Does religious ppl have more 善良的心?

[Guest Xinhtiao]

moi go to some religious grp gathering see the ppl there heypi heypi all easy going kind...
but is that their true self outside of the grp setting i wonder?

[InBangkok]

Isn't it true that in any group setting when you have a lot of people who believe in more or less the same ideas, there is bound to be more 善良的心? I think this is particularly true in a group religious setting where there is a dedicated leader who leads the group and gives lots of reasons why the group's beliefs are valid. For many in those congregations, they find comfort in this.

 

But I seriously doubt if all those in the group feel the same outside the group. Quite a few probably have doubts and some will be far less kind and easy going. The real world is tough. Many group members will feel disaffected in their daily lives for one reason or another.

[lonelyglobe]

If u r good,  u r good,  nothing to do with religion although they try to teach people to be good generally.

[yuquidam]

Have seen and experienced the good, the bad and even the ugly🥴

[fab]

On 5/30/2022 at 8:46 AM, Guest Xinhtiao said:

Does religious ppl have more 善良的心?

 

No.

 

Tho majority are. 

Edited May 30, 2022 by fab

[Guest Just that]

Ideal world is a fantasy.  Perfect world doesn't exist.  As a result, religion world was created as an escape to make people happy and just that. Once they are outside the religion world, they are back to themselves.  Period!

[yhtang]

On 5/30/2022 at 12:03 PM, lonelyglobe said:

If u r good,  u r good,  nothing to do with religion although they try to teach people to be good generally.

 

 

I agree.  A proper religion will teach its followers to be good.

 

How religion is interpreted by their religious leader is another matter though. 

 

My personal opinion is that religious people is not necessarily the same as people who appear at places of worship. 

 

One can be true to one's religion without constantly making appearances at places of worship.  I have to stress that I do not mean that those who make appearances at places of worship are not religious.  Ultimately, it is the actions of a person that shows whether he is a good person or not.  I do not believe religion is the only guide to a person's moral compass.  It can help though.  But at the same time, I do not believe a person's moral compass can only be guided by a religion.   

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

I don't know.

Many of the worst people that I've come across (classmates, bosses, acquaintances, etc) profess to be Christians (of all denominations).

 

But then again, I've also met very kind and good Christians, but far fewer than the bad ones. 

 

So it's hard to generalise.

 

Personally, I think whether a person has 善心 or not does not depend on the person's religion. They either have it, or they don't. 

 

Religion is very often "accidental", which means in many cases, people follow the religion that they are most exposed to. 

E.g. if you are Filipino, you most likely will be Catholic. If you are Russian or Ukrainian, you would be Orthodox Christian. If you are Taiwanese, you would be Taoist or Buddhist. If you are from Israel, you would either be Muslim or Jewish. If you are Native American . . . Well, you get the picture.

 

善心 is irrespective of religion.

[Spugnatura]

On 5/30/2022 at 9:47 PM, Guest Guest said:

I don't know.

Many of the worst people that I've come across (classmates, bosses, acquaintances, etc) profess to be Christians (of all denominations).

 

But then again, I've also met very kind and good Christians, but far fewer than the bad ones. 

 

So it's hard to generalise.

 

Personally, I think whether a person has 善心 or not does not depend on the person's religion. They either have it, or they don't. 

 

Religion is very often "accidental", which means in many cases, people follow the religion that they are most exposed to. 

E.g. if you are Filipino, you most likely will be Catholic. If you are Russian or Ukrainian, you would be Orthodox Christian. If you are Taiwanese, you would be Taoist or Buddhist. If you are from Israel, you would either be Muslim or Jewish. If you are Native American . . . Well, you get the picture.

 

善心 is irrespective of religion.

Totally agree!👍 

[Spugnatura]

And btw, Christianity spreaded here tru colonialism.

 

Likewise Islam spreaded here tru the old Arab traders.

 

Otherwise there would not be such religions here.

 

Kind-hearted or not is up to the person's actions based on their nature and upbringing. Nothing to do with religion.

 

In fact religions drive a lot of people to harm others - discrimination, suicide bombers, etc. 

 

I wouldn't trust religions to impart kindness on people!

 

 

[Steve5380]

On 5/29/2022 at 11:03 PM, lonelyglobe said:

If u r good,  u r good,  nothing to do with religion although they try to teach people to be good generally.

 

At a risk of appearing cynical, I find that the teaching of goodness is not central to most organized religions, although it is more pronounced in Christianity.

 

The most important teaching of a religion is...  the respect for the religion and its authorities.  Just look at Judaism:  the first three Commandments  (the most important?) are nothing but propaganda for their god.    Not to kill comes at a distant 5th.   Any teaching of goodness comes as an afterthought, or rather, for the purpose of give the religion credibility, make it important.  Like making believe that goodness comes only from the religion and is not something intrinsic in us.   On the contrary,  Christianity teaches that we come loaded with the evil of the "original sin".

 

I am convinced that we can be good without the participation of ANY organized religion.

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Edited June 2, 2022 by Steve5380

[Guest Nitty Kitty]

On 6/2/2022 at 9:20 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

I am convinced that we can be good without the participation of ANY organized religion.

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It is hard to fathom how this could be possible when 3 tenors comes together, so regularly.

[MadMan]

Didn’t someone said: Good people do good things and bad people do evil things, but for good people to do evil things, it takes religions…so true

[Guest Yukiko Kamasutra]

Religion and religious Joes / Janes uses emotional blackmail to make you a convert lah...

 

 

It goes like this, becos the higher being did this and that and died on your behalf , therefore you must respond and do this and this and that.

 

Like your mum, when you are naughty ans drive her up the walll, she uses  苦 肉 计， 

 

Like threatening to 吊颈 ， 跳楼 ， 

 

Or she say something like after all the sacrifice i made to 维持这个家，   you still want to date that unemployed arts guy ? 

 

I will listen to my mum's emotional blackmail , dont want her to jump or hang . I grew up with her. 

 

 

But a deity in a book.is all based on hearsay. 

 

And religious Joes and Janes, I dont know nor love them as much as I love my own family. 

 

 

End of story.

[Spugnatura]

On 5/30/2022 at 2:04 PM, Guest Just that said:

Ideal world is a fantasy.  Perfect world doesn't exist.  As a result, religion world was created as an escape to make people happy and just that. Once they are outside the religion world, they are back to themselves.  Period!

Totally agree👍 

[Guest Yukiko Kamasutra]

 

 

Is this what they mean by religious people being kind. 

 

Give them a pint then they demand a pound. 

 

Beware , dont be taken in by their kind , kindness. 

 

Religious fanatics cannot think with their right logic when they go deep dive into religion and allows religion to dictate every aspect and every square inch of their lives  

 

Then they will want to kaypoh into every other  persons private intimate lives and  private action

 

 

Religious Joes / Janes start to think for God.  

 

THEY can read mind meh

 

人 是  活  的 ， 有 七  情  六  欲。

 

经  书  的 教诲   是   死   的，

 

没有  伸   缩     性    的

 

 

[Steve5380]

On 6/2/2022 at 10:52 AM, Guest Yukiko Kamasutra said:

 

 

Is this what they mean by religious people being kind. 

 

Give them a pint then they demand a pound. 

 

Beware , dont be taken in by their kind , kindness. 

 

Religious fanatics cannot think with their right logic when they go deep dive into religion and allows religion to dictate every aspect and every square inch of their lives  

 

Then they will want to kaypoh into every other  persons private intimate lives and  private action

 

 

What a bitch!   "masturbation is a crime.... against god... and against the person itself "

 

She has absolutely no basis to say that.  She has the pride to think she knows something about god, yet she knows nothing.  What she said is what someone may have told her or what she read somewhere.  Hearsay.  We can be absolutely certain that she didn't have a private conversation with god where he told her. 

 

And she obviously does not have a brain,  otherwise she would have reflected:   why should masturbation be a crime?   Isn't it an act that does not victimize anyone?  The idea that if I masturbate I am hurting myself is pure bullshit.  I have masturbated for more than 60 years and I am perfectly fine.  No damage from this.  

 

The fact that she does not reflect about the religious stories she hears but passes them right through to others takes away her goodness.  She is an instrument of falsity and deception.

[yhtang]

On 6/2/2022 at 11:52 PM, Guest Yukiko Kamasutra said:

 

 

 

The basis of her position on masturbation being "a crime against God" revolves around her belief of her religion.

 

If I am not a subscriber to her religious beliefs, then I would not be bothered with her views.

 

If I do not subscribe to a flat earth theory, it would not bother me what the flat-earther says and/or believes.

If I were a flat-earther, I would ignore all the arguments against my belief by round-earthers. 

 

In this case, her pushing her beliefs on others does not make her appear to possess and/or to be practicing kindness in my eyes. 

 

I am sure she personally and sincerely believe she is pushing her agenda for the sake of all humankind, and from her personal aspect, she is practicing kindness.   

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 6/2/2022 at 11:52 PM, Guest Yukiko Kamasutra said:

 

 

Is this what they mean by religious people being kind. 

 

Give them a pint then they demand a pound. 

 

Beware , dont be taken in by their kind , kindness. 

 

Religious fanatics cannot think with their right logic when they go deep dive into religion and allows religion to dictate every aspect and every square inch of their lives  

 

Then they will want to kaypoh into every other  persons private intimate lives and  private action

 

 

Religious Joes / Janes start to think for God.  

 

THEY can read mind meh

 

人 是  活  的 ， 有 七  情  六  欲。

 

经  书  的 教诲   是   死   的，

 

没有  伸   缩     性    的

 

 

 

I remember when I was in Sec 3, a classmate of mine from City Harvest Church asked me if I masturbated. I replied, "Of course".

And then he went on to tell me how his church taught that it was wrong and sinful, although he was nice about it and not pushy.

And later on in JC, a girl (who attends New Creation Church) from my faculty asked my guy friend and I if we masturbated. Then she wrote me a letter explaining why it was wrong and sinful.

I don't know what is the obsession that Christians have with masturbation. And I believe that in the Roman Catholic Church, it's worse.

Apparently, if you masturbated, you cannot receive Communion until you have confessed it to a priest. And the priest often will make you feel like a piece of 💩 for masturbating.

So if you are trying to be a faithful Catholic, you will end up being very traumatised, because it is practically humanly impossible to abstain from masturbation for a prolonged period. 

[Guest Try and see]

On 5/30/2022 at 8:46 AM, Guest Xinhtiao said:

moi go to some religious grp gathering see the ppl there heypi heypi all easy going kind...
but is that their true self outside of the grp setting i wonder?

 

On 5/30/2022 at 9:37 AM, InBangkok said:

Isn't it true that in any group setting when you have a lot of people who believe in more or less the same ideas, there is bound to be more 善良的心? I think this is particularly true in a group religious setting where there is a dedicated leader who leads the group and gives lots of reasons why the group's beliefs are valid. For many in those congregations, they find comfort in this.

 

But I seriously doubt if all those in the group feel the same outside the group. Quite a few probably have doubts and some will be far less kind and easy going. The real world is tough. Many group members will feel disaffected in their daily lives for one reason or another.

 

If you are referring to Christians in general, then from experience, what I have noticed is that their Sunday church behaviour is often very different from their weekday office/school behaviour.

 

Also, a lot of Christians will act very holy on Sundays, and then during weekdays, they will post abusive messages online to slander people, etc.