Singapore Girls Unappreciative Of Nsmen

[Guest GlendenChong]

Another Singapore girl sneers at NSmen: Go and protest outside Istana if you do not want to serve NS!

Barely one day after Singapore girl Zheng Huiting became an instant celebrity overnight with her infamous jibe at the unfortunate death of a NSF PTE Lee Rui Feng, another Singapore girl found herself in the spotlight again by making snide remarks about NSmen.

In the aftermath of the saga which polarized public opinion in Singapore, a poll was started in Singapore’s popular forum for women ‘Flowerpod’ asking if the forumers appreciate guys who had served National Service:

In a reply to the poll, one prominent flowerpod forumer ‘lovejuliet’ aka Wong Z J asked Singapore men to protest outside the Istana if they do not want to do NS:

“I didn’t know that NS will make guys become retarded ???!!!…..Don’t want to do then protest outside Istana or Parliament House lah!”

She added that she doesn’t expect NSmen to defend Singapore if it is invaded one day:

“I really dun expect NSmen to save the country if one day we are invaded…to me, NS is just guys force to run around jungle with rifle for two years then check out from it.”

She ended her rant against NSmen by asking why Singapore girls should appreciate them serving the nation when it is stated under the law that they have to do so.

Judging from the responses made by some Singapore ladies in ‘Flowerpod’ and other forums, it appears that MINDEF does need to conduct some ‘National Education’ lessons for them to understand what NS is really all about.

I am a true blue male Singaporean who served 2 and a half years of National Service and my 10 ICTs, I will do my part for my country. Now I am sad because of this facetious portrayal of NS men.

[Guest Erotictales]

Many females in Singapore are typically Singaporean ignorant about NS. They only know how to drink in the official propaganda that NSFs and reservists learn a lot of things, benefit a lot, etc etc.

I've met women, married women with NS husbands and sons, who think if you don't want to run IPPT, then just don't go. Or if you don't feel like running, just walk. No consequences.

I've met girls who think reservists go back is to relax and no one at their workplace dare do anything because the government bias towards reservists.

I've also met, and worked with women, who grouch that they have to fill in for reservists when they go ICT, and they think it's the guy's fault for being so troublesome. That he chose to go reservist.

[Guest anti pinkerton girls]

these girls should be put in a war situation, they think their white ang moh knight will come to their rescue. Many women do not know the truth that men will turn into sexual animals is war situation when there is no law, a young pretty girl , in fact any girl will be gang raped , one after another, one penis will go in her pussy , then the next , then the next, if she is suay she will be double fxxked , and her mouth will be filled and her hands have to prepare the next to cocks to fxxk her by fluffing.

Singapore girls have been having a good life so far, that memories of world war II is a far distance away,

whenever there is a war and law and order disappear, mass rapes is the fate of defeated women, gang rapes will be their fates, maybe they will learn to like mass conveyor sex after a while.

[lonely57]

if we can protest to dont do ns.. they should make ns mandatory for ladies as well and see how they protest.

[Guest TrueStory]

In Singapore men are at a disadvantage in almost every area, be it law, marriage, career in education, NS liabilities, etc. The hardship guys go through in NS girls would never understand. Well, I like guys, luckily. So not gonna have to face such nonsense and such inane girls. I believe in retribution though.

Gender inequality is already evident in developed countries, with female chauvinism everywhere. In developing countries, the women are still suffering pitifully. With people like Zaihan still believing that there is gender discrimination against females in developed countries like Singapore, and completely insane, self-righteous, self-aggrandising, illogical and vacuous women from AWARE, it is no wonder that gender inequality in Singapore is worsening. Please, we now need a men's rights watch in Singapore and women's rights organisations in developing countries in the Middle East.

[Guest NeverSayNey]

Ever since PTE Lee Rui Feng Dominique Sarron passed away in an unfortunate training incident, there has been a flurry of discussions and comments. I watched first with interest, then frustration, and then finally anger. Anger that we've trivialized the issue. Anger that we are doubting our own in defending our home. And anger that we perhaps do not appreciate the work and sacrifice our citizen soldiers do.

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It is my duty to speak out for them.

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I am a Company Commander (OC) of Bravo Company, 14th Mono 4SIR, a sister battalion of 3SIR. Although I do not know the soldier personally, I can understand the loss of a soldier. Because the soldiers we have are the toughest, most motivated and most committed bunch of people I know. The things they've done, just like the things countless soldiers have done before, nobody will understand until they've been through it.

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Just take the smoke grenades. My soldiers don't just throw one. They don't throw a few. In an urban break-in fight, they throw a BARRAGE of smoke grenades - all coordinated to create a huge smokescreen to disorientate the enemy and provide some concealment. What for? Because in a real battle, they will be charging in the face of deadly bullets, fired by enemies entrenched behind windows and mouseholes. Without fear, but with courage of a warrior. The smokes give them a fighting chance to survive. We train as we fight. Is this weak?

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Our unit just came back from an training stint overseas. Part of it, was a 8-day outfield evaluation. 8 days, 3 missions, all out in the field. 1st mission - 30km tactical walk in one night, up and down undulating terrain, carrying packs up to 15kg. And at the end of it, at daybreak, violently and aggressively assaulting an objective. No rest right after that. Transit to 2nd mission of defence. 2 nights. Little sleep, watchful eyes, valiantly defending what we have captured. And 3rd mission. 20km. Mountain hook. Climbing an altitude of 500m. And then down. And at daybreak, violently fighting, again.

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And in a Battalion of 500-odd soldiers, number of soldiers who gave up or fell out due to injuries? ZERO. BIG FAT ZERO. All of them had the look in their eyes. Is this weak?

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And these doesn't happen overnight. In 2 active years, they train hard for this, so that they can walk, they can last, they can fight. And in the 2 years, they do more than just train.

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In Homeland Security, for 4 weeks over Christmas, New Year's Eve, New Year, Chinese New Year, while the rest of us celebrate, our soldiers stood guard in Jurong Island, Changi Airport and Sembawang Wharves. Live 5.56mm rounds in magazines. Live 7.62mm rounds on MGs, mounted on patrol vehicles. With watchful eyes, they deterred any aggressive action in the economic and strategic centres of our country. And 24/7 our citizen soldiers are always there. Is this weak?

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Our soldiers participated in bilateral exercises with our neighbours, promoting friendly relations and peace. They stood shoulder to shoulder with professional armies, and guess what? Our citizen soldiers impressed. Is this weak?

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Our soldiers went on standby. In short notice, they will be weapons drawn, ammunition loaded, vehicles out, ready to respond to any call of duty the nation requires. Yes, Mas Selamat and a Tekong robber was probably the highlights in the last decade. But do we want more to happen? Are we glad our soldiers can respond, even to the smallest threat to our nation? And 24/7, citizen soldiers stand by, ready to respond, while the rest of us sleep. Is this weak?

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Do not be mistaken. Our training is tough. There are always risks involved in training to fight. To say we can erase the risks is to say lets train a paper tiger, an Army with no aggression, an Army that cannot last, an Army that cannot defend. But what we do is to mitigate and minimize these risks. Have the safety systems in place. Train progressively. Condition the body. And most importantly, take care of our people. But the risks will not disappear. This is the cost our society needs to pay for its own defence and survival. Are we prepared to continuing saying yes, or hide behind our cowardice and pray someone will save us one day?

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Are there near-misses, definitely. I was in Officer Cadet School before this, training Officers, training leaders. The training is tough, because we need to ensure these young boys can lead, and these young boys will never give up in adversity. I will always remember G, who collapsed during training despite our watchful eyes. I will never forget the safety rover speeding and swerving through traffic to get him to a doctor. I will never forget his eyes opening and closing, his speech slurring, his body shaking. I will never forget holding his hand, keeping a strong face, and keeping him awake. I will never forget in desperation to get him to respond, I recited the Officer's Creed. And I will never forget, in his semi-conscious state - he repeated - "I am... an Officer... of the Singapore Armed Forces... My duty... is to lead... to excel... to overcome... I lead my men... by example... I dedicated... my life... to Singapore..."*

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G commissioned, became a Platoon Commander, and was a great leader of men. Is this weak?

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G, yes, Officer Cadet, but he's not the only one with such determination. Our mono-intake soldiers - yes, some of them will try to fake injuries, malinger their way out of training. But most - I have to watch them closely not because they are faking, but I have to watch them closely, because despite injuries, these soldiers want to push on. The L9 (undeployable in field) soldier asking me whether he can go outfield. The soldier who sprained an ankle during soccer, with his leg in a cast, apologized to me for not able to train. The soldier, who on the eve of flying for overseas training had stomach ulcers and internal bleeding, asked me whether I can force his discharge from hospital so that he can fly. The soldiers, with back, knee, ankle injuries, that I have to force to sit out. There any many more stories. Is this weak?

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Of course, we have our Jeremy Kos. Read it here (http://www.jeremyko....erving-the-saf/). His logic is impleccable. Why serve so hard, when you may injure yourself? Do the bare minimum, serve the two years. Flawless logic. But let me ask you, when the first shot is fired, who do you want on the frontline? Our Jeremy, who I suspect, in his flawless logic, will save his own skin first, 'staying alive and injury-free', or my dear G, who I suspect, with bullets lodged in his thigh, shoulder and a sharpnel to his neck, will continue to fight on. Who do you want defending your country?

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That is the nature of National Service. We train hard for something we hope we never have to do. But if the button is pressed, we'd better be ready.

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But why are they so silent? Why do they not speak up? Why do they allow themselves to be insulted by the minority? Because they are professional citizen soldiers. They serve, so they do not boast. They do what the nation requires of them. They, our citizen soldiers, go on with their duty, 24/7, most of the time. All they ask for, is that their leaders take care of them, their families and girlfriends a little love, and the nation a little appreciation.

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George Orwell says - "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."*Are my soldiers ready to do violence if need be? I bet my life they are.

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What is worrying is that these are not career soldiers, signed on for life. These are citizen soldiers, young 18-year old boys. These are our very own people. When we talk "the Army", its not regulars like us, it is these NSFs, and NSmen. Our friends, our brothers, our sons, our fathers, our boyfriends. Has our society lost their appreciation for them? Has our society forget what they have done? Has our society - worryingly - lost the will to defend itself?

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PTE Lee's passing is sorrowful. But lets take his passing as an awakening - an awakening to appreciate what our citizen soldiers have done for us for the past 45 years. That there are sacrifices made, be it time, effort, or sometimes - life.

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Do share this, to speak out for our citizen soldiers. We all know with social media, the noisiest wins. We can allow the vocal minority to belittle all the sacrifices - including PTE Lee's life - or we can be united, be loud, and be heard.*Write your own story and experience, like he did (https://www.facebook...150737962292299). With NSmen like him, I'm confident our citizen soldiers will continue to defend what we call home.

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Most of us will die while doing meaningless stuff. But he died while serving his country. Its not what we lived for, but what we die for.

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****For PTE Lee Rui Feng Dominique Sarron***.

[Guest Guest]

Are girls able to withstand NS trainings?

[Guest Erotictales]

I find Ethan's graphic and verbose posting irrelevant. What gave rise to all of this is a third soldier dropping dead in training this year. That's almost one per month. Perhaps he doesn't quite realize that his emotional depiction works also to support that being trained to death is unavoidable in the name of defense. In fact he gives the impression of extolling it to be so.

If we love our nation and believe in real defense, then the work is towards preventing the most absurd of fatalities, ie thinning your own ranks in peacetime. Not regaling others with how hard you have trained or suffered or endured or sacrificed. His entire post makes his dedication to the deceased seems almost a casual afterthought.

[Guest Seriously]

I find Ethan's graphic and verbose posting irrelevant. What gave rise to all of this is a third soldier dropping dead in training this year. That's almost one per month. Perhaps he doesn't quite realize that his emotional depiction works also to support that being trained to death is unavoidable in the name of defense. In fact he gives the impression of extolling it to be so.

If we love our nation and believe in real defense, then the work is towards preventing the most absurd of fatalities, ie thinning your own ranks in peacetime. Not regaling others with how hard you have trained or suffered or endured or sacrificed. His entire post makes his dedication to the deceased seems almost a casual afterthought.

Seriously....Seriously....Are you serious????? Are you even a man? Oh wait. This must be some satire. Nobody could be so senseless to say that let alone any man who'd sacrificed 2 years of their prime.

[Guest Erotictales]

And there you have it. Yet another one who needs everyone to know he has SACRIFICED. It seems more important to you than doing something about your fellow soldiers dying.

[Guest Guest]

Singapore girls at Flowerpod forum attack NSmen: You are balless wuss pussy, idiots and mommy boys!

Singapore men may have sacrificed two years of their lives to serve National Service to keep the nation safe and secure, but their efforts do not seem to be appreciated or valued by some of the women here.

A discussion thread on Singapore’s popular forum for ladies ‘Flowerpod’ on the value of National Service turned nasty with several forumers posting derogatory comments about NSmen and National Service.

The harsh exchange of words was started when one male forumer called on the womenfolk to show more ‘appreciation’ of NSmen.

One of them ‘lovejuliet’ aka Wong Z J called Singapore NSmen ‘balless wussy pussy”:

Besides ‘lovejuliet’, other forumers have less than kind words as well.

Some other comments:

neine: i think i know where they received their army training from liao… “I am Sailor Moon, the champion of justice! In the name of the Moon, I will punish you! I will right wrongs and triumph over evil and that means you!”

diamondfericia: Not really because I think I can do it too. Moreover, the current NS life not as siong as my dad generation

poo42_99: Looks like these people wants to be very controlling. They insists that all people group-think with them. They cannot have people who thinks different from them and will harass those who dare to be vocally different.Haiz… Singapore already so strict on so many things. Now got a bunch of 民军 who wants to give out punishments. Feels like we are going back to the darker ages

lovejuliet: DONT WANT TO DO THEN PROTEST OUTSIDE ISTANA OR PARLIAMENT HOUSE LA! and how the gals show the appreciation ar? make them statue and take 3 joss stick and pray to them? sg so small, how to defend?? enemy drop one bomb, we sink to the bottom liao…

piglet87: Actual NS now is easy as compare it is in the past, Now sg guy got their maid to carry their back pack for them. How tough is it arh??? We must say they are god, we love them to bit. they can go visit that 17 yr old hooker and we can pay for him.

VanHouton: Those guys who complain/grumble are just PLAIN SELFISH! What is wrong with you guys? Too comfortable living in Singapore? Too spoilt le??

Heresy: SG got no wars with other countries YET, so protect what? Protect our legs from being bitten by mosquitoes?

The controversy surrounding NS was sparked off by one Singapore girl Zheng Huiting who jiggled at the unfortunate death of a NSF Pte Lee Rui Feng during training recently. She has since apologized for her insensitive remarks.

[Guest Guest]

To the ladies of Singapore, from an NS girl

I was once in green as well. And though any Singaporean guy can tell you this, I just thought it’ll be good to come out from another girl’s mouth, just so you know it’s not about “weak”ness, male egos and however else females somehow like to insult their brave NS men with So ladies, I know that the NS experience is the equivalent of a fairy story to you. But just so you know how privileged you are –

You may laugh at how funny botak heads and black spectacles look. For a new recruit whose name has become “Eh, Recruit”, and not the name he has had since always and will maybe lose to weird nicknames in the next two years of his life: at the most important stage of his life thus far, that is the last of his worries.

As you wake up leisurely just think about how they wake up, after 7 hours of sleep, to yet another punishing day of physical training.

As you freshen up remember that the amount of toothpaste they put on their toothbrush is one of the few decisions they actually get to make – at every other moment, they are told precisely what to do, and punished for anything short of robotic perfection.

As you choose what clothes to wear, know that he only has the choice between that still-damp-one-I-rinsed-in-the-sink and the-stinky-one-that-I-didn’t-get-to-wash.

And as you miss him, know that he is thinking of you every moment he can, as he does his monotonous physical exercises by each whistle blow, as he digs his shellscrape and the heat rash stings his entire body, as he listens to you say on the phone, “I wish you weren’t there. I don’t think I can do this for much longer”. Because, out of everything they have to endure, the only time I’ve seen them cry is when they think and talk about you. Their family.

Your boyfriend, your male friends, brothers and sons, may dislike the army for robbing him of his freedom and time, even his youth. Yet if you want to support them, don’t just side with them and resent the policy of NS too, just like that. Instead, please do your country a favour and treasure him, because otherwise he’s only got his buddy (and his rifle) and his commanders to watch his back and they’re all in this together; he’s got two years that he has no choice but to make the best of, while you are living your carefree life happily. Please don’t dismiss their efforts, mock the precious life that was lost and everything they sacrifice, to protect Singaporeans like you. And when they have ORDed, when they gang up together in their little huddles and talk about NS, please don’t feel left out.. I hope you feel appreciative. It’s the only thing your country demands of you in its defense.

Please do not take them for granted.

May PTE Lee rest in peace.

MELISSA SNG

[Guest Guest]

Nicole Seah salutes NSFs and NSmen for their courage and bravery

The unfortunate death of PTE Lee Rui Feng during a training in Lim Chu Kang recently followed by an outcry over an insensitive remarks made by a Singapore girl Zheng Huiting about it on Facebook has led to some intense debate on social media if the sacrifices made by Singapore men in National Service are appreciated by women.

Though Zheng has since apologized for her remarks, some other women continue to display their blatant ignorance and disrespect for National Service by launching baseless criticisms and attacks on men.

In a poll conducted on popular female forum ‘Flowerpod’, though the majority of netizens expressed their appreciation for NSmen, some forumers made snide and derogatory remarks about them which incur the wrath of others.

While MINDEF has maintained a stony silence on the controversy, one public figure has stepped forward to express her support for the contributions made by NSmen.

In a short post on Facebook, popular young politician Nicole Seah thank all NSFs and NSmen for their two years of National Service and salute them for their courage and bravery:

Meanwhile, the incident has galvanized Singapore men with many stepping forward to express condolences for PTE Lee and to speak up in support of fellow NSmen with one former Company Commander (OC) of Bravo Company, 14th Mono 4SIR Choy Yongcong writing on his Facebook:

“Why do they not speak up? Why do they allow themselves to be insulted by the minority? Because they are professional citizen soldiers. They serve, so they do not boast. They do what the nation requires of them. They, our citizen soldiers, go on with their duty, 24/7, most of the time. All they ask for, is that their leaders take care of them, their families and girlfriends a little love, and the nation a little appreciation.”

[Guest Seriously]

And there you have it. Yet another one who needs everyone to know he has SACRIFICED. It seems more important to you than doing something about your fellow soldiers dying.

You have a very serious issue. What I'm saying is that your remark is derogatory, presumptuous and shows your level of maturity. If the world has more of people like you, how can NS be improved and how can the lives of men be improved? Before anything could be done to help rebalance the inequality between men and women in Singapore, women need to be thoroughly educated on what men go through in NS, the good and the bad. In case you're not a real man, I shall just educate you on what these two years mean. Let's not even talk about the trials and tribulations, the emotional agony and misery of entrapment and loss of personal freedom that men go through during the two years(and, comparing this with the past saying how good it is now is like saying compared to the past women in the Middle East suffered worse so there's really no need to do anything about the current situation now). And let's not even mention the meagre allowance(to argue that your food and lodging are all provided for and the medical benefits is totally vacuous and unthinking). And let's not take into account the lagging behind of men as regards women in education and career.

In the workforce, employers resent NS men for their reservist liabilities and before NS the jobs that men could take up are very limited due to the period of availability. For JC guys, it's far worse. If they didn't do well, they could not even choose to retake and if they want to after their NS, it's nearly impossible(two mths of sch holidays could cause you to forget everything you've learned already, let alone two years!). And so their future is gloomy and uncertain all while they are trapped in a rut unable to do shit about it. And two years of your prime, honestly, they're taking more. An international study showed that men in Singapore die earlier than most other countries; the scientists attributed it to the two years of intense physical training and the fact that intensive physical activity that wears out the body stretched over two years would shorten the lifespan of men. Needless to say, although that study was published in many national newspapers BUT not in Singapore. You could not even find a trace of that international study in Singapore. Why? THEY don't want you to know that instead of merely taking 2 years of your lives, they're taking more effectively. And of course they're not stupid other factors were taken into consideration and it is in fact scientifically proven that excessive physical strain shortens lifespans. Google the study if you want but I shan't bother to explain further. The list goes on and on...Female chauvinism in developed countries had never been that much of a social epidemic until recent years. And all the while this is counterpoised by male chauvinism in developing countries. The world is fxxked up.

[Guest NeverSayNey]

An international study showed that men in Singapore die earlier than most other countries; the scientists attributed it to the two years of intense physical training and the fact that intensive physical activity that wears out the body stretched over two years would shorten the lifespan of men. Needless to say, although that study was published in many national newspapers BUT not in Singapore. You could not even find a trace of that international study in Singapore.

I am curious about this report, where is the link or where can I read up about it?

[Guest Seriously]

To the ladies of Singapore, from an NS girl

I was once in green as well. And though any Singaporean guy can tell you this, I just thought it’ll be good to come out from another girl’s mouth, just so you know it’s not about “weak”ness, male egos and however else females somehow like to insult their brave NS men with So ladies, I know that the NS experience is the equivalent of a fairy story to you. But just so you know how privileged you are –

You may laugh at how funny botak heads and black spectacles look. For a new recruit whose name has become “Eh, Recruit”, and not the name he has had since always and will maybe lose to weird nicknames in the next two years of his life: at the most important stage of his life thus far, that is the last of his worries.

As you wake up leisurely just think about how they wake up, after 7 hours of sleep, to yet another punishing day of physical training.

As you freshen up remember that the amount of toothpaste they put on their toothbrush is one of the few decisions they actually get to make – at every other moment, they are told precisely what to do, and punished for anything short of robotic perfection.

As you choose what clothes to wear, know that he only has the choice between that still-damp-one-I-rinsed-in-the-sink and the-stinky-one-that-I-didn’t-get-to-wash.

And as you miss him, know that he is thinking of you every moment he can, as he does his monotonous physical exercises by each whistle blow, as he digs his shellscrape and the heat rash stings his entire body, as he listens to you say on the phone, “I wish you weren’t there. I don’t think I can do this for much longer”. Because, out of everything they have to endure, the only time I’ve seen them cry is when they think and talk about you. Their family.

Your boyfriend, your male friends, brothers and sons, may dislike the army for robbing him of his freedom and time, even his youth. Yet if you want to support them, don’t just side with them and resent the policy of NS too, just like that. Instead, please do your country a favour and treasure him, because otherwise he’s only got his buddy (and his rifle) and his commanders to watch his back and they’re all in this together; he’s got two years that he has no choice but to make the best of, while you are living your carefree life happily. Please don’t dismiss their efforts, mock the precious life that was lost and everything they sacrifice, to protect Singaporeans like you. And when they have ORDed, when they gang up together in their little huddles and talk about NS, please don’t feel left out.. I hope you feel appreciative. It’s the only thing your country demands of you in its defense.

Please do not take them for granted.

May PTE Lee rest in peace.

MELISSA SNG

Woah! I salute you Melissa SNG. The most sensible girl I'd come across yet.

[Guest Seriously]

I am curious about this report, where is the link or where can I read up about it?

I tried to google but couldn't find it. But I'm sure I'd read it before. Perhaps I need to get the keywords right.

[Guest yessir]

I'm touched by the fact that a woman like Melissa Sng actually exists; however, sadly, it's only because of the fact that she went through NS as well. How many women would remain as insensible or clueless after going through NS themselves? Of course, not all men are that noble, there are horrible men out there just like there are women; she's just talking about the general population. But indeed officers and sergeants go through shitloads more than that and there's simply no words to express it. So what's missing is the education about NS for women. I think the womenfolk ought to know what men go through, although I seriously think it would be a biased portrayal by Mindef just like how ridiculous the NS documentary was to many NS men. They, like all other government departments, only want to look good at the expense of the people.

[Guest il]

Oh btw, did you know that in Malaysia both men and women have to serve NS if unluckily selected? But only for 3 months so it's really nothing much. Some women in Malaysia served NS and some men did not have to. ISn't it hilarious to listen to women talk about NS while the men just listen in awe? That's what happened to me as I listened to my Malaysian friends talk. Unfortunately there's a severe racial inequality there.

[SeannyShortcake]

It doesn't really matter if women here are unappreciative of our nsfs.

Because we certainly are

The women in camps that can endure all the training don't exactly look veh desirable either...

Heh.

[Guest Erotictales]

You have a very serious issue. What I'm saying is that your remark is derogatory, presumptuous and shows your level of maturity. If the world has more of people like you, how can NS be improved and how can the lives of men be improved? Before anything could be done to help rebalance the inequality between men and women in Singapore, women need to be thoroughly educated on what men go through in NS, the good and the bad. In case you're not a real man, I shall just educate you on what these two years mean. Let's not even talk about the trials and tribulations, the emotional agony and misery of entrapment and loss of personal freedom that men go through during the two years(and, comparing this with the past saying how good it is now is like saying compared to the past women in the Middle East suffered worse so there's really no need to do anything about the current situation now). And let's not even mention the meagre allowance(to argue that your food and lodging are all provided for and the medical benefits is totally vacuous and unthinking). And let's not take into account the lagging behind of men as regards women in education and career.

In the workforce, employers resent NS men for their reservist liabilities and before NS the jobs that men could take up are very limited due to the period of availability. For JC guys, it's far worse. If they didn't do well, they could not even choose to retake and if they want to after their NS, it's nearly impossible(two mths of sch holidays could cause you to forget everything you've learned already, let alone two years!). And so their future is gloomy and uncertain all while they are trapped in a rut unable to do shit about it. And two years of your prime, honestly, they're taking more. An international study showed that men in Singapore die earlier than most other countries; the scientists attributed it to the two years of intense physical training and the fact that intensive physical activity that wears out the body stretched over two years would shorten the lifespan of men. Needless to say, although that study was published in many national newspapers BUT not in Singapore. You could not even find a trace of that international study in Singapore. Why? THEY don't want you to know that instead of merely taking 2 years of your lives, they're taking more effectively. And of course they're not stupid other factors were taken into consideration and it is in fact scientifically proven that excessive physical strain shortens lifespans. Google the study if you want but I shan't bother to explain further. The list goes on and on...Female chauvinism in developed countries had never been that much of a social epidemic until recent years. And all the while this is counterpoised by male chauvinism in developing countries. The world is fxxked up.

Your entire ranting shows you view NS as nothing but a severe liability and disadvantage. Which if you still do not realize, is derogatory and comprising to the very integrity of the service itself. Your concern is not what you achieve from serving, but how you have SUFFERED from it, how your life have been compromised for it. And you demand, as a right of malehood, that this be known and this be honoured. What difference is this from the girls who mocked national service?

[Bry]

Seriously....Seriously....Are you serious????? Are you even a man? Oh wait. This must be some satire. Nobody could be so senseless to say that let alone any man who'd sacrificed 2 years of their prime.

I fully agree with you. Erotictales has some problem. Ignore him.

[Guest Erotictales]

And you wonder why girls see you no up. Lol.

[Guest Hamster]

these girls should be put in a war situation, they think their white ang moh knight will come to their rescue. Many women do not know the truth that men will turn into sexual animals is war situation when there is no law, a young pretty girl , in fact any girl will be gang raped , one after another, one penis will go in her pussy , then the next , then the next, if she is suay she will be double fxxked , and her mouth will be filled and her hands have to prepare the next to cocks to fxxk her by fluffing.

Singapore girls have been having a good life so far, that memories of world war II is a far distance away,

whenever there is a war and law and order disappear, mass rapes is the fate of defeated women, gang rapes will be their fates, maybe they will learn to like mass conveyor sex after a while.

If the guy looks like alexis sanchez i don't mind getting raped this way..... lol

Anyway the woman who made that comment about the poor nsman is very uncouth and rude.... i am a girl but i know doing ns is tough tough training, political probs in ns... and countless of poor souls who committed suicide because of the harsh training.... there again hopefully the poor soul can rest in peace...

[topLTR_93]

Your entire ranting shows you view NS as nothing but a severe liability and disadvantage. Which if you still do not realize, is derogatory and comprising to the very integrity of the service itself. Your concern is not what you achieve from serving, but how you have SUFFERED from it, how your life have been compromised for it. And you demand, as a right of malehood, that this be known and this be honoured. What difference is this from the girls who mocked national service?

M'dear. We are a democratic country (at least in theory). We are not North Koreans who are brainwashed into serving the military with pride, not knowing that there are merely pawns in the Kim family's irrational and insane power monopoly. We each have our respective dreams and aspirations

Having to delay your dreams for 2 years, having to dumb yourself down to do mundane and robotic tasks, having to endure endless yellings and pushups, having to trade in your civilian comfort for the harshness of the military and having no tangible benefits after slogging 2 years over those who dont serve is already considered a worthy sacrifice.

Remember, national service is not only about the military. Theres economic, social, psychological defence as well. So in the event that you decide to give the best foot forward and in the process, you injure or even worse, die, Singapore would have lost a skilled personnel who may contribute in the long term when he joins the working world. It is a pity when soldiers die ... in peacetime!

I have friends who enlisted in Jan/Feb and I was so worried for them. My heart would flutter whenever i hear someone die while undergoing training, and pray that it isnt someone I know. How about their immediate family members? Have you people spared a thought for them while encouraging them to "put the best foot forward"? NEgligence, you say. "It happens", you say. But the fact that these deaths and injuries were preventable already speaks for itself.

All we are asking is recognition and appreciation for what we have sacrificed for MY country which is kinda ironic in the sense that it should come naturally.

Plus, how is viewing NS as a liability degoratory? We are all being forced to serve. I understand the rationale. I am sure that you wouldnt feel happy paying your exhorbitant taxes and hefty CPF deductions and you may be cursing and swearing when you see that amount. So in a way you are also insulting the integrity of Singapore's financial system as well. Its the same as national service!

erotictales: i suspect you are either a ultra nationalist who dont give a shit about the welfare of your men or a foreign 'talent' who doesnt understand the prejudices associated with National Service.

[Guest Hardtruth]

It is very clear that erotic tales is not a man. If he is, then he's seriously some illogical, severely prejudiced and sadistic person who has no compassion. Very sad, whoever you are...

[Guest Hardtruth]

If the guy looks like alexis sanchez i don't mind getting raped this way..... lol

Anyway the woman who made that comment about the poor nsman is very uncouth and rude.... i am a girl but i know doing ns is tough tough training, political probs in ns... and countless of poor souls who committed suicide because of the harsh training.... there again hopefully the poor soul can rest in peace...

Thank you for being an understanding girl. The number of suicide cases of NS men were sky high in the past when NS was inhumane and bordering on torture. Now, nobody commits suicide because of NS la haha. It's grueling but not crazy enough to kill.

[Guest Erotictales]

So, have you spared a thought for Darren's mother? You are still sane enough to see how all these moaning about how YOU are suffering from NS, and the sudden flux of emotional NS stories on FB is drawing attention away from the surviving victims of Darren's family. You accuse me of things like having no compassion, have you yourself place aside your lamentations and sought justice for Darren, for that Alex fellow who died in his ict, for that roti boy who dropped dead? Are you more keen on drawing attention to yourself, or have you spent even a second considering how mindef has still yet to give a proper reply?

If you haven't, don't try to bring your TRE style stories about FTs and such here. People aren't that stupid to just drink in all your laments. It gets old.

[Guest Hard truth]

So, have you spared a thought for Darren's mother? You are still sane enough to see how all these moaning about how YOU are suffering from NS, and the sudden flux of emotional NS stories on FB is drawing attention away from the surviving victims of Darren's family. You accuse me of things like having no compassion, have you yourself place aside your lamentations and sought justice for Darren, for that Alex fellow who died in his ict, for that roti boy who dropped dead? Are you more keen on drawing attention to yourself, or have you spent even a second considering how mindef has still yet to give a proper reply?

If you haven't, don't try to bring your TRE style stories about FTs and such here. People aren't that stupid to just drink in all your laments. It gets old.

You miss the point completely - worse than Torres. I wouldn't waste my time bothering to explain to you how utterly presumptuous and nonsensical you are. Lamentations? Seriously and the other commentors were merely decrying your utterly insensitive and insensible remarks. Sought justice? How do we improve the lives of NS men if civilians and powerful people are not aware of the trials and tribulations - some unnecessary and archaic - that most of them go through? The reason these things and many other ludicrously unjust things happen in NS is the lack of awareness and the stereotypical notion that the suffering men go through is justified. How do we change that? You are doing all men a disservice with your weird sadistic attitude that is covered by a veneer of completely delusional "patriotism" and "righteousness".

[Guest hardtruth]

Also, it is precisely the fact that we care about the mourning family and many others that compel us to raise awareness about the plight of many NS men. You're talking crazy and implying that we should instead throw a pity party for their family and let it stop there. We're not going to do that. We're going to stand up for him and raise awareness so that such cases, as well as countless other unpublicised ones would be lessened. Perhaps you may have good intentions but with a lopsided and quite out-of-touch-with-reality mindset, you'll be doing more harm than good.

[Guest hardtruth]

The only analogy of your erroneous mindset is that of those people who rejoice or at least feel glad when people die. These people have good intentions. The Earth is severely drained of its resources and if we continue to populate it and produce so much waste there will be no future. So these people think that deaths are good for the planet; so as long as people die, to be frank, it's not that much of a bad thing. There are others who feel that the elderly are an economic, social and environmental burden as they are no longer productive and are wasting Earth's resources. We can't say that those people are cruel or inhumane, but we can say that they're not thinking "correctly".

[Guest hardtruth]

I mean that's the only analogy I could think of. Sorry for the spamming; guests can't edit.

[Guest Erotictales]

Instead of attacking me, have you actually open your eyes to see how the country and the government that is just re-elected by two thirds of the people operate? Are you are so incredibly naive to think the top brass are ignorant? Have you for a moment consider they are well aware of what is happening but deem it unimportant to attend to? Till today, there is no formal statement from Mindef, from Ng Eng Hen, from Lawrence Wong, or from any of the Regiment Heads over the deaths. All we have received was a filmsy insistence in Parliament by Ng Eng Hen that medical health is paramount in the military, and Lawrence Wong's casual statement that some deaths are unavoidable, after he gleefully introduced the NS45 celebrations.

Conversely, within days, we get a splash of posts by officers and section leaders on FB, all referring to the most recent death, all glorifying the rigours of NS training, but all also dodging the matter of whether there was a safety or medical lapse. And following that we have a whole host of guys, like you, who deem your own suffering is so noteworthy and the only thing and only thing ever to do is to have official recognition by anything and everything, yes, from even ditzes on internet forums.

Have you ever look carefully at how the government, or Mindef, deals with such deaths? They go into overdrive to sweettalk you. They give you ceremonies, acknowledgements, emotional tales, cheap medals mass manufactured by a corporate gifts company, some cringing story covered by NS boys in Pionner. They give you hugs and kisses, pat your bottom and tell you you are a great boy and because so many guys like you are ravenous for recognition, that you equate recognition as improvement, attention gets drawn away from the real issue, i.e. that there was a bloody fxxking screw up. Admittedly Mindef does rectify several issues quietly; don't even try to challenge this, you will be smacked in the face. But as far as the recent deaths are concerned, obviously not enough has been done for men are still dying with increasing frequency.

You talk about raising awareness. So what awareness have you so far been raising? I read not a single negative tale in all these recent FB testimonies. In fact they seem to me to paint a very glorious, plastic picture of the hardship of military training.

You rain accusations on me that I am some weird extremist or patriot. You consider you are actually contradicting yourself? Because if I am a patriot, I will be agreeing hungrily with you how splendid and honourable your military tour is. But I am telling you, you are getting suckered. The only thing the SAF is willing to ever give NS guys is LIP SERVICE. LIP SERVICE that preys on you wallowing in self pity. Just to approve a 25 dollar increase for non officer reservists takes a TWO YEAR LONG COMMITTEE. The more you gulp this LIP SERVICE, the more likelihood things will never change. Open your eyes and have a GOOD CLEAN LOOK.

[Guest Erotictales]

By the way, HardTruth, it might have slipped your notice that the FB stories, like the one mentioned above, support and champion national service. (Hint: Read it carefully again). On the other hand, you in your heated state reveals yourself to actually be very negative about it. So you are in a way disagreeing with them, but wanting at the same time to share the attention.

[Guest Erotictales]

So sorry Hardtruths. Since you were so rude and accusatory towards me, I couldn't resist making you more miserable. You are obviously very young. Your rant centres around the two years of active service, your friends and all that. Well rejoice! It's going to get worse.

FAR WORSE.

1) As you age and your bones become brittle and your ligaments thin, you discover you still have to do that painful 1.5 mile run and leap like a frog and pull your chimney-chin-chin above a bar, otherwise, off to RT or IPT for you! And you will wonder when on earth did someone raising a chin above a metal bar won a war. But no one will ever answer you.

2) Each year, you will fret and rush like mad to settle your work before ICT and you will never achieve any decent outcome because the onus is never on you but on your boss and your customers. A good many of which, you will become increasingly paranoid of, may not see the need to be accomodating towards your citizen duties, particularly if they aren't Singaporean. Sorry, I should say, particularly if they are Singaporean because this may be their way of spitting on the system.

3) While you slog through tropical mud and diseases investigated by presidents' sons, your mind spins in circles over whether that gregarious, but insidious Pinoy chap or PRC dude in office is taking the opportunity to absorb your duties and your position. But there is no way for you to check, because your field exercise ends at 10pm and by the time you scamper back to office, they are at home masturbating to pxxn.

4) You will never have any sensible way of evaluating your concerns. Because employers attend SAF Day ceremonies and swear allegience and ministers of defense share in parliament that NS officers are always preferred at work without considering there are other ranks than officers and, and, the state media listen to them only because they are bigger shots than you.

5) If you are a slob, at least in the ways of the SAF, and you have to attend RT, recently increased to 20 compulsory rounds, you will notice slowly, your boss reduces your duties. Why give responsibility to someone who needs to vanish from office promptly, as empowered by law? You will spend many nights on bed, losing your libido simultaneously, wondering what is the real impact of that on your career.

6) You will discover that most of the time, reservist training is but a show. People share "skin numbing" stories of the joy of seeing their buddies and enjoying memories because most of the time in ICT, they do nothing but just that. All these at the expense of time that could be spent advancing your career and pay in a Singapore getting ever more expensive.

7) If you try to slink your way out of the system, you will get a laugh out of the intense terror doctors display when you tell them you wish to downgrade. If you so masterfully manage to arrange yourself into the procedure for downgrading, be prepared to spend a lot of time visiting and revisiting, and re-revisiting our camps.

8) To be fair, over the last decade, the SAF made many quiet improvements. But life as a NSman will NEVER improve for you. You know why? Because of resentful people like you. Your reservist platoon mates, unable to challenge the system, will take it out on you. If you pass your IPPT, they will scorn at you for being crazy-on. If you take effort in wearing a neat uniform, they will mock you for being pretentious. If you try to skive during ICT, be ready that they, not the regular officers, will be the ones to report you. That's called keeping an eye on your buddy.

9) Meanwhile, people from all over the world, cherished for their talents, continue to flood into Singapore, with no NS obligations. Thanks to the brave men and women who resisted realistically around GE2011, the current government has in significant ways limited their handing out of PRs and citizenships. But still, there are the ones who are already here, already PRs and New Citizens! They are your age. They are honoured as talents. You on the other hand is the guy who needs to "ilang" a few weeks every year.

10) Oh, it has yet to occur to you that the older you get, the more injury prone you get too? If you worry about your boyfriends getting injured now, wait till you're in your 30s. An injury is almost nature's promise.

11) At the end of not TWO years, but TWENTY YEARS minimum, all you have is a cert and a watch and some medals. And while your joints ache from that 1.5 mile run and you are trying to rest in bed, you wonder, what have I exactly spent the best span, not just the prime, of my life, doing? And I know you might be homo too, but in the scenario that you have a son, or sons, you begin to worry whether your kid's life going to be that way too. You try to voice out to leaders, to voted politicians, but they silence you by reminding that Singapore frowns on entitlement lobbying, and the state cannot allow ex soldiers to blackmail it.

Going through a field camp where you are tekan, getting bitten by mosquitos on Tekong, diving for cover under smoke grenades, and you have to sob and beg for recognition by invisible girls in women forums. I wonder whether you need an effigy built for you when you finally ROD.

[topLTR_93]

So sorry Hardtruths. Since you were so rude and accusatory towards me, I couldn't resist making you more miserable. You are obviously very young. Your rant centres around the two years of active service, your friends and all that. Well rejoice! It's going to get worse.

FAR WORSE.

1) As you age and your bones become brittle and your ligaments thin, you discover you still have to do that painful 1.5 mile run and leap like a frog and pull your chimney-chin-chin above a bar, otherwise, off to RT or IPT for you! And you will wonder when on earth did someone raising a chin above a metal bar won a war. But no one will ever answer you.

2) Each year, you will fret and rush like mad to settle your work before ICT and you will never achieve any decent outcome because the onus is never on you but on your boss and your customers. A good many of which, you will become increasingly paranoid of, may not see the need to be accomodating towards your citizen duties, particularly if they aren't Singaporean. Sorry, I should say, particularly if they are Singaporean because this may be their way of spitting on the system.

3) While you slog through tropical mud and diseases investigated by presidents' sons, your mind spins in circles over whether that gregarious, but insidious Pinoy chap or PRC dude in office is taking the opportunity to absorb your duties and your position. But there is no way for you to check, because your field exercise ends at 10pm and by the time you scamper back to office, they are at home masturbating to pxxn.

4) You will never have any sensible way of evaluating your concerns. Because employers attend SAF Day ceremonies and swear allegience and ministers of defense share in parliament that NS officers are always preferred at work without considering there are other ranks than officers and, and, the state media listen to them only because they are bigger shots than you.

5) If you are a slob, at least in the ways of the SAF, and you have to attend RT, recently increased to 20 compulsory rounds, you will notice slowly, your boss reduces your duties. Why give responsibility to someone who needs to vanish from office promptly, as empowered by law? You will spend many nights on bed, losing your libido simultaneously, wondering what is the real impact of that on your career.

6) You will discover that most of the time, reservist training is but a show. People share "skin numbing" stories of the joy of seeing their buddies and enjoying memories because most of the time in ICT, they do nothing but just that. All these at the expense of time that could be spent advancing your career and pay in a Singapore getting ever more expensive.

7) If you try to slink your way out of the system, you will get a laugh out of the intense terror doctors display when you tell them you wish to downgrade. If you so masterfully manage to arrange yourself into the procedure for downgrading, be prepared to spend a lot of time visiting and revisiting, and re-revisiting our camps.

8) To be fair, over the last decade, the SAF made many quiet improvements. But life as a NSman will NEVER improve for you. You know why? Because of resentful people like you. Your reservist platoon mates, unable to challenge the system, will take it out on you. If you pass your IPPT, they will scorn at you for being crazy-on. If you take effort in wearing a neat uniform, they will mock you for being pretentious. If you try to skive during ICT, be ready that they, not the regular officers, will be the ones to report you. That's called keeping an eye on your buddy.

9) Meanwhile, people from all over the world, cherished for their talents, continue to flood into Singapore, with no NS obligations. Thanks to the brave men and women who resisted realistically around GE2011, the current government has in significant ways limited their handing out of PRs and citizenships. But still, there are the ones who are already here, already PRs and New Citizens! They are your age. They are honoured as talents. You on the other hand is the guy who needs to "ilang" a few weeks every year.

10) Oh, it has yet to occur to you that the older you get, the more injury prone you get too? If you worry about your boyfriends getting injured now, wait till you're in your 30s. An injury is almost nature's promise.

11) At the end of not TWO years, but TWENTY YEARS minimum, all you have is a cert and a watch and some medals. And while your joints ache from that 1.5 mile run and you are trying to rest in bed, you wonder, what have I exactly spent the best span, not just the prime, of my life, doing? And I know you might be homo too, but in the scenario that you have a son, or sons, you begin to worry whether your kid's life going to be that way too. You try to voice out to leaders, to voted politicians, but they silence you by reminding that Singapore frowns on entitlement lobbying, and the state cannot allow ex soldiers to blackmail it.

Going through a field camp where you are tekan, getting bitten by mosquitos on Tekong, diving for cover under smoke grenades, and you have to sob and beg for recognition by invisible girls in women forums. I wonder whether you need an effigy built for you when you finally ROD.

I agree fully with your views

BUT you seem to be arguing that Hardtruths is not spreading awareness and that we are just sitting there and receiving honey-ed lip service from PAP. So the next question that I want to ask you is ... have you ever thought of going out there and making an actual change and "spreading awareness" instead of wasting time typing such a long argument that NS just basically sucks (which seem to be in line with what others are saying - so why kick up such a fuss?). Hypocrite, much?

[Guest Erotictales]

Ah the usual counter retort so favoured by netizens. But seriously, how would you know what I have done or would be doing?

Which is also irrelevant. Because I started by commenting about Ethan's story and I asked for proper investigation into the death, rather than focused on this very lofty how-we-have-all-suffered tragedy. Then folks like you came with all sorts of insults about my manhood and my views towards fellow soldiers. And you yourself actually think I'm an ultra nationalist. Sorry, but stupid is that?

Plus, you still misinterpret. I suppose conscription, even reservist duties, completely. But there is always room for improvement. And improvement never comes when the authorities think all that matters are fanciful shows and tearful speeches, and guys like HardTruths only keen on lapping those accolades up.

[Guest Erotictales]

Ethan's story particular disgusts me because of that part he wrote about how difficult it is for commanders to inform the parents of the deceased. Difficult? How difficult is it compared to the woman who gets summoned to the hospital to be informed the son who left home on Sunday night after dinner is now in the morgue, food partly digested? And he doesn't even highlight that, just emphasize on the, difficulty, of a commander in that position. What about if it's the commander himself who fxxking screwed up? Everyone seems to agree NS sucks but no one is considering it's the commander who screwed up?

And you have praise after praise, like an incessant hymn, thanking Ethan for his tale. It's incidences like this that convince me, not Paul Sim's type of war analogy, that our army will never win a war.

[Guest darrianeisaloser]

'Guys having to serve NS is a law , so why must gals appreciate guys.'   This comment was quoted from a know it all loser douchebag. Hello slut!    2 years after you have climbed up the coporate ladder , your male classmate has just started, and you are going to look down on him because you are higher up.   Right faggot bitch?          Such a simple concept also dont understand , and need guys to explain it to you.    now GTFO out of singapore.  With a personality like that , you belong in a dirty third world country

In Singapore men are at a disadvantage in almost every area, be it law, marriage, career in education, NS liabilities, etc. The hardship guys go through in NS girls would never understand.

 

[Guest Darriane low]

and btw lovejuliet,  I think u should get deported to Russia or Australia where there are neo-nazis who will wipe you out the moment they see you.   let's see how much sg female chauvinsts love white guys right then

[EasleyLim]

"Female chauvinists" are actually call feminist, just an fyi lol.

[Guest Feminist]

"Female chauvinists" are actually call feminist, just an fyi lol.

 

[lonely57]

Why is this up again lol. Who says ns is easy. Its a torture to me but I'm not complaining