Population Of Singapore Discussion (Compiled)

[ctr77]

Well the only thing I can say is that the cabinet is completely obsessed with their population plans. They are high up in their ivory tower, ignoring the concerns of those close to them, and completely oblivious to the dissent and anger brewing around them. The picture posted by Guest #253 is an accurate depiction of the sentiments on the ground, and given some time this anger will turn into hatred.

The higher up in the ivory tower they are, the further they will fall, and the more painful the fall will be.

And unfortunately they will make themselves learn it the hard way and they will only have themselves to blame when it finally happens.

[Guest Guest]

Those foreign news reporters are locals or FTs? Lol.

Aiyo..... Stuuuuuuupid bitch! Those news reporters from Bloomberg, cnbc etc to do this coverage. Of course they are foreigners la!!!

[Guest Guest]

than base on what the protest is, those news agency should use only local born reporters and future singapore government should not allow such foreigners to work in sg. If yes, why?

These protest are a load of crap. Ask most what they think, they will say sg too many foreigners, and that's it. How many should they allow in without affecting our way of life, without companies fleeing sg thus we be moving jobless. How can the govt tell future MNCs that sorry, you cannot place your execs from your home country here as you can only employ locals, u think they will set up shop here?

How many of these protesters will go home and have their Foreign Maids make them a cup of coffee?

Wah.... This guest has really lost the entire plot here. In the protest, even the white haired grandmothers are there worrying for their children and grandchildren. but yet this guest is claiming we are against people from coming here on business trips. And FYI, MNCs have been placing their foreign exec in Singapore since the beginning of this country. But it had never been such a case in our history when those MNCs need to flood our shore with 40% foreign trash when they can hire local Singaporeans.

[Guest Guest]

The engrish like that, how to accomodate and welcome? No thank u hor

Good lor.... If peeeepul outside dun lick our Ingrish lick tat, an dey dun cum in2 our county 4 tat leeson hor, den we maybe can say more Ingrish lick tat lor....Ok? Can? I also happy tat way leh!

[Guest Guest]

British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC): Rare mass rally over Singapore immigration plans

[Guest Guest]

People holding umbrellas attend a rally against a government white paper on population at Speakers' Corner in Singapore February 16, 2013. The paper released in January said the island's population of 5.3 million could grow by as much as 30 percent by 2030, mostly through foreign workers to offset a chronically low birth rate. The sign on bottom right refers to the year the next election is due. REUTERS

[Guest Guest]

"Child, I attended the protest for your future." - Mother

[Guest Guest]

[Guest Guest]

[FSL019]

So far in the history of mankind, when a regime topple, the immediate one tends to be inexperienced and cause even greater harm to the people. Examples including the French Revolution, the disintegration of Soviet Union, the early years of communism in China, the recent Arab spring, etc. I think we need to be prepared for a Singapore that will change in the face of massive discontent and which is less business friendly. Economy slowdown and protectionism seems inevitable now. My guess is that we may go the way of Greece.

For my fellow brothers asking for a change, you must stick this out with Singapore then through the upheaval that is to come. You must know that change will result in major pain before the new normal sets in, which in some cases take a whole generation. Then, your call for a revolution is not in vain.

[Guest Patriot]

LHL and his team have shown that all this while they have been trying to fix Singaporeans rather than the opposition. From now till 2016, the opposition parties better show that they are capable of forming an alternative government rather than just being an "assistant" or "co-driver" to the PAP. Let the competition begin!

[Guest Guest]

[Guest Guest]

Global news coverage of the Hong Lim Park protest against the PAP's population white paper:

CNN (United States)

BBC (United Kingdom)

The Wall Street Journal (United States)

Al-Jazeera (UAE)

Associated Press (United States)

Global Post (United States)

Scotland Post (Scotland)

South China Morning Post (Hong Kong)

Bangkok Post (Thailand)

Jakarta Post (Indonesia)

The Nation (Pakistan)

Getty Images (United States)

[Guest Guest]

The protest has gone global, making it to international news headlines!

Kudos to Transitioning.org, the organisers, the speakers and all involved in the protest for patriotism and freedom!

[Guest Guest]

More coverage:

RFI 法国华语新闻网 (France)

凤凰网 (China)

南洋商报 (Malaysia)

[Guest Guest]

Times of India (India)

Gulf Times (UAE)

[Guest 永春门副帮主]

LHL and his team have shown that all this while they have been trying to fix Singaporeans rather than the opposition.

LHL teams like to play reshuffling of cabinets game! Not sure Singaporeans realise this or not.

Suka-suka change here, change there.

They will be busy shuffling cabinets. We shall wait and see. :clap:

From now till 2016, the opposition parties better show that they are capable of forming an alternative government rather than just being an "assistant" or "co-driver" to the PAP.

Remember that female Professor interviewed on Channel 8 tv about on Punggol-East Live tele-cast?

According to her PhD theory hor, she is very positive that opposition will not take over Gov't in year 2016 leh.

Pardon me if I sound "buay-soong" - What we hope is, LHL step down before his dad "keer-qiiang" (<- some people know this ciim Hokkien). His dad empire dream can then be lowered down 6ft deep in a box.

[Guest Guest]

http://thehearttruths.com

Isn't this website set up by our very own Blowing Wind member, Sexiespider?

Thumbs up to you, Roy aka Sexiespider!! :clap:

[Guest Guest]

http://thehearttruths.com Isn't this website set up by our very own Blowing Wind member, Sexiespider? Thumbs up to you, Roy aka Sexiespider!! :clap:

Is it? :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

People often say ajs are bapokes. Now we have a aj here who has more balls than some kiasee straight married men who suffer quietly and dare not voice out. Roy & Gilbert Goh & Vincent & Ravi did us proud! Round of applause to them :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Guest End]

More people should visit theheartstruth.com to do some reading up. Some articles tend to be a bit lengthy but it is very enlightening and informative. Cheers.

[Guest Guest]

Although i am not NSP supporter, but i feel Gilbert Goh deserves a big award for all the things that he has done for people. Here's an article he wrote :

http://www.transitioning.org/2013/02/01/sinister-reason-why-pap-wants-6-9-million-population-by-2030/

Sinister reason why PAP wants 6.9 million population by 2030?

Just when Singapore was celebrating the euphoria of Worker’s Party enormous victory at Punggol East by-election by a landslide margin, a deflated PAP counter-punched with the sickening announcement that they will go ahead with the white paper’s 6.9 million population by 2030.

Now, no one is talking about the WP’s infamous victory as all coffee shop talk switched to the 6.9 million population target – a very effective counter distraction indeed!

Many friends I knew discussed about the matter in disgust and discontentment and some even gesticulated wildy when they spoke to me about the implications of having another 1.7 million people on our tiny island – mostly incoming foreigners from third world countries around us.

Systematic way to replace local Singaporeans?

To achieve 6.9 million population by 2030, the government has to bring in at least 90, 000 foreigners annually without fail.

The total composition of our population from 2004 to 2010 is as follows:- Singapore Population by Years Singapore Residents Non-Residents Year Total Total (Residents) Singapore Citizens Singapore Permanent Residents Number (Thousands) 2010 (Census) 5,077 3,772 3,231 541 1,305 2009 4,988 3,734 3,201 533 1,254 2008 4,839 3,643 3,164 478 1,197 2007 4,589 3,583 3,134 449 1,006 2006 4,401 3,526 3,108 418 876 2005 4,266 3,468 3,081 387 798 2004 4,167 3,413 3,057 356 753 2000 (Census) 4,028 3,273 2,986 288 755 1990 (Census) 3,047 2,736 2,624 112 311

Source: Asia Singapore

I have being talking to many people since that fateful announcement three days ago but not many seemed to agree with me that the real sinister intention of this large-scale human trans-migration is for the loyal votes of converted foreign citizens.

You can seive through the thick 50-page white paper to sense the desperation of our government’s intention to get in as many foreigners as possible each year and try to convert the permanent residents into willing citizens for their precious votes to stay in power.

Its methodical, effective and ruthless…

In less than two decades, foreigners will replace local Singaporeans systemically as the dominant population in the name of economics and low birth rate.

Though not all foreign citizens will vote for the ruling party in GE 2016 due to various reasons, 80% of them will definitely vote for the ruling party – more out of loyalty than anything else.

Their children – born naturalised citizens here – will also be coaxed by their appreciative parents to vote for the ruling party when they turn of age.

After Punggol East fell in dramatic fashion four days ago, the ruling party knew that their days could be numbered however one wants to argue about the by-election effect.

Swift decline in popularity of ruling party

Their downfall is on the cards and its a matter of time when they will fall out of power.

They ushered in their last trump card by announcing the shocking 6.9-million population growth by 2030 – two days after the fall of Punggol East into opposition hands.

Many Singaporeans are already unhappy with the pro-foreigner policy even before the announcement of 6.9 million population target, high cost of living and detached nature of the government.

Already, 130, 000 new citizens have voted in the last GE 2011 and it has somewhat stopped the rot at the polls or the ruling party or else PAP may have gone below the 60% majority votes received.

We have a total of 2.2 million voters during last election and 130, 000 foreign voters represent almost 6% of the voting contingent – a sizeable group which can help in critical hard-won constituencies.

Each year since the early 2000s, the government has being converting 15,000 to 20,000 new citizens and by the time it reaches GE 2016, there will be another new batch of more than 100,000 loyal eager-eyed voters ready to cast their votes for their benefactor.

Add in the 130, 000 existing foreign citizen voters and you have close to 250, 000 voters ready to cast their votes for the ruling party by GE 2016.

It is not surprising that this new group of foreign citizens will vote in blind loyalty to their master as it has provided them with new BTO flats which they can cash out in five years’ time, good-paying cushy jobs in our gleaming ofices and a promising future for their young children.

No employment protection in place for local Singaporeans

Throughout the 50-page White Paper, there is no mention of any employment protection whatsoever for local or foreign citizens – making them susceptible to replacement by any new incoming foreigner.

I have also heard that for any couple who has migrated here, only one party will convert to citizenship so that there will be another partner who still holds the homeland passport for a quick back-door retreat if things go awry here.

To ease things for this group of new citizens to apply for new BTO flats, HDB ruling allows only one citizen and the other partner can be a permanent resident for the application processing.

If both parties are permanent residents, they can only buy HDB resale flats.

More significantly, these new citizens’ votes will effectively cancel out any upcoming swing votes that the population will throw up in three years’ time.

Six percent of the population for the previous election swung their votes to the opposition parties – numbering almost 1300, 000 voters in a 2.2-million electorate effectively reducing the majority percentage votes of the ruling party from 66.6% to 60%.

For the recently-ended Punggol East by-election, close to 10% of the voters swung their votes i.e. almost 3, 000 voters switched camp from PAP to WP.

If the same six-percent vote-swinging precedence takes place in GE 2016, we can expect PAP to decrease their majority percentage votes to around 55%v from the current 60% mark.

And if this voting pattern persists, they will be out of power in two elections’ time or they may be in power but fail to enjoy a parliamentary majority forcing them to go into a coalition government with another dominant opposition party.

New foreign citizens maintain stronghold of PAP power

This slide however is effectively negate by the incoming foreign new voters – representing almost 120, 000 of new voters for the overall electorate of 2.2 million but efffectively mostly pro-government as they will vote out of loyalty to their master.

We must also not forget the 130, 000-strong pre-GE 2011 new citizen voters who may continue their loyalty to the ruling party by voting for them in GE 2016 though my belief is that after staying here for close to ten years, they may feel disenchanted with the country’s stifling environment and stressful work condition.

The next election will also adds in another huge new problem for the ruling party - close to 80, 000 – 100, 000 young voters from those coming from the more vocal Generation Y batch and mostly anti-government will join the new electorate which will further help to bring down the majority votes of the ruling party.

With many pro-PAP voters wanting to swing their votes now due to the WP’s trusted brand as a viable opposition party and fresh anti-government votes coming from the Generation Y group, PAP is really in a fix now and could lose power within two to three elections’ time if things go their natural way.

My take is that with 120, 000 new foreign votes coming on board every five years ready to vote for the ruling party, they could maintain power for as long as they want abeit in a less dominant way even though more opposition seats will be taken up during each election.

One must also remember that due to our slow birth for the past decade, there will be lesser new Generation Y voters coming on board every five years and local Singaoreans will also pass on but on the contrary, from now till 2030, 20, 000 new foreign voters will be there each year to steadily replace us till their voting representation supersedes that of the local voters.

From now to 2030 – which is a 17-year journey and with a conversion rate of 20, 000 new citizens a year, there will be almost 340, 000 new voters joining the electorate in a enlarged voting population of close to three million by 2030.

Each year, 20, 000 new citizens and another 20, 000 new Generation Y new voters will join the electorate effectively boasting the registrar by another 125, 000 as we must also take away an average of 15, 000 new local Sngaporean death each year i.e. 25, 000 X 5 years = 125, 000 new votes for each election period.

The only sickening fact of this whole voting conumdrum is that with each passing year, more pro-government voters are added to the registrar via the foreign citizenship conversion as more and more pro-opposition local Singaporeans will pass on.

By 2030, local Singaporeans may even form less than half of the voting population, effectively handing over the voting advantage to the new citizens – provided they do not swing their votes to the opposition camp after living here for more than ten years.

Conclusion

We have not even discuss the 200, 000-strong Singaporean contingent living and staying abroad now and its a huge largely anti-government group out there who do not have accessible opportunity to vote due to the lack of voting stations.

I am speculating and making alot of wild guesses that most of the foreign citizens will vote for the government but surely this is the PAP’s last trump card of which there is a reasonable mathematical chance of ensuring that they will stay in power longer than usual.

No government in the world has managed to stay in power for more than 50 years though and I am sure that the PAP is fully aware of their swift popularity slide and they will do anything out of the ordinary – even at the expense of sacrificng their own citizens to do that.

Power can destroy the morale conscience of any government and we have seen enough tragedy at the world stage to ignore this blatant truth.

Written By: Gilbert Goh

[Guest Guest]

A very incisive and accurate article by Gilbert Goh. Fully agree with his conclusions. Thanks for sharing.

[abang]

I wish I had gone to Hong Lim Park to show my support (but I was home looking after my aged mother and sick domestic helper).

Yes it is time for the garment to hear/listen/understand/work for us.

It is no longer a top-down approach - those days are gone forever.

It is time for PAP to rework their policies to suit the times.

Singaporeans are no longer "cold-blooded" to politics - especially to issues that affect us directly.

As much as SMRT and SBS Transit are listed companies and have to answer to their respective shareholders,

I sincerely hope they will not do another price hike this year.

Side-note:

Case 1

A Singaporean friend of mine with a college education was rejected at a job fair.

He applied for a teaching post at PAP Kindergarten.

He was rejected because "We" cant pay you that much.

I am not in this trade but if they dont employ qualified teachers, what quality do you except?

No wonder the kids cant speak properly.

Furthermore the fee charged isnt all that low!

Case 2

Another Singaporean friend of mine was let off because the company could hire 2 Indian nationals instead of him. He was then a teacher/admin manager in a private education provider. Yes it was really hot-sighted of that school because their business did not get better with cheaper labour.

Singaporean parents are not RACISTs. They are concerned that foreigners (even though they have MBA from Indian universities) are unsuitable for their children. The FT did not understand the local syllabus and school teaching pedagogy. Furthermore, which kid can tahan Indian-slanged English. Within months, all the tuition classes (taught by such FTs) were closed due to dwindling enrollment. It proves that certain jobs are cannot be simply replaced by FTs.

Edited February 17, 2013 by abang

[Guest Guest]

Tell your friend to aim higher and apply to Montessori kindergartens.

Anything to do with the PAP has a bad name these days.

[Guest Guest]

We import so called "talents", we also import their bad engrish. Landlord is referred to as rentee, tenant is renter. "Go back" is pronounced as "Go bark" by Letricia. U see? Cannot tahan their accent. Our 'Chiu Learn' will imbibe all these

[Guest 蒲松龄]

I wish I had gone to Hong Lim Park to show my support (but I was home looking after my aged mother and sick domestic helper).

Yes it is time for the garment to hear/listen/understand/work for us.

It is no longer a top-down approach - those days are gone forever.

It is time for PAP to rework their policies to suit the times.

Singaporeans are no longer "cold-blooded" to politics - especially to issues that affect us directly.

Abang ooi, we'll continue to like you in this forum if you stand together with opposition.

[monochrome]

I was there. I made a placard which said, "I'm against the white paper AND xenophobia." It was my first protest and I did not think to make it with waterproof materials - after a while, it just went limp in the rain and broke off into two from the rod I carried it with. The atmosphere was electrifying. And I sung the national anthem for the first time in 10 years, and in the crowd were Singaporeans of all races, ages and sizes. There were punks in their black metallic jackets, there were gay couples huddling under umbrellas, there was an auntie giving out muffins for free.

To those who wished they were there, we were there for you.

[Guest 蒲松龄]

No employment protection in place for local Singaporeans

Throughout the 50-page White Paper, there is no mention of any employment protection whatsoever for local or foreign citizens – making them susceptible to replacement by any new incoming foreigner.

Written By: Gilbert Goh

Very true! :clap:

Piloting job is one example. [1][2][3][4]. Local airlines still employing foreign pilots! We want ang-moh pilots to get out local air-operators now!

MOM and CAAS 狼狈为奸！Gov't did not save guard Singaporeans' job.

CAAS made it so tough for RSAF pilots and Singaporeans with foreign license to convert CAAS license. The CAAS licensing section staffs drawing high salary, kissing airlines asses and sucking foreign pilots' cock.

It is not that we do not want to work. CAAS made Singaporean pilots do mission impossible things. Better sack all CAAS licensing section staffs and scrap all SASP-2 regulations.

First and only aviation authority in the whole damn world do absurd and nasty things to their own citizens.

[Guest 蒲松龄]

I was there.

I was there too!

I wore white OCS polo t-shirt tucked in black tights to protest.

Next time protest, I may consider wearing number 3 or 4.

I did not think to make it with waterproof materials - after a while, it just went limp in the rain and broke off into two from the rod I carried it with.

Good effort thou!

[mamamia]

Some questions to ask : if PAP is replaced by WP or a coalition of opposition parties say in the next election, what will happen to Sg ? If all foreigners including the foreign workers holding laborious jobs like the cleaners , coffees shop attendants which locals shun etc , stop coming to SG what will happen to our economy and service industries ?

It is always easy to criticise and condemn , but the ultimate challenge is to solve the complex problems which SG is facing now - low birthdate especially among the Chinese and Indian communities , fast aging population and with a lack of natural resources , how are we going to sustain growth and keep our economy vibrant ? Are we prepared to live with a lower standard of living , dwindling property prices and probably a high unemployment rate which we have seen prior 2007 period ?

[Guest Guest]

If all foreigners including the foreign workers holding laborious jobs like the cleaners , coffees shop attendants which locals shun etc , stop coming to SG what will happen to our economy and service industries ?

Those people who are finally protesting are the PMETs, you think all foreign workers are here as cleaners and attendants only? That was the first wave, now even professions that can be taken up by dip/deg holders are taken up by all these cheap foreigners. You are still ignorant maybe because you are not affected yet.

[Guest Guest]

Some questions to ask : if PAP is replaced by WP or a coalition of opposition parties say in the next election, what will happen to Sg ? If all foreigners including the foreign workers holding laborious jobs like the cleaners , coffees shop attendants which locals shun etc , stop coming to SG what will happen to our economy and service industries ?

It is always easy to criticise and condemn , but the ultimate challenge is to solve the complex problems which SG is facing now - low birthdate especially among the Chinese and Indian communities , fast aging population and with a lack of natural resources , how are we going to sustain growth and keep our economy vibrant ? Are we prepared to live with a lower standard of living , dwindling property prices and probably a high unemployment rate which we have seen prior 2007 period

cleaners , coffees shop attendants which locals shun <------------- we welcome them, no problem, but not those white collar ones on employment pass. EP has no quota at all whereas WP and S pass has quotas. It should be opposite way instead.

They are paid more than twice the amount Obama & Bush gets, but their work load is half of theirs. It is their responsibility to solve "complex problems". If these problems are so easy to solve, why we paid 7 figures to them annually?

How are we going to sustain growth and keep our economy vibrant ? <------------ then how does korea malaysia TW & HK do it? They also have ageing problem & low growth rate, but they need not lay red carpet. Their gdp is not much worse than ours.

Importing foreigners is not panacea to all problems. Please do not be conned by the proposition "no foreigners = doom". In the 80s and 90s, they dont have that many foreigners, did the whole economy collapse?

[Guest End]

Some questions to ask : if PAP is replaced by WP or a coalition of opposition parties say in the next election, what will happen to Sg ? If all foreigners including the foreign workers holding laborious jobs like the cleaners , coffees shop attendants which locals shun etc , stop coming to SG what will happen to our economy and service industries ?

It is always easy to criticise and condemn , but the ultimate challenge is to solve the complex problems which SG is facing now - low birthdate especially among the Chinese and Indian communities , fast aging population and with a lack of natural resources , how are we going to sustain growth and keep our economy vibrant ? Are we prepared to live with a lower standard of living , dwindling property prices and probably a high unemployment rate which we have seen prior 2007 period ?

Hi I think you answer your own questions in your post.If political changes do come there will definitely be rough waves people must be realistic and be prepare to rough it out. PAP current strategy is creating social splits and divides and pushing all problems to a later date in exchange for economic growth. There really is no two way about it. It is either we bite the bullet now or wait for things to burst. Do it now while this island still has it singapore spirit or do it later when there is nothing left to protect. Sad to say it but Freedom and Happiness doesn't come free, it come with a price/fight. It all depend on what one choose to place importance on in life, money/ material or other intangible happiness in life.

[Guest 蒲松龄]

If all foreigners including the foreign workers holding laborious jobs like the cleaners , coffees shop attendants which locals shun etc , stop coming to SG what will happen to our economy and service industries ?

It is always easy to criticise and condemn , but the ultimate challenge is to solve the complex problems which SG is facing now - low birthdate especially among the Chinese and Indian communities , fast aging population and with a lack of natural resources , how are we going to sustain growth and keep our economy vibrant ?

Who ask our Singapore Gov't wants to be number one in the whole world? She has to face the ultimate consequence and pay the price.

Singapore has been relying too much on foreigners. ie., just like you are over using smart phone and you were asked to stop using hangphone, what/how will your life be?

Singapore extremely over, blindly and heavily replying foreigners! Singapore definitely must put a stop.

If Singapore continue to strive for number one in economic and financial stability, then, we are sorry.

Reduce foreign investment,

cut down foreign students into NUS/NTU/SMU,

cut down foreign pilots into local air-operators,

build less hospitals less dependent of foreign nurses,

stop being a big LP in ASEAN,

stop being number one in shipyard/seaport,

stop being number one in oil refinery in the region,

stop being number one in becoming aviation hub,

stop being number one in tourism industry,

stop being number one in many things

Number "one" in the world eventually caused problem to its nation.

We, the Singapore Citizens, are already unhappy and fed-up with Gov't. The only way for Citizens to retaliate and seek revenge is to vote PAP out immediately to stop all these nonsense.

[Guest Guest]

Mamamia, u got to start to learn how to digest their proposals and not blindly accept the things they say. What they say and what they do sometime is different, and what they say and what is factual may also differ.

Cedric Foo ever said to media that the white horse system in SAF is meant to ensure that sons of influential people does not receive favoured treatment. But we all know this is totally untrue. He then said if there is favouritism, please produce evidence so that they can investigate. This kind of thing, how to produce evidence? No one is capable of proofing.

They tell us "Do not fear". U honestly have no fear? Tsunami with that magnitude?

[Guest Guest]

Jack Neo must make a movie about this, it will break Singapore's box office records!

[monochrome]

Hi I think you answer your own questions in your post.If political changes do come there will definitely be rough waves people must be realistic and be prepare to rough it out. PAP current strategy is creating social splits and divides and pushing all problems to a later date in exchange for economic growth. There really is no two way about it. It is either we bite the bullet now or wait for things to burst. Do it now while this island still has it singapore spirit or do it later when there is nothing left to protect. Sad to say it but Freedom and Happiness doesn't come free, it come with a price/fight. It all depend on what one choose to place importance on in life, money/ material or other intangible happiness in life.

This is the truth, but it is the worst case scenario if the government collapses. The situation really doesn't have to burst. The best case scenario is a slow change in government, first starting with more opposition MPs, then a coalition government. By then, the situation will be far more stable than a sudden change. Ultimately, it is through difficulties and rough times that forms bonds with people, like in NS.

Only 5,000 out of 3.3 million Singaporeans turned up at Hong Lim park. The small minority who protested are not representative of Singapore at all. Xia suay? lol

5000/3,300,000 x 100 = 0.15% of the population. Sure that's a minority but it's a huge turn out considering the size of our population.

Edited February 17, 2013 by monochrome

[Guest Guest]

The only way for the PAP to learn is when it gets voted out of power.

Hope that day comes before LKY passes away.

[Guest Anti鬼佬]

Only 5,000 out of 3.3 million Singaporeans turned up at Hong Lim park. The small minority who protested are not representative of Singapore at all. Xia suay? lol

There are even more number protest at home. Who says must turn up？

You expect all Singapore soldiers, taxi drivers, ah-soh, uncle, drug-addicts, prisoners to join? Kii-sieow!

[Guest Guest]

Only 5,000 out of 3.3 million Singaporeans turned up at Hong Lim park. The small minority who protested are not representative of Singapore at all. Xia suay? lol

Not everyone will turn up. Many people still have fear. It does not mean only 5000 object. Those who did not go, they will know how to demonstrate their displeasure during voting. 39% of singaporeans is not a small minority.

Gstc82 u are really asking to be screwed. For all the stalking and bullying that u received, u deserve no sympathy because u asked for it.

[Guest Guest]

Next time protest, I may consider wearing number 3 or 4.

Good effort thou!

Ay u don't give people unnecssary panic hor. Scarly they see u wear number 4, they thought got recall or mobilisation they start panicking.

[Guest Anti鬼佬]

Cedric Foo ever said to media that the white horse system in SAF is meant to ensure that sons of influential people does not receive favoured treatment. But we all know this is totally untrue. He then said if there is favouritism, please produce evidence so that they can investigate. This kind of thing, how to produce evidence? No one is capable of proofing.

You are right.

How to provide evidence. We not even allow to take pictures in camp.

MBT's son is white horse. Different treatment.

I am also fed-up with MINDEF. Commissioned "tiong-kor-kiia" (Chinese Mainlanders) as SAF Officers!

MINDEF damn puah CB.

NgEH arh! NgEH ooi! Do you know Singapore born citizens with Singaporeans parents are unhappy that you commissioned these aliens as Officers?!

[monochrome]

Check this out: Hong Kong's South China Morning Post put the protest on its FRONT PAGE, as compared to our Straits Times. SHAME.

[Guest Guest]

http://www.channelne...1254477/1/.html

"we have heard Singaporeans loud and clear, and we want to respond to that in positive ways in the course of the next few months."

Looks like this hen going to do something to address the unfairness. All thanks to the punggol slap. Good slap! Before elections, we never hear them speaking in this kind of tone.

A few years ago, a ntu economist called tan kee ngiap announced a study that most jobs created goes to foreigners. Immediately he received an instant rebuttal from this hen. A few days later, this economist published an apology and amended his stance. We don't need to be too intelligent to guess what went behind the scene.

[Guest Guest]

I was there. I made a placard which said, "I'm against the white paper AND xenophobia." It was my first protest and I did not think to make it with waterproof materials - after a while, it just went limp in the rain and broke off into two from the rod I carried it with. The atmosphere was electrifying. And I sung the national anthem for the first time in 10 years, and in the crowd were Singaporeans of all races, ages and sizes. There were punks in their black metallic jackets, there were gay couples huddling under umbrellas, there was an auntie giving out muffins for free.

To those who wished they were there, we were there for you.

Kisses to Monochrome! Your placard is koyak, but nevertheless u are still so lovely! Thanks!!!

[ctr77]

Who ask our Singapore Gov't wants to be number one in the whole world? She has to face the ultimate consequence and pay the price.

Singapore has been relying too much on foreigners. ie., just like you are over using smart phone and you were asked to stop using hangphone, what/how will your life be?

Singapore extremely over, blindly and heavily replying foreigners! Singapore definitely must put a stop.

If Singapore continue to strive for number one in economic and financial stability, then, we are sorry.

Reduce foreign investment,

cut down foreign students into NUS/NTU/SMU,

cut down foreign pilots into local air-operators,

build less hospitals less dependent of foreign nurses,

stop being a big LP in ASEAN,

stop being number one in shipyard/seaport,

stop being number one in oil refinery in the region,

stop being number one in becoming aviation hub,

stop being number one in tourism industry,

stop being number one in many things

Number "one" in the world eventually caused problem to its nation.

We, the Singapore Citizens, are already unhappy and fed-up with Gov't. The only way for Citizens to retaliate and seek revenge is to vote PAP out immediately to stop all these nonsense.

Singapore is not number one in many of those industries.

In things like being an aviation and shipping hub, the reason Singapore is number one is because of its strategic location. But even today Singapore's future prospects of remaining an aviation hub are being challenged.

No amount of foreigners being brought in can cause Singapore to achieve number one in anything, except being known as the country which is number one at bringing in foreigners. While they may achieve this, standards in industries involving Health and Safety (ie. hospitals, etc...) will continue to drop, because the standard of training in countries where these people come from is simply not as high as that which is expected in Singapore.

[Guest Guest]

Finance - we still behind HK

Electronics - we lose to Korea/TW. I remember when i was in school, they keep talking about developing semi conductor industry, ping ping pong pong. Now they stop talking about it anymore, i think the industry here mati already. Chartered semi conductor also mati but TSMC is still alive in TW.

Now they talk about pharmacetical. In 2009 where there is h1n1 fear, china manufactured their own vaccine. Our Mr Khaw talked about this possibility, but end up......

Get the best person to do the job and pay the top dollar never mind the millions.

Singapore is not number one in many of those industries.

In things like being an aviation and shipping hub, the reason Singapore is number one is because of its strategic location. But even today Singapore's future prospects of remaining an aviation hub are being challenged.

[Guest 蒲松龄]

Ay u don't give people unnecssary panic hor. Scarly they see u wear number 4, they thought got recall or mobilisation they start panicking.

In that case, I shall stick to white OCS polo tee-shirt and white tights (like the one below) in the next protest.

Aii join maai?

I will secretly private message protestors to form a BW gang in the next protest. Shhh....

[monochrome]

Kisses to Monochrome! Your placard is koyak, but nevertheless u are still so lovely! Thanks!!!

Come and kiss me for real in the next protest (if there's any )

Okay kidding, I just want more people to stand up and be counted. This is our country, if we don't stand up for our beliefs, any beliefs, no matter what they are, then who else will?

[ctr77]

Singaporean parents are not RACISTs. They are concerned that foreigners (even though they have MBA from Indian universities) are unsuitable for their children. The FT did not understand the local syllabus and school teaching pedagogy. Furthermore, which kid can tahan Indian-slanged English. Within months, all the tuition classes (taught by such FTs) were closed due to dwindling enrollment. It proves that certain jobs are cannot be simply replaced by FTs.

Another point of thought - how do we know those MBAs are real? A few days ago an Indian foreign worker was charged for forging a certificate showing he had a degree from an Indian university. How many foreigners do we have out there who have secured their jobs by fraudulent means? Jobs that could have gone to Singaporeans with legitimate qualifications.

The fact that things like this could have happened goes to show one thing - companies are not interested whether you can perform. They are not interested in your experience, or in your references. As long as you are a foreigner, you are hired.

The position in question was that of an assistant manager at a laundry service company. Don't tell me that Singaporeans don't want to do a job like this. But of all people they had to choose from, they had to hire the foreigner. This case would never have come out into the open if the foreigner wasn't arrested for molesting a woman while moonlighting as a cleaner. How many other such cases are there that have not been uncovered yet?

Edited February 17, 2013 by ctr77