Singapore Our Meltingpot Is In Danger!

[Baloo]

Yes, our home, our Singapore... forty-something years of independance. Forty-something years of Nation Building. Forty-something years of social moulding through strict enforcement of no jay walking, no spitting, no littering, speak mandarin, multi-racialism, social cohesion, racial harmony.... is all going down the drain... fast!

how is our country doing this? easy! just import thousands upon thousands of Adult Mainland Chinese, Adult Indian all at once into our country and let them 'replace' our population who is migrating at the rate of one thousand per year...

It took us 40+ years to achieve our social norms... and only 3-5 years to tear it apart with so many imported, socially misaligned Chinaman and Indian all at once into our midst.

Sure, from the PLU point of view, lots of new vegetables to look at - and believe you me... if you look carefully, many many many YUMMY chinaman in their 20s and 30s in the construction industry, technician industry, durian seller industry, road sweeper industry who look absolutely delicious....

in Geylang.. you see beautifully dressed and make up female Chinaman... yes they are female la... might be professional too - most likely la... sit down, suddely put one leg up, (tired wor), take a sip of water, gargle and spit where they are... onto the ground!!!! when asked not to do that, they asked "cannot meh?" as if it's perfectly alright to do so...

hahaha... yes it's perfectly alright to do it in kampong Cina... in Mainland... but not here in Singaland ma... we got spitting laws one leh... fucckking scary...

I dare you to go tour Little India on a Sunday... they got to erect permenant barricades to keep pedestrains from spilling onto the roads and jay walking...

Pity the MRT/Bus passengers needing to traverse this area in the evenings... they follow india style bus riding... you better like smelling and contacting them up close - as i pressed till almost can't breathe hor... they have no problems doing that... only Singapoleans got problem...

and look closely... they are spreading rapidly all over the heartlands... the Chinaman. The accompany-study-Mummies.

and they know NUTS about our local customs and laws, and we can't seem to teach them, nor any of us feel it's our duty to welcome them, and show them the ropes... it's the gobvermant's job ma... or is it?? gobermant big bosses stay in private estate big houses gurka guarded... not heartlands where you have to be close to them daily... watching them spit all over, practicing bad neighbourliness, throwing rubbish OUTSIDE their doors and not in the common chutes./dustbins, killer littering used tissue papers and what nots...

it's scary our place is becoming too fast infused with grown-up foreign imports to allow the melting pot effect to take place to make them singaporeans... what are our RCs and other grassroots doing to aliviate this? what can they do? what can we the residents do?

our melting pot is not melting them fast enough! time to turn up the heat!!!! and stir faster!!!!

[erection day]

Nice write-up. But what has your posting got to do with 'Imperial Kitchen'?

Anyway, I dont think there is mass exodus of 'true' blood Sporeans migrating to supposely greener pasture to cause our garmen or citizen here to press the panic button. This immigration nightmare on how to balance the local population with foreign fortune-seekers is a world-wide phenomenon. It is already happening in the US and UK and soon, the ration will tip towards the foreigners.

I have no quarrel with these immigrants except that I just wish they can talk softer. And also I do notice that our streets in Spore are getting dirtier and surely these immigrants have a part to play in this.

[Baloo]

it has everything to do with the imperial kitchen...

first it's the durian seller chinaman who doesn't know how to open a durian.

then it will be the cook from some ulu chinaland ah gu who refuse to learn the finer art in the kitchen and cook his kampong way -- mind you, when i refer to the chinaman kampong way... it's just dump everything in and boil ok... not the intricate nonya kampong way you know... just step into any chinaman domitory and you can smell the remains of thier kampong cooking... fit for the dog's pets...

:yuk:

there are of course those rare exceptional Chinese Foreign Talent -- shaolin monks, or University students - really brilliant, and bringing raw talent here... those I applaud. but still, most dun practice good personal hygene at sgp standards... ew....

my gripe is with the truely bumpkin Chinaman...

and our social melting pot is being overwhelmed... our national dish is being soured!!!!

[skylancer]

it has everything to do with the imperial kitchen...

first it's the durian seller chinaman who doesn't know how to open a durian.

then it will be the cook from some ulu chinaland ah gu who refuse to learn the finer art in the kitchen and cook his kampong way -- mind you, when i refer to the chinaman kampong way... it's just dump everything in and boil ok... not the intricate nonya kampong way you know... just step into any chinaman domitory and you can smell the remains of thier kampong cooking... fit for the dog's pets...

:yuk:

there are of course those rare exceptional Chinese Foreign Talent -- shaolin monks, or University students - really brilliant, and bringing raw talent here... those I applaud. but still, most dun practice good personal hygene at sgp standards... ew....

my gripe is with the truely bumpkin Chinaman...

and our social melting pot is being overwhelmed... our national dish is being soured!!!!

Dear Cute Baloo, i understand ur concern but sometimes we have to face the fact that singapore has turned from a happy, green country to a two face country.

So it is not our limit to do anything about it unless we are ... (you know who i refer to)

If not, sorry to say that we cant do anything

regards

[busted79]

Welcome to the real metropolitan life buddy.

[Baloo]

is it the sad reality from (pls pardon my use of the word - typical) Singaporeans who are so conditioned to believe and subscribe to the myth that ONLY the government can do anything, the people just follow and be bystander while government takes care of everything?

We can now officially 'blame' the 40 years of a one-party government of being so efficient to MOULD our citizens into such political ameba so that it would be easier for them to rule.

We as a country now have to accept this result - must give 'authority' den can do anything. and when given the power to take charge, DICTATE - not consult, and not referendum, ... you put me in charge, i lead, you follow. simple?

simple as long as our children all grow up here - conditioned in this way.

not simple when you put hundreds of thousands of foreigners into our country, hope that they become PR and Citizens... and hope they actually buy the crap that is being shovelled down the born-and-breed Singaporeans' throats... and swollow that as easily and readily as locals do...

If we are not careful, someone powerful will emerge from these immigrants, and rise so swiftly and work so fast, and garner so much support our local gharment gets overthrown in a few short electorial terms... of course, provided he is able to siam our ISA/ISD before being elected, but I would suspect that this new yet to be identified powerhouse, may be so clean there is no way to catch him...

and with the support of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants supporting this new power (no loyalty to local gharment at all since they are first generation immigrants) it may just swing the whole thing on its axis...

oh yes this is OUR melting pot. our golden pot in the kitchen... burbling... combining all people into one homogenous Singaporean people... just that so many new immigrants get thrown into the pot, the whole pot becomes something else before the new ingredients can get absorbed into the current whole...

but saddest of all... people are either not aware of it, or think it's the gharment's problem, and say this is metropolitan life... for lack of understanding of the dynamics of a true metropolitan society...

take new york as a metropolis... many immigrants yes? but their melting pot is 11 million population... immitrants are only in the 10% range max.

Singapore is only 3.5 million local... but has a 1.5 million immigrant working population here... meaning voting rights, if given to them EASILY can swing votes wildly becos we only have 1.8 million local working adults in our population singaporeans... see the difference between here and other metropolitan cities??

we cannot melt them down fast enough becos there is just so many of them... too fast, and too many... and we the citizens are waiting for 'the authorities' to do something... anything... while we watch at the sidelines...

sigh...

[maturemedium]

Now go any food centre, hawker center and you'll see food stall are operate by "Da Lu" people..

Even Hainanese Chicken rice sold by Da Lu

Our popular Laksa also cook by Da Lu

Fried Osyter egg (Orh Luar) also cook by Da Lu

Nasi Lemak also by Da Lu

Hokkien mee, Char kuay Teow, Yong Dao Fu...and many many more also by Da Lu..

Spore has lost its identity. A Rojak Nation. Even sport personnel can be bought!!!

Sigh.. sad...

Edited July 30, 2008 by maturemedium

[busted79]

You guys are freaking racists.

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0116280/chc.htm

Shame on you guys.

Stop racism now.

Edited August 5, 2008 by Baloo

[Baloo]

dear busted79

Please stop making a total moron of yourself writing that one-liner remark.

Can you please point out where in the postings was there racist intent? Do you even know that the term 'racist' means?

Why am i attempting to battle an unarmed person?

[busted79]

Yea I do know what it means. And I enjoy working with my Chinese, Indians, and Philiphino colleagues. I am proud of my heritage and I feel fortunate to be able to experience theirs too.

The link was intended to remind you that your ancestors were once from the mainland too so I do not understand your logic of giving these people a hard time because of where they are from. The Singapore culture has roots in China.

[maturemedium]

Sigh,,.. this will never end!..sigh

Oh ya hor.. national day cuming.. say your pledge, people..

We, the decendent of mainland china,

pLedge urself as one kind of people,

regardless of sexuality, forefather and granchildren

to built a confusing society

base on what? and whichever?

so as to achieve, 8million toto winning, prosperity and hopefully.. progress for ourselves

Edited August 4, 2008 by maturemedium

[Baloo]

interesting alternate version of the pledge

need to point out, tho, that your version seemed to miss the Malay and Indian and all races part...

can revise a bit so show we still multi-racial and multi-cultural?

thanks!

[Baloo]

Yea I do know what it means. And I enjoy working with my Chinese, Indians, and Philiphino colleagues. I am proud of my heritage and I feel fortunate to be able to experience theirs too.

The link was intended to remind you that your ancestors were once from the mainland too so I do not understand your logic of giving these people a hard time because of where they are from. The Singapore culture has roots in China.

No one is saying that 'professional foreign talent' is not welcome. No one is even saying any foreign person wanting be in Singapore is not welcome. To be racist is to welcome only one race, and reject all others regardless of their ability to contribute to any society, and indiscriminately 'eliminating' the rest.

perhaps you wanna share your version of racism?

Yes, we all enjoy working with foreign talent from all over the world. Pls re-read my posts again... What I am saying is those foreign non-talent - the construction workers, the food court helpers, the store assistants, etc. that they all bring their own unique culture and bad habits here, and it's overwhelming our society's current norm by sheer numbers... and they are not coming in slowly enough to be assimilated into the Singapore society well. Issues like spitting indiscriminatingly, jay walking, squeezing into busses like in India, poor personal hygene, inability to mix with locals because of language barriers, etc. are all real issues heartlanders who are affected faces.

seems like you are oblivious to these issues, and seriously NOT aware of your surroundings and what's going on.

The question then is what are we supposed to do about it. There is a serious need to (in the typical Singaporean way) get the government to set up a 'Welcome foreign non-talent' into Singapore 6 weeks induction programme where trainers will teach them local standards of personal hygene, road safety and common law in Singapore, and how to live in a HDB apartment and not disturb your neighbours with loud talking and poor standards of washing/hanging of clothes, throwing of rubbish, killer litter etc.

This applies to any foreign non-talent - and is not single out any one race... den to bring it back - how can this be 'racist'?????

I know you will not be able to fathom most of this - this piece is for the benefit of the other readers' entertainment and clarfication.

Edited August 5, 2008 by Baloo

[Baloo]

Case in point:

This lunch, went to Bugis 3rd Floor Food Court for lunch... Desserts Corner has lots of appetising pictures of delicious looking goodies...

and I ordered the BoBoChaCha (cold) ....

being the chatty type I casually asked the counter guy if they made their own or it's delivered by their boss precooked daily... He answered - we cook it ourselves here... in typical Mainland Chinese Putong Hua accent. (you can't miss it - locals/Malaysians working at counters will never talk in that Mainland China style - it's uncopyable).

The bobochacha... tasted like drainwater... my question is this: how can a mainland chinese who never handled santan before, never tasted local good bobochacha, make bobochacha unless they are truely 'professional' and 'talent'?

not disheartened, i ordered a second dish... red ruby with sago... the sago was green and in micro bead form... and it was like eating sand...

I could not believe it... ok the red ruby was normal... but everything else... PUI...

talking to the counter sales staff there would be pointless. they won't be able to explain anything. nor would i expect them to anyway. Just remember this. If the actual food looks suspect, check who is preparing / cooking the dish... local food, you can forget the standard if not local prepare at the hawker centre. I am not tokking chef standard at established restaurants and hotels... they got talent there... at hawker/food courts... dun have... all non-talent... just there as cheep labour. The concept of 'chin chye' jiak... truely RAMS home....

another shop for my black list. - or if i ever have to order there again, just order fresh strawberries and whipped cream... i dun think they can screw that one up much... just dun look at them handling the food tho... you might lose your appetite...

[busted79]

The Chinese, Indian and Philiphinos I work with are dishwashers and kitchen helpers. I don't see them spitting. The only people I see spitting are the old uncles in Chinatown who are obviously locals because they can't even string a sentence without hurling Hokkien vulgarities into it.

I did re-read your posts,

You said:

there are of course those rare exceptional Chinese Foreign Talent -- shaolin monks, or University students - really brilliant, and bringing raw talent here... those I applaud. but still, most dun practice good personal hygene at sgp standards... ew....

Then in another post, you said:

Yes, we all enjoy working with foreign talent from all over the world. Pls re-read my posts again... What I am saying is those foreign non-talent - the construction workers, the food court helpers, the store assistants, etc. that they all bring their own unique culture and bad habits here

In my opinion, that's contradicting.

Edited August 5, 2008 by busted79

[busted79]

I am gonna sum my points up.

I feel that in every society, there will be good people and there will be bad apples too. You speak as if all Singaporeans do not do things like jay walking, spitting, cutting queue and littering.

Whatever your views are, well I hope they work for you.

Edited August 5, 2008 by busted79

[busted79]

Lastly, these are the reasons why I think you are a racist,

Over the course of your posting, you hurled these:

1. kampong Cina (an obviously racist remark)

2. you better like smelling and contacting them up close - as i pressed till almost can't breathe hor... they have no problems doing that... only Singapoleans got problem... (discrimination just because a race smells a particular way)

3. Chinaman (offensive term, http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Chinaman)

And I just want to add this:

"Just remember this. If the actual food looks suspect, check who is preparing / cooking the dish... local food, you can forget the standard if not local prepare at the hawker centre. I am not tokking chef standard at established restaurants and hotels... they got talent there... at hawker/food courts... dun have... all non-talent... just there as cheep labour. The concept of 'chin chye' jiak... truely RAMS home.... "

(generalisation, go to Food Junction's Famosa Handmade Noodles. They are all CHinese and they whip up the best Dao Xiao Noodles I have ever tasted. Also, the 5-Star Hainanese Chicken Rice in River Valley has Chinese chefs, well what can I say....5-star speaks for itself. )

Edited August 5, 2008 by busted79

[Baloo]

har har har..... thanks... I am so entertained now...

you know busted79, we generating high readership with this exchange of views... shall we continue?

Chinaman is an offensive term??? how about THE MAD CHINAMAN?

it's how it's used, and it's how all your lines you take out of context of my posts are use that are so amusing.

I am not sure if you ever had to do the commute tru little india on the weekend evenings... regularly...

I am not sure if you had to visit and inspect the places where foreign workers rent apartments and overcrowd there.

I have been to Thai dorms, Indian dorms, and Chinese nationals dorms, and Malaysian dorms...

I have seen the state the place is in where the Chinese nationals have stayed.

your examples of good China people have run successful hawker/food shops... take a closer look...

i am not saying all are bad... i am saying that there is a huge number who are bad.

and i am not discriminating against any one race

and i am not saying that we stinkapoleans (is that more racist/offensive to you?? heh heh) are so well cultured, so well behaved. of course it takes all sorts to makeup the society... just look we have a master criminal in our midst! MSK has put us in the world map!!! is that racist remark??

you say you are not racist. I'd say you are just indifferent. do you know much about the culture of those you work with? from Thailand, India, Sri Lanka (is there a difference between Sri Lanka and India? if so what difference? they speak the some of the same language._) you say it's not ok to identify bad body odour... of course there are chinese singaporeans - male and female who have strong BO... but 90% of them??

haha if i were so discriminating, how about you sitting on a bench at Changi Point and have a company of SAF soldiers route march past you on their 28th km of a forced march training? do you think it smells or not? does that mean you are RACIST??? against the camoflage uniform? against our SAF soldiers?? becos that's what you are saying to my observation...

of you say you smell nothing?and it's ok for them all to board the same bus as you and travel with you squeezing in to max bus capacity sitting and standing... hmmm... actually i would really enjoy that hahahaha....fantasy come true.....

I work in an international environment where i come into direct contact with multi-racial, multi-cultural local and foreigners alike. some of my best friends are indians, malays and thai. i really do not think i am racist in that sense... they come to my place for meals, and vice versa, and we chat and play games and sometimes even tour together... funny how that would make me any more racist...

on a more sexual note.. some of my fxxk buddies are of international races... would you actually even have sex with someone not of your race and not of your skin colour? an indian national perhaps, does that mean you are racist becos you exclusively only have sex wif your same race/colour of skin person? come on...

Edited August 5, 2008 by Baloo

[Guest Guest]

You guys are freaking racists.

http://library.thinkquest.org/C0116280/chc.htm

Shame on you guys.

Stop racism now.

we are talking about local citizens and foreigner... not race !

[busted79]

In my opinion, you are a closet racist. Working with other races doesn't determine whether one is racist even if one enjoys it. But spreading racist propaganda and hate speeches in a forum does.

You aren't any different from those people who secretly admire the Nazi objectives.

[busted79]

While we are on this talk. Check this link out.

http://www.littlespeck.com/content/people/...ople-051003.htm

Good read.

[Baloo]

dude? I'm Chinese by race... so i write that China people coming to Singapore bring with them their spitting customs and non-Singaporean standard hygene standards...

so I am racist against Chinese?? racist against myself???

So I add... I observed that Serangoon Road on the weekends... thousands of jaywalkers... means I am racist against some other race???

dun be too quick to jump on the 'you are a racist./made a racist remark' bandwagon when you cannot comprehend what is the context of the post.

pls also find out what is a meltingpot in the first place...

a racist will never agree to a meltingpot. i have acknowledged it to be so in the first instance.

oh here i go again, beating up an unarmed person... so sorry

[busted79]

Ok, I dug down deep and I realised I just want everyone to live together as human beings.

I probably offended lots of peeps and I apologise for that.

I am freaking turning over a new leaf.........

[Guest guest]

Singaporeans just love to complain. When there is no china worker and indian worker, they complain no help. When there's so many now, they complain too many. And all because they're bloody f**king lazy asses that wants to make as much money with as little work. That is why any employers would rather employ a foreign talent who is hard working and not some lazy bitching Singaporean that wants high pay and gives little in terms of work attitude.

[Baloo]

Dear guest,

If you are commenting about this thread, then i strongly suggest you read the thread first before adding an opinion (a cliched one at that)

if you are just venting your ass becos you lost a job competition with Mr Chinaman or Mr Indiaman, well... la di da....

[Guest Guest]

Dear guest,

If you are commenting about this thread, then i strongly suggest you read the thread first before adding an opinion (a cliched one at that)

if you are just venting your ass becos you lost a job competition with Mr Chinaman or Mr Indiaman, well... la di da....

I read and re-read it carefully. I stick to my 1st post saying singaporeans like to complain. And to add to that, they can't take criticism. Have to come out with guns blazing to defend whatever theory they're always right about.

[Guest Guest Also]

I stick to my 1st post saying singaporeans like to complain. And to add to that, they can't take criticism. Have to come out with guns blazing to defend whatever theory they're always right about.

Well said guest..!! You are describing about yourself!! Typical Singaporean!!

[rotikawin]

Correct if i'm wrong, Baloo from your postings you seem to be "reluctantly accepting" to the reality of having to have the huge numbers of foreign non-skilled and semi-skilled workers. The only concern is questioning how various stakeholders (Govt, employers, grassroots, citizens, residents) can work together to help integrate them faster and more seamlessly into the "singaporean way-of-life"? Is that your real point here?

[Baloo]

Dear rotikawin

you are spot on in your observation.

it's not a complaint... it's just looking at the now, and seeing how hard it was for us to forge our society to the current state, only to have the balance so easily upset by the huge influx of migrant workers and professionals, most of whom have little or no idea how to live in our 'ordered' society - littering, spitting, jay walking, personal hygene, etc. and even the local cooking.

Even language has become a barrier after our decades of compulsory education for our citizen, etc... we now have huge throves of migrant professionals, managers, engineers and technicians who are sadly monolingual, and carry very limited tolerance and understanding of our multiracialism culture here.

my last words " the melting pot is not melting the new ingredients fast enough" should carry the meaning tru...

if you force feed it into a 'complaint' or 'non-complaint' category, i guess i will have to concede this is likely to fall into the 'complaint' category - given no other suitable choice

:whistle:

thanks!