Foreign / Overseas LGBT News - Gay News Outside Singapore (Compiled)

[Guest Giraffe]

While Singapore is still stuck in the past with its deplorable homophobic laws, Hong Kong is moving forward in step with other progressive and inclusive states. 

 

https://qz.com/1393834/hong-kong-will-allow-gay-couples-to-get-dependant-spousal-visas/

 

Hong Kong will now allow gay expat couples to get spousal visas

 

The Hong Kong government said today (Sept. 18) that it would grant dependant visas to legally recognized gay couples the same way it does for married heterosexual couples.

 

The new policy, which comes into effect tomorrow (Sept. 19), follows a historic ruling in July by Hong Kong’s Court of Final Appeal, which found that a British woman, known only as QT, faced “irrational” discrimination by immigration authorities in not being awarded a dependant visa to accompany her female partner, with whom she was in a legally recognized civil union, to Hong Kong.

 

The government’s decision marks an important victory for LGBT rights in the city, and is particularly significant as the Hong Kong government has on multiple occasions stymied the development of such rights. In QT’s case, the government appealed the Court of Appeal’s ruling in favor of QT in 2017, which resulted in July’s ruling by the Court of Final Appeal. In May 2017, a Hong Kong court granted spousal benefits to the same-sex partner of a civil servant, only for Hong Kong’s department of justice to appeal it weeks later.

 

In the face of stiff government opposition to advancing LGBT rights, global financial firms in Hong Kong have played a key role in advocating for QT’s case and for progressive LGBT rights more broadly, on the grounds that it would help Hong Kong-based firms attract top talent.

 

However, in its statement regarding the policy change today, the Hong Kong government stressed that the decision does not signify any move toward recognizing same-sex marriages or civil unions, now or in the future.

 

Michael Vidler, a lawyer representing QT, said that even after today’s decision, the city lags behind “all those countries to which Hong Kong compares itself favourably” with regards to gay rights, as many other similar jurisdictions have already legalized same-sex marriages or partnerships. “They cannot see the writing is on the wall,” he added.

 

[Guest Hard truths]

45 minutes ago, Guest Giraffe said:

 

In the face of stiff government opposition to advancing LGBT rights, global financial firms in Hong Kong have played a key role in advocating for QT’s case and for progressive LGBT rights more broadly, on the grounds that it would help Hong Kong-based firms attract top talent.

 

 

Unfortunately, we may never know the real costs of retaining 377A in terms of the loss of top talents and firms who decided to move elsewhere with more LGBT friendly laws.

[Guest Share share]

Here's another report:

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/hong-kong-to-allow-dependent-visa-for-same-sex-couples-after-landmark-ruling-10732538

[Guest ginormous]

you can allow same sex spousalnvisa like hongkong, but without implementing same sex marriage in hongkong itself.

 

it makes a lot if sense.

 

like you can say i say i recognise your marriage certificate without necessarily wanting to have your maori or fijian native marriage riruals done here for example.

 

its no big deal.

 

Singapore can also recognise and implement same sex couples spousal or family visa and allow the sponsored partner to permanent residence in singapore but without necessarily allowing or recognising same sex marriage or even removing 377A . 

 

it is workable.

[Cube3]

1 hour ago, Guest ginormous said:

Singapore can also recognise and implement same sex couples spousal or family visa and allow the sponsored partner to permanent residence in singapore but without necessarily allowing or recognising same sex marriage or even removing 377A .

 

Yes, we would need to get rid of religious bigotry first...

[Guest ghiirleelo no]

13 hours ago, Cube3 said:

 

Yes, we would need to get rid of religious bigotry first...

 

 

No need to bring religion into the picture.

 

If there is an economic imperative, the talent attraction immigration laws have moved in tandem with Singapore's economic development all thru the years.

[Guest Inspiring Positive Energy]

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Britain's first gay soap opera 'A Gay Victorian Affair' debuts online.

Better than Yanxi Palace

 

 

[Guest no other topics inM'laysia]

Malaysia’s 310,000 homosexuals just an early estimate, Jakim officer says

Ida Lim

3 hrs ago

 

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 30 ― A senior officer from the Malaysian Islamic Development Department (Jakim) today sought to play down his earlier remark on the current homosexual population in the country, where the minority demographic group still faces discrimination.

 

Mohd Izwan Md Yusof from the Malaysian Islamic Development Department (Jakim) clarified that his reported remark that there are 310,000 homesexuals in the country was only a “preliminary” figure and “not been finalised by the Ministry of Health Malaysia as quoted”.

 

The senior assistant director of Jakim's family, social and community development division's social unit, also gave an interpretation of “gay”.

“Gay according to the definition by Blanch Consulting, is a man that has same-sex attraction from the sexual, romantic and physical aspects.

“In relation to that, someone labelled gay is not necessarily someone who has carried out same-sex relations whether it is homosexual or sodomy. This group is just considered to have same-sex attraction,” he said in a statement.

 

Mohd Izwan said Jakim is committed to continue carrying out efforts to explain and give guidance through the “Mukhayyam” programme to provide “spiritual intervention” for those in the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community who wish to have guidance.

“At the same time, Jakim calls on society to strengthen the family institution together and monitor the behaviour of their children to educate and provide religious understanding as best as they can,” he added.

 

The Mukhayyam programme is a programme by Jakim to rehabilitate those in the LGBT community, with Mohd Izwan yesterday saying that 1,450 people had received assistance via this programme with some going on to get married, while some had changed their dressing and some are controlling themselves from returning to that lifestyle.

 

Mohd Izwan yesterday said at a seminar that there were 173,000 homosexuals in Malaysia in 2013, reportedly revealing that the numbers have gone up to 310,000 this year.

 

He had also said that the transgender population in Malaysia had increased from 10,000 in 1988 to 30,000 this year.

 

In the same seminar on LGBT awareness, Mohd Izwan had urged society to not use derogatory terms against the LGBT community, saying that Muslims should provide counselling those who have an “LGBT lifestyle” to bring them back to the “right path” instead of hate them.

[Guest no other topics inM'laysia]

Jakim officer claims internet and boarding school reasons for rise in LGBT

Published 1 day ago on 29 October 2018

By Opalyn Mok

 

GEORGE TOWN, Oct 29 — Mohd Izwan Md Yusof from Malaysian Islamic Development Department (Jakim) today blamed the internet and boarding schools as part of the reason for the rise in the number of lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgenders (LGBT).

He said there was a rise in the LGBT community in recent years as the internet has become easily available.

 

“Youths now have easier access to the internet, social media and mobile apps on LGBT, they are watching videos they are not supposed to watch about LGBT,” said the social and community director.

Mohd Izwan said parents should be more vigilant and monitor their children’s online activities especially when they are hiding in their rooms.

 

“Parents should be more aware of their children’s activities because gay tendencies can be developed at a young age due to LGBT influences,” he said during a seminar on LGBT awareness at the Caring Society Complex here.

He also blamed boarding schools as potential places for students to develop homosexual tendencies.

 

“These same-sex boarding schools meant the students spend a lot of time with the same sex and they might be unaware of the inappropriate influences they are exposed to especially at a young age,” he said.

He suggested that boarding schools be open only for students above 16 years old as at that age, they can differentiate between bad and good.

 

Mohd Izwan warned the society against using derogatory terms against the LGBT groups such as “sotong” (Malay for cuttlefish).

“We should stop calling them sotong, instead, we should take them in, talk to them and pray for them,” he said.

Mohd Izwan said the use of such derogatory terms against the LGBT community might backfire and cause them to be more daring in promoting their lifestyle.

 

He said homosexuality is a sin according to Islam but Muslims must not hate the LGBT community.

“In Islam, we don’t support the LGBT lifestyle but we have to take a different approach to counsel them instead of hating them,” he said.

 

He said the LGBT community should be counselled so that they can “go back to the right path”.

He said Jakim has the “Mukhayyam” programme to rehabilitate those in the LGBT community.

“We have helped 1,450 people under the programme where some have went on to get married, some have changed their dressing and some are practising control from going back to that lifestyle,” he said.

 

Mohd Izwan had earlier revealed that there were 173,000 homosexuals in Malaysia back in 2013 but the numbers have almost doubled to 310,000 this year.

 

“Studies have shown that the transgender population, consisting mostly of sex workers, is at about 30,000 this year compared to 10,000 in 1988,” he said.

 

Another speaker at the seminar, Dr Janizah Abdul Ghani, claimed homosexuality between men have caused a spike in sexually transmitted diseases (STD) in the country.

 

The doctor, from Penang Health Department, said this included HIV cases.

She claimed that 80 per cent of the homosexual patients who sought treatments for STD in hospitals used dating apps for homosexuals.

[Guest no other topics inM'laysia]

Seems to me that they are only looking for reasons to ban LGBT dating "apps" in Malaysia.

 

Such a pity that I never had been on a same sex boarding school. I want to be child again and live in Malaysia. damn

[Guest no other topics inM'laysia]

Abstinence and guilt trips: Jakim’s rehab tools against LGBT in e-book

Published 5 days ago on 25 October 2018

By Shazwan Mustafa Kamal

 

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 25 — Minister in charge of Islamic affairs Datuk Seri Mujahid Yusof Rawa caused a stir on Tuesday after he told the Dewan Rakyat that the Islamic Development Department Malaysia (Jakim) published an e-book aimed at aiding homosexual Muslims to “return to the right path”.

The book titled Penghijrahan Diri Menuju Jalan Yang Benar — Strategi Untuk Mengatasi Masalah Homoseks (Malay for Self-Migration Towards the Right Path — A Strategy to Overcome the Problem of Homosexuality) is available online for free, and according to Mujahid, part and parcel of the government’s attempts to “rehabilitate” the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community.

 

Here are some things Malay Mail discovered about how Malaysia’s federal Islamic authority views sexual minorities, from the 146-paged e-book.

Advice from a ‘former gay’ Muslim

 

The first thing one realises after downloading the e-book is that it is neither a new application nor publication. The book was published way back in 2011 during the Barisan Nasional administration, while the app hosting it has been around since 2016.

Strangely enough, the e-book was presented as if it was written by an anonymous self-proclaimed ex-gay Muslim, which was then endorsed by Jakim.

The app itself has questionable privacy settings, such as needing access to your location in order to “optimise” its services.

 

Other features include audio downloads of religious sermons, contact details, feedback column as well as a breakdown of all nine chapters -- with titles such as “Start of the Journey”, “Realisation”, “Understanding the Challenges and Tests”, and “Controlling Your Lust”.

 

The e-book starts off with the unnamed author offering some introductory words of wisdom like “as you continue in your efforts to leave homosexual relationships, eventually it will leave you.”

Essentially, the e-book offers no such cure for being gay. Instead, it presents merely all-too familiar themes that religious authorities use in their daily engagement to with sexual minorities: abstinence, faith, prayer, and guilt.

The author blames human lust for homosexual acts, and claimed that he has learned to control his urges one day at a time.

 

The e-book also attempts to instill a degree of guilt in its would-be readers, by asking questions like “what will you achieve with homosexuality?” and how being gay will affect personal relationships with loved ones as well as a person’s reputation.

 

“Are days of pleasure on this Earth more important than temporary sexual release?

“You can only treat this disease by treating the root cause; fixing your personal life and controlling your urges,” read a particularly disparaging excerpt from one of the chapters.

 

It goes on to offer ways in which to “treat” the so-called “disease” via a three-pronged process: adhering to a strict regimen of keeping busy and fasting, spending more time with devout Muslims instead of gays, and spending much of the day (and night) thinking about the consequences of being gay.

 

“What tortures await you in the grave? Are you ready to die? Can you meet your Creator with the burden of the sins you have accumulated?” the author asked.

 

Interestingly enough, the e-book suggests that same-sex attraction does not necessarily mean sexual attraction, and that some men admire other men for their qualities but instead confuse that feelings as sexual attraction.

 

Getting a grip on masturbation

According to the e-book, masturbation is an “addiction faced by majority of the male populace of a certain age group”, before absurdly naming the sexual act as one of the reasons why for men “turn gay”.

“The danger of masturbating is that it can be done anywhere, therefore there is a risk for you to do it frequently,” another chapter on masturbation read.

 

The author claims that men who excessively masturbate will end up becoming bored of visualising naked women and will eventually turn to images and videos of men, and that unchecked lust will end in unnatural “wild sex”.

“Do not allow your sexual organs to be a tool to release forbidden sexual urges which will lead to self-destruction. It should only be used when you are married to find happiness and to love your wife and to procreate,” said the book.

It also urges male readers to avoid touching their genitals “without valid reason”, and that touching it should be confined for cleaning the organ, and not to arouse oneself towards erection.

The book warns that so-called ex-gays are in danger of walking away from the straight and narrow path if they ever reminisce on their past sins and “feel happy” about them, or if they even discuss them with those who had similarly committed them.

 

“In the end, abstinence is better than treatment,” according to another excerpt from the e-book.

 

Jakim adamant on ‘fixing’ LGBT

In 2017, Malay Mail had reported another similar attempt by Jakim suggesting that sexual orientation can be changed with extensive training, in a video explaining how Muslims can approach the LGBT issue.

In the video, Jakim had likened sexual orientation with horse-riding, claiming that when someone realises that he has “different” orientation from others and wishes to change that orientation, he should receive extensive training and guidance.

 

Jakim said to change one’s sexual orientation, one must intend to do so for God’s sake instead of being forced and repent one’s homosexuality, in addition to leaving activities that would lead to same-sex relations.

It also urged a repentant homosexual to fulfill his sexual desires through marriage, or subdue such desires by among others resorting to fasting.

 

Conversion therapy, which consists of psychological treatment or spiritual counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation from homosexual or bisexual to heterosexual, is widely seen by medical and scientific community as potentially harmful and a form of pseudoscience.

 

The practice is opposed and has been legally challenged, or even banned, in countries such as Australia, Brazil, Chile, China, Ecuador, Israel, Lebanon, Malta, South Africa, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States.

In 2014, several medical and gender experts questioned the “success” of Jakim’s spiritual rehabilitation camp for transgenders, insisting they need medical care to transition them into their affirmed gender identities rather than rehabilitation to return them to what some may consider “normal”.

[Guest no other topics inM'laysia]

Guys! now you know about masturbation!

 

Better stop or you end up with potential high risks...

[Guest no other topics inM'laysia]

here the link for those who want to see the nice pictures:

 

https://www.malaymail.com/s/1686311/abstinence-and-guilt-trips-jakims-rehab-tools-against-lgbt-in-e-book

[Guest no other topics]

31 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

Only 310,000 homosexuals?  Such an "estimate" is indeed too early.  

The average for any country is 4% and for Malaysia's population of 32 million, that will amount to 1.28 million.

 

 

You forgot the main message! it doubled in just 5 years...

It sounds like we are having 50% more drug cases in just 5 years....

And the Jakim boss is showing that he is doing something against vice in Malaysia.

[Steve5380]

10 hours ago, Guest no other topics said:

 

You forgot the main message! it doubled in just 5 years...

It sounds like we are having 50% more drug cases in just 5 years....

And the Jakim boss is showing that he is doing something against vice in Malaysia.

 

"Main message" or main deception?

How can he know that the population of homosexuals DOUBLED in 5 years?

If he doesn't even make a reasonable attempt at estimating this population!

With very little effort one can check the correct estimation of Nightingale,  4% of  32 million = 1.28 million

and this guy or organization Jakim was 1.28 / 0.31 =  413% wrong !!!

 

And you think that homosexuality == VICE?  What are you doing in this forum?

 

The world knows how corrupt the Malaysian government can be.

And this "Jakim" shows how ignorant or malevolently deceiving it can also be.

His basis is that homosexuality is an educated, acquired, voluntary trait

while all the serious evidence points to an inborn trait,  and the pressure of society

on homosexuals makes the exact estimation of their population practically impossible

 

Are you seriously believing in that bullsssht?

.

Edited October 30, 2018 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

14 hours ago, Guest no other topics inM'laysia said:

Guys! now you know about masturbation!

 

Better stop or you end up with potential high risks...

 

Oh,  you must be so ignorant or so stupid!

I have one of the lowest potentials for high risks,

and I masturbate to my libido's content 

[Guest no other topics]

 

Jakim trains teachers who work in mosques and Islamic institutions, prepares the weekly Friday sermons in Malaysia, ensures that food outlets serve halal dishes with its certification, and streamlines Islamic family laws among the 13 states and three federal territories, among other things.

Jakim and its unit, the Federal Territory Islamic Department (Jawi), were allocated RM1.03 billion (S$348 million) in funds by the Najib Razak administration in the 2018 Budget, with RM810.9 million alone for Jakim, an increase of 8.8 per cent from last year.

[Guest no other topics]

On 10/31/2018 at 5:26 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

"Main message" or main deception?

How can he know that the population of homosexuals DOUBLED in 5 years?

If he doesn't even make a reasonable attempt at estimating this population!

With very little effort one can check the correct estimation of Nightingale,  4% of  32 million = 1.28 million

and this guy or organization Jakim was 1.28 / 0.31 =  413% wrong !!!

 

And you think that homosexuality == VICE?  What are you doing in this forum?

 

The world knows how corrupt the Malaysian government can be.

And this "Jakim" shows how ignorant or malevolently deceiving it can also be.

His basis is that homosexuality is an educated, acquired, voluntary trait

while all the serious evidence points to an inborn trait,  and the pressure of society

on homosexuals makes the exact estimation of their population practically impossible

 

Are you seriously believing in that bullsssht?

.

 

 

homosexuality is a vice in Jakim's view.

For common straight conservative people it might be vice....

Vicious for those guys who have sex in public or showing off their erected dick at urinals...

Aren't gays pedophile predators anyway who turn small boys into gays....

(just pointing out  common straight views on gays).

 

I don't believe anything of this but the doubling of gays in Malaysia is extremely scaring.

It will cause an erosion of family values and trigger natural disasters .

Sorry I will come back to this issue later because I m now busy researching whether the Vesuv's volcanic eruption in  year 79 was actually caused by gay activity...

[Steve5380]

15 minutes ago, Guest no other topics said:

 

Jakim trains teachers who work in mosques and Islamic institutions, prepares the weekly Friday sermons in Malaysia, ensures that food outlets serve halal dishes with its certification, and streamlines Islamic family laws among the 13 states and three federal territories, among other things.

Jakim and its unit, the Federal Territory Islamic Department (Jawi), were allocated RM1.03 billion (S$348 million) in funds by the Najib Razak administration in the 2018 Budget, with RM810.9 million alone for Jakim, an increase of 8.8 per cent from last year.

 

The next paragraph in the article from which you quote, "Malaysia's most powerful Islamic body faces scrutiny"  says:

 

In November 2015, in response to public questions over its large budget, then Deputy Minister in charge of Islamic Affairs Asyraf Wajdi Dusuki highlighted another role played by Jakim - to protect the religion from "radical ideologies". He said: "The Islamic State (in Iraq and Syria), liberalism and pluralism such as the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (lifestyles) are the examples of radical ideologies which belittle the religion."

 

What irony!!!  How you protect a religion from "radical ideologies"  when the religion itself is a RADICAL IDEOLOGY?

This is as ridiculous as Donald Trump blaming the news media from creating "fake news".

.

Edited November 1, 2018 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

4 minutes ago, Guest no other topics said:

 

I don't believe anything of this but the doubling of gays in Malaysia is extremely scaring.

It will cause an erosion of family values and trigger natural disasters .

Sorry I will come back to this issue later because I m now busy researching whether the Vesuv's volcanic eruption in  year 79 was actually caused by gay activity...

 

YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS ????!!!!   OH MY GOD!!!!!

 

I doubt that any expert VOLCANOLOGIST trained in a reputable school of GEOLOGY thinks that volcanic eruptions are precipitated by gay activity!

 

Unless they are followers of evangelist Pat Robertson or maybe are influenced by the same ideologies you have!

 

But indeed gay activities lead to ERUPTIONS:   beautiful orgasms

[Guest Michael]

15 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

 

Statistics can lie.  Oops, I mean people can lie with statistics.  It's just like Najib's downfall in Malaysia and the rise of Xi Jinping in China - sudden triple, quadri-fold of corruption cases in reports.  Scary!  Hahaha.

Human sure can like especially in defending themselves. 

 

Politic is never clean , just like the sun will always rise in the EAST  ; Najib and Xi 

[Guest Michael]

Just now, Guest Michael said:

Human sure can lie especially in defending themselves. 

 

Politic is never clean , just like the sun will always rise in the EAST  ; Najib and Xi 

 

[Guest InBangkok]

I am always curious: where in the Qu’ran does it state that homosexuality is a sin as those Malaysian Islamic proponents continuously claim? The reference appears to be from the Sura dealing with the story also found in the Bible and the Torah about Sodom and Gomorrah. There is one interesting essay on the Internet about the fact that homosexuality as a lifestyle could never have been considered back in those days.

 

Quote

Yet another problem we are faced with concerning the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and its supposed condemnation of homosexuality is that 'homosexuality' was not understood to be a personal identity until only very recently. It is not accurate to say that 'homosexuals' were condemned in Sodom and Gomorrah because the concept of a 'homosexual' as being a distinct person with a same-sex sexuality did not come about until only very recently. The Qur'an could not condemn a class of people that were not even known to exist.

 

The specific reference to homosexuality,  as in purely men having occasional sex with other men, appears to have been promoted by followers of the Prophet rather than the Prophet himself. Besides, as is well known at that time from references in other religious texts, there was concern about the need for desert tribes to multiply and increase their offspring, if only to ensure the continuation of the tribe. Much reference can be found to “spilling seed on the ground” and how this is against nature - primarily because it takes away the possibility of procreation. The leap from that understanding to condemnation of an occasional homosexual act is appalling simple.

 

Interpretation of religious texts always has an element of ‘danger’ because it is absolutely impossible for us in 2018 to put ourselves into the minds of those who lived centuries and even millenia ago. Christianity is as problematic because much of what we read today in the New Testament was in fact decided by the delegates to the Council of Nicea which met 300 years after the death of Jesus. And it’s problematic as much for what the Council decided to leave out as to what it decided should be included. We can therefore assume that it omitted much, if not everything, that was written centuries earlier which did not fit in with what the Council members wanted the world in future to believe.

 

These are just some reasons why I find much of “so called” religious dogma extremely suspicious. 

[Phil]

8 hours ago, Guest no other topics said:

Could you reach a conclusion about the causes of the Vesuvio's eruption?

 

homosexuality is a vice in Jakim's view.

For common straight conservative people it might be vice....

Vicious for those guys who have sex in public or showing off their erected dick at urinals...

Aren't gays pedophile predators anyway who turn small boys into gays....

(just pointing out  common straight views on gays).

 

I don't believe anything of this but the doubling of gays in Malaysia is extremely scaring.

It will cause an erosion of family values and trigger natural disasters .

Sorry I will come back to this issue later because I m now busy researching whether the Vesuv's volcanic eruption in  year 79 was actually caused by gay activity...

 

[Guest no other topics]

12 hours ago, Guest InBangkok said:

I am always curious: where in the Qu’ran does it state that homosexuality is a sin as those Malaysian Islamic proponents continuously claim? The reference appears to be from the Sura dealing with the story also found in the Bible and the Torah about Sodom and Gomorrah. There is one interesting essay on the Internet about the fact that homosexuality as a lifestyle could never have been considered back in those days.

 

 

The specific reference to homosexuality,  as in purely men having occasional sex with other men, appears to have been promoted by followers of the Prophet rather than the Prophet himself. Besides, as is well known at that time from references in other religious texts, there was concern about the need for desert tribes to multiply and increase their offspring, if only to ensure the continuation of the tribe. Much reference can be found to “spilling seed on the ground” and how this is against nature - primarily because it takes away the possibility of procreation. The leap from that understanding to condemnation of an occasional homosexual act is appalling simple.

 

Interpretation of religious texts always has an element of ‘danger’ because it is absolutely impossible for us in 2018 to put ourselves into the minds of those who lived centuries and even millenia ago. Christianity is as problematic because much of what we read today in the New Testament was in fact decided by the delegates to the Council of Nicea which met 300 years after the death of Jesus. And it’s problematic as much for what the Council decided to leave out as to what it decided should be included. We can therefore assume that it omitted much, if not everything, that was written centuries earlier which did not fit in with what the Council members wanted the world in future to believe.

 

These are just some reasons why I find much of “so called” religious dogma extremely suspicious. 

 

I would like to put some things into the right context:

New testimony started to be written down 50 to 100 after Jesus death.

Quran was initially written down 11 years after Mohameds death. however strangely the Kalif who reigned 20 years later destroyed all written books and rewrote the Quran.

 

However it is right to say that for both religious books there was plenty room to falsify "statements".

Nobody will ever be able to verify whether the written down versions give a true basis of what both prophets had said or done.

[Steve5380]

10 hours ago, Phil said:

Could you reach a conclusion about the causes of the Vesuvio's eruption?

 

 

By now, "guest no other topic" should have had enough time to research the causes of Vesuvius eruption.

 

Aren't volcanic eruptions called "acts of God".

If so, the answer is very easy.  The cause was GOD.

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest no other topics said:

 

Nobody will ever be able to verify whether the written down versions give a true basis of what both prophets had said or done.

 

And nobody will ever be able to verify whether prophet Jesus Christ, a protagonist in in the Gospel writings, was a real person or not.

There is the Shroud of Turin and some "nails of Jesus' cross" around.  But... can one trust these?

[Guest Hyped religion]

Unlike Buddhism, Christianity is all hype no substance. The bubble is going to burst one day. It had already done in europe where it originated.

[Guest Hyped religion]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

And nobody will ever be able to verify whether prophet Jesus Christ, a protagonist in in the Gospel writings, was a real person or not.

There is the Shroud of Turin and some "nails of Jesus' cross" around.  But... can one trust these?

Shroud of Turin proven to be medieval fake.... Stop floating the lies.

[Steve5380]

1 minute ago, Guest Hyped religion said:

Shroud of Turin proven to be medieval fake.... Stop floating the lies.

 

Religious lies float themselves. I try to drown them. 

But some religious fanatics always hang onto these floats as if they were (spiritual) lifesavers.

[Steve5380]

7 minutes ago, Guest Hyped religion said:

Unlike Buddhism, Christianity is all hype no substance. The bubble is going to burst one day. It had already done in europe where it originated.

 

Christianity IS NOT all hype.  The philosophy of this figure Jesus in the Gospels is of high quality. 

True Christianity SHOULD BE the philosophy of Christ,

and not some collection of fairy tales.

[fab]

4 hours ago, Guest Hyped religion said:

Unlike Buddhism, Christianity is all hype no substance. The bubble is going to burst one day. It had already done in europe where it originated.

 

A little correction, Christianity originated from middle East.

 

Buddhism doesn't like to shaft it down followers throat.

 

It won't preach things such as believe all I said and/or worship no one but me etc.

[Guest Hyped lah]

7 hours ago, fab said:

 

A little correction, Christianity originated from middle East.

 

Buddhism doesn't like to shaft it down followers throat.

 

It won't preach things such as believe all I said and/or worship no one but me etc.

The hype started in Europe, by Roman Emperor Constantine and spreaded to new world and Asia.

 

Hype had long fizzled out in Europe but started in Asia in recent decades.

 

Christians take to the gospels like Supreme hypebeasts to the drop, fervant mass hysteria without discernment. How else would you explain Kong Hee and the $1000 Supreme brick?

[Phil]

13 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

By now, "guest no other topic" should have had enough time to research the causes of Vesuvius eruption.

 

Aren't volcanic eruptions called "acts of God".

If so, the answer is very easy.  The cause was GOD.

Certainly...

I was just liking "guest no other topic" 's humour.

[Guest Organ harvest]

Christianity hype in now Asia is like tulip mania in 17th century Netherlands. A bubble destined to burst, or fizzle out if you will, but not before bringing a bundle of fools down with it.

 

I see the beginning of the end of this bubble with the City Harvest hullabaloo.

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Phil said:

Certainly...

I was just liking "guest no other topic" 's humour.

 

We still cannot rule out that in his "acts of God",  God administers his acts according to the morality of his people down on earth.

So there still could be a link between eruptions and masturbation. If we just could ask God!  What you think?

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Guest Organ harvest said:

 

I see the beginning of the end of this bubble with the City Harvest hullabaloo.

 

Guest Organ harvest,  do you have any knowledge of nice Organs that can be harvested at City Harvest Church?

If they are nice enough, even I can become a follower.

[Guest Mozart]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Guest Organ harvest,  do you have any knowledge of nice Organs that can be harvested at City Harvest Church?

If they are nice enough, even I can become a follower.

Piped organs? What you gonna do with them? Bring a smile to people’s eyes by playing them? 

 

You wanna try the bagpipes instead? Blown throught the mouth... 

[Guest no other topics]

19 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

And nobody will ever be able to verify whether prophet Jesus Christ, a protagonist in in the Gospel writings, was a real person or not.

There is the Shroud of Turin and some "nails of Jesus' cross" around.  But... can one trust these?

 

However many other "governers" from different regions in the roman empire confirm the existence of a person like Jesus. Why should they have written about him in if he had not existed? and none of them were Christian .

[Guest no other topics]

I dislike this bashing of other religions . buddhism has many flaws too and we can't be sure either what can be attributed to Buddha himself...By the way with your (hyped religion's )comments you are not at all following the teachings of Bhuddha.

Plus: let's stop with these generalisations. There are black sheep in all religions.

[Guest no other topics]

The link between the vesuvian eruption was a logic consequence of this recent statement:

 

Malay Mail23 October 2018, 11:53 AM GMT+8

Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi says recent earthquake in Indonesia was caused by the LGBT activities in the country. —

 

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I m not sure what erupted around the volcano Vesuv but knowing that gay sex was nothing forbidden in the Roman empire...

[Steve5380]

24 minutes ago, Guest no other topics said:

I dislike this bashing of other religions . buddhism has many flaws too and we can't be sure either what can be attributed to Buddha himself...By the way with your (hyped religion's )comments you are not at all following the teachings of Bhuddha.

Plus: let's stop with these generalisations. There are black sheep in all religions.

 

If you dislike the bashing of religions in a gay forum,  be assured that much more is disliked about the bashing of LGTBs by religions.

While the former is a matter of conversation,  not very public, the latter is a very public and influential directive by a government that negatively impacts thousands of innocent people in Malaysia in this case,  and in other countries with similar bashing throughout the world.

 

And discussions about religion have little to do with the philosophy of the Buddha, which leaves out the elements of religion.

[Steve5380]

48 minutes ago, Guest Mozart said:

Piped organs? What you gonna do with them? Bring a smile to people’s eyes by playing them? 

 

You wanna try the bagpipes instead? Blown throught the mouth... 

 

By "organs" I wasn't referring to musical instruments but to components of the human anatomy.  

[Guest no other topics]

4 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

If you dislike the bashing of religions in a gay forum,  be assured that much more is disliked about the bashing of LGTBs by religions.

While the former is a matter of conversation,  not very public, the latter is a very public and influential directive by a government that negatively impacts thousands of innocent people in Malaysia in this case,  and in other countries with similar bashing throughout the world.

 

And discussions about religion have little to do with the philosophy of the Buddha, which leaves out the elements of religion.

 

I m quite sure that many innocent people in Malaysia had a big laugh while reading this news...

 

You should not confuse religion with governments or religious institutions with goverments unlike in many muslim countries that don't separate religion from governing...

 

Yes, there is hatred spread by religious leaders or institutions against LGBT. But my point is that this hatred does not derive from one singular religion only. But many guys here pretend that the problems have their origin only in one single religion. I m disputing this.

[G_M]

Kindly not discussed religion & politics here in the forum.

 

Get back to the topic.

[Phil]

10 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

We still cannot rule out that in his "acts of God",  God administers his acts according to the morality of his people down on earth.

So there still could be a link between eruptions and masturbation. If we just could ask God!  What you think?

After G_M's warning, I'll not discuss that anymore!

I'll just note that an eruption can be considered as a good metaphor for masturbation (mainly at the end...)

And back to the topic, I am happy to see that we can have this kind of chat on a Singaporean forum. Not so bad in terms of freedom of speech! This could not be possible in many countries...

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Phil said:

After G_M's warning, I'll not discuss that anymore!

I'll just note that an eruption can be considered as a good metaphor for masturbation (mainly at the end...)

And back to the topic, I am happy to see that we can have this kind of chat on a Singaporean forum. Not so bad in terms of freedom of speech! This could not be possible in many countries...

 

I won't dare to disregard G_M's warning either.

I simply venture the opinion that our individual eruptions at the end of masturbation added over the billions of men in this world

pale in comparison with the force of a single eruption of a volcano like Vesuvius. 

So we should not worry that our eruptions my affect the environment

[Guest InBangkok]

This topic started off with a specific issue about Malaysia. Mahatir and his predecessors continuously towed the party line against the LGBT community and waxed lyrical about not having western values imposed in their country. Mahatir has stated he will stay in office for just two years. His deputy is Anwar Ibrahim’s wife and his designated successor is once again Anwar himself. Given the tragedy of Anwar’s fall from grace during Mahatir’s first period in office on what are generally accepted as trumped up charges and again during the recent alleged monster crook’s administration, might we expect Anwar to attempt some form of easing of the country’s position on homosexuality? It will not be easy but if anyone can do it, perhaps he is the one.

[Guest Jakim joking]

59 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I won't dare to disregard G_M's warning either.

I simply venture the opinion that our individual eruptions at the end of masturbation added over the billions of men in this world

pale in comparison with the force of a single eruption of a volcano like Vesuvius. 

So we should not worry that our eruptions my affect the environment

Campi flegrei would be more fun. The entire European continent will be decimated like Pompeii and Herculaneum. I guess it would take the legalization of gay marriage in Singapore to achieve that. Butterfly effect, they say.