ......

My bro will pay for huge limo good hotel and biz class during travel, but come to food , eat the cheapest possible (PS he is not poor) 

 

 

 

 

Must be the same client of mine who was complaining about the courier cost to send the documents out of Singapore at S$43.80 instead of 35.60 by airmail registered post...

 

 

[Guest Again just useless]

17 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Must be the same client of mine who was complaining about the courier cost to send the documents out of Singapore at S$43.80 instead of 35.60 by airmail registered post...

 

 

 

Who asked about postage costs or your clients?

 

what’s the relevance?

 

[QinWei]

also, a side note:

You can indicate that all your last hosp bills to be paid all by your medisave 

Generally, the Medical Claims Authorisation Form (MCAF) is signed at the Medical Institution (MI) as the MI would have the form and the staff can assist you in completing it.

Alternatively, you can also find the form at the Ministry of Health's (MOH) website: MOH | MediSave > MediSave Withdrawal. 

If you wish to make the authorisation up till your last bill, you can tick "Y" under "for an indefinite period, until revoked in writing, starting from:". Since the form is completed at the Medical Institution (MI), you may also seek the staff's help to assist you with the completion of the MCAF.  (however, you might be in a condition that you cannot even speak or communicate by then) 

 

https://www.sgh.com.sg/patient-care/visiting-specialist/BusinessOffice/Pages/All-About-Medisave.aspx

 

 

 

 

so that your family do not even have to spend a cent on your last amount in this world