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On Friday, March 04, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Guest Regular said:

Had massage last weekend in Brickfields, for men.

 

Felt awesome, after the manhood massage. Also tried the prostate massage. became fully erect by then. Very safe and clean. It was good for maintenance of your equipment and health. But strictly str8. Made booking thru email contact  urutkuasa@gmail.com

 

How long was the masage bro? Price?

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There is a new massage center and its name is:"Arjuna Men Spa", which is just opened on February 2, 2016.

 

Address: 13M Jalan Pandah Indah 4/2 Taman Pandan Indah 55100 Kuala Lumpur (near to RhB Bank Pandah Indah, not RhB Investment Bank, pls take note)

 

Contact no: Addy 0187672212

                   Azri 0182096188

 

Facebook: Arjuna Men Spa

 

Tentatively, there are providing massage which costs RM60 per hour which including manhood therapy or massage + manhood with scrub which costs RM100.

 

They open daily from 11am to 11pm except Monday

 

For the time being, they are only two masseurs available that are Addy (24 yrs old)and Azri (20 yrs old). Both of them are Local Malays from Johor.

 

Let's try it out and give comment over here....

 

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Just now, Guest said:

 

How long was the masage bro? Price?

Please see below for services provided by Urut Kuasa. Below are the promotional rates offered for a limited time.
 
 
Manhood massage                   RM40.00
This massage will focus on the male reproductive area. It will enhance circulation and promote stamina. It will also help with erectile problems, premature ejaculation, etc.
 
 
Prostate massage                      RM40.00
The prostate is usually ignored by most massage therapists. This is in fact very important in maintaining men's health. The massage will treat the prostate area and will promote better circulation (done with manhood massage)
 
 
Full body Lymphatic Massage for Men        RM60.00
Unlike the usual massages, this focuses on the lymphatic system which is responsible for general health and well being. This will flush out toxins from the body, restoring function and health. This can be with manhood therapy.
 
 
Physical Assessment              RM20.00
Recommended for new customers. This is a physical check up for men to determine your fitness requirements. You will be given information and advice on your well being. 
 
 
There are special promotions for repeat customers. The treatments are usually done in Brickfileds (MyHotel). The treatments can be booked by email to urutkuasa@gmail.com
 
Are you in a hurry ? A home visit can be arranged. There will be a small charge of RM20 to RM40 depending on location.
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Just now, Guest said:
Please see below for services provided by Urut Kuasa. Below are the promotional rates offered for a limited time.
 
 
Manhood massage                   RM40.00
This massage will focus on the male reproductive area. It will enhance circulation and promote stamina. It will also help with erectile problems, premature ejaculation, etc.
 
 
Prostate massage                      RM40.00
The prostate is usually ignored by most massage therapists. This is in fact very important in maintaining men's health. The massage will treat the prostate area and will promote better circulation (done with manhood massage)
 
 
Full body Lymphatic Massage for Men        RM60.00
Unlike the usual massages, this focuses on the lymphatic system which is responsible for general health and well being. This will flush out toxins from the body, restoring function and health. This can be with manhood therapy.
 
 
Physical Assessment              RM20.00
Recommended for new customers. This is a physical check up for men to determine your fitness requirements. You will be given information and advice on your well being. 
 
 
There are special promotions for repeat customers. The treatments are usually done in Brickfileds (MyHotel). The treatments can be booked by email to urutkuasa@gmail.com
 
Are you in a hurry ? A home visit can be arranged. There will be a small charge of RM20 to RM40 depending on location.
Andy
016 2644 265
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On 3/4/2016 at 5:39 PM, Guest Regular said:

 

 

38 minutes ago, Guest said:
Please see below for services provided by Urut Kuasa. Below are the promotional rates offered for a limited time.
 
 
Manhood massage                   RM40.00
This massage will focus on the male reproductive area. It will enhance circulation and promote stamina. It will also help with erectile problems, premature ejaculation, etc.
 
 
Prostate massage                      RM40.00
The prostate is usually ignored by most massage therapists. This is in fact very important in maintaining men's health. The massage will treat the prostate area and will promote better circulation (done with manhood massage)
 
 
Full body Lymphatic Massage for Men        RM60.00
Unlike the usual massages, this focuses on the lymphatic system which is responsible for general health and well being. This will flush out toxins from the body, restoring function and health. This can be with manhood therapy.
 
 
Physical Assessment              RM20.00
Recommended for new customers. This is a physical check up for men to determine your fitness requirements. You will be given information and advice on your well being. 
 
 
There are special promotions for repeat customers. The treatments are usually done in Brickfileds (MyHotel). The treatments can be booked by email to urutkuasa@gmail.com
 
Are you in a hurry ? A home visit can be arranged. There will be a small charge of RM20 to RM40 depending on location.

 

I am interested, but I will wait for reviews first. but no information provided about the masseur at all.  Seems very fishy to me. 

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Just now, Guest said:
Andy
016 2644 265

 

He is an local Indian CHUBBY guy with aged of 40yrs old.

 

I have tried his service at hotel .... 

 

As a new customer and is required, undergone a physical examination by him and it is nothing done by any machine, tools or equipment but just based on his verbally talk and kinda kind of recommendation and he said it is based on his yrs of experience.... To me, it is sought of wasted RM20.00 might as well pay more to seek consultation from professional.....

 

To his Lymphatic massage, it is exactly like other usual massage performed by those masseurs in center.... I have tried the proper Lymphatic massage many times in Singapore and overseas...and I know this is not the proper way of doing it....

 

As for the manhood massage, I have tried many and especially the proper one from MALAY and Indonesian, how his could compared with those I previously tried....

 

Finally, his prostate massage is some sought of finger-fucking.... and I believe that only BOTTOM would enjoy it.... The actual or exact prostate massage not everybody know how to do it..... I missed the one I have tried it in Singapore by a MALAY Therapist....

 

Conclusion: highly NOT recommended and save your RM160.00 to look for others

 

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On 3/4/2016 at 9:18 PM, Guest Lexxx said:

Steamer's Sauna in Dataran Glomac Kelana Jaya will be relocating to a bigger & better place behind of Kelana Jaya Medical Centre (KJMC). No exact date was mentioned, though. :clap:

 

it's going to be relocated somewhere end of MAY or beginning of JUNE, not so soon or now

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Just now, Guest said:

There is a new massage center and its name is:"Arjuna Men Spa", which is just opened on February 2, 2016.

 

Address: 13M Jalan Pandah Indah 4/2 Taman Pandan Indah 55100 Kuala Lumpur (near to RhB Bank Pandah Indah, not RhB Investment Bank, pls take note)

 

Contact no: Addy 0187672212

                   Azri 0182096188

 

Facebook: Arjuna Men Spa

 

Tentatively, there are providing massage which costs RM60 per hour which including manhood therapy or massage + manhood with scrub which costs RM100.

 

They open daily from 11am to 11pm except Monday

 

For the time being, they are only two masseurs available that are Addy (24 yrs old)and Azri (20 yrs old). Both of them are Local Malays from Johor.

 

Let's try it out and give comment over here....

 

 

Massage level is acceptable 

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8 hours ago, Guest said:

 

He is an local Indian CHUBBY guy with aged of 40yrs old.

 

I have tried his service at hotel .... 

 

As a new customer and is required, undergone a physical examination by him and it is nothing done by any machine, tools or equipment but just based on his verbally talk and kinda kind of recommendation and he said it is based on his yrs of experience.... To me, it is sought of wasted RM20.00 might as well pay more to seek consultation from professional.....

 

To his Lymphatic massage, it is exactly like other usual massage performed by those masseurs in center.... I have tried the proper Lymphatic massage many times in Singapore and overseas...and I know this is not the proper way of doing it....

 

As for the manhood massage, I have tried many and especially the proper one from MALAY and Indonesian, how his could compared with those I previously tried....

 

Finally, his prostate massage is some sought of finger-fucking.... and I believe that only BOTTOM would enjoy it.... The actual or exact prostate massage not everybody know how to do it..... I missed the one I have tried it in Singapore by a MALAY Therapist....

 

Conclusion: highly NOT recommended and save your RM160.00 to look for others

 

 

Thanks for the review! I needed to know! and 160!!!!!!!!!!!!! waaaaaaaaaat. I pay 60 for an excellent massage. and no need all this fuss.  

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On Sunday, March 06, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Guest said:

There is a new massage center and its name is:"Arjuna Men Spa", which is just opened on February 2, 2016.

 

Address: 13M Jalan Pandah Indah 4/2 Taman Pandan Indah 55100 Kuala Lumpur (near to RhB Bank Pandah Indah, not RhB Investment Bank, pls take note)

 

Contact no: Addy 0187672212

                   Azri 0182096188

 

Facebook: Arjuna Men Spa

 

Tentatively, there are providing massage which costs RM60 per hour which including manhood therapy or massage + manhood with scrub which costs RM100.

 

They open daily from 11am to 11pm except Monday

 

For the time being, they are only two masseurs available that are Addy (24 yrs old)and Azri (20 yrs old). Both of them are Local Malays from Johor.

 

Let's try it out and give comment over here....

 

Got sauna or jakuzi and all?

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Does anyone know if police raid a massage center and what will  happen to the customers? Will they be retained and someone has to bail  them out or will they be charged in court / Just worried .

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Just now, Guest mewbie senior said:

Does anyone know if police raid a massage center and what will  happen to the customers? Will they be retained and someone has to bail  them out or will they be charged in court / Just worried .

 

If worried, hide at home and lock yourself in the room: DIY - masturbate yourself and eat your own juice.... 

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Anyone has tried this masseurs before? Please five some reviews, comments, or suggestions?

 

IZAR +60193166106 

 

He is doing OUTCALL and also INCALL at his Spa at BANTING, SELANGOR

 

His Personal Facebook: Professional Outcall Urut

 

His Spa Facebook:  Sauna Herba De Aroma

 

Thank you

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Monday, 7 March 2016

Taman Bandaran Kelana Jaya a popular hangout for gay and bisexual community after midnight

BY SHEILA SRI PRIYA, T.L. TAN, andC.Y. LEE

 

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Although Taman Bandaran Kelana Jaya is poorly lit near the lake area, the carpark is busy with vehicles coming in past midnight. —Photos: IZZRAFIQ ALIAS

Although Taman Bandaran Kelana Jaya is poorly lit near the lake area, the carpark is busy with vehicles coming in past midnight. —Photos: IZZRAFIQ ALIAS

 

 

IN THE evenings, Taman Bandaran Kelana Jaya is a popular spot for families and joggers but as night falls and the crowds disperse, it becomes home to a more closeted community.

For the past 15 years, the park has become a favourite place for those who hide their gender identity and sexual orientation.

StarMetro visited the park past midnight on several evenings recently and spoke to some of those who gather there.

 

The park was dark but many vehicles were seen entering and exiting the carpark.

The ambient light from nearby condominiums and the general city glare gave a twilight cast to the park and men could be seen walking about, seemingly aimless or seated looking at their smartphones at points around the central park area.

The boathouse sees an almost unending stream of men of all ages coming in and going out.

The male crowd at the lake did not engage in conversation with anyone.

 

1 Taman Bandaran Kelana Jaya also attracts anglers at night and MBPJ said it was illegal to fish at night here.2 The boathouse is used as a place for immoral activities with used condoms often found lying around there.3 Wong said at least 40 of those he spoke to at the Kelana Jaya lake late at night would stop to fill in the survey forms distributed during his outreach programmes.4 Tai said the foundation is aware of the issue at the lake which has been ongoing for over 15 years.
Taman Bandaran Kelana Jaya also attracts anglers at night and MBPJ said it was illegal to fish at night here.

 

They mostly looked like they were on their own and many were seen standing at one location in the dark.

When the StarMetro reporters took a walk to the boathouse, they discovered several individuals engaged in immoral activities.

On the flip side, there were also those who came to the park to indulge in some night fishing but these people were mostly in groups.

A 33-year-old man, who had been living in the Klang Valley for a decade, said he was trying to hook-up with other like-minded individuals after getting disappointed with smart phone apps.

“Half the time when I go on the app and chat and make appointments to meet with the other guy, the person does not show up.

“Or their profile is deceiving. The profile picture put up doesn’t look anything like the person you actually meet,” he said.

He spoke in Mandarin and Cantonese and revealed that he had a much older boyfriend.

However, he visited the lake to cari makan (indulge in casual sex) because his partner was also out doing the same.

He stressed though, that he had never gone further than oral sex with those he had hooked up with at the lake.

The boathouse at the Taman Bandaran KElana Jaya is used as a place for immoral activities. StarMetro saw items such a used condom littered here.

The second person StarMetro spoke to was fluent in Malay and said he was bisexual.

Although married, he kept his sexual orientation a secret from his family and visited the park occasionally to meet other men.

Both men StarMetro spoke to said there had been raids by the authorities at the lake, but, by and large, they were left alone.

“Sometimes, you get law enforcement officers or even those from the armed forces coming here for the same reason as us, but we need to be careful,” said the bisexual.

Resident Sahabat Taman Kelana Jaya secretary and SS7 Lengkuk Golf Residents Association chairman Esham Salam said the park was well-known as a spot for immoral activities during the wee hours of the morning.

“If you are internet savvy, you will be able to find out all the sordid details of this park,” he said.

Esham added that it was a common site to see used condoms strewn about the park in the morning.

 

PT Foundation Acting Chief Operations Officer Raymond Tai said the foundation is aware of the issue at the lake which has been ongoing for at least over 15 years.
Wong said at least 40% of those he spoke to at the Kelana Jaya lake late at night would stop to fill in the survey forms distributed during his outreach programmes.

 

“If you visit the abandoned boathouse, you will find used condoms on the floor. We have seen it several times,” he said.

Esham added that in the past, raids had been carried out in the park but the immoral activities persisted.

“The issue had been raised with the Petaling Jaya City Council (MBPJ) numerous times but the problem was ongoing.

“All these raids are just a one-off solution to the issue.

“Why not brighten the lake and make it less conducive for such activities?” he suggested.

The remedy would be continuous enforcement, Esham added.

PT Foundation acting chief operations officer Raymond Tai said the foundation was aware that a certain segment of the men-who-have-sex-with-men (MSM) population had been using the park as a social gathering site for more than 15 years.

However, the foundation had found the venue to be a practical place to promote public health education.

The foundation worked with key affected populations and assisted the Health Ministry in reducing HIV and sexually-transmitted infections (STI), as well as promote HIV testing.

“We adopt a non-discriminatory and non-judgemental approach in dealing with key affected populations.

“Our volunteers conduct peer outreach programmes in the park about twice a month,

“Our volunteers are trained to approach the visitors in a respectable and friendly manner.

“Our focus is on helping the community be aware of HIV and STIs.

“We encourage them to self assess their risk exposure to HIV and STIs, provide accurate information and encourage them to get tested for HIV, AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases,” he said.

“As our volunteers are able to gain their trust, we are able to have a useful conversation around safe sex practices.

 

PT Foundation volunteer Andy Wong, 26, said at least 40 of those he spoke to at the Kelana Jaya lake late at night would stop to fill in the survey forms distributed during his outreach programs.
Tai said the foundation is aware of the issue at the lake which has been ongoing for over 15 years.

 

“Contrary to public perception, not all MSM are engaged in multiple partner relationships, and not all MSM are engaged in high risk sexual behaviour,” he said.

Tai said many were monogamous, and many practised using condoms all the time.

However, as there is always a certain level of risk in all sexual activities, the only way to know if one is infected with HIV is to get tested regularly, which the foundation encourages.

“Many are afraid of getting tested due to the stigma associated.

“They are worried their identity will be revealed and their families will be notified,” said Tai.

The foundation tries to help reduce the stigma by offering anonymous and confidential testing conducted at the Community Health Care Centre (CHC).

The clients are supported with pre- and post-test counselling.

“For those who test positive for diseases, our centre will provide practical assistance and follow-up with treatment, care and support.

“We have a buddy support group and peer counsellors who can assist the client every step of the way,” he said.

The CHCC is open to all regardless of race, religion, age, gender and sexuality.

The clients range from students to factory workers, to professionals and government servants.

PT Foundation does not believe that a punitive and moralistic approach would serve the interest of public health, especially since the Government has affirmed that the country’s goal is to end AIDS by 2023.

“In order to do that, we need to ensure that 90% of the key affected populations get tested and treated so that there are no new transmissions.

“As the MSM population is one of the key affected populations, it is important that gay men and other MSM are not stigmatised to the point they go underground,” said Tai.

Currently, due to legislation and religious persecution, the community is afraid to come forward for testing and treatment.

Hence organisations such as PT Foundation are doing what they can to help the Health Ministry, he added.

Tai said venues such as Kelana Jaya park made the outreach programme easier.

However, raids and negative media exposure will drive the community further underground.

PT Foundation volunteer Andy Wong, 26, said at least 40% of those he spoke to at the Kelana Jaya lake late at night would stop to fill in the survey forms distributed during his outreach work.

Wong said when he was on a PT foundation outreach activity, he had met a well-built man who was reluctant to carry condoms.

The guy said he would not accept condoms from the foundation or carry a condom because he would be in trouble if the authorities nabbed him.

“He told us carrying a condom would make him a suspect if he was caught.

“This hampers our efforts to promote safe sex to avoid diseases,” said Wong.

Tai said the MSM community were also vulnerable to other problems when they visited places such as the lake.

“They sometimes get robbed, attacked by mat rempit, beaten and even held ransom by those they meet,” he said.

MBPJ public relations officer Zainun Zakariah said the council was aware of the problems at the lake and had on numerous occasions changed the lights to brighten the area.

“We have even installed stadium-type lights there. They vandalise the lights by messing with the electricity cables or even breaking the light bulbs,” she said.

She added that fishing was also not allowed at the lake after sunset.

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Went to fc massage around 11 pm ish thurs night. Good thing they opened late. Picked a Vietnamese, opt for b2b. Nice massage but did not venture further haha. Very polite chap, no attidude whatsoever. Very nice and accomodating host/manager too. He gave me clear direction on how to get there. 

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I really wanna try FC Massage but can I tell them in advance that I don't want anal penetration? I'm ok for anything else. :) And are they the kind who will make a move first or you just gotta lie down and they know what to do with you... 

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@kotadamansara, my masseur did ask me whether or not he should proceed with hj. I declined the offer. I think that every masseur has diff approach when it comes to initiating a happy ending.

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42 minutes ago, Guest said:

@kotadamansara, my masseur did ask me whether or not he should proceed with hj. I declined the offer. I think that every masseur has diff approach when it comes to initiating a happy ending.

That's lovely of them to ask... :) Thanks for responding! 

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Hi,

 

I have a few questions here and I would personally appreciate if you could help.

 

1. I wanted to try FC. I am more into young top Chinese boys. Who would you recommend?

 

2. I have always been curious about Fresh's Special tag. Some do not seem to be that buff to be in the list. What is the "Special" tag for and what's the price for them?

 

3. If I were to try BBBoy, who would you most recommend for cute polite boy who is a top with a bigger tool?

 

Regards,

Noob

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17 minutes ago, Guest Noob said:

Hi,

 

I have a few questions here and I would personally appreciate if you could help.

 

1. I wanted to try FC. I am more into young top Chinese boys. Who would you recommend?

 

2. I have always been curious about Fresh's Special tag. Some do not seem to be that buff to be in the list. What is the "Special" tag for and what's the price for them?

 

3. If I were to try BBBoy, who would you most recommend for cute polite boy who is a top with a bigger tool?

 

Regards,

Noob

I only can help u question no 3, ethan has the bigger tools, second is daniel, both have a great massage

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10 hours ago, Guest Noob said:

Hi,

 

I have a few questions here and I would personally appreciate if you could help.

 

1. I wanted to try FC. I am more into young top Chinese boys. Who would you recommend?

 

2. I have always been curious about Fresh's Special tag. Some do not seem to be that buff to be in the list. What is the "Special" tag for and what's the price for them?

 

3. If I were to try BBBoy, who would you most recommend for cute polite boy who is a top with a bigger tool?

 

Regards,

Noob

I cant precisely answer ques no 1 but for sure fc has 3 or more local chi masseur to pick from when i visited them

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2 hours ago, yhtang said:

 

If I remember correctly, it is RM30 per entry.  If you choose a one hour massage, the entry plus massage is RM60.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Wow got massage there wor. How was it? If dont wan gym can use the facilities just pay for the usage?

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Went to mandi manda around 8/pm. This place still has its hype. Was packed when i got there. The person manning the front desk had this "she's all that" attitude..what a nasty personality.

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1 hour ago, Guest said:

Went to mandi manda around 8/pm. This place still has its hype. Was packed when i got there. The person manning the front desk had this "she's all that" attitude..what a nasty personality.

Yup, Mandi manda is always packed on weekends. But there are a few things that I dislike about that place. The sauna and steam room are too dark. The rain baths area is a waste of space and should be replaced with a jacuzzi. And the music is horrible, IMO.

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11 hours ago, Guest said:

Went to mandi manda around 8/pm. This place still has its hype. Was packed when i got there. The person manning the front desk had this "she's all that" attitude..what a nasty personality.

I was there too. Maybe we bump into each other in the darkroom.

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Just now, Meo88 said:

Hello how are you all recently? Wan to ask who still got go 52 forest? 

52 forest seems like a dead place ever since three years ago.... nobody want to give them a fuck visit even...

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Guest guest hakim

hi guys will be in bukit bintang this april. looking for good massage center with happy ending(just handjob).

 

upon reading - closest i believe is kursani wangsa maju(can reach via lrt) then theres sempurna avenue - nearby viva home(this can be reached via taman miharja).

 

but looks like sempurna avenue is the one with likelihood to receive HJs from the masseurs right?

 

any price info? the kursani website for piricelist doesnt work apprently.

 

thanks!

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5 hours ago, Guest said:

52 forest seems like a dead place ever since three years ago.... nobody want to give them a fuck visit even...

But today i went there. Only have  8-10. I got suck my friend dick and see live show. Two chinese guy. Having fun. Suck, lick and continue.... 

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On Sunday, March 06, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Guest said:

There isw massage center and its name is:"Arjuna Men Spa",  which is just opened on February 2, 2016.

 

Address: 13M Jalan Pandah Indah 4/2 Tamangan Indah 55100 Kuala Lumpur (near to RhB Bank Ph Indah, not RhB Investment Bank, pls take note)

 

Contact no: Addy 0187672212

                   Azri 0182096188

 

Facebook: Arjuna Men Spa

 

Tentatively, there are providing massage which costs RM60 per hour which including manhood therapy or massage + manhood with scrub which costs RM100.

 

They open daily from 11am to 11pm except Monday

 

For the time being, they are only two masseurs available that are Addy (24 yrs old)and Azri (20 yrs old). Both of them are Local Malays from Johor.

 

Let's try it out and give comment over here....

 

Went to try their massage today, good environment, clean, polite messeurs, no hanky panky, no manhood massage, not sensual, very very soft stroke, like just apply lotion and touch, after massage like nit Not being massage at all, if you like soft massage this is thr Place

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4 hours ago, Guest said:

kursani at wanga maju haw been closed (changed ownership to straight joint indon massage) for quite sometime.

right thanks. will try sempurna then :)

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I had my second visit to Senses around 5pm today. However, I had to wait at reception because was told that Senses was lack of towels. After me, there was more people came in. After they were told that no towels, 2 people left immediately but there were around 6 people wait include me. During waiting, I noticed that a lot of locker keys on the front desk. It seemed that no enough towels to fill up those empty lockers. Then, I left after waiting for 5 minutes. Later I enjoy my weekend sauna fun at Kakiku.

 

In here, I want to ask: Does insufficient towel happen in Senses?

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1 hour ago, Guest massage lover said:

Went to try their massage today, good environment, clean, polite messeurs, no hanky panky, no manhood massage, not sensual, very very soft stroke, like just apply lotion and touch, after massage like nit Not being massage at all, if you like soft massage this is thr Place

I also back from there today at 4.40pm. I do massage and scrub, is very good experience. But the place is quick far for me to go. 

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I just back from citybay puchong, i have bill today as my massuer, bill from vietnam he is a very good massage and i got scrub today. After scrub skin was smooth. HE not good cause Cxxk not big enough for me. When he enter i just arghhh but no pain. Hahahahaha if u wan only massage. Massage skill Bill is good. 

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anybody can advise which sauna/bar in KL is the best to visit for other manly guys?tried to read previous post but no clue so far,better put the best sauna/bar on top of the post for easy reading:-)

also first time in KL,is it safe to reach gay saunas by taxi?,thanks.

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tried henry from fresh 2 recently. he is from vietnam n  suprisingly he speaks fluent cantonese n mandarin so language wasnt a problem unless u dun speak either. he is quite good looking my taste anyway,n his massage is oso good in terms of strength n flexibility.the h.e was oso good as he is quite accomodating n of course tips r required 4 the extras.

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