Right or wrong or grey area

[benedict5856]

Most of us here are gays.

We go sauna, meet men for sex, cruise, gay apps.... all for the sake of sex. To us, its common.

 

If u go urine in public toilet, and an old men stare at your dick, u turn away, acting high class.

If its a cute man looking at u, your heart will pound faster..... 

Or if u see someone cute, u will wanna discreetly exposed your dick to him, hopefully he is gay too....

 

But what if.... u are urinating inside the cubicle.... and then someone climb and peep at u.

 

This happen to me once. I never do anything or look at anyone.

it was at AMK mrt toilet, i wanna pee, saw an empty cubicle, go in, lock the door.

While peeing halfway, i saw 2 hands, trying to climb and peep over me.... 

How will you react?

 

At that point of time, i bang the cubicle with my hands, quickly go out, bang the door. The person dare not come out.

Few men are starring at me. After all its a busy toilet esp its at AMK.

I ran out and complain to the toilet cleaner.

We went in and that man (pervert) is gone.

 

So i have been wondering, am i going too far? after all we are of the same kinda. But does that mean he can molest us? peep at us?

I have been molested before by another man inside the bus. Even other passengers are shocked.... i quickly get off the bus and he followed.....

 

Or anyone has any similar incident?

[bluemature]

36 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

Most of us here are gays.

We go sauna, meet men for sex, cruise, gay apps.... all for the sake of sex. To us, its common.

 

If u go urine in public toilet, and an old men stare at your dick, u turn away, acting high class.

If its a cute man looking at u, your heart will pound faster..... 

Or if u see someone cute, u will wanna discreetly exposed your dick to him, hopefully he is gay too....

 

But what if.... u are urinating inside the cubicle.... and then someone climb and peep at u.

 

This happen to me once. I never do anything or look at anyone.

it was at AMK mrt toilet, i wanna pee, saw an empty cubicle, go in, lock the door.

While peeing halfway, i saw 2 hands, trying to climb and peep over me.... 

How will you react?

 

At that point of time, i bang the cubicle with my hands, quickly go out, bang the door. The person dare not come out.

Few men are starring at me. After all its a busy toilet esp its at AMK.

I ran out and complain to the toilet cleaner.

We went in and that man (pervert) is gone.

 

So i have been wondering, am i going too far? after all we are of the same kinda. But does that mean he can molest us? peep at us?

I have been molested before by another man inside the bus. Even other passengers are shocked.... i quickly get off the bus and he followed.....

 

Or anyone has any similar incident?

U are gay la. Try not to embarrass others publicly. There must be any alternative way. Think think.

[kratos]

I don't think you have gone far. It's seriously fucked up to try to peep at a public toilet so daringly. There are avenues to go, sauna and hook up apps, why resort of such drastic actions?

 

I have encountered obvious urinal peeping toms and people trying to get into my shower while I was in it. If they want to know me, just ask me for my number or ask me for a date, it's infuriating to get harassed like this. 

[Swimfun]

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Edited June 7, 2019 by Swimfun

[lean n mean]

Question - why complain to the toilet cleaner? What do you expect him to do? 

Question - have you not done something another person may find offensive? what if he reacts like you did? would you accept it and think you deserve it?

Question - if he is your type, would you react differently? 

I guess everyone has a different set of parameters when it comes to invasion of privacy. So there is no right or wrong reaction here. Especially when the chap did wrong in the first place, so he has to expect any consequences that may come after. 

[benedict5856]

11 minutes ago, lean n mean said:

Question - why complain to the toilet cleaner? What do you expect him to do? 

Question - have you not done something another person may find offensive? what if he reacts like you did? would you accept it and think you deserve it?

Question - if he is your type, would you react differently? 

I guess everyone has a different set of parameters when it comes to invasion of privacy. So there is no right or wrong reaction here. Especially when the chap did wrong in the first place, so he has to expect any consequences that may come after. 

 

bcas he is the one in-charge? capture the pervert and bring him to justice? i also dunno. thats my first reactions. 

I got freak out why someone is standing on top of me.

 

Yes, definitely i have did that. But to what extend?

If a person stands beside u and watch u peeing.... whats your tolerance level.

If u go inside a cubicle, and suddenly someone from behind rushed in. U got a huge shock. Whats your tolerance level

If someone took video of u peeing, whats yr tolerance level

Does some of these cruising actions becomes sexually harassment acts instead?

 

Sadly, i didn't see his face.

 

I am just sharing my experiences....

Was wondering anyone shared the same? its like, feeling it has crossed the border, too much already.

[blowmenow]

7 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

 

bcas he is the one in-charge? capture the pervert and bring him to justice? i also dunno. thats my first reactions. 

I got freak out why someone is standing on top of me.

 

Yes, definitely i have did that. But to what extend?

If a person stands beside u and watch u peeing.... whats your tolerance level.

If u go inside a cubicle, and suddenly someone from behind rushed in. U got a huge shock. Whats your tolerance level

If someone took video of u peeing, whats yr tolerance level

Does some of these cruising actions becomes sexually harassment acts instead?

 

Sadly, i didn't see his face.

 

I am just sharing my experiences....

Was wondering anyone shared the same? its like, feeling it has crossed the border, too much already.

u are right in ur response in ur own way, since u think he has crossed your level of tolerance

personally i think he really crossed the line

probably not in his own right frame of mind too, since its in the midst of busy toilet

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

So i have been wondering, am i going too far? after all we are of the same kinda. But does that mean he can molest us? peep at us?

I have been molested before by another man inside the bus. Even other passengers are shocked.... i quickly get off the bus and he followed.....

 

 

I think you went far too far.  Being peep at does not pose any danger to you.  This would be different if he enters the cubicle with you.

You banged at the cubicle wall, his hands disappeared and he didn't insist.    You should have done the same and not bang at his cubicle door.  Be tolerant and realize that you live in an imperfect world.

[benedict5856]

2 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I think you went far too far.  Being peep at does not pose any danger to you.  This would be different if he enters the cubicle with you.

You banged at the cubicle wall, his hands disappeared and he didn't insist.    You should have done the same and not bang at his cubicle door.  Be tolerant and realize that you live in an imperfect world.

 

If i am urinating on the outside, ppl try to sneak a peep, i think its still ok.

 

But to climb on top , and try to look down, when i am expecting to have my own 100% privacy, its like being raped.

[Guest sad]

It's sad there are apologists here trying to defend the peeper's actions..   If this was girl getting peeped, would these responses be the same? Sexual harassment is sexual harassment. 

 

If I were in OP's situation I certainly would've felt violated and upset as well. Especially if he was recording.

 

But it is also true that we live in a perfect world. However, that doesn't mean we should tolerate shitty behaviour. "Give them an inch they take a mile".  If you're really upset, perhaps make a complaint to the management of that public toilet? As for confronting the peeper, … confrontation isn't comfortable, but sometimes it's necessary to bring justice. Having said this, it's best to 察言观色.    

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/parliament-proposed-changes-to-penal-code-allow-men-to-be-considered-rape-victims-and

 

 

[Guest sad]

Just now, Guest sad said:

It's sad there are apologists here trying to defend the peeper's actions..   If this was girl getting peeped, would these responses be the same? Sexual harassment is sexual harassment. 

 

If I were in OP's situation I certainly would've felt violated and upset as well. Especially if he was recording.

  

But it is also true that we live in a perfect world. However, that doesn't mean we should tolerate shitty behaviour. "Give them an inch they take a mile".  If you're really upset, perhaps make a complaint to the management of that public toilet? As for confronting the peeper, … confrontation isn't comfortable, but sometimes it's necessary to bring justice. Having said this, it's best to 察言观色.    

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/parliament-proposed-changes-to-penal-code-allow-men-to-be-considered-rape-victims-and

 

 

we live in an IMPERFECT* world.  What a typo..

[Guest sad]

31 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I think you went far too far.  Being peep at does not pose any danger to you.  This would be different if he enters the cubicle with you.

You banged at the cubicle wall, his hands disappeared and he didn't insist.    You should have done the same and not bang at his cubicle door.  Be tolerant and realize that you live in an imperfect world.

This is just stupid, victim-blaming advice that will ultimately embolden the perpetrators. Imagine saying this to a female in the exact same situation. Do you realise how messed-up it sounds?  Why the double standard? Because we are men? Because we are gay men?  Do men, including gay men, not have a right to privacy and safety?

 

It's one thing to, as a gay man yourself, be aware that such things (cruising, sex/fun in public places like toilets, etc.) happen. <-- by the way, pretty much ALL of these things happen with CONSENT.      It's another to condone people who disrespect others and boundaries. 

[doncoin]

What was described by TS really comes down to an invasion of privacy. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation. 

 

If toilet cruising is a thing for the perpetrator, he could have done it in a more conducive environment, maybe those in a gay sauna where toilet cruising is a theme. 

 

Personally, I find toilet cruising a little gross. Besides having to deal with the smell and sound of people pooping, who knows what bacteria and germs are around. Seriously, is the scent and sound of people farting and shitting really that sexually intoxicating? 

 

 

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

If i am urinating on the outside, ppl try to sneak a peep, i think its still ok.

But to climb on top , and try to look down, when i am expecting to have my own 100% privacy, its like being raped.

 

5 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

it was at AMK mrt toilet, i wanna pee, saw an empty cubicle, go in, lock the door.

While peeing halfway, i saw 2 hands, trying to climb and peep over me.... 

How will you react?

 

 

You asked and I told you how I would react.  Nobody climbed and peeped on you!   You said it twice:  he TRIED, or so you thought.  If he had done it, you would have seen his face, but you didn't.   Yet you feel VICTIMIZED?

 

You would not peep like that, and I would not do that either.  We have the expertise, the means, the confidence to go to a gay sauna and peek at, grab, and suck plenty of cocks.  No one calls us rapists.  Who knows what is wrong with this guy you encountered? On top of his misery you want him to be punished?  Would that move society in a positive direction?  How much could this victimize him and others (his family, bf, wife?) ?

 

 

2 hours ago, Guest sad said:

It's sad there are apologists here trying to defend the peeper's actions..   If this was girl getting peeped, would these responses be the same? Sexual harassment is sexual harassment. 

 

 

What has "girl" to do here? No one said it would make a difference.  You have a very low threshold for "harassment".  In this case there was none of that.  There was no peeping. There was an intent that was immediately stopped by banging on the cubicle.  Should we react strongly to an intent?  This depends on the seriousness of the intent.  If he had shot a bullet to the TS and missed, this intent would have warranted all the action possible.

 

Remember the Nicholas Lim saga?  He was put on probation, suspended for one semester,  a measured slap on the wrist and adequate warning.  But the Monica, his "victim",  wanted him to go to jail, something that would have caused much, much more victimization to him, his gf, his family than she ever experienced,  and I am totally against that.  

 

2 hours ago, Guest sad said:

we live in an IMPERFECT* world.  What a typo..

 

Oh!!!  You made a misstatement, a MISTAKE!  But I think you should be totally forgiven.  Have a good day 

 

 

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Edited June 7, 2019 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, doncoin said:

What was described by TS really comes down to an invasion of privacy. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation. 

 

If toilet cruising is a thing for the perpetrator, he could have done it in a more conducive environment, maybe those in a gay sauna where toilet cruising is a theme. 

 

Personally, I find toilet cruising a little gross. Besides having to deal with the smell and sound of people pooping, who knows what bacteria and germs are around. Seriously, is the scent and sound of people farting and shitting really that sexually intoxicating? 

 

 

Well said!  I feel the same about toilet cruising.  I see in it same analogy with the bump who looks in trash cans and pulls out some food he can eat.   Should we blame him for stealing from trash cans, or the society that made him a bump?  

[benedict5856]

7 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

 

You asked and I told you how I would react.  Nobody climbed and peeped on you!   You said it twice:  he TRIED, or so you thought.  If he had done it, you would have seen his face, but you didn't.   Yet you feel VICTIMIZED?

 

You would not peep like that, and I would not do that either.  We have the expertise, the means, the confidence to go to a gay sauna and peek at, grab, and suck plenty of cocks.  No one calls us rapists.  Who knows what is wrong with this guy you encountered? On top of his misery you want him to be punished?  Would that move society in a positive direction?  How much could this victimize him and others (his family, bf, wife?) ?

 

 

 

What has "girl" to do here? No one said it would make a difference.  You have a very low threshold for "harassment".  In this case there was none of that.  There was no peeping. There was an intent that was immediately stopped by banging on the cubicle.  Should we react strongly to an intent?  This depends on the seriousness of the intent.  If he had shot a bullet to the TS and missed, this intent would have warranted all the action possible.

 

Remember the Nicholas Lim saga?  He was put on probation, suspended for one semester,  a measured slap on the wrist and adequate warning.  But the Monica, his "victim",  wanted him to go to jail, something that would have caused much, much more victimization to him, his gf, his family than she ever experienced,  and I am totally against that.  

 

 

Oh!!!  You made a misstatement, a MISTAKE!  But I think you should be totally forgiven.  Have a good day 

 

 

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Not sure whether your understanding of my English is bad or i type badly.

What u mean by nobody climbed and peep on u. 

if nobody does it, why would there be 2 hands above the cubicle? he is playing monkey swinging at the cubicle? or i having pure imaginations?

Though i didn't see the face but i think i did saw the hair. I do not need to see the needs to elaborate the exact details, bcas my question is not whether he peep at me or not, but am i going too far as to punish ppl of our kinda?

Is it called cruising then or sexual harassment.

And i am asking if anyone has any similar  experiences to share

[Steve5380]

29 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

 

Not sure whether your understanding of my English is bad or i type badly.

What u mean by nobody climbed and peep on u. 

if nobody does it, why would there be 2 hands above the cubicle? he is playing monkey swinging at the cubicle? or i having pure imaginations?

Though i didn't see the face but i think i did saw the hair. I do not need to see the needs to elaborate the exact details, bcas my question is not whether he peep at me or not, but am i going too far as to punish ppl of our kinda?

Is it called cruising then or sexual harassment.

And i am asking if anyone has any similar  experiences to share

 

Well, you have the right to react the way you find fit.    Fortunately, after you banged on the cubicle he desisted from whatever he was doing. 

In response to your question, I still think that the searching for some authority that could punish the guy went too far

I don't remember ever having been sexually harassed.  But then, I haven't cared if someone peeped on me, I don't feel this as harassment. 

[Guest Stopvictimbashing]

I don't think the TS went too far. He has the right to privacy. Peeping at the urinal is gray area, but people go into the cubicle for a reason. Can't we have a right to decide when we'd like to have our privacy? Must we hang a "do not disturb" sign? 

 

What is the victim isn't gay? Isn't it worse perception for the community? 

 

The peeping Tom should have expected such consequences. All the victim bashing is shameful. This forum is public. It doesn't help out cause.

[benedict5856]

Just now, -Ignored- said:

when I was small, maybe I will be afraid n I m too young to be judged for whatever actions

regd the Amk toilet
u shd know that the person likely is gay, u have already warnd him , I m not sure why the need to do further
 

 

bcas i feel molested?!?!?! 

Sad to say, i feel he is a pervert at that point of time. Everything happen so fast also.

[Guest Guest]

18 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

If i am urinating on the outside, ppl try to sneak a peep, i think its still ok.

 

But to climb on top , and try to look down, when i am expecting to have my own 100% privacy, its like being raped.

 

You like to claim you are so rich. Then you go build your own toilets all over the country for yourself lor.

 

What goes round, will come around. Since you have tried reporting the peeping Tom to the cleaners, and you yourself can claimed that you yourself have committed misdeeds before, let's hope that karma will rightfully serve you back on what you think is the right medicine to be given to others, so that you can have a taste of how your own medicine will taste like. 

 

Yes, even if there is an intrusion of privacy here, do you want to destroy the life of another gay? What if he is a young closeted chap with nowhere else to go and a conservative family to live with? Will you be happier if his entire life gets destroyed due to a single lapse of judgements like that? You have done enough by banging on the wall, but you went all out to try to report him to the cleaner and catch him. You are just like the bitch Monica Baey who went all out for Nicholas Lim's blood after the peeping Tom incident. 

 

This is not victim shaming. This is shaming a person lacking human empathy. You are really a true benePIG. 

 

 

[kratos]

4 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

You like to claim you are so rich. Then you go build your own toilets all over the country for yourself lor.

 

What goes round, will come around. Since you have tried reporting the peeping Tom to the cleaners, and you yourself can claimed that you yourself have committed misdeeds before, let's hope that karma will rightfully serve you back on what you think is the right medicine to be given to others, so that you can have a taste of how your own medicine will taste like. 

 

Yes, even if there is an intrusion of privacy here, do you want to destroy the life of another gay? What if he is a young closeted chap with nowhere else to go and a conservative family to live with? Will you be happier if his entire life gets destroyed due to a single lapse of judgements like that? You have done enough by banging on the wall, but you went all out to try to report him to the cleaner and catch him. You are just like the bitch Monica Baey who went all out for Nicholas Lim's blood after the peeping Tom incident. 

 

This is not victim shaming. This is shaming a person lacking human empathy. You are really a true benePIG. 

 

 

 

This is just double standard. Just because he's gay, we shouldn't report him? As many has pointed out, if it was a girl and another guy peep at her in the cubicle, I'm sure no one would bat an eyelid if he was reported to the police.

 

I'm sensing a lot of projection here.

[Guest Guest]

29 minutes ago, kratos said:

 

This is just double standard. Just because he's gay, we shouldn't report him? As many has pointed out, if it was a girl and another guy peep at her in the cubicle, I'm sure no one would bat an eyelid if he was reported to the police.

 

I'm sensing a lot of projection here.

 

Karma don't give a damn about legal matters and whether he is a man, woman or a pig. Bringing this up a second time, what goes round, will come around. Since he had tried reporting the peeping Tom to the cleaners, and he himself had claimed that he himself had committed misdeeds before, let's hope that karma will rightfully serve him back on what he thought was the right medicine to be given to others, so that he himself can have a taste of how his own medicine will taste like. 

 

If you feel so much for this benePIG, let's hope you get reported for whatever misdeeds you had ever committed too. I doubt you can be so squeaky clean. 

 

And don't pin the double standards on this Guest me here. I am not supportive of the bitch MonicaBaey who went all out for Nicholas Lim's blood after the peeping Tom incident. I only have one standard. 

 

[doncoin]

From the perpetrator's perspective, I would like to understand the need to "peep" at other guys doing their business. If the goal is to lend a helping hand to wipe the ass or find a guy to dump his fresh poop directly into the mouth, there are groups out there which I am sure a simple google search will produce the answers. (There are also groups for guys looking for guys to fart directly into their face BTW). Rather than putting yourself in a public space where you risk unwanted attention, and resulting in a criminal offense, it is safer to find alt. fetish groups on line where you can act out your sexual fantasies. Whatever drives the need to "peep" it is more than voyeuristic for sure. 

 

Disposing personal body waste (i.e. peeing or pooping) is a private matter. For the perpetrator, I am sure you wouldn't enjoy having people watching you take a shit and wipe your ass (unless it is for an audience of people with that fetish). By invading the privacy of another person is disrespectful and rude. 

Edited June 8, 2019 by doncoin

[Steve5380]

21 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

But to climb on top , and try to look down, when i am expecting to have my own 100% privacy, its like being raped.

 

You surely have never been raped.  Your comparison devalues the seriousness of rape.

 

A rape is preceded by a physical assault that takes full control of the body of the victim.

While being peeped...   it is simply your image projected (upside down) on the retina of a person who is at a certain distance from you.  No comparison !!  You can stay unaware of being peeped on.  You won't be unaware of being raped!   

 

These ideas can help you to get desensitized, for your own good, from the fear of being watched. Someone sees you naked?  No big deal,  unless you are making an illegal exhibition in public.   I used to be concerned when I had to use a bathroom whose door didn't lock.  What if someone came in, thinking that it is empty?  Now I don't worry at all. If this ever happens, I will say "busy" and the person will make a quick retreat.  Not worth the move of a single hair on my head.

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Edited June 8, 2019 by Steve5380

[Guest Me too]

On 6/7/2019 at 10:40 PM, benedict5856 said:

Most of us here are gays.

 

 

At that point of time, i bang the cubicle with my hands, quickly go out, bang the door. The person dare not come out.

Few men are starring at me. After all its a busy toilet esp its at AMK.

I ran out and complain to the toilet cleaner.

 

You did the right thing (In bold Blue) but became extreme (in Bold RED). 

 

 

I was once a victim of other people sticking his head over my partition, just to watch me poo and I have to quickly clean my ass and ran out half-done with my "business".  To say it was irritating is an understatement.   It wasn't a pleasant experience when one needed the privacy to release the stomach ache without any disturbance but was intruded.

 

 In a bigger scheme of thing, such desperate peeping monkey did indeed smears the LGBT images. Luckily, majority of LGBT people are well-behaved and living our life with certain dignity and respect for others. 

 

To put it in perspective, it happens in Straight world, where professional, scholars or individual with bright futures, committed similar offence which is equally mind boggling and getting rather old.   You are not alone.

 

Let's leave what lies beneath the climber's mind for another day.  Nobody can fully understand why clementi uncles have the perserverence to stand in a toilet, reeked with ammonia, shit smell,  strong cigars, slimey floors and security cameras, for hours just to catch that proverbial prey and than a good looking guy walked in to use the toilet, the rest became history.

 

Casual peeping at other people's dick during peeing cannot be easily challenged in court. Climbing over the cubicle cannot be an excuse to avoid punishment.  Knocking your CUBICLE wall  suffice to send a clear message you do not wish to be disturbed. If that person persisted, you simply  SHOUT!!! to draw the surrounding attentions and who knows, straight people might just come to your rescue.    

 

Banging the toilet door to force a climber to surrender will create a scene and your face will be remembered by 90% of the gay onlookers in there. I've hoped, nobody flip their smart phone to video you, in action and then have them put on social media.  It is a no win-win situation.  You need to control your blood vessels.

 

On the other hand, please spare the cleaner from the trauma of your predicament.  Toilet cleaners  have a tough time cleaning shits without minimum wage and  also putting up with gay people standing there for hours,  posing inconveniences for cleaners to get their shitty jobs done quickly.  Now, you want them to act as "law enforcer" for you?   I don't think it was mentioned  in their employment contract if they are legally employed.

 

There is nothing you can do to confront the climber openly.  Really, are you going to beat him up, copy his IC and report to the police with no evidences.  Isn't it a hassle going thru so much work and unhappiness in the name of seeking  "justice", when you are also likely to do the "gay" thing upon your gay hormones calling?

 

My point is, should a gay try to unmask another gay inorder to expose him publicly?  My dear,  It is not your job. Let someone with the right position to catch the monkey for you, not now, but....eventually.

[fab]

Once I was in a jacuzzi. Another guy came into it. He kept intentionally touching my toe with his toe while I kept moving away.

 

After his third attempt, I told him, do u mind leaving me alone, in a as polite manner as I could. He turned pale and ran away.

Edited June 8, 2019 by fab

[Guest 2000]

Climbing to the top of the stall to peep down on a guy (or girl) taking a poop is 100% wrong. How dare some of you attack Benedict as if he is the bad guy! He has every right to feel violated and to try to confront the Peeping Tom. More people need to be just as aggressive and drill it into the heads of perverts that some lines should never be crossed.

 

I have also been peeped upon while sitting on the toilet at a shopping mall before, but my diarrhea was so bad that I couldn't even get off the toilet and chase the asshole, even if I had tried. Now think about how precarious my position would have been if he had even worse intentions? Luckily he ran out of the toilet as soon as he realized I caught him.

 

The peeper being gay doesn't matter. Some gays have posted videos of innocent victims pooping on Tumblr. It is gays like those who give the entire gay community a bad reputation in society! Today there are plenty of ways for gays to meet and interact with other gays. Even if he has a scat fetish there are also websites, platforms, and groups for it.

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, fab said:

Once I was in a jacuzzi. Another guy came into it. He kept intentionally touching my toe with his toe while I kept moving away.

 

After his third attempt, I told him, do u mind leaving me alone, in a as polite manner as I could. He turned pale and ran away.

 

LOL!  I have done such a move too.  And if you told me to "please leave me alone" I would have said "yes, of course" with a smile, without getting pale or running away 

 

1 hour ago, Guest 2000 said:

Climbing to the top of the stall to peep down on a guy (or girl) taking a poop is 100% wrong. How dare some of you attack Benedict as if he is the bad guy! He has every right to feel violated and to try to confront the Peeping Tom. More people need to be just as aggressive and drill it into the heads of perverts that some lines should never be crossed.

 

 

Why you insist that some have "attacked" Benedict?  He asked for feedback, and we gave it.

Yes, more people need to be ASSERTIVE first,  then only if necessary become aggressive, but never vengeful.

[Guest Guest]

4 hours ago, Guest 2000 said:

Climbing to the top of the stall to peep down on a guy (or girl) taking a poop is 100% wrong. How dare some of you attack Benedict as if he is the bad guy! He has every right to feel violated and to try to confront the Peeping Tom. More people need to be just as aggressive and drill it into the heads of perverts that some lines should never be crossed.

 

I have also been peeped upon while sitting on the toilet at a shopping mall before, but my diarrhea was so bad that I couldn't even get off the toilet and chase the asshole, even if I had tried. Now think about how precarious my position would have been if he had even worse intentions? Luckily he ran out of the toilet as soon as he realized I caught him.

 

The peeper being gay doesn't matter. Some gays have posted videos of innocent victims pooping on Tumblr. It is gays like those who give the entire gay community a bad reputation in society! Today there are plenty of ways for gays to meet and interact with other gays. Even if he has a scat fetish there are also websites, platforms, and groups for it.

 

Did anyone even implied in anyway that peeping is right? Nobody said that at all. We all know peeping is wrong. But to throw the entire book on anyone just because of a misdeed, is not what a human society is all about. How would you feel if you get thrown into jail because you littered? Do you want the full force of justice to land on him as heavily as possible just because of a misdeed? If that's the case, I wonder how you will feel if you get the same treatment. Those who have not sinned can go ahead and cast the first stone. Are you really so squeaky clean to go cast stones on others? People like you will love living during the Japanese occupation martial law period. 

 

9 hours ago, doncoin said:

From the perpetrator's perspective, I would like to understand the need to "peep" at other guys doing their business. If the goal is to lend a helping hand to wipe the ass or find a guy to dump his fresh poop directly into the mouth, there are groups out there which I am sure a simple google search will produce the answers. (There are also groups for guys looking for guys to fart directly into their face BTW). Rather than putting yourself in a public space where you risk unwanted attention, and resulting in a criminal offense, it is safer to find alt. fetish groups on line where you can act out your sexual fantasies. Whatever drives the need to "peep" it is more than voyeuristic for sure. 

 

Disposing personal body waste (i.e. peeing or pooping) is a private matter. For the perpetrator, I am sure you wouldn't enjoy having people watching you take a shit and wipe your ass (unless it is for an audience of people with that fetish). By invading the privacy of another person is disrespectful and rude. 

 

Why is there a need for an explanation for you? Do we need to explain to anyone why we are gay? Some people exhibit, some people peep. Some people smoke cigarette, some people loves TV. To each our own. Of what business is it of yours that anyone of the above has to let you know why they are as they are? You will have your nuances. Why do you need to explain it to me if I challenged you? For example, your boyfriend is a good for nothing jobless old man who contribute nothing to the society. Why do you want to stay with him, and even sought ways to bring the parasite into singapore to become another unemployed trash? Would it work for you if we are to inform the ICA of this "unnatural partnership" coming into Singapore after we figure out who you are, since you seem to like the idea of having everything reported to the authorities for any infringement of the law, such as the potential infringing of the 377a law after you come into Singapore? You are nothing more than a hypocrite over and over again. 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Those who have not sinned can go ahead and cast the first stone. Are you really so squeaky clean to go cast stones on others?

 

 

Well said.  Jesus deserves to be quoted.

Here in the US we have one of the highest, if not the highest, rate of incarceration in the world.  So many poor souls were punished in the "war on drugs" with "zero tolerances", and now marijuana is becoming legal!  We must also have the highest rate of people in government who are totally free of sin,  starting with Donald Trump  

[kratos]

18 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Karma don't give a damn about legal matters and whether he is a man, woman or a pig. Bringing this up a second time, what goes round, will come around. Since he had tried reporting the peeping Tom to the cleaners, and he himself had claimed that he himself had committed misdeeds before, let's hope that karma will rightfully serve him back on what he thought was the right medicine to be given to others, so that he himself can have a taste of how his own medicine will taste like. 

 

If you feel so much for this benePIG, let's hope you get reported for whatever misdeeds you had ever committed too. I doubt you can be so squeaky clean. 

 

And don't pin the double standards on this Guest me here. I am not supportive of the bitch MonicaBaey who went all out for Nicholas Lim's blood after the peeping Tom incident. I only have one standard. 

 

 

I have never done such a deed before and never will. Seriously, it's so easy to get hook up with all the apps, sauna what not, it's a lot tedious to go peeping over other cubicles.

[Guest Guest]

9 minutes ago, kratos said:

 

I have never done such a deed before and never will. Seriously, it's so easy to get hook up with all the apps, sauna what not, it's a lot tedious to go peeping over other cubicles.

 

Good that you have never done such a deed before and that you never will. But that still doesn't mean you are so squeaky clean that you are entitled to throw any stones at anybody. You do not need to be a peeping tom to be reported for other types of misdeeds. 

 

And since benePIG has gone that far to report the peeping Tom to the cleaners, and he himself had claimed that he himself had committed misdeeds before, let's hope that karma will rightfully serve him back on what he thought was the right medicine to be given to others, so that he himself can have a taste of how his own medicine will taste. 

[kratos]

Just now, Guest Guest said:

 

Good that you have never done such a deed before and that you never will. But that still doesn't mean you are so squeaky clean that you are entitled to throw any stones at anybody. You do not need to be a peeping tom to be reported for other types of misdeeds. 

 

You need to understand not all gay guys cruise and have random causal sex. Some of us actually prefer to go on dates rather have mindless fun. I have never done anything without asking if the other party wants it. You are stereotyping all gay guys.

[benedict5856]

After reading the post, some said i am abit too much, actions should just stopped after banging the door, my piggy fans constantly stalking me (feeling flattered), etc

What if u are the one who heard a scream from yr 5 year old daughter/sister that someone is peeping at her, will u bring that pervert to justice? or u can't prove anything, etc, and let it go?

Its easy to say thing such that it sounds like ownself is so forgiving person, but if it happen to someone close, i dunno u lah..... maybe u also very forgiving.

After all, i am NOT a saint, or sin-free. but does not mean i can continue to let others sin (on me).

        

Being a gay, does it mean i have to close one eye if another gay tries to be funny in the public?

If complain, it means we are not an understanding,forgiving person?

what is the border/tolerance line?

 

With regards to Monica and Nicholas issues, obviously its Nicholas fault right from the start. And then in the end it becomes Monica. Simply amazing.

 

My question right from the start is, am i going too far? or anyone has any similar incident......

[benedict5856]

6 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Good that you have never done such a deed before and that you never will. But that still doesn't mean you are so squeaky clean that you are entitled to throw any stones at anybody. You do not need to be a peeping tom to be reported for other types of misdeeds. 

 

And since benePIG has gone that far to report the peeping Tom to the cleaners, and he himself had claimed that he himself had committed misdeeds before, let's hope that karma will rightfully serve him back on what he thought was the right medicine to be given to others, so that he himself can have a taste of how his own medicine will taste. 

 

You read bible everyday ah.... 

Open mouth, keep on talk about throwing the first stone.

So the bible teaches u to call ppl names ah.... all the pig stuff.

Which chapter, which verse? 

Bible got teaches u karma mehz?

 

So even if a person is clean, does that mean he can start throwing stone?

So can i ask those babies to throw stones and kill ppl?

Throwing stone, is it hurting ppl? 

[SensualMassage_T]

On 6/7/2019 at 10:40 PM, benedict5856 said:

Most of us here are gays.

We go sauna, meet men for sex, cruise, gay apps.... all for the sake of sex. To us, its common.

 

If u go urine in public toilet, and an old men stare at your dick, u turn away, acting high class.

If its a cute man looking at u, your heart will pound faster..... 

Or if u see someone cute, u will wanna discreetly exposed your dick to him, hopefully he is gay too....

 

But what if.... u are urinating inside the cubicle.... and then someone climb and peep at u.

 

This happen to me once. I never do anything or look at anyone.

it was at AMK mrt toilet, i wanna pee, saw an empty cubicle, go in, lock the door.

While peeing halfway, i saw 2 hands, trying to climb and peep over me.... 

How will you react?

 

At that point of time, i bang the cubicle with my hands, quickly go out, bang the door. The person dare not come out.

Few men are starring at me. After all its a busy toilet esp its at AMK.

I ran out and complain to the toilet cleaner.

We went in and that man (pervert) is gone.

 

So i have been wondering, am i going too far? after all we are of the same kinda. But does that mean he can molest us? peep at us?

I have been molested before by another man inside the bus. Even other passengers are shocked.... i quickly get off the bus and he followed.....

 

Or anyone has any similar incident?

 

You are right ! 

[Guest not precious]

OMG, I think someone is being a little bit precious!

[Guest Guest]

35 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

With regards to Monica and Nicholas issues, obviously its Nicholas fault right from the start. And then in the end it becomes Monica. Simply amazing.

 

It wasn't that Nicholas wasn't punished. Nicholas had indeed been punished, but it is just that Monica felt the punishment wasn't good enough for HER, so she went all out and wanted to see Nicholas die from an even heavier hand of (in)justice by harassing him and naming him, his family and his girlfriend in social media. Nobody said being a peeping tom is the right thing to do, but who is Monica Baey and her elitist family to decide if the justice meted out is enough or not enough?? If Monica Baey and her elitist family feels that the punishment is insufficient, they should be bringing it up to the people who meted out the punishment. If voyeurism is a crime, do you mean that the HARASSMENT of Nicholas on social media is not? If EVERYONE goes around taking matters into their own hands just because they felt that justice has not been sufficiently served, will people be able to get away with vigilante murder next if they felt that the law wasn't fair? The only thing that's so amazing is your tunnel vision of only seeing the peeping tom issue, but not the social harassment issue.

 

Just like in your case, a warning bang wasn't enough for you. Perhaps even shouting at him is not sufficient enough for you. You wanted the peeping tom to die. 

 

人在做，天在看。The peeping tom will get his retribution, just like how you will also get yours for your call for blood. Two wrongs do not make one right. I will leave this discussion now as it is now. I am a firm believer of karma. Looking at all your previous post, I can assure you your own retribution will come sooner or later.  Good luck.

[Guest Hush!]

The peepers might be a guest, or members, watching every comment in this thread while eating his potato chips now.

[benedict5856]

31 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

It wasn't that Nicholas wasn't punished. Nicholas had indeed been punished, but it is just that Monica felt the punishment wasn't good enough for HER, so she went all out and wanted to see Nicholas die from an even heavier hand of (in)justice by harassing him and naming him, his family and his girlfriend in social media. Nobody said being a peeping tom is the right thing to do, but who is Monica Baey and her elitist family to decide if the justice meted out is enough or not enough?? If Monica Baey and her elitist family feels that the punishment is insufficient, they should be bringing it up to the people who meted out the punishment. If voyeurism is a crime, do you mean that the HARASSMENT of Nicholas on social media is not? If EVERYONE goes around taking matters into their own hands just because they felt that justice has not been sufficiently served, will people be able to get away with vigilante murder next if they felt that the law wasn't fair? The only thing that's so amazing is your tunnel vision of only seeing the peeping tom issue, but not the social harassment issue.

 

Just like in your case, a warning bang wasn't enough for you. Perhaps even shouting at him is not sufficient enough for you. You wanted the peeping tom to die. 

 

人在做，天在看。The peeping tom will get his retribution, just like how you will also get yours for your call for blood. Two wrongs do not make one right. I will leave this discussion now as it is now. I am a firm believer of karma. Looking at all your previous post, I can assure you your own retribution will come sooner or later.  Good luck.

 

Monica will live forever with a label "she has been peeped" 

5 years, 10 years, ppl will still remember, talking behind her back, making a joke out of it.

Nicholas might be punished, but since when the law has been fair enough, for the victim.

I don't approve of her actions, but i never blame her actions. 

It all will never start if Nicholas never do those kinda acts.

 

My karma will come or not, dunno lor. U pray lor.

Oh.... i never believe in karma, maybe u watch too many drama series, that bad ppl always will die in the end.  So either your belief is correct or mine is. Cannot be half half.

Bcas we are both firm believer of karma and non-karma, i wonder who is right..... So maybe u wanna created another topic about karma.

[doncoin]

16 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Why is there a need for an explanation for you? Do we need to explain to anyone why we are gay? Some people exhibit, some people peep. Some people smoke cigarette, some people loves TV. To each our own. Of what business is it of yours that anyone of the above has to let you know why they are as they are? You will have your nuances. Why do you need to explain it to me if I challenged you? For example, your boyfriend is a good for nothing jobless old man who contribute nothing to the society. Why do you want to stay with him, and even sought ways to bring the parasite into singapore to become another unemployed trash? Would it work for you if we are to inform the ICA of this "unnatural partnership" coming into Singapore after we figure out who you are, since you seem to like the idea of having everything reported to the authorities for any infringement of the law, such as the potential infringing of the 377a law after you come into Singapore? You are nothing more than a hypocrite over and over again. 

 

By understanding how others think, makes one less judgmental, show more compassion. You've attacked me on a personal level, and I am curious as to why? 

 

If you inform ICA about my parasite by all means. It is your prerogative. I never said that "i like the idea of having everything reported to the authorities..."  

 

Even if you figure out who i am etc. and report me to the authorities for breaking the section 377a, for the law to be enforced, there must be evidence that the law is broken. The interesting thing about 377a is the lack of clarity on the term "gross indecency." To bring back to the topic of this discussion, peeping over the toiler cubicle is not classified as gross indecency but can be challenged under other sections of the law, i.e. invasion of privacy.  So, to report me to the authorities, you need to demonstrate that I am breaking the law. You need to define what is "gross indecency" specifically. Singapore law has a broad definition, and if I am to be charged under 377a, then for the law to be fair, every gay man in Singapore, will have to be charged for breaking the law from those having sex in the privacy of their homes, to those on web cams, etc. 

 

Anyway, call me a hypocrite by all means.

[ballzter]

On 6/8/2019 at 7:59 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

You like to claim you are so rich. Then you go build your own toilets all over the country for yourself lor.

 

What goes round, will come around. Since you have tried reporting the peeping Tom to the cleaners, and you yourself can claimed that you yourself have committed misdeeds before, let's hope that karma will rightfully serve you back on what you think is the right medicine to be given to others, so that you can have a taste of how your own medicine will taste like. 

 

Yes, even if there is an intrusion of privacy here, do you want to destroy the life of another gay? What if he is a young closeted chap with nowhere else to go and a conservative family to live with? Will you be happier if his entire life gets destroyed due to a single lapse of judgements like that? You have done enough by banging on the wall, but you went all out to try to report him to the cleaner and catch him. You are just like the bitch Monica Baey who went all out for Nicholas Lim's blood after the peeping Tom incident. 

 

This is not victim shaming. This is shaming a person lacking human empathy. You are really a true benePIG. 

 

 

Omg

"do you want to destroy the life of another gay?"

Regardless of sexual orientation, regardless of the type of crime, regardless of predicaments, everyone should face the consequences of our actions.

Edited June 9, 2019 by ballzter

[Guest M54]

Does it cross your mind that you had just make ang mo kio mrt toilet to be dangerous for those cruising there after your complain? That desperate gay had cross the line, however did you also cross the line by reporting to the cleaner? One day you might meet someone in that toilet and both of you might get caught having fun in that toilet.

[Guest Guest]

4 hours ago, ballzter said:

Omg

"do you want to destroy the life of another gay?"

Regardless of sexual orientation, regardless of the type of crime, regardless of predicaments, everyone should face the consequences of our actions.

Really? So do you also think it is right for people to have their hands chopped off for pickpocketing and for humans to be stoned for adultery, since that's the law in Brunei now? Are human being running the law now, or machines? Perhaps in your eyes, a small kid littering is as guilty as an adult littering and they are both as guilty as the wheelchair bound guy for littering? Look at the article (https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singpost-postman-threw-away-mail-special-needs-ang-mo-kio-imda-11550406) here, how dare SingPost rehire the postman who threw away the letters again, since you yourself had said regardless of the type of crime, regardless of predicaments, everyone should face the consequences of our actions. No doubt, peeping is wrong. But thank goodness the judges are still humans instead of robots like you.

 

5 hours ago, doncoin said:

By understanding how others think, makes one less judgmental, show more compassion. You've attacked me on a personal level, and I am curious as to why? 

  

 

Because hypocrites like you living high up in the ivory tower away from Singapore think you are so high and mighty and better than all of us, and you give advice bordering on dangerous ones that may work in the Western hemisphere but will do nothing except for bringing us close to harm here in Sg, such as urging people to do something about situations when you know that the people were not in the power to do so. And you further mock them by claiming that they were 'whining' and 'complaining' instead of taking action, all the while you were in the safety of your faraway land. So perhaps bringing the matters to a personal level to you can help with your understanding a bit better. 

[doncoin]

2 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Because hypocrites like you living high up in the ivory tower away from Singapore think you are so high and mighty and better than all of us, and you give advice bordering on dangerous ones that may work in the Western hemisphere but will do nothing except for bringing us close to harm here in Sg, such as urging people to do something about situations when you know that the people were not in the power to do so. And you further mock them by claiming that they were 'whining' and 'complaining' instead of taking action, all the while you were in the safety of your faraway land. So perhaps bringing the matters to a personal level to you can help with your understanding a bit better. 

 

 

I get what you are saying. I supposed if the organizers of the first Pink Dot decided that having a form of gay pride that worked in the Western hemisphere was too much of a personal risk, and they should not have organized one, because hypocrites like myself are exposing them to danger, life would have been so much different. At some point, we just have to figure out what we want to fight for and choose our battles wisely. 

[Guest Guest]

52 minutes ago, doncoin said:

 

 

I get what you are saying. I supposed if the organizers of the first Pink Dot decided that having a form of gay pride that worked in the Western hemisphere was too much of a personal risk, and they should not have organized one, because hypocrites like myself are exposing them to danger, life would have been so much different. At some point, we just have to figure out what we want to fight for and choose our battles wisely. 

 

Ooooooo...... Someone is trying to take credit for the Pink Dot movement now??? Did YOU do anything to "fight for" participation in the Pink Dot movement now? Whoa..... 

 

You are not just a hypocrite. You are a credit snatcher too! 

[benedict5856]

i have been wondering, after reading the comments,  is it so wrong then to complain to the cleaner? Bcas i wanted him to be jailed? i nothing better to do?

My thoughts at that point of time is not bcas he is gay or what, but he is a sick pervert.

Unless we had eyes contact, we both agree, ok lor. sub-standard abit..... but now this become an action of a sickening pervert.

Under the eyes of straight men, if a man had anal sex with another man, its sick, pervert, degrading.

But to us gays, its normal, thats what who we are. 

But a man like a girl, and peep into a woman's toilet, is that acceptable then? if no, thats where all the recent NUS peeping incident issues, then what makes a man peeping another man in a male toilet less pervert behaviour, but its should be accepted instead?! just bcas we are gays, we like guys? So woman being peeped, is also ok? i can't feel being 'raped'?

Oh ... by the way, the cleaner is a woman. 

Also, this incident has happened 2-3 years ago.

[Guest nothing wrong]

Benedict5856 you did nothing seriously wrong.

No guy has any right to infringe the privacy of someone else inside a cubicle and trying to look over another cubicle.

It doesn't even matter if the guy was gay or straight or whatever.

He just doesn't have a right to infringe your personal privacy in seeking relief (whatsoever) in a closed toilet.

 

There is no such thing that you need to restrain only because he is eventually a "brother" gay guy.

The infringer should only peep over if the other person in the cubicle allows or wants but not to peep over if any stranger or no signal has given to him to peep over.

 

It was not even wrong to complain with the cleaners. I can understand the first anger after noting the guy trying to peep over.

 

Such guys who do not respect the privacy of others and lost any reasonable view of right and wrong need to learn a lesson in life.

Being nude in a private cubicle in a public toilet doesn't mean you can peep over to your sexual pleasure or arousal.

 

I assume you just hit a toilet which seems to be used by such cruisers frequently and the guy mistakenly thought you are there to cruise.

However, he was wrong and had no rights to infringe your privacy.

At least such a person must make sure that the other party doesn't mind his actions or has agreed to him peeping over.

As long as this doesn't happen, then the infringer is an infringer and nothing else.

 

Some cleaners would not bother, maybe call the security and then the guy gets a warning. I would assume that for guys who are caught multiple times, the security might call the police.

I m sure many cleaners know what is going on in some toilets.

 

In various countries guys give signals through the foot looking over or waving a hand on toilet cruising.

 

But honestly, some years back at the City Link toilet I noted a guy with a mirror at the cubicle peeping over to the other cubicle. I was very upset too.

I banged his door too.

I remember one guy was once brought to court for notorious "cruising" in the City Link toilet. for sure it were straight guys who were fed up and reported him.

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

i have been wondering, after reading the comments,  is it so wrong then to complain to the cleaner? Bcas i wanted him to be jailed? i nothing better to do?

My thoughts at that point of time is not bcas he is gay or what, but he is a sick pervert.

Unless we had eyes contact, we both agree, ok lor. sub-standard abit..... but now this become an action of a sickening pervert.

Under the eyes of straight men, if a man had anal sex with another man, its sick, pervert, degrading.

But to us gays, its normal, thats what who we are. 

But a man like a girl, and peep into a woman's toilet, is that acceptable then? if no, thats where all the recent NUS peeping incident issues, then what makes a man peeping another man in a male toilet less pervert behaviour, but its should be accepted instead?! just bcas we are gays, we like guys? So woman being peeped, is also ok? i can't feel being 'raped'?

Oh ... by the way, the cleaner is a woman. 

Also, this incident has happened 2-3 years ago.

 

2 to 3 years ago?? At least your conscience has been knawing on you for that long for you to be still wondering if it was the right thing to do. And no, this has nothing to do with our sexuality at all. This is about the balance of being over-reacting and that of being forgiving. You have clearly over reacted and lack forgiveness by reporting the situation to the cleaners in the hope of hunting him down. Let's hope you get what you deserve one day, when you get hunted down for your own misdeeds in the near future. 

 

2 hours ago, Guest nothing wrong said:

Benedict5856 you did nothing seriously wrong.

No guy has any right to infringe the privacy of someone else inside a cubicle and trying to look over another cubicle.

It doesn't even matter if the guy was gay or straight or whatever.

He just doesn't have a right to infringe your personal privacy in seeking relief (whatsoever) in a closed toilet.

 

There is no such thing that you need to restrain only because he is eventually a "brother" gay guy.

The infringer should only peep over if the other person in the cubicle allows or wants but not to peep over if any stranger or no signal has given to him to peep over.

 

It was not even wrong to complain with the cleaners. I can understand the first anger after noting the guy trying to peep over.

 

Such guys who do not respect the privacy of others and lost any reasonable view of right and wrong need to learn a lesson in life.

Being nude in a private cubicle in a public toilet doesn't mean you can peep over to your sexual pleasure or arousal.

 

I assume you just hit a toilet which seems to be used by such cruisers frequently and the guy mistakenly thought you are there to cruise.

However, he was wrong and had no rights to infringe your privacy.

At least such a person must make sure that the other party doesn't mind his actions or has agreed to him peeping over.

As long as this doesn't happen, then the infringer is an infringer and nothing else.

 

Some cleaners would not bother, maybe call the security and then the guy gets a warning. I would assume that for guys who are caught multiple times, the security might call the police.

I m sure many cleaners know what is going on in some toilets.

 

In various countries guys give signals through the foot looking over or waving a hand on toilet cruising.

 

But honestly, some years back at the City Link toilet I noted a guy with a mirror at the cubicle peeping over to the other cubicle. I was very upset too.

I banged his door too.

I remember one guy was once brought to court for notorious "cruising" in the City Link toilet. for sure it were straight guys who were fed up and reported him.

 

Who said anything about gays trying to be forgiving to gays huh? Don't throw any red herrings around to distract our attention, and lay false claims to your baseless assumed reasons that we are trying to be forgiving to the gay peeping Tom simply because we are all gay. Do you see us being forgiving to TS who is also GAY? No, right? So why claim that we are trying to be forgiving to the gay peeping Tom because of our common sexuality? 

 

On the contrary, I am not going to be as forgiving to the TS as I am to the peeping Tom, simply because the TS is not forgiving to the peeping Tom himself. This, in itself, is a form of karma, because the unforgiveness that he had served to others is now being served straight back to him. However, if this is going to be the end of what karma will dish out to TS, can only be answered by karma itself. 

 

So who says karma don't exist? 

[benedict5856]

35 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

2 to 3 years ago?? At least your conscience has been knawing on you for that long for you to be still wondering if it was the right thing to do. And no, this has nothing to do with our sexuality at all. This is about the balance of being over-reacting and that of being forgiving. You have clearly over reacted and lack forgiveness by reporting the situation to the cleaners in the hope of hunting him down. Let's hope you get what you deserve one day, when you get hunted down for your own misdeeds in the near future. 

 

 

Who said anything about gays trying to be forgiving to gays huh? Don't throw any red herrings around to distract our attention, and lay false claims to your baseless assumed reasons that we are trying to be forgiving to the gay peeping Tom simply because we are all gay. Do you see us being forgiving to TS who is also GAY? No, right? So why claim that we are trying to be forgiving to the gay peeping Tom because of our common sexuality? 

 

On the contrary, I am not going to be as forgiving to the TS as I am to the peeping Tom, simply because the TS is not forgiving to the peeping Tom himself. This, in itself, is a form of karma, because the unforgiveness that he had served to others is now being served straight back to him. However, if this is going to be the end of what karma will dish out to TS, can only be answered by karma itself. 

 

So who says karma don't exist? 

 

See! you yourself are also not a forgiving person. U yourself said "i am not going to be as forgiving as TS'....

what is a person who believe in karma and yet not forgiving.....

Karma? oh please....

 

So when will yr karma come since you are not a forgiving person.