Would You Tell People You Are A Pure Bottom ?

[PaterTenebrarum]

Then it's your own hangup and yr own cross to bear. There's nothing else to say then.

Edited October 23, 2011 by PaterTenebrarum

[BearHuntingWolf]

But the only part that they could not understand is when someone butch, more masculine and older can really let someone screw him like a woman and he behaves like a woman in bed. Somehow it also reflects back on their own str8 masculinity. Most of them even despise women and treat them as no more than sex objects. They are also usually the ones to scold those sissies as chao ah gua and say kana fxxked upside down lah. To them, I'll never admit I am a total bottom because they still prefer to think that I am a top.

Btms get fxxked by tops, just like women gets fxxked like men. But what is so degrading about being fxxked? And what is so great about being a fxxker? (Yep tops and str8 men, I just called you all fxxkers.)

I think the bigger issue here is the human race's attitude towards sex on the whole. We love it and loathe it at the same time. Sex is one of the greatest pleasures available to us, yet we simply cannot accept having something so wonderful and delightful. So we scold, shame, punish and guilt ourselves into being ashamed of our bodies, its needs and functions. Observe children and you will see what I mean. They have no guilt nor shame about being naked, yet with the horrified mother rushing to cover them up, and the taciturn father looking away in disapproval, they soon learn not to be ok with their bodies. We learn shame from our parents.

The truth is, we simply do not know what to do with sex. In this regard, we are an immature, immature race. We attempt to corral and codify sex into tightly defined conditions (such as marriage, etc) and pretend to be hurt when this boundary is breached. We sob, scream and sue the person we swore to uphold and love in an attempt to destroy them, all because our feelings have been hurt, because we were taught to react that way. Honey, it's just an orgasm. Come here and I'll give you one too.

Far be it from me to tell others how to conduct their own affairs, but it never fails to bemuse me to see the lenghts, depths and heights we go to just to get our rocks off. The sneaking around, the closely ritualised dance, the great leaps in technology all driven by our penises, anuses, prostrates and clitorises (thanks, google, i was gonna go with clitori).

We insist, against the better dictates of science, that masturbation will cause blindness, insanity and hairy palms. We pass laws against gay sex because we can't have perfectly normal men admiring each other at the showers. We regulate prostitution because hey if people are gonna pay all that money for sex, we want a cut of the profits. We ban pxxnography and sex acts because we don't know how to answer the questions the children will inevitably ask. We make a big hoo ha about adultery because married people must only seek solace and pleasure in each other's arms, even if they don't know how to do it satisfyingly because they never had a chance to learn because nobody talks about sex!

We are guilty, guilty, guilty about sex. And so we act out.

We treat our spouses like objects or animals to be guarded and watched. We go after other people's partners because we've sold ourselves the story of the forbidden fruit. We repress, deny and shame today, and so we molest, rape and violate tomorrow.

We use, abuse and degrade each other. We call each other names. We turn ordinary words into hurtful labels. We disparage the very person we fxxk. But the uncle sucking you off in the filthy public toilet, the young man jerking you at the showers, the $200 whore eating out your ass, the straight, fatherly massue just now going down on you, the big beefy gym instructor riding your cock... they are giving us the gift of experiencing the most natural and wonderful feelings in the world. So, have some respect, please.

So, top, btm, flex. non-anal.. whatever.... as long as all parties involved click and have a good time, who the heck cares? Although, as a top, I am of course hooked on buttfxxking. Any nice bearcubs wanna come regularly put your legs up for me?

(Yep you got trolled. )

[evianguy]

As a top, I hate btms who try to pretend that they are not btm during foreplay. I find it a turnoff and if it continues for longer than my patience allows, I'll disengage and tell the guy its over.

[geronimo]

Issues, issues issues. Sometimes, you cant take things too seriously. When I was a young gayboy, I used to get pretty hissy when others use female pronouns to refer to me. But as I got older, I dont give a flying fxxk any more. I guess I got comfortable over time.

Now, I dont care and among close friends, we refer to some others and (even ourselves) as "girls" or "chaboh". For example, when a male gay friend is late, somebody will huffily say: "Where is she? That woman is always late", followed by lots of eye rolling and tittering from the others.

And yes, I do camp it up sometimes in the right company. But am I effeminate? People who know me know Im not genteel. Ive been in several fistifghts with straight people and will not hesitate to punch somebody in the face when Im really pissed off. I lumber when I walk and frens say Im a slob with a questionable dress sense- ie.not fashionable. I CAN really camp it up at the drop of a hat but when a straight guy calls me a faggot with the intent to rile me up, I will ask him to step outside to settle the matter.

Similarly, I know lotsa gay guys usually in their 30s and above who are bloody butch. But in the right company, they can be big girls. I guess we just dont care wot people think anymore.

Im gay- uber butch in the right company, campy in some but definitely NOT straight acting cos I cant be bothered acting or pretendng to be a straight guy. In society, imho, we tend behave differently in the company of different people. It's perfectly natural.

Funnily enough, from my personal interactions wih others, many guys who proudly proclaim they are (allegedly) straight acting or not camp at all are sometimes queeny pontianaks. Nothing wrong with being a queeny pontianak- just be yrself and not try TOO hard to butch it up.And if you are indeed as butch as what you say you are, then good for you! Gay men come in all shapes and sizes.

Anywho, being top or bottom has got nothing to do with being more or less effeminate. I know drag queens who are top and butch biker types who love a long hard dick up their poop chutes. When you are in bed, just go with the flow, you dont have to tell the other person shit.

However, imho, a str8 person will ask a gay guy who is the "man" and who is the "woman" because they dont know any better. They try to fit things into their straight perspectives so it your your duty then to explain to them that there is nobody playing the female role in the relationship, it's simply two GUYS together. And if they are bold enuff to try to explain who is the fxxker and who gets fxxked, tell them that it's none of their concern cos you don't discuss bedroom habits with others cos it's not polite. And leave it at that.

A classic post; it left me speechless.

Thought-provoking but not provocative, instructive without being insulting (contrast this with posts that are nothing more than personal attacks and counter-attacks, which show up the writers to be petty, immature, time-wasting and boring people lol).

Btw, I just can't get my head around the image of a campy swaggering slob in a bar challenging someone to a fight

I also noticed that Gachi Muchi is less brusque and hard-edged in his posts. He is more engaging, shows a humorous side and gives an entertaining read.

[Guest Guest]

A classic post; it left me speechless.

Thought-provoking but not provocative, instructive without being insulting (contrast this with posts that are nothing more than personal attacks and counter-attacks, which show up the writers to be petty, immature, time-wasting and boring people lol).

Btw, I just can't get my head around the image of a campy swaggering slob in a bar challenging someone to a fight

I also noticed that Gachi Muchi is less brusque and hard-edged in his posts. He is more engaging, shows a humorous side and gives an entertaining read.

Gachi Muchi has a sucessor in BW. I think BearHuntingWolf is younger & more garan than GM.

Imagine a bottom being 'deflowered' by both of them in the sauna, Wow! both can also go to Las Vegas AV Convention to sell themselves as future pxxn superstars. LOL

Does GM knows BHW personally? GM definitely likes BHW side profile.

Sooo exciting....

[Guest Guest]

Btms get fxxked by tops, just like women gets fxxked like men. But what is so degrading about being fxxked? And what is so great about being a fxxker? (Yep tops and str8 men, I just called you all fxxkers.)

I think the bigger issue here is the human race's attitude towards sex on the whole. We love it and loathe it at the same time. Sex is one of the greatest pleasures available to us, yet we simply cannot accept having something so wonderful and delightful. So we scold, shame, punish and guilt ourselves into being ashamed of our bodies, its needs and functions. Observe children and you will see what I mean. They have no guilt nor shame about being naked, yet with the horrified mother rushing to cover them up, and the taciturn father looking away in disapproval, they soon learn not to be ok with their bodies. We learn shame from our parents.

The truth is, we simply do not know what to do with sex. In this regard, we are an immature, immature race. We attempt to corral and codify sex into tightly defined conditions (such as marriage, etc) and pretend to be hurt when this boundary is breached. We sob, scream and sue the person we swore to uphold and love in an attempt to destroy them, all because our feelings have been hurt, because we were taught to react that way. Honey, it's just an orgasm. Come here and I'll give you one too.

Wait a minute there, it is not as simple as what society conditions us to be ashamed of sex. It is actually mostly our animal instincts that dictate our sexual behaviour.

In the natural law of the jungle, we will behave just like the social animals. The males will fight to gather and mate with as many females as possible. The unlucky males will be left without a mate or sex.

When human society evolve, we try to moderate this primitive sexual behaviour so that as a whole, the society will have less violence and with peace, we all will progress. But of course, this ideal cannot be fully achieved but it was still a giant step forward and humans became numerous to dominate the earth.

Again, our society still evolve and some old sexual rules become obsolete. But the ideal is still to achieve sexual peace for all. Now we can afford to allow homosexual behaviour because previously we don't understand this is part of nature. This will increase sexual peace with the estimated 5% of the human race.

Coming back to the the bottom dilemma. All human started life as female and slowly those males will evolve into males before being born. I believe that I was not fully evolved into a full male and was born like that with enough female still hidden inside me.

That's where the scale of gayness comes in. Nature is not binary but analog with continuum of possibilities from 0 to 10. Some are born totally sissy. Most are in-between. Only that most males are born straight and so we thought all males are straight. Now we know the world is not flat or binary. If nature is analog then we should accept that nature is analog for a reason and it is normal. Try tampering with nature will only bring imbalance and troubles.

No matter how we try to control sex, everybody knows the animal instincts are still latent inside us. Males will still try to mate with many females; females will look for strong males who can provide. If you are a gay top, you want to fxxk as many men as possible. If you are a bottom, you will unconsciously respond to a strong male.

For myself, the female part of me is so well hidden that even I don't know it is there. But when I see a strong male, my heart beat increases and I hated it. Yet in spite of myself, I will try to catch his attention. I know if I succeed, he will treat me as a female. The upper male part of me will feel unhappy but the lower female part of me will simply open my legs for him to claim me.

I accepted that this Jekyl and Hyde behaviour is a result of my homosexuality. But even if I dislike it, behaving this way is supposed to be natural for me. I cannot help it. The male part of me want to be aggressive and mate with bottoms but the female part of me is more exposed when a strong male provokes my strong female response in equal measures. When I get fxxked, the male part of me totally gone and my female part will totally take over and I behave no different from a female wanting the man to deposit his seeds inside me even though there is a condom. Of course I still look physically male and cannot act sissy even if I tried. But the way my body posture and expose to encourage him to explore and take charge excites him.

But for ordinary non-sexual situations, my female instincts lay dormant and my male ego will not tell or admit that I am a pure bottom.

[Guest Split personality]

U have split personality. Is better for u to see a doctor.

Being flex is fine...... Not the all other thoughts.

[Phil]

Btms get fxxked by tops, just like women gets fxxked like men. But what is so degrading about being fxxked? And what is so great about being a fxxker? (Yep tops and str8 men, I just called you all fxxkers.)

I think the bigger issue here is the human race's attitude towards sex on the whole. We love it and loathe it at the same time. Sex is one of the greatest pleasures available to us, yet we simply cannot accept having something so wonderful and delightful. So we scold, shame, punish and guilt ourselves into being ashamed of our bodies, its needs and functions. Observe children and you will see what I mean. They have no guilt nor shame about being naked, yet with the horrified mother rushing to cover them up, and the taciturn father looking away in disapproval, they soon learn not to be ok with their bodies. We learn shame from our parents.

The truth is, we simply do not know what to do with sex. In this regard, we are an immature, immature race. We attempt to corral and codify sex into tightly defined conditions (such as marriage, etc) and pretend to be hurt when this boundary is breached. We sob, scream and sue the person we swore to uphold and love in an attempt to destroy them, all because our feelings have been hurt, because we were taught to react that way. Honey, it's just an orgasm. Come here and I'll give you one too.

Far be it from me to tell others how to conduct their own affairs, but it never fails to bemuse me to see the lenghts, depths and heights we go to just to get our rocks off. The sneaking around, the closely ritualised dance, the great leaps in technology all driven by our penises, anuses, prostrates and clitorises (thanks, google, i was gonna go with clitori).

We insist, against the better dictates of science, that masturbation will cause blindness, insanity and hairy palms. We pass laws against gay sex because we can't have perfectly normal men admiring each other at the showers. We regulate prostitution because hey if people are gonna pay all that money for sex, we want a cut of the profits. We ban pxxnography and sex acts because we don't know how to answer the questions the children will inevitably ask. We make a big hoo ha about adultery because married people must only seek solace and pleasure in each other's arms, even if they don't know how to do it satisfyingly because they never had a chance to learn because nobody talks about sex!

We are guilty, guilty, guilty about sex. And so we act out.

We treat our spouses like objects or animals to be guarded and watched. We go after other people's partners because we've sold ourselves the story of the forbidden fruit. We repress, deny and shame today, and so we molest, rape and violate tomorrow.

We use, abuse and degrade each other. We call each other names. We turn ordinary words into hurtful labels. We disparage the very person we fxxk. But the uncle sucking you off in the filthy public toilet, the young man jerking you at the showers, the $200 whore eating out your ass, the straight, fatherly massue just now going down on you, the big beefy gym instructor riding your cock... they are giving us the gift of experiencing the most natural and wonderful feelings in the world. So, have some respect, please.

So, top, btm, flex. non-anal.. whatever.... as long as all parties involved click and have a good time, who the heck cares? Although, as a top, I am of course hooked on buttfxxking. Any nice bearcubs wanna come regularly put your legs up for me?

(Yep you got trolled. )

Totally agree.

I'm happy to live in a country where mentalities have evoluted a little bit since Middle Age.

But, as a top also, NO to your last question, sorry!

[PaterTenebrarum]

A classic post; it left me speechless.

Thought-provoking but not provocative, instructive without being insulting (contrast this with posts that are nothing more than personal attacks and counter-attacks, which show up the writers to be petty, immature, time-wasting and boring people lol).

Btw, I just can't get my head around the image of a campy swaggering slob in a bar challenging someone to a fight

I also noticed that Gachi Muchi is less brusque and hard-edged in his posts. He is more engaging, shows a humorous side and gives an entertaining read.

@geronimo: I'm glad that you like wot I had written. Heh!

[GachiMuchi]

Gachi Muchi has a sucessor in BW. I think BearHuntingWolf is younger & more garan than GM.

Imagine a bottom being 'deflowered' by both of them in the sauna, Wow! both can also go to Las Vegas AV Convention to sell themselves as future pxxn superstars. LOL

Does GM knows BHW personally? GM definitely likes BHW side profile.

Sooo exciting....

I guess u must be one of those who would love to be a pxxn star yourself right? Why don't you go to LA AV Convention and sell yourself as the future pxxn superstar and let us know how it goes later.

Of course GM knows BHW personally and yes, GM loves BHW side, top, btm profile.

Ya, it's exciting and I'm loving it but too bad, u can't join us.

[Guest Superstar Sun Ho]

I guess u must be one of those who would love to be a pxxn star yourself right? Why don't you go to LA AV Convention and sell yourself as the future pxxn superstar and let us know how it goes later.

Of course GM knows BHW personally and yes, GM loves BHW side, top, btm profile.

Ya, it's exciting and I'm loving it but too bad, u can't join us

Wa!! This is the hottest thing I'vs read

[BearHuntingWolf]

Gachi Muchi has a sucessor in BW. I think BearHuntingWolf is younger & more garan than GM. Imagine a bottom being 'deflowered' by both of them in the sauna, Wow! both can also go to Las Vegas AV Convention to sell themselves as future pxxn superstars. LOL Does GM knows BHW personally? GM definitely likes BHW side profile. Sooo exciting....

Oh I would never dream of succeeding GM. That'd be some pretty big underpants to fill. Also, GM is the most manly and garang top I know, the type that makes tops want to play for the opposite camp. There is no way I am more garang than him. Not a chance.

[BearHuntingWolf]

Totally agree. I'm happy to live in a country where mentalities have evoluted a little bit since Middle Age. But, as a top also, NO to your last question, sorry!

But are you a bearcub? If you are lets meet up anyway. I promise to respect your decision to remain a top and won't try my best to bend you to the other side.

[BearHuntingWolf]

I guess u must be one of those who would love to be a pxxn star yourself right? Why don't you go to LA AV Convention and sell yourself as the future pxxn superstar and let us know how it goes later. Of course GM knows BHW personally and yes, GM loves BHW side, top, btm profile. Ya, it's exciting and I'm loving it but too bad, u can't join us.

Hi Gachi

Long time no see. Do you remember how people used to say we look like a pair of brothers, older and younger? Anyway, I don't think America is our market. I think Japan is more like it. What do you think?

[GachiMuchi]

Hi Gachi

Long time no see. Do you remember how people used to say we look like a pair of brothers, older and younger? Anyway, I don't think America is our market. I think Japan is more like it. What do you think?

Well, if you want to break into the pxxn scene in Japan, I can make arrangement for that. I know ppl who knows ppl. Hehe..

I hv friends whom got famous doing Jap pxxn and they were even invited to perform in Taiwan's dance club as superstar dancers.

As for me, I think I will stick to making those top who wants to play for the other camp.

I agree that without bottoms, or top who aren't sure they are top or tops in denials, I think hardcore top like us can only play with our own dicks.

[BearHuntingWolf]

Wait a minute there, it is not as simple as what society conditions us to be ashamed of sex. It is actually mostly our animal instincts that dictate our sexual behaviour. In the natural law of the jungle, we will behave just like the social animals.....

You think that there is a "right" pairing, that men should only go with women. Even though you are gay, you insist that you are only being right (or natural) when you are a top, and you cannot accept being bottom, even though you want and enjoy it.

But I think you are mistaken. You have placed being male/female and top/btm on opposite ends and insist they are in opposition to each other. From this position, conflict arises. This is the reason for your struggle.

The first step to peace is acceptance, and ultimate peace is the ability to accept everything in the world. Everything. When you shift to this position, there are no more fights, no more enemies, no more pain. There is simply, This, and That, and also Neither This Nor That. There is simply All.

So stop wasting time with your pointless struggle. Everything in this world is only illusion anyway. Just enjoy yourself each and every moment, whether you are being top or bottom.

[Guest FB]

I'm a flex bottom.

There is something like that right? I know someone would say that I am just ashamed of admitting that I am 100% btm that's why i'm saying 'flex btm'. But I am really not 100% btm but i enjoy being fxxked. The fact is, I never top successfully before because my bf do not know how to enjoy my cock but i know I would enjoy fxxking. And I dont have the desire to go outside and top cuz i can live with just getting fxxked by the person i love and not fxxking. But i enjoy very very much when my manly bf moans like a btm when I finger him.

So does the term flex bottom exist? It it is, flex top exist too. Cuz my boy tops me but he has his softer side so he's not 100% top. Guess we are both flex. and the sex is greeeeaat.

[BearHuntingWolf]

Well, if you want to break into the pxxn scene in Japan, I can make arrangement for that. I know ppl who knows ppl. Hehe.. I hv friends whom got famous doing Jap pxxn and they were even invited to perform in Taiwan's dance club as superstar dancers. As for me, I think I will stick to making those top who wants to play for the other camp. I agree that without bottoms, or top who aren't sure they are top or tops in denials, I think hardcore top like us can only play with our own dicks.

Nah, I can't do pxxn as I don't have the goods. I will stick to watching. Yeah, I just realised that TW is like the next gay bear capital of Asia or something. Are you going for the pride parade?

Yeah, tops and bottoms should love each other, and not just in bed. Tops should encourage bottoms and bottoms should be open with their needs. There's nothing to be ashamed about.

[BearHuntingWolf]

Guess we are both flex. and the sex is greeeeaat.

Congratulations! To me, that's the point. Although I am top now, but when I am committed to a long term relationship in future, who says I won't be expanding my uhm, horizons? Anything could happen, and I am not gonna live my life confining myself to neat little boxes. The boxes will explode before long!

[Phil]

But are you a bearcub? If you are lets meet up anyway. I promise to respect your decision to remain a top and won't try my best to bend you to the other side.

Well, let's say just a bear...

And quite ok for a meeting if you come to Paris, but only for a drink or a lunch; I totally trust you and your promise, but I have had a wonderful bf for nearly 10 years now .

[Sticky&Sweet]

I'm btm. Even when straight friends ask, I tell them - I am bottom. For me, I don't have any sexual hangups or have anything to hide. My life's motto has always been: Words come easy when they're true.

[BearHuntingWolf]

Well, let's say just a bear... And quite ok for a meeting if you come to Paris, but only for a drink or a lunch; I totally trust you and your promise, but I have had a wonderful bf for nearly 10 years now .

Ah Paris. Ok I'll remember that if I ever make my way over.

[Phil]

Ah Paris. Ok I'll remember that if I ever make my way over.

You will be welcome!

I don't think I'll go back to Singapore in the next future...

[PaterTenebrarum]

For me, I often dont like labels. Top , bottom, they are just preferences, no? I will fxxk some guys and will happily get fxxked by some others. That being said, I havent had a dick up my arse for a long time - almost three years.

Edited October 25, 2011 by PaterTenebrarum

[btm_vivi]

This is a question for bottoms or more accurately pure bottom, Are you afraid or feel lose-face to let other gay man know that you are a pure bottom. That you enjoy cock fxxking you and you may never even have fxxked anyone. Is it something you will volunteer in a normal social conversation with gay man.

I think you can guess why I ask this question. :oops:

haha, i guess u wan A pure btm for yourself?

Anyway i feel proud to be Pure BTM and i like it that way. It my life, my way and my ass~ Mauck~