Right or wrong or grey area

[Enforcer]

I think it is wrong for anyone to invade your privacy without your permission.

You just got to do what you think is right at that point in time to redeem justification for yourself.

[kingbitch]

I can't believe some of you fucked up worthless shitholes do not think this is a big deal.

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

See! you yourself are also not a forgiving person. U yourself said "i am not going to be as forgiving as TS'....

what is a person who believe in karma and yet not forgiving.....

Karma? oh please....

 

So when will yr karma come since you are not a forgiving person.

 

 

 

Oooooo .. what a blatant display of deliberate misquotes here, you lying PIG! Thankfully, what was written previously can still be easily quoted for everyone to read in full context here. 

 

4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

On the contrary, I am not going to be as forgiving to the TS as I am to the peeping Tom, simply because the TS is not forgiving to the peeping Tom himself.

 

Those who are not forgiving to you, are at least forgiving to the peeping Tom. To whom are you being forgiving to, you bloodthirsty PIG?

 

 

3 hours ago, Enforcer said:

I think it is wrong for anyone to invade your privacy without your permission.

You just got to do what you think is right at that point in time to redeem justification for yourself.

  

Yes, the peeping tom was wrong. Let's make sure we all hunt down the peeping tom and call for blood to redeem justification together with the PIG next time, OK?  

 

2 hours ago, kingbitch said:

I can't believe some of you fucked up worthless shitholes do not think this is a big deal.

 

Ooooooo ... we are so sorry to disappoint you, your royal bitch highness. Lowly mortal being like us live in a completely different world from bitch royalties like you. So please head straight back to your pretty little bitch castle and hide there for the rest of your pretty little bitch life and stay in your pretty little bitch world before us worthless shitholes go defecate on your pretty little white bitch dress. 
 

[Steve5380]

On 6/9/2019 at 4:34 AM, benedict5856 said:

 

Monica will live forever with a label "she has been peeped" 

5 years, 10 years, ppl will still remember, talking behind her back, making a joke out of it.

 

 

Monica will forever be a role model for girls who want to promote themselves. SHE aggrandized the whole thing herself, for selfish reasons.

 

21 hours ago, ballzter said:

Omg

"do you want to destroy the life of another gay?"

Regardless of sexual orientation, regardless of the type of crime, regardless of predicaments, everyone should face the consequences of our actions.

 

You seem to live centuries in the past, when society believed that illness was the consequence of being sinful.  And so leprosy was a fair punishment!

How should a peeping tom be punished?  A fine?  Pulling out his eyes?  Execution? 

How about curing the underlying cause of peeping?  educating him to a healthy sex life?  This is not to be expected, so at least we can limit our reaction, be forgiving.  

[Steve5380]

7 minutes ago, -Ignored- said:

thinking that she got victimised and yet ..........
update of her behaviour https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/nus-accepts-all-recommendations-by-committee-on-sexual-misconduct-cases (although irrelevant to this case) and there is no case https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/monica-baeys-case-wont-be-reopened-even-nus-accepts-review-committees-call-tougher

 

And the Monica also wants a no-contact rule between victim and victimizer!   This may come from the voice of her conscience recognizing that SHE was/is even more the victimizer of the boy than the other way around.  But not to worry.  There probably is in her mind a kind of self-karma that will take care of finding justice.

[Guest nothing wrong]

6 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Who said anything about gays trying to be forgiving to gays huh? Don't throw any red herrings around to distract our attention, and lay false claims to your baseless assumed reasons that we are trying to be forgiving to the gay peeping Tom simply because we are all gay. Do you see us being forgiving to TS who is also GAY? No, right? So why claim that we are trying to be forgiving to the gay peeping Tom because of our common sexuality? 

 

On the contrary, I am not going to be as forgiving to the TS as I am to the peeping Tom, simply because the TS is not forgiving to the peeping Tom himself. This, in itself, is a form of karma, because the unforgiveness that he had served to others is now being served straight back to him. However, if this is going to be the end of what karma will dish out to TS, can only be answered by karma itself. 

 

So who says karma don't exist? 

 

But you blamed the TS for having called the cleaners for help and due to this the TS was put to destroy the life of a fellow gay.

 

The fact remains that the peeper intruded into the privacy of others. This should not be tolerated.

Please read more carefully: I said it doesn't matter whether the peeping guy is straight or gay , because he crossed a line of a no go and took the risk of getting caught (sooner or later).

No normal thinking person would climb up a cublicle to look over.

There is no need to bash on the threadstarter as he did not do anything wrong at all.

 

I have the feeling you are simply just quarreling here for the sake of quarreling.

 

And your crossing a line of acceptable manners by unjustifiedly  nameshaming others as pigs. This is disgusting and respectless.

 

I recommend the TS to simply ignore this Guest and not to entertain him by responding to him.

 

Before this Guest forgot, here is what you wrote:

 

On 6/8/2019 at 7:59 PM, Guest Guest said:

What goes round, will come around. Since you have tried reporting the peeping Tom to the cleaners, and you yourself can claimed that you yourself have committed misdeeds before, let's hope that karma will rightfully serve you back on what you think is the right medicine to be given to others, so that you can have a taste of how your own medicine will taste like. 

 

Yes, even if there is an intrusion of privacy here, do you want to destroy the life of another gay? What if he is a young closeted chap with nowhere else to go and a conservative family to live with? Will you be happier if his entire life gets destroyed due to a single lapse of judgements like that? You have done enough by banging on the wall, but you went all out to try to report him to the cleaner and catch him. You are just like the bitch Monica....

 

This is not victim shaming. This is shaming a person lacking human empathy. You are really a true benePIG.

 

[Guest Guest]

6 hours ago, Guest nothing wrong said:

 

But you blamed the TS for having called the cleaners for help and due to this the TS was put to destroy the life of a fellow gay.

 

The fact remains that the peeper intruded into the privacy of others. This should not be tolerated.

Please read more carefully: I said it doesn't matter whether the peeping guy is straight or gay , because he crossed a line of a no go and took the risk of getting caught (sooner or later).

No normal thinking person would climb up a cublicle to look over.

There is no need to bash on the threadstarter as he did not do anything wrong at all.

 

I have the feeling you are simply just quarreling here for the sake of quarreling.

 

And your crossing a line of acceptable manners by unjustifiedly  nameshaming others as pigs. This is disgusting and respectless.

 

I recommend the TS to simply ignore this Guest and not to entertain him by responding to him.

 

Before this Guest forgot, here is what you wrote:

 

 

 

Lol. You only know of people calling him a PIG now. But I guess you didn't know of him calling people WHALES in the past, did you? So don't blame me. Blame the cosmic consequences of karma taking effect. Karma will happens, sooner or later. Both karma and human beings share a common trait: They both never forget. Where were YOU when HE crossed YOUR line of acceptable manners by unjustifiedly  nameshaming others as WHALES. Wasn't that disgusting and "respectless"? 

[benedict5856]

On 6/11/2019 at 6:29 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Lol. You only know of people calling him a PIG now. But I guess you didn't know of him calling people WHALES in the past, did you? So don't blame me. Blame the cosmic consequences of karma taking effect. Karma will happens, sooner or later. Both karma and human beings share a common trait: They both never forget. Where were YOU when HE crossed YOUR line of acceptable manners by unjustifiedly  nameshaming others as WHALES. Wasn't that disgusting and "respectless"? 

 

whales???? 

i called ppl whales? hahahaa.... must be very interesting if i ever use the word 'whales' on others.

 

This forum, there are many ppl who called each other names, and ended up in the flaming room. But there is one person who will constantly calling me pig over and over again, and showed pictures of pig over and over again, for any post i posted. Literally a stalker.

So i ever called u whales ah?!? sadly i don't recall ever using the word whales on others, unless its certain contents.

Or i use on others and u not happy? then u wanna go to flaming room and called those ppl pigs too, for all their posts?

but why me? u got crush on my green shorts?

By the way, i like chubby guys. So i will never call them pigs, much less the word 'whales'.

 

Instead i pity u. So are you the guy who been stalking me for past few years, sending pic of pigs over and over again?

So when u called me pig, so is that considered karma being served?

u know what is the meaning of karma or not?

 

u really need help. Pity u.....

 

 

[benedict5856]

On 6/10/2019 at 10:57 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

Monica will forever be a role model for girls who want to promote themselves. SHE aggrandized the whole thing herself, for selfish reasons.

 

 

You seem to live centuries in the past, when society believed that illness was the consequence of being sinful.  And so leprosy was a fair punishment!

How should a peeping tom be punished?  A fine?  Pulling out his eyes?  Execution? 

How about curing the underlying cause of peeping?  educating him to a healthy sex life?  This is not to be expected, so at least we can limit our reaction, be forgiving.  

 

u mention that when ppl look at u, u will ignore them, etc.

Perhaps u are a very open hearted person.

Your status is indicated as staying in Texas. So u are a Ang Mo or chinese? 

If u are Ang Mo, that will clearly explain that, Ang mo and chinese thoughts are different. Our cultural, our upbringing are different.

 

Laws are enforced to prevent pervert, rapist, murderer.

They are there for a reason. else abolish it. 

u may not mind others looking at u, but that does not mean you can allow others to peep at your nephew and nieces using the public toilet, right?

or expect your standard of living/principles to be applied on others right?

If the same thing are to be happened again, i would still report it.

If u wanna cruise, do it with a willing party, do not overstep it.

 

My intention of this topic is not to justify the pervert. i do feel bad for reporting to ppl of our same kind (being a gay), but i do not feel bad for reporting a pervert.

Pervert is not about him being gay but about him doing non-consensual thing.

 

Was wondering anyone felt the same before with another person, when it becomes too much/overboard, care to share here too....

 

Haven't u heard, wife can sue husband for rape.

Edited June 12, 2019 by benedict5856

[Guest nothing wrong]

2 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

whales???? 

i called ppl whales? hahahaa.... must be very interesting if i ever use the word 'whales' on others.

 

This forum, there are many ppl who called each other names, and ended up in the flaming room. But there is one person who will constantly calling me pig over and over again, and showed pictures of pig over and over again, for any post i posted. Literally a stalker.

So i ever called u whales ah?!? sadly i don't recall ever using the word whales on others, unless its certain contents.

Or i use on others and u not happy? then u wanna go to flaming room and called those ppl pigs too, for all their posts?

but why me? u got crush on my green shorts?

By the way, i like chubby guys. So i will never call them pigs, much less the word 'whales'.

 

Instead i pity u. So are you the guy who been stalking me for past few years, sending pic of pigs over and over again?

So when u called me pig, so is that considered karma being served?

u know what is the meaning of karma or not?

 

u really need help. Pity u.....

 

 

 

Ask this guest to dig it out and show that you called others "whales".

[Guest Dirtily Professor]

Stop thinking of the peeper as a fellow gay. Think of him as a criminal. Gays can also be criminals and we should not excuse their crimes just because they are gays.

 

Everyone has the right to poop, whether at home or in shopping malls or at MRT stations, without someone suddenly peeping down upon them. That's so frightening.

 

What if the peeper wasn't a horny pervert, but instead a criminal with a knife, or another weapon? If anyone has lived abroad, as I have, you wouldn't be so dismissive.

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Guest Dirtily Professor said:

Stop thinking of the peeper as a fellow gay. Think of him as a criminal. Gays can also be criminals and we should not excuse their crimes just because they are gays.

 

 

You have all the right to thinking of peepers as criminals.  But this does not give peeping the severity of a real crime.

Do you realize that most of you Singaporean gays are "criminals" since you violate 377A?

 

 

7 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

Laws are enforced to prevent pervert, rapist, murderer.

They are there for a reason. else abolish it. 

 

 

You have the Law 377A.  You must be a strong supporter of it,  since not being abolished, it must have a reason.

 

7 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

u mention that when ppl look at u, u will ignore them, etc.

Perhaps u are a very open hearted person.

Your status is indicated as staying in Texas. So u are a Ang Mo or chinese? 

If u are Ang Mo, that will clearly explain that, Ang mo and chinese thoughts are different. Our cultural, our upbringing are different.

 

u may not mind others looking at u, but that does not mean you can allow others to peep at your nephew and nieces using the public toilet, right?

or expect your standard of living/principles to be applied on others right?

 

 

I am not Chinese but an Ang Mo of German descent.  But in this case this should not make a difference.  There are plenty of Ang Mohs who would hate to be peeped while pooping. My standards are not "standards" at all but are ways I have found to make my life better.  If you don't care about being peeped, you will eliminate this vulnerability, because this is what your concern is.  You don't need to receive any harm from being peeped  (this is different from being filmed, since a video can be used against you) and it is the peeper who should be embarrassed, not you.  But if he is not, and instead enjoys seeing people pooping... that is his business.

 

I have children and grandchildren, and I pray to God that they never have done to them anything worse than being peeped on.

 

7 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

Laws are enforced to prevent pervert, rapist, murderer.

 

My intention of this topic is not to justify the pervert. i do feel bad for reporting to ppl of our same kind (being a gay), but i do not feel bad for reporting a pervert.

Pervert is not about him being gay but about him doing non-consensual thing.

 

 

Do you realize that many in your society see what you do with other men as a perversion ?  And if there is consent, for them this does not make it any less of a perversion. From the dictionary, a pervert is a person whose sexual behavior is considered abnormal and unacceptable.  

 

To peep is to look furtively, in a stealthy way.  In this topic, it also has a sexual connotation.  Like any looking, it does not require consensus.

 

I am not defending peeping, I don't consider it acceptable. I am merely explaining why it should not provoke strong reactions, like a real crime should.

.

 

Edited June 12, 2019 by Steve5380

[benedict5856]

3 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You have all the right to thinking of peepers as criminals.  But this does not give peeping the severity of a real crime.

Do you realize that most of you Singaporean gays are "criminals" since you violate 377A?

 

 

 

You have the Law 377A.  You must be a strong supporter of it,  since not being abolished, it must have a reason.

 

 

I am not Chinese but an Ang Mo of German descent.  But in this case this should not make a difference.  There are plenty of Ang Mohs who would hate to be peeped while pooping. My standards are not "standards" at all but are ways I have found to make my life better.  If you don't care about being peeped, you will eliminate this vulnerability, because this is what your concern is.  You don't need to receive any harm from being peeped  (this is different from being filmed, since a video can be used against you) and it is the peeper who should be embarrassed, not you.  But if he is not, and instead enjoys seeing people pooping... that is his business.

 

I have children and grandchildren, and I pray to God that they never have done to them anything worse than being peeped on.

 

 

Do you realize that many in your society see what you do with other men as a perversion ?  And if there is consent, for them this does not make it any less of a perversion. From the dictionary, a pervert is a person whose sexual behavior is considered abnormal and unacceptable.  

 

To peep is to look furtively, in a stealthy way.  In this topic, it also has a sexual connotation.  Like any looking, it does not require consensus.

 

I am not defending peeping, I don't consider it acceptable. I am merely explaining why it should not provoke strong reactions, like a real crime should.

.

 

 

A peeping tom is already a crime.

Its not a crime to peep at someone at the dining table, when there is someone handsome across the table. But to climb over the cubicle wall, that is the crime.

it is different kinda peep. So are u trying to say its ok if someone peep at yr kids pooping? Bcas there is no harm? is this yr kinda teaching?

Honestly, do u know what u are talking?

 

I have a friend whom have mutual masturbation with a 15 yr old boy. Somehow he is caught, and he called me for help to bail him out.

He went to court, and i was there to listen to the court hearings.

In the end, he was sentenced to 3 months jail.

 

The female judge said to him, something like this. All these acts are by mutual agreement. She won't punish him for that, behind closed door, but bcas the kid is a minor, thats why he had 3 months imprisonment. The law 377A is not so strict, as the law also close one eye. Even our former Prime Minister LKY said its genetic. u can google it in youtube.

Bcas we are still a chinese society. There are few sauna in singapore. u think the police dunno? they do.

My police friend ever saw 2 men having sex in the carpark. What he do? Scold them, ask them to clean up, give them a warning. Both men are drunk then. Certain thing, we will close one eye. even the government will close one eye. Catch them and then do what? all having fun in changi prison? all locked separate rooms? then shower separately?

The law don't allow it, but will close one eye if its behind closed door.

 

But the peeping tom is different issue. If i am a straight man, can i report police then?!

Everyone commit crime before. Jaywalking, spitting, littering, even shooting rubber band unto the road side, all these are crimes in singapore.

I feel bad for reporting to ppl of the same kinda. But i don't approve of his behaviour.

 

In sauna, u saw a cute man, u grab his penis. he not happy, he push yr hand away and walk away. Will he shout rape?

But in a toilet, while u are peeing, a man look at yours, say its big, wanna suck it. and try to touch it, even though you are gay, and u never give him any signal before, is this acceptable then? it becomes sexual harassment.

if u accept such behaviour, share it with yr families and loved ones. Tell them its ok. Just give these ppl verbal warning. They will be grateful to u and they will repent sincerely.

[Guest 2000]

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

You have all the right to thinking of peepers as criminals.  But this does not give peeping the severity of a real crime.

Do you realize that most of you Singaporean gays are "criminals" since you violate 377A?

 

Peeping over a toilet stall at somebody may not be a "severe" crime but it IS a "real" crime. Someone sitting on the toilet is in one of the most vulnerable positions for a human being, especially if they have stomach cramps or bad diarrhea, and his/her mobility is extremely restricted if the peeper has truly bad intentions. Even if the peeper "only" videos him/her pooping and posts it to the internet, this is still a huge problem for the person as many in society including colleagues or bosses are too immature to sympathize with the innocent victim's violation, and almost impossible to remove from the internet since many people copy and repost videos. As for 377A, men sexing men are consenting with each other, but nobody complaining in this thread is consenting to being peeped at while pooping.

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, benedict5856 said:

 

A peeping tom is already a crime.

Its not a crime to peep at someone at the dining table, when there is someone handsome across the table. But to climb over the cubicle wall, that is the crime.

it is different kinda peep. So are u trying to say its ok if someone peep at yr kids pooping? Bcas there is no harm? is this yr kinda teaching?

Honestly, do u know what u are talking?

 

 

I know perfectly what I am talking.  When one sees what horrific crimes are perpetrated in society, often unpunished, one wishes that being peeped pooping is the worst that happens to anyone, child or adult, your kids or someone else's. 

But, if you dwell on the idea that having been peeped like that makes you the victim of a crime,  this is up to you.

 

3 hours ago, Guest 2000 said:

 

Peeping over a toilet stall at somebody may not be a "severe" crime but it IS a "real" crime. Someone sitting on the toilet is in one of the most vulnerable positions for a human being, especially if they have stomach cramps or bad diarrhea, and his/her mobility is extremely restricted if the peeper has truly bad intentions. 

 

 

We are not discussing "truly bad intentions" of the peeper but only the act of peeping itself.

And being caught pooping makes one more vulnerable?  Only if you want to become so.

In the circumstance of the TS,  if the guy had shown his face the TS could have stood up, pooping or not, and punched the guy in the face, who could not punch back since he was holding himself on the partition.  Or even further if necessary, the TS could have grabbed one ear of the guy.  Now the guy would be screaming, unable to let himself down without leaving his ear in the hand of the TS!

[auri]

Let's say you are in a gym or swimming pool about to have a shower.

Some hot guy walks into a shower cubicle.

You go into the cubicle next to him, and you find that at waist height, there is a hole in the partition.

How many of us would bend over to have a peep?

Is this act then any real different to laying down on the floor to peep under the partition?

[Guest Dirtily Professor]

Sexy or not, I would never peep at another guy showering or shizzling, as I consider that to be a violation of their right to privacy. The only exception might be playfully pulling back the curtain while my boyfriend is showering to tease him, but he would be my significant other, not a complete stranger.

 

I also believe Benedict's action might have actually helped the peeper. What if the angry banging "scared him straight" so to speak, and he became so frightened of something worse happening to him should he get caught again (beaten or arrested), that he stopped peeping? That's a good outcome.

[benedict5856]

On 6/10/2019 at 10:57 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

Monica will forever be a role model for girls who want to promote themselves. SHE aggrandized the whole thing herself, for selfish reasons.

 

 

You seem to live centuries in the past, when society believed that illness was the consequence of being sinful.  And so leprosy was a fair punishment!

How should a peeping tom be punished?  A fine?  Pulling out his eyes?  Execution? 

How about curing the underlying cause of peeping?  educating him to a healthy sex life?  This is not to be expected, so at least we can limit our reaction, be forgiving.  

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/aesthetic-doctor-jailed-for-molesting-male-patient-struck-off-medical-register?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1k-7k55i9lMMso9jhMacD3w8TtrKuJCvbzx4i1Gi0hdt66p69Ri3L94Qs#Echobox=1560931405

 

If it happens to u, and u are the patient, what will u do?

I definitely believe u will forgive him. Bcas u are gay. What will u gain for punishing him.

[Steve5380]

6 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/aesthetic-doctor-jailed-for-molesting-male-patient-struck-off-medical-register?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1k-7k55i9lMMso9jhMacD3w8TtrKuJCvbzx4i1Gi0hdt66p69Ri3L94Qs#Echobox=1560931405

 

If it happens to u, and u are the patient, what will u do?

I definitely believe u will forgive him. Bcas u are gay. What will u gain for punishing him.

 

The case you posted is different from that of Nicholas Lim.   There was physical contact,   And the severity depends also on what this doctor did with the pictures.  And if he drugged the patient because it was required for the liposuction or if he did it to molest the patient.

[Guest Guest]

30 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/aesthetic-doctor-jailed-for-molesting-male-patient-struck-off-medical-register?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=STFB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1k-7k55i9lMMso9jhMacD3w8TtrKuJCvbzx4i1Gi0hdt66p69Ri3L94Qs#Echobox=1560931405

 

If it happens to u, and u are the patient, what will u do?

I definitely believe u will forgive him. Bcas u are gay. What will u gain for punishing him.

 

Did the peeping tom sedate you like the way the doctor did to his patient? Don't try to divert our attention away by doing a comparison between an apple and an orange. Because of your over reaction, you could have made someone lose his future. Don't bother going around trying to soothe your own guilty conscience by coming here to seek agreement or endorsement for what you had done. Your conscience should continue to gnaw at you forever and ever. No amount of penance will wipe off your guilt at all. You will only be contaminating the entire Yellow River if you think you can clean yourself off by jumping into it. 

[Steve5380]

57 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Did the peeping tom sedate you like the way the doctor did to his patient? Don't try to divert our attention away by doing a comparison between an apple and an orange. Because of your over reaction, you could have made someone lose his future. Don't bother going around trying to soothe your own guilty conscience by coming here to seek agreement or endorsement for what you had done. Your conscience should continue to gnaw at you forever and ever. No amount of penance will wipe off your guilt at all. You will only be contaminating the entire Yellow River if you think you can clean yourself off by jumping into it. 

 

Well, he doesn't need to torture himself forever.  He should just reflect, change his mind and welcome the lesson learned.

[Guest 2000]

This argument is still going on? Absolutely ridiculous! But now I am convinced that I will report all Peeping Toms wherever I see them, and intentionally try to ruin their lives, especially by submitting their photos to Stomp and discussing their crimes by name on EDMW. I don't care if it's a Peeping Tom or a Molesting Medic anymore. All criminals will be treated with the same viciousness.

 

This will be purposely done out of spite, since certain gays on BW refuse to police our own community, and admonish other gays not to commit perverted actions which give all gays a bad name and prevent us from winning over more straight allies. Excusing gay criminals just because of the fact they are gay is holding back the entire community from our equal human rights in society!

[Guest peep a peep]

On 6/13/2019 at 6:56 AM, -Ignored- said:

until so long, we are still at this topic?

It is good that Ben has seen from his friend's courtroom experience, me too i have it hence i knew the same feeling too.

the case here is NOT whether what the pervert done is illegal or not ( isnt it obvious??!)

the topic here is : whether has TS over-reacted (pls dont bring in wrongtful examples of non-Asian might react or accept certain behaviour , b it LGBT  or in London who are caucasians , they r uncomfy in making to kiss means we r all the same ) - the ans is Yes! after all the kicking and banging the door warning meted out

 

Be it looking or glancing over a panel/wall or just oogling in an onsen, ie a subtle peeping  to me (the above have clearly mentioned too) 

 

 

 

we really dont need Harvard to teach us:  to be compassionate-

it must be so verbose that the discussion on similar pointers with some same members have not ended til now
but i do look forward to others who have similar experience to share

 

I find your response outrageously ignorant. How can you compare some homosexuals being manifestly beaten up in a bus by a group of straight guys with a guy peeping over a cubicle wall on someone doing his shitty business.

I m sorry if I may sound rude, but your comment deserves it.

You don't know the difference of a severe (hate) crime to the crossing of an acceptable line (which might be criminal too).

Don't compare apples with pears please.

you should apologise to the two girls who had been beaten by a mob to mention them here.

I think your sensors are a bit out of any acceptable balance. Please get it fixed.

[Guest Guest]

9 minutes ago, Guest 2000 said:

This argument is still going on? Absolutely ridiculous! But now I am convinced that I will report all Peeping Toms wherever I see them, and intentionally try to ruin their lives, especially by submitting their photos to Stomp and discussing their crimes by name on EDMW. I don't care if it's a Peeping Tom or a Molesting Medic anymore. All criminals will be treated with the same viciousness.

 

This will be purposely done out of spite, since certain gays on BW refuse to police our own community, and admonish other gays not to commit perverted actions which give all gays a bad name and prevent us from winning over more straight allies. Excusing gay criminals just because of the fact they are gay is holding back the entire community from our equal human rights in society!

 

Yeah, still going on because TS went to regurgitate it out as it didn't sit on his conscience well. And by the way, didn't you go around declaring you were not even 20 yo yet? Those self righteous comments coming from someone like you who had openly claimed he hasn't even reached 20 years old yet really made me laughed ! 

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Guest 2000 said:

This argument is still going on? Absolutely ridiculous! But now I am convinced that I will report all Peeping Toms wherever I see them, and intentionally try to ruin their lives, especially by submitting their photos to Stomp and discussing their crimes by name on EDMW. I don't care if it's a Peeping Tom or a Molesting Medic anymore. All criminals will be treated with the same viciousness.

 

This will be purposely done out of spite, since certain gays on BW refuse to police our own community, and admonish other gays not to commit perverted actions which give all gays a bad name and prevent us from winning over more straight allies. Excusing gay criminals just because of the fact they are gay is holding back the entire community from our equal human rights in society!

 

I also think that you should be committed.

Not for a crime, but for an acute mental defect that transformed you into a fundamentalist hater.  

Are you a gay?   If a straight reads your post above he will not ally with gays but will think that some gays are the extreme of inhumane.

[Beefycub]

akin to spotting to two dudes doing it in the gym

did i report it?  i didn't.

would i? i wouldn't.

should i? i donno.

donno why these dudes wanna risk their reputation (or even livelihood) at these public joints though.

u may have gotten away with for a while, but it only takes one random dude (gay or str8) who's had it, to make it his mission to get you caught.

 

 

 

 

[Guest nothing wrong]

20 minutes ago, Beefycub said:

akin to spotting to two dudes doing it in the gym

did i report it?  i didn't.

would i? i wouldn't.

should i? i donno.

donno why these dudes wanna risk their reputation (or even livelihood) at these public joints though.

u may have gotten away with for a while, but it only takes one random dude (gay or str8) who's had it, to make it his mission to get you caught.

 

Let's not confuse things. You can't compare two guys having fun in the gym shower/ steam room / jacuzzi (or wherever) with a guy peeping over a toilet cubicle at a public toilet in a shopping mall. You neglected the consent of the two guys in your first scenario to have sex and the lack of consent in the second scenario (peeping over toilet cubicle wall). In the peeping case, the "victim" never agreed or expected anyone looking over the cubicle separation at his toilet.

[Beefycub]

ah right. i wasn't referring to the act by the parties, one would hope that they were consenting adults and not raped, in which case i definitely should have done something.

 

but more on the dilemma doing what's "right" and what's "wrong" in reporting it, since they were doing it in a public.
 

5 minutes ago, Guest nothing wrong said:

 

Let's not confuse things. You can't compare two guys having fun in the gym shower/ steam room / jacuzzi (or wherever) with a guy peeping over a toilet cubicle at a public toilet in a shopping mall. You neglected the consent of the two guys in your first scenario to have sex and the lack of consent in the second scenario (peeping over toilet cubicle wall). In the peeping case, the "victim" never agreed or expected anyone looking over the cubicle separation at his toilet.

 

[Guest Guest]

21 minutes ago, Guest nothing wrong said:

 

Let's not confuse things. You can't compare two guys having fun in the gym shower/ steam room / jacuzzi (or wherever) with a guy peeping over a toilet cubicle at a public toilet in a shopping mall. You neglected the consent of the two guys in your first scenario to have sex and the lack of consent in the second scenario (peeping over toilet cubicle wall). In the peeping case, the "victim" never agreed or expected anyone looking over the cubicle separation at his toilet.

 

The question is not even about whether the peeping tom is right or wrong, or whether there is consent or not. We all know he did wrong. The question is whether TS should have gone to the extreme of going to report the person in the hope of seeing blood so that the person can be caught and maybe even handed to the police and potentially ruin the person's entire career, studies and/or even life? Or is it already sufficient that the TS banging on the walls and shouting out at the peeping tom was enough as a warning to him?

 

 

 

[Guest nothing wrong]

28 minutes ago, -Ignored- said:

what takes u such a long time to voice! we got your point (esp if u have read thru nearly all the comments posted here)
i agree with u totally of u wont report it esp TS has already banged and yelled at him (created a scene akin to sins) - that is sufficient

U will be surprised that there r evils who reported despite they didnt resisted being touched! (i have never seen such humans before a terrible incident occurred and i am speaking from true life account!)
The feeling of being invited to the station was Nitemarish!

 

 

 

the state of your English seems more "nightmarish" to me...

it is very difficult to follow on what you write, even for Singlishers...

[Guest nothing wrong]

13 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

The question is not even about whether the peeping tom is right or wrong, or whether there is consent or not. We all know he did wrong. The question is whether TS should have gone to the extreme of going to report the person in the hope of seeing blood so that the person can be caught and maybe even handed to the police and potentially ruin the person's entire career, studies and/or even life? Or is it already sufficient that the TS banging on the walls and shouting out at the peeping tom was enough as a warning to him?

 

 

Ok, got that point. but Benedict didn't stand in front of the cubicle of the infringer and called the police and waited there for the police to come. He didn't go down to the police to make a police report to catch the guy via CCTV cameras and so on or the police in undercover plainclothes standing around waiting for another incident.

 

Some people deserve a warning as they won't understand their wrong.

The point is: Don't cross that line of right or wrong.

The infringer could have given signals to the other. If left unresponded, then don't climb over.

We are all using public toilets here, at shopping malls or whereever, and you can't tell me that most gay would not know about the foot crossing over below the cubicle to signal, or a finger being shown below the cubicle wall end. But the infringer did nothing of that sort but directly intruded into the privacy of Benedict.

 

And all in all I don't think "first time" offenders would be charged in court. Even if the cleaners had called the police. Most probably the infringer would have received a fine on public nuisance or of that sort.

In a different thread on some shopping mall toilet cruising the guys wrote that first the mall security came to handle the case. The infringer probably would have got a warning or would have been told not to come into that shopping mall any more.

 

If it had been Brunei and the guy would have been stoned to death, I might change my opinion on reporting such an infringer to the cleaners...

[Guest Guest]

10 hours ago, Guest nothing wrong said:

 

Ok, got that point. but Benedict didn't stand in front of the cubicle of the infringer and called the police and waited there for the police to come. He didn't go down to the police to make a police report to catch the guy via CCTV cameras and so on or the police in undercover plainclothes standing around waiting for another incident.

 

Some people deserve a warning as they won't understand their wrong.

The point is: Don't cross that line of right or wrong.

The infringer could have given signals to the other. If left unresponded, then don't climb over.

We are all using public toilets here, at shopping malls or whereever, and you can't tell me that most gay would not know about the foot crossing over below the cubicle to signal, or a finger being shown below the cubicle wall end. But the infringer did nothing of that sort but directly intruded into the privacy of Benedict.

 

And all in all I don't think "first time" offenders would be charged in court. Even if the cleaners had called the police. Most probably the infringer would have received a fine on public nuisance or of that sort.

In a different thread on some shopping mall toilet cruising the guys wrote that first the mall security came to handle the case. The infringer probably would have got a warning or would have been told not to come into that shopping mall any more.

 

If it had been Brunei and the guy would have been stoned to death, I might change my opinion on reporting such an infringer to the cleaners...

 

At least you know that you would change your opinion on reporting such an infringer to the cleaners if it had been Brunei and the guy would have been stoned to death. In the case of the TS, I won't be surprised if the only reasons why he didn't go down to the police to make a police report himself to catch the guy via CCTV cameras and so on or the police in undercover plainclothes standing around waiting for another incident is simply because he may have found it too big a hassle for his own time. It's all about HIMSELF and HIMSELF ALONE. If not for the additional trouble that he would have to go through, his BLOODLUST would have compelled him further to maybe even stone the perpetrator himself in the event that the perpetrator had been caught. 

 

If I had been peeped at (and I had), the most I will do is to quickly cover up myself and scold the peeping tom through the cubicle walls and tell him off to stop it and to get lost. Even if I see the cleaner outside later, I will just walk past the cleaner without saying anything. Firstly, I don't have such bloodlust like the TS, and I also see no point in disturbing the TOILET CLEANER who may not even be paid enough to deal with such trouble! I think such a scare to the perpetrator would have been sufficient to me as a form of punishment for him. But noooooo... the TS wanted to go hunt the perpetrator down and even dragged the toilet cleaner into this with him.  

[Guest 2000]

Gays need to help enforce good behavior on other gays ... and admonish, warn, punish other gays when they cross the line ... as it could save their lives. Imagine if, instead of peeping on Benedict, the pervert had peeped on a roid raging straight homophobe built like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson who, after realizing he was being spied upon, forcefully broke down the stall door and beat the peeper to a bloody pulp.

 

Don't laugh or dismiss such a scenario. Things like that have happened in America and Europe many times. When you consider some of the alternatives, being reported to the cleaner by Benedict is the least of this criminal pervert's worries, so people need to stop defending him and instead point out the errors of his twisted selfish privacy violating ways and, if he's reading, maybe he will reconsider and stop spying.

[Steve5380]

15 hours ago, -Ignored- said:

i don't see others having issues , is this meant for taking exams? or is this a school?
Please stick to the topic

 

Well said.

 

It should be a forum-wide norm that bitching about bad English is out-of-topic and furthermore banned for being senseless.

Much of the bad English is not forced but is an involuntary trait.  A forum that is inclusive should tolerate posting that is not grammatically perfect.

If the reader does not completely understand the writer...  bad luck!  No one promised him something better, he is not entitled to it.

After all, those of us who don't read Chinese don't complain about the frequent use of this language in posts, their videos and names.

.

 

Edited June 20, 2019 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest 2000 said:

Gays need to help enforce good behavior on other gays ... and admonish, warn, punish other gays when they cross the line ... as it could save their lives. Imagine if, instead of peeping on Benedict, the pervert had peeped on a roid raging straight homophobe built like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson who, after realizing he was being spied upon, forcefully broke down the stall door and beat the peeper to a bloody pulp.

 

 

To advice, warn, help is fine.  To punish it is not.  Benedict did not try to talk to the guy who wanted to peep on him,  he went straight to call some authority.

To do the right thing, it is important to not be upset.  To not feel like the victim of some evil, but to simply be the subject of an improper act,  and react to it in a positive way.

[benedict5856]

On 6/19/2019 at 9:34 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

The case you posted is different from that of Nicholas Lim.   There was physical contact,   And the severity depends also on what this doctor did with the pictures.  And if he drugged the patient because it was required for the liposuction or if he did it to molest the patient.

 

 

i am not comparing it with Nicholas Lim. 

I am asking u, if this happen to u, and doctor is gay, u are gay, the doctor only keep it as personal collections, are u going to say - its ok. I will forgive him.

[benedict5856]

For the peeping tom, gay or not, he indeed commit an offence. Its not like littering, or spitting or jaywalking but peeping at others.

Or maybe a girl peep at us. So if its a girl, we let her go? bcas need to be gentleman or what?!?!

But if its a guy peeping at girl, then must report police? Bcas the girl will suffer emotional trauma?

 

If the same thing happen again, i don't care he is gay or whoever shit, i will still report.

 

I am asking, have anyone encountered some similar incident. And bcas he is gay, u lan lan, let him go??? Or u feel u are being molested.

If u walking at shopping mall, and someone suddenly grope yr backside. U turn around, its a lao ah gua. u quickly walk away? u showed your unhappy face? or u will scream 'molest'.

Why can't we feel sexually harassed if the culprit is gay? So we deserved it to be molested? just bcas we all gay?

 

[Steve5380]

35 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

 

I am asking u, if this happen to u, and doctor is gay, u are gay, the doctor only keep it as personal collections, are u going to say - its ok. I will forgive him.

 

13 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

 

Why can't we feel sexually harassed if the culprit is gay? So we deserved it to be molested? just bcas we all gay?

 

 

Why are you making this a gay vs. straight issue?  Regardless of the gender and orientation of the involved,  a peeping incident is not such a big deal.

It only becomes major if the peeper takes a picture or video of the peeped and makes it public or uses it as blackmail.

 

In the case of the doctor, the crime was a sexual assault aggravated by the use of anesthesia.

[benedict5856]

4 hours ago, -Ignored- said:

 

 

*: in this era esp Pinkdot is coming, one shdnt be using terminologies like Lao Ah Gua (old dirty transversite) in our LGBT community pls! Extremely demeaning - even if one has to prove a point

 

 

Sadly, indeed to straight ppl, we are all ah gua or gay. They won't use terms like homosexual.

I saw the short clip in Pink dot, i laugh. Yes, ppl called us different names. I fight back. Lao Ah gua don't mean dirty. It only mean old gay.

And i never join pink dot before. Again, i find it stupid to attend such events. I don't need others approval to live in this world. I would just tell them straight in the face - you rot or die or handiapped, i won't drop a tear. my life goes on without u.

 

[Guest assault]

On 6/21/2019 at 5:21 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

 

Why are you making this a gay vs. straight issue?  Regardless of the gender and orientation of the involved,  a peeping incident is not such a big deal.

It only becomes major if the peeper takes a picture or video of the peeped and makes it public or uses it as blackmail.

 

In the case of the doctor, the crime was a sexual assault aggravated by the use of anesthesia.

 

You are imposing your personal moral values on society. It "might not be a big deal on you" but for others or society.

Secondly, if the purpose of peeping over the cubicle wall wasn't sexually motivated, what was it then?

You're wrong to say the act wasn't a sexual assault. It might not have been a physical sexual assault as it did not involve physical contact but it was still a sexual assault.

[Guest Guest]

On ‎6‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 5:02 AM, benedict5856 said:

For the peeping tom, gay or not, he indeed commit an offence. Its not like littering, or spitting or jaywalking but peeping at others.

 

 

On ‎6‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 4:40 AM, benedict5856 said:

 

i am not comparing it with Nicholas Lim. 

I am asking u, if this happen to u, and doctor is gay, u are gay, the doctor only keep it as personal collections, are u going to say - its ok. I will forgive him.

 

That's the ENTIRE POINT here! YOU think that this is not like littering, or spitting or jaywalking, but WE THINK SO; YOU think that your case is like that of the gay doctor, but WE THINK NOT! 

 

If YOU want to make such a fuss out of another guy seeing your tiny prick, then perhaps you should not even go into any sauna or even walk into Japanese STRAIGHT bathhouse where all the men walk around in NUDE, otherwise you will be screaming about public indecency! In fact, you shouldn't even be showering at all in ANY public bathrooms because there is this possibility that you might have your COCK seen by another MAN! Do you know why we couldn't care about people seeing our pricks? Because we are GUYS, and we really couldn't care less about what people SEE of our body ever since we were young! When we were young, we even ran around NAKED and we couldn't even be bothered about what you call decency! We had been completely open about our bodes, unlike little princesses like you.

 

And in fact, It is little princess like you whom people call CHAO AH GUA, and now that the little princesses have grown up, the terms has degenerated into LAO AH GUA. So, you tell me if this is true or not?

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, Guest assault said:

 

You are imposing your personal moral values on society. It "might not be a big deal on you" but for others or society.

Secondly, if the purpose of peeping over the cubicle wall wasn't sexually motivated, what was it then?

You're wrong to say the act wasn't a sexual assault. It might not have been a physical sexual assault as it did not involve physical contact but it was still a sexual assault.

 

This is a "sexual assault", you say?

Then I say you are a STRAWBERRY. 

[Steve5380]

5 hours ago, Guest assault said:

 

You are imposing your personal moral values on society. It "might not be a big deal on you" but for others or society.

Secondly, if the purpose of peeping over the cubicle wall wasn't sexually motivated, what was it then?

You're wrong to say the act wasn't a sexual assault. It might not have been a physical sexual assault as it did not involve physical contact but it was still a sexual assault.

 

When I DESCRIBE my personal moral values I am not IMPOSING them on anyone.

 

I never said that the peeping over the cubicle wall wasn't sexually motivated.  What I say is that it makes no difference if the peeping tom is gay or straight.

To call that act a "sexual assault" is to improperly assign it a very negative connotation, which is a clear bias. The definition of "assault" includes physical contact. Voyeurism is an invasion of privacy, and should be judged as such.

 

[Guest assault]

In most cases an "assault" will be physical, but not necessarily (see below - highlighting in blue):

Assault offences explained

There are three basic types of assault offences set out in law – common assault, actual bodily harm (ABH) and wounding / grievous bodily harm (GBH). They are primarily defined by the harm caused to the victim – with common assault at the lower end of harm and GBH at the upper end.

 

They cover everything from threatening words to a severe physical attack that leaves the victim permanently disabled.

This post will outline a short summary of these three types of assault.

 

Common assault (section 39, Criminal Justice Act 1988)

A person is guilty of common assault if they either inflict violence on another person – however slight this might be – or make that person think they are about to be attacked.

They do not have to be physically violent – for example, threatening words or a raised fist could lead the victim to believe they are going to be attacked – and that is enough for the crime to have been committed. Other acts like spitting at someone may also classed as common assault.

 

 

As you see, "assault" would not necessarily imply "physical contact", but I admit, I should have eventually used the word sexual harassment instead. But you confirm the sexual motivation.

 

[Guest assault]

Steve53 You might not see it as a "big thing" , but others would.

Please note that Asians have a different view on such intimate things.

 

In many Asian houses I mean at home, guys go fully dressed into a bathroom and will leave fully dressed after shower. They do not walk around in undies even at home. at least they will wear some boxers, in some families everyone will dress back into Khakis, often they would not even walk with a towel around to the bedroom.

In European or American/ Canadian context this would be very prude.

I have seen European parents who didn't bother to dress up and walk naked to the bathroom, even with foreign guests like me around.

 

Maybe you reflect the peeping incident more from this angle.

Coming with American values and a more tolerant behaviour, life style (even at home) you might see the issue a bit differently.

[Steve5380]

8 hours ago, Guest assault said:

Steve53 You might not see it as a "big thing" , but others would.

Please note that Asians have a different view on such intimate things.

 

In many Asian houses I mean at home, guys go fully dressed into a bathroom and will leave fully dressed after shower. They do not walk around in undies even at home. at least they will wear some boxers, in some families everyone will dress back into Khakis, often they would not even walk with a towel around to the bedroom.

In European or American/ Canadian context this would be very prude.

I have seen European parents who didn't bother to dress up and walk naked to the bathroom, even with foreign guests like me around.

 

Maybe you reflect the peeping incident more from this angle.

Coming with American values and a more tolerant behaviour, life style (even at home) you might see the issue a bit differently.

 

I don't see voyeurism as a big thing in the context of what some laws want to make it.

Religious intolerance, sanctimoniousness, hypocrisy force the making of some draconian laws.

I find that the victimization some laws cause to the offender are out of proportion with the seriousness of the offense.

Don't most of us feel the same about 377A?  Or Saharia law?

Didn't Monica Baey in her senseless pursuit of Nicholas Lim contribute to some new regulations and laws in SG?

[benedict5856]

12 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 

 

That's the ENTIRE POINT here! YOU think that this is not like littering, or spitting or jaywalking, but WE THINK SO; YOU think that your case is like that of the gay doctor, but WE THINK NOT! 

 

If YOU want to make such a fuss out of another guy seeing your tiny prick, then perhaps you should not even go into any sauna or even walk into Japanese STRAIGHT bathhouse where all the men walk around in NUDE, otherwise you will be screaming about public indecency! In fact, you shouldn't even be showering at all in ANY public bathrooms because there is this possibility that you might have your COCK seen by another MAN! Do you know why we couldn't care about people seeing our pricks? Because we are GUYS, and we really couldn't care less about what people SEE of our body ever since we were young! When we were young, we even ran around NAKED and we couldn't even be bothered about what you call decency! We had been completely open about our bodes, unlike little princesses like you.

 

And in fact, It is little princess like you whom people call CHAO AH GUA, and now that the little princesses have grown up, the terms has degenerated into LAO AH GUA. So, you tell me if this is true or not?

 

if u wanna debate, use some brains, if any.

 

Reason being - u don't even know what u are talking about.

 

Its not about ppl cannot see my tiny prick when i have been to many skin night. But does that mean i can allow ppl to climb over and peep at me? If u think it is, tell that to all your gay friends, Plus, even if i go to sauna, it does not i can allow 4-5 men can grab me and rape me, just bcas i am in the gay/sex place. 

 

Talk with some sense. Bcas if u talk less, it makes u less stupid.

[Steve5380]

On 6/22/2019 at 10:03 AM, benedict5856 said:

 

Its not about ppl cannot see my tiny prick when i have been to many skin night. But does that mean i can allow ppl to climb over and peep at me? If u think it is, tell that to all your gay friends, Plus, even if i go to sauna, it does not i can allow 4-5 men can grab me and rape me, just bcas i am in the gay/sex place. 

 

 

On 6/7/19 you wrote: 

 

But what if.... u are urinating inside the cubicle.... and then someone climb and peep at u.

 

This happen to me once. I never do anything or look at anyone.

it was at AMK mrt toilet, i wanna pee, saw an empty cubicle, go in, lock the door.

While peeing halfway, i saw 2 hands, trying to climb and peep over me.... 

How will you react?

 

At that point of time, i bang the cubicle with my hands, quickly go out, bang the door. The person dare not come out.

Few men are starring at me. After all its a busy toilet esp its at AMK.

I ran out and complain to the toilet cleaner.

 

The thing is,  YOU DIDN'T ALLOW the guy to peep at you, remember?  He desisted when you banged at the partition.  So you DIDN'T HAVE TO rush out to get some authority to punish him.  Also you were peeing, not pooping, remember? So less reason you had to make all that fuss.

.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Steve5380

[benedict5856]

19 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

On 6/7/19 you wrote: 

 

But what if.... u are urinating inside the cubicle.... and then someone climb and peep at u.

 

This happen to me once. I never do anything or look at anyone.

it was at AMK mrt toilet, i wanna pee, saw an empty cubicle, go in, lock the door.

While peeing halfway, i saw 2 hands, trying to climb and peep over me.... 

How will you react?

 

At that point of time, i bang the cubicle with my hands, quickly go out, bang the door. The person dare not come out.

Few men are starring at me. After all its a busy toilet esp its at AMK.

I ran out and complain to the toilet cleaner.

 

The thing is,  YOU DIDN'T ALLOW the guy to peep at you, remember?  He desisted when you banged at the partition.  So you DIDN'T HAVE TO rush out to get some authority to punish him.  Also you were peeing, not pooping, remember? So less reason you had to make all that fuss.

.

 

of course i won't allow the person to peep at me, unlike u. So u don't compare with yr moral values with mine. 

We are chinese asian, not Ang mo. Our cultural is already very different, our upbringing is also different.

20 over years ago, i was on the top deck at a star cruise at the harbour. Opposite is another cruise ship that sail the west area, on top level, is a swimming pool. There are 7-8 people sunbathing naked, men and women, all Ang mo. When they realise that we able to see them,  they quickly use towel to cover themselves. In the words, anyone on board THAT ship can see all these openly.

But that will never happen in the ship i am in. Ppl will complain immediately. So get this info drilled into yr head before u wanna comment your own values to ours.

U eat pizza, salad, burger as yr daily meal, while we eat rice everyday, or noodles. How many Ang Mo dunno how to use chopstick at all. We are different.

 

I saw his hand, and i think i saw his head also, its been some times i can't remember clearly now. I didn't get to see his face as it came too sudden. Its obvious the person is climbing on top of the toilet bowl. Not peeping, then what?! Standing higher to breath fresh air?

 

So what makes peeing to be more acceptable to be peeped at compared to pooping? What kinda of analogy are u trying to say again. But before u said it, u are Ang Mo, we are chinese. Read the first paragraph again. So before u wanna make a statement, remember, u are Ang Mo. We are different.

Most of the members here are asians.

 

So if u ever come to singapore, try to peep over the cubicles. See what happen then. And then u use your analogy to share with others. Tell them that its no big deal, won't die one.

 

My actions to complain to him to the authority, till now i never regret. I will still complain if it happens again. I only say i feel bad to complain to someone of our own kind, any anyone with similar experiences.

[Steve5380]

42 minutes ago, benedict5856 said:

 

of course i won't allow the person to peep at me, unlike u. So u don't compare with yr moral values with mine. 

We are chinese asian, not Ang mo. Our cultural is already very different, our upbringing is also different.

 

 

All right.  You are Chinese Asian and I am Ang mo.  Let's leave it at that.