gstc82 Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I'm a Chinese guy, when I was young, I only went for other Chinese guys. As I grew up, I begin to see that there are hunky guys everywhere.I mean, seriously, who would you choose to sleep with: A fat chinese guy with a triple chin and a belly that flops over his pants or a muscular malay guy with rock hard abs and shapely pecs topped with a pair of perky nipples?It's all subjective from person to person. For me, muscles make me weak. U looking for sex or a life partner? If your hunk has a sucks attitude n that fat guy w a good attitude with a good.character, I would chose the fat guy.Sex last for an hour or less, there are 23 hrs more aft that. Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest twg Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 realistically speaking, malays are not on the favorable side unless they are the modern kind. It's highly likely that they are muslim, and an almost 100% possibility that they have distorted perceptions on gays. Whereas in other races, the worst you can get is being disowned, its more probable that you get killed. Friend with a malay bf had to break up because their dad threatened to chase him with a knife...really sad conservative views, even in singapore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leibniz Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 The irony is that while we're actively searching for love, we never find it but love finds us. Love makes us oblivious of many things and that includes race and what not gender. “Do the things at which you are great, not what you were never made for.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marriedmly Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 The irony is that while we're actively searching for love, we never find it but love finds us. Love makes us oblivious of many things and that includes race and what not gender.yesvery true most of the timeloves find us..like cupid's arrow.,, Tall & Mature. Bisexual & Married.Versatile & Hung. Experienced Malay.LINE ID - marriedmly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jason Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 The issue here is your significant other, not a sex partner. U looking for sex or a life partner? If your hunk has a sucks attitude n that fat guy w a good attitude with a good.character, I would chose the fat guy.Sex last for an hour or less, there are 23 hrs more aft that. I should've clarified myself. The first thing that usually attracts us to other guys is their looks (physique, face etc) hence my comparison between the chubby and the hunky guy, and from there, dating blossoms. And if we're lucky, even a relationship. Because let's face it, I dare say many gay guys won't even consider going on a date with a chub. realistically speaking, malays are not on the favorable side unless they are the modern kind. It's highly likely that they are muslim, and an almost 100% possibility that they have distorted perceptions on gays. Whereas in other races, the worst you can get is being disowned, its more probable that you get killed. Friend with a malay bf had to break up because their dad threatened to chase him with a knife...really sad conservative views, even in singapore. Yeah this depends from individual to individual. There are some conservative families and there are some really accepting ones... so accepting that they still love their son even if he transitions into a tranny. My life partner now is Chinese, but many years ago, I was with a Malay guy. You're right that he's the modern type. His dad has passed away so it's just him and his mum. While we don't tell her our relationship, we did stay over at his place. She was always happy when I'm around and always asks me how I'm doing at work. She once even asked that I take good care of her son if anything happens to her. I was touched. The r/s lasted only two years, and we broke up because things didn't work out (mostly because we both worked in advertising with long hours and sometimes come back grumpy and irritable, hence constant arguments). While we had our arguments, I did feel very loved not just by him but by his mum too, and I really hope they're doing well. I guess I'm lucky that I didn't get chased around with a parang! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leibniz Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 I should've clarified myself. The first thing that usually attracts us to other guys is their looks (physique, face etc) hence my comparison between the chubby and the hunky guy, and from there, dating blossoms. And if we're lucky, even a relationship. Because let's face it, I dare say many gay guys won't even consider going on a date with a chub. I just want to say not all people are shallow. Some people enjoy a good company and someone who's nice to talk with, intelligent or kind more than appearance. “Do the things at which you are great, not what you were never made for.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Looks like 90% replies fit gay stereotype -- only think about body (race) but the problem is more often in religion. Think beyond the next cum; what will happen if it is longer than a ONS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsd Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Many years ago, my family used to take my late Dutch husband to visit our relatives during CNY.The first time my uncle met him, he said to me in Hokkien: "...lao eh ah ay hah...? (Old one also can get along?)I found that quite surprising at that time that my uncle paid more attention to the age differences rather than race.My uncle and my dutchie were both in their early 80s at that time.These days I get turned on by fat, chubby, and smooth skin Chinese Lao ah peks more than angmos.I love it when they talk dirty to me in Hokkien, Teochew or Cantonese..... Edited August 31, 2014 by dsd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aireslee Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Race can be a problem if you don't have the respect and the tolerance. I married to a Brazilian, we are together for 19 years now. We had some issues all theses years but everything got solutions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manehiso Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 I'd say no, as long as both are willing to put in the effort to make the relationship work.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Hey guys! Just wanna know your opinions. Will you consider having an Indian guy as your boyfriend / dating him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate69 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Why not? If he has a pleasant personality, sincere character with a good heart, I would. You need to ask yourself why you might have second thoughts dating him, if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Why do most Indian, Malay and Filipino guys i meet prefer Chinese guys? Anybody knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 I am a Chinese, and I'd prefer Malay/Philipinos to any Chinese.Malays and Philipinos have better features than Chinese.Even Indians (even those foreign workers) have very good features, far more superior than Chinese. Local Chinese mostly have bad teeth. Many should get teeth straigthening done when they are younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipper Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 okay for me...it takes 2 hands to clap too... people of the other race also must be open to us by far, the best i come across are malaysians chinese. very down to earth and approachable cutejack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuraibtm Posted October 6, 2014 Report Share Posted October 6, 2014 Indians are super charming. Challenge is their cock size... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 I am a mixed malay and chinese and my love of my life is chinese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutejack Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 okay for me...it takes 2 hands to clap too... people of the other race also must be open to us by far, the best i come across are malaysians chinese. very down to earth and approachable very true...my ex was...too bad he is a bi.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marad44 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 I know of 2 Sri Lankan and 1 Pakistani Singaporeans with Chinese partners, happy and contended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamziz Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Why Preferring to Date One Race Over Another Makes You a Racist The existence of racism began with an idea. Someone somewhere thought it’d be nice to try and make himself important, which is something we all want. The easiest way to make one feel valuable is to create a false sense of entitlement. To fool the world into thinking you’re worth more than they are. It’s a sure way to gain self-esteem. Celebrities do it through artificial means, bosses do it through power, but one of the most common ways of creating social value is to insight racial segregation. Single gay guys who prefer one race to another aren’t “picky.” They’re racist. Here’s why: There’s a difference between a type and a generalization. Everyone has a type. Our types are the first ones we look at in the room. Some guys prefer blondes while others prefer redheads; some guys like to look at a man’s fashion sense, i.e. hippies, skaters, or professionals; and some guys prefer taller boys over shorter ones. These are all types. A generalization is different. It’s sweeping judgment on an entire group of people based on a fantasy or stereotype. Here’s an example. Let’s say you had a thing for redheads. Would you blow off a sexy brunette if he approached you one day? Something tells me you would at least give him the benefit of the doubt. Well, what if an equally as attractive man of another race did the same thing? Would you blow him off without even giving him a chance? The data says yes. Generalizations are incredibly damaging to your wellbeing. It stops you from looking at anything else but the stereotype you’ve created inside your head. It’s not the same thing as “preferring” blondes or redheads. It’s impossible to know for a fact that every single man of a certain race or ethnicity has no chance at finding love with you. If I asked you why you preferred not to date a certain race, the only answer you can possibly give me will be rooted with stereotypes, the same way you’re prejudiced if you think every redhead is an awful lover or all Asians are power bottoms. You might claim that you’ve had bad experiences in the past, but think about it. Was it because of their race that it didn’t work out? If your ex were a die-hard fan of Star Wars, would you eliminate anyone else who liked the film from your list of future candidates as well? It’s called narrow-mindedness and you are a fine example. It enables you and feeds you power while preventing any self-reflection on what led you to that perspective in the first place. There is no logic behind racial preferences. We learn from an early age how to generalize through cultural brainwashing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is yet another tool in the never-ending mission to keep ethnicities separated, an idea that defines oppression. Skin has become currency and our color has turned into value. This creates nothing but a racial superiority complex because when you assume someone’s way of life is less than yours (either on a socioeconomic or human scale), you’re no different than the politicians who bash homosexuals or parents who throw their gay teenagers on the street. You want to know the sad truth, though? It’s not your fault. Racism exists to make us feel better about ourselves. If you don’t like yourself, racism and prejudice can be a fabulous tool to help you get there. Money can be made from racism. It can be turned into propaganda to help politicians get elected, businesses create viral marketing campaigns, and reporters to find a story to help launch their career. It’s a subject that’s best left inside the pipeline because if it wasn’t there, what the hell else can we talk about? What we need is to expose ourselves to the damage of racial preferences in the gay community. Too many people fear discussion because it’s uncomfortable. The guys who claim not to like “Blacks” or “Asians” or “Hispanics” on Grindr are the same people to dismiss the subject when it arises while trying to defend their racist views, yet, they’ve also never dated a Black man or an Asian or a Hispanic in their lives. The truth is they’ve probably never been exposed to them at all, so how could their logic be anything else except a sweeping generalization? Racism can end if we want it to, but it probably never will. It’s already proven to us how lucrative it can be. It’s a crappy tradition passed on by ancestors of all ethnic backgrounds. Fantasies can end, but without the dream there is only reality. And reality is a scary place to exist in, especially when the message is one of equality. No one wants to be the same because our culture has trained us to be better than everyone else. Fantasyland is much more comfortable for most of us. History has proven that whenever there is a visible divide between class or race, uprisings are bound to happen. It’s animalistic, and it’s how most civilizations in human history have perished. It’s time we come to terms with the fact that we’re not as nice as we think we are. Preferring one race over another makes no logical sense. Any argument to the contrary is stemmed with bigotry, and, most of all, denial. Source: http://www.gayguys.com/2014/12/preferring-date-one-race-another-makes-racist/ bonekaz, bodybuildMLY, funnyboy and 1 other 4 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 善待对人。麻烦用英文来表达信息。不是每个人都会看的懂中文 。| “People need to learn the art of making an argument. Often there is no right or wrong. It's just your opinion vs someone else's opinion. How you deliver that opinion could make the difference between opening a mind, changing an opinion or shutting the door. Sometimes folk just don't know when they've "argued" enough. Learn when to shut up." ― J'son M. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 So I guess gays and straights are sexists because they prefer to date one sex rather than the other? I think "racism" is one of the most heavily abused accusation in the world now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wozzit Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Racism generally refers to a belief that one race is superior to other races. To suggest that its racist for one Singapore Chinese preferring to have sex with another Singapore Chinese rather than a Malay, Thai, Japanese or German is just rubbish. It has nothing to do with being racist! Turn the idea on its head n you have everyone wanting to have sex with everyone else, or everyone wanting to wear Mate swimming trunks rather than long boxers. Personal preference in this context is not racist! Woodlands86, wheeze, trojan_boi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheeze Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) I can be FRIENDS with people of various races. That doesn't mean I want to DATE them all and/or start an LTR with them. For some people, an intimate relationship involves another person who shares plenty of common interests, from song choice to language to religion to movies to culture (which can easily influence various other things like sense of humor; language nuances can be very easily lost in translation and do you really want to be in an LTR with someone who has to keep second-guessing what you are saying and vice versa?). That automatically rules out plenty of races, in fact possibly limiting your choice to your own race only. And what's wrong with that? Are we all sluts who have zero boundaries and date anyone and everyone (or worse, have sex with one and all)? You don't live forever; you can't possibly date every single race that comes along your way, so you make choices. Here's a question to ponder: if you are not handicapped in any way, would you want to be in a monogamous LTR with a deaf or mute person? Think of the communication issues, if you are not trained in sign language. It doesn't mean you think you are superior or "handicappist" if you answer no; you are still more than willing to be FRIENDS with them, just not exclusively in a relationship with them. If you answer yes, and I'm sure quite a few will, good on you. Doesn't mean everyone else has to be like that. Edited December 10, 2014 by wheeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JustinChinKy Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 it was probably bad judgement by the thread starter, to think that the gays in Singapore are ready to debate on the issue of race in our community in a rationale manner. iamziz and fishingfortuna 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamziz Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 it was probably bad judgement by the thread starter, to think that the gays in Singapore are ready to debate on the issue of race in our community in a rationale manner. Indeed. I will try again next time ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 善待对人。麻烦用英文来表达信息。不是每个人都会看的懂中文 。| “People need to learn the art of making an argument. Often there is no right or wrong. It's just your opinion vs someone else's opinion. How you deliver that opinion could make the difference between opening a mind, changing an opinion or shutting the door. Sometimes folk just don't know when they've "argued" enough. Learn when to shut up." ― J'son M. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheeze Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) it was probably bad judgement by the thread starter, to think that the gays in Singapore are ready to debate on the issue of race in our community in a rationale manner. Hardly isolated to Singapore. From which country was the original article written, after all? Also, hardly isolated to gays. Not sure why the article targets only gays specifically? Mixed marriages are still not exactly all that common, compared to same-race marriages. Edited December 10, 2014 by wheeze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cat Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Iamziz, I don't think it's fair to dismiss the above arguments on the basis that they appear illogical. I believe you've posted this in hope that we are able to discuss a topic, I suspect, is one that you hold close to you. Nonetheless, there are certain flaws that we can point out in the article that you have posted. Here’s an example. Let’s say you had a thing for redheads. Would you blow off a sexy brunette if he approached you one day? Something tells me you would at least give him the benefit of the doubt. Well, what if an equally as attractive man of another race did the same thing? Would you blow him off without even giving him a chance? The data says yes. 1. The author claims that there are data supporting the fact that we would 'blow him off without even giving him another chance'. Certainly, he could be right, but until he is able to substatiate it with this 'data' that he speak of, the argument holds no strength. If I asked you why you preferred not to date a certain race, the only answer you can possibly give me will be rooted with stereotypes, the same way you’re prejudiced if you think every redhead is an awful lover or all Asians are power bottoms. 2. Not necessary true. In fact, some of our users here have rightfully pointed out that cultural compatibility plays just a big a part, and skin colour is sometimes used as a proxy for estimating the cultural compatibility of an individual. Hence, the author's assertion in this case that our only reason for declining another race is easily disproven by one of our users. Preferring one race over another makes no logical sense. Any argument to the contrary is stemmed with bigotry, and, most of all, denial. 3. Now, I could go on, but the author seems to be the one being bigoted. While he asserts his stance, he refuse to hear any argument, logical as it may be, that challenges his stance. Several attempts at ad hominem - the quoted one being on of them. Or in another words, he will not be open to arguments to the contrary, even if they could have been logical, and instead resort to namecalling to justify his stance. Which by very definition, is a bigot. (If you read closely, you'd realise that the author is bashing people who disagree with him.) Wozzit, on the other hand, is closer to the mark in defining racism. Indeed, his definition of racism is rather close to the lexical definition. a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others. -dictionary.com On the other hand, the author's argument in drawing a logical link between preference and perceived superiority is weak at best. Iamziz, I thank you for sharing the article though. I believe you've wanted a discussion, and it is my opinion that the article, while holding a great deal of potential, degenerate into namecalling halfway. Nonetheless, Iamaziz, I'd love to hear any opinion you might have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLeviathan Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's perfectly fine for me to date someone of another race, but I don't agree that it is racism if I were not. I think it's a preference, no matter how much it can be affected by the varying physical characteristics of the other race. Preference and racism are two different things and we should never conflate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamziz Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Iamziz, I don't think it's fair to dismiss the above arguments on the basis that they appear illogical. Iamziz, I thank you for sharing the article though. I believe you've wanted a discussion, and it is my opinion that the article, while holding a great deal of potential, degenerate into namecalling halfway. Nonetheless, Iamaziz, I'd love to hear any opinion you might have. Nah, as I always say it I respect different opinions and we learn to agree and disagree, not dismissing them So often many mask racism they are practising openly with different names and labels to their liking be it in dealing with the straight or gay community or both. Just like they change the definition of friendship here in BW and online apps to what they want rather than what it is. Racism sucks big time. We can do our part how small it is to embrace each other as who we are. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 善待对人。麻烦用英文来表达信息。不是每个人都会看的懂中文 。| “People need to learn the art of making an argument. Often there is no right or wrong. It's just your opinion vs someone else's opinion. How you deliver that opinion could make the difference between opening a mind, changing an opinion or shutting the door. Sometimes folk just don't know when they've "argued" enough. Learn when to shut up." ― J'son M. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinChinKy Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 2. Not necessary true. In fact, some of our users here have rightfully pointed out that cultural compatibility plays just a big a part, and skin colour is sometimes used as a proxy for estimating the cultural compatibility of an individual. Hence, the author's assertion in this case that our only reason for declining another race is easily disproven by one of our users. Isnt what Wheeze said exactly what the article rebuts? that the reasoning of "cultural compatibility" is at most filled with stereotypes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Nah, as I always say it I respect different opinions and we learn to agree and disagree, not dismissing them So often many mask racism they are practising openly with different names and labels to their liking be it in dealing with the straight or gay community or both. Just like they change the definition of friendship here in BW and online apps to what they want rather than what it is. Racism sucks big time. We can do our part how small it is to embrace each other as who we are. And what do you think "racism" is to you?And to you, what is the difference between "racism", "preference", "stereotypes" and just plain "FACTS"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leibniz Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Me: I like twinkish blondes.Colin: Yo do?Me: Yeah, they're so cute. Don't you think so?Colin: No, I think you're cuter.Me: (blush) And consider this one. Me: I like white guys.Colin: Why?Me: I just like them. It's personal preference I think Colin: But can I still date you? I find you cute.Me: (blush) And this one. Me: I only date white guys.Colin: ... Colin turns out to be a nice and handsome Cuban who speaks fluent Spanish. Absent any other circumstances, in most cases it's unreasonable to refuse to date him. There are people who get turned only by people from a particular race but I believe it's not common. That's why racial preferences are considered racist even though it's not actually racist. It's hard to tell if the reason for one preferring a particular race is genuinely personal or masqueraded by stereotypes that one race is better than another. I'm not really bothered by it as I prefer not to judge people and having preferences known upfront saves time for both parties in dating. JustinChinKy 1 “Do the things at which you are great, not what you were never made for.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cat Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Justin, Isnt what Wheeze said exactly what the article rebuts? that the reasoning of "cultural compatibility" is at most filled with stereotypes? I assume you are referring to the line "If I asked you why you preferred not to date a certain race, the only answer you can possibly give me will be rooted with stereotypes, the same way you’re prejudiced if you think every redhead is an awful lover or all Asians are power bottoms." (Correct me if I'm wrong. ) What Wheeze meant (I believe) is whether the other party shares the same background that facilitates mutual understanding (e.g. common language and its nuances, cultural practises, symbolism, etc.) Nowhere in the article could I find any argument that have convince me that these are mere stereotypes and consequently should be dismissed. Now, what the author mentioned are "if you think every redhead is an awful lover or all Asians are power bottoms". Yes, these are stereotypes, but they do not necessarily serve the same purpose, that is in facilitating mutual understanding, and in addition do not share any similarity with concepts such as the one Wheeze has brought up. Hence, your assertion that the article rebuts what Wheeze has brought up confuses me. Again, appreciate your thought on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chn uncle Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 Everybody has a race preference, it is only a matter of how narrow or wide the preference. Some only one race and one look, others only face etcFor myself, I prefer Chinese and even amongst Chinese I prefer the fair Northern Chinese look. Yet I don't like fair angmo. So am I racist? Once I saw someone who looked like the younger version of Aaron Aziz. Wow, all preferences went out the window. I couldn't believe what he saw in an uncle like me LOL. I'm the one who should be so lucky.Yet I also know some gays who consider Aaron Aziz to be too plump. See, nobody can please everybody. But there are enough of those who like us or we like them in this world; by right we only need one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wozzit Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) From which country was the original article written, after all? Also, hardly isolated to gays. Not sure why the article targets only gays specifically? Mixed marriages are still not exactly all that common, compared to same-race marriages. Looking at the website, the writers name is Jerry Plaza who seems to be an American. Its specifically a gay site n so not surprising it only deals with gay issues. Perhaps interesting that one of the many articles he has written for the site is about circumcision. He states the USA is the only country in the world where the majority of baby boys r circumcised for non-religious reasons. He then talks about the discrimination that exists re those who are not circumcised - "Gay people across the community are guilty of it either which way. We know the discrimination is there, yet we don’t bother to acknowledge it. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen guys refusing to go on a second date with a man simply because of his foreskin" Does he regard racism as part of the subtext of this issue as well, I wonder? After all, surely the vast majority of males in the more than 70 million Americans who r of Asian, Hispanic n Latino descent r uncircumcised for traditional reasons. Liking cut or uncut is a personal preference. Liking fellow Chinese sexually or not is also a personal preference. Neither is racist. Edited December 10, 2014 by wozzit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotphoenix Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Looking at the website, the writers name is Jerry Plaza who seems to be an American. Its specifically a gay site n so not surprising it only deals with gay issues. Perhaps interesting that one of the many articles he has written for the site is about circumcision. He states the USA is the only country in the world where the majority of baby boys r circumcised for non-religious reasons. He then talks about the discrimination that exists re those who are not circumcised - Does he regard racism as part of the subtext of this issue as well, I wonder? After all, surely the vast majority of males in the more than 70 million Americans who r of Asian, Hispanic n Latino descent r uncircumcised for traditional reasons. Liking cut or uncut is a personal preference. Liking fellow Chinese sexually or not is also a personal preference. Neither is racist. Wozzit, if sexual inclination towards one group of people specifically is called "Preference", what would you call that, when someone socializes specifically with one group only, and makes it clear that he does not want another? Edited December 11, 2014 by hotphoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Glyph Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think we're all racists. No, it's nothing offensive. Pretty much like animals, cross-breeding rarely occurs naturally. It's just something that's drilled into us. And while we're at this, remember one of the laws of attraction - similarity. Of course, there are always exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wozzit, if sexual inclination towards one group of people specifically is called "Preference", what would you call the when someone socializes specifically with one group only, and makes it clear he does not want another? If that's the case, will that be known as "preference" where you are still opened to accepting others, or "ostracizing" where you don't accept others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slut Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think we're all racists. No, it's nothing offensive. Pretty much like animals, cross-breeding rarely occurs naturally. It's just something that's drilled into us. And while we're at this, remember one of the laws of attraction - similarity. Of course, there are always exceptions. omggg lawlssssssss this has got to be the most politically incorrect statement of the year. :clap: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotphoenix Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) I think we're all racists. No, it's nothing offensive. Pretty much like animals, cross-breeding rarely occurs naturally. It's just something that's drilled into us. And while we're at this, remember one of the laws of attraction - similarity. Of course, there are always exceptions. Of cos its nothing offensive to you, unless you have stepped outside of Singapore and lived in a place where you are the minority and ppl return you the favour and rub it in further by saying "sorry, its nothing offensive" And pardon me, I think if a person from China says that "its drilled into us", i can fairly understand, cos they live in a homogeneous society, and they never ever came in contact with people other than their own kind all throughout their formative years. But for a Singaporean to say such thing, I feel sad for you and for others like you. The old ways of familiarity are a thing of the past. Because ppl couldnt travel far, and couldnt interact much with ppl different from them. But in a globalized world where technology and advances are breaking down barriers, you would be better off in embracing ppl of all kinds early. 10 years ago, in a period where there were not so many foreigners, Singaporeans use the rationale of "oh we just prefer our own kind. Similarity attracts". But with so many Caucasians living in Singapore now, and knowing how so many chinese guys secretly adore white skin, the rationale that u used 10 years ago makes you look like a hypocrite. Edited December 11, 2014 by hotphoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Glyph Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Of cos its nothing offensive to you, unless you have stepped outside of Singapore and lived in a place where you are the minority and ppl return you the favour and rub it in further by saying "sorry, its nothing offensive" And pardon me, I think if a person from China says that "its drilled into us", i can fairly understand, cos they live in a homogeneous society, and they never ever came in contact with people other than their own kind all throughout their formative years. But for a Singaporean to say such thing, I feel sad for you and for others like you. The old ways of familiarity are a thing of the past. Because ppl couldnt travel far, and couldnt interact much with ppl different from them. But in a globalized world where technology and advances are breaking down barriers, you would be better off in embracing ppl of all kinds early. 10 years ago, in a period where there were not so many foreigners, Singaporeans use the rationale of "oh we just prefer our own kind. Similarity attracts". But with so many Caucasians living in Singapore now, and knowing how so many chinese guys secretly adore white skin, the rationale that u used 10 years ago makes you look like a hypocrite. Sorry, I think my initial post is a little misleading. (Argh, I should've just kept quiet) What I meant is that we're all, to a certain extent, racist on the inside. Doesn't matter if we're actively expressing it outward on others. Or would it be better if I said we're all a little xenophobic instead? And when I said "No, it's nothing offensive." - I meant to say that I'm not trying to accuse everyone of us as a racist by choice - but rather that it's ingrained generically. But all these are subject to changes - like you mentioned through interaction, which still may differ in extent from each individuals. I'm not implying that racism is okay, it obviously isn't. On a side note, you mentioned that 10 years ago was a period when there weren't so many foreigners - which you explicitly stated to be white. I think you forgot that 10 years ago, we already had yellow, light brown, dark brown and white. Yes, Eurasians have been around longer than you think. Yet, I still prefer only yellow to this date. Question. In the first place, are you local? omggg lawlssssssss this has got to be the most politically incorrect statement of the year. :clap: I suppose. I don't think of myself as a higher-being. Edited December 11, 2014 by Glyph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ressac Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) I tend to agree with wozzit in this argument, though iamziz usually gives a lot of room for thought in his posts.We all have stereotypes. Its just foolish to think anyone is exempted from being influenced by stereotpyes from all forms of media. But are we rational enough to change our stereotypes if we come across new info?A racist on the other hand, acts on these stereotypes. And that makes a major difference as stereotypes are usually negative in nature. Edited December 11, 2014 by ressac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEars Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 i don't think one truly understands the situation till they are on the receiving end. As much as one would like to get into another shoes to see the situation from his or her perspective, they would not truly understand the situation till they have received such things themselves. Preference is one thing. Racism is another. Maybe you could argue that racial stereotypes lead to the emergence of preference. Let me share an experience of a friend to shed some light on racism in the circle: My friend was telling me (well no price for guessing his race) that someone chatted him up on jack'd and that he was hot and cute. They chatted a bit, and when my friend asked him for his name, he revealed it. So happens that my friend didn't realize till that point that the person was malay. And at the moment that he did, he instantly blocked off the person. I was quite shocked when, so i asked him why he would do that. To that he said 'he's Malay! i don't want to date a Malaya guy. I only like Chinese guys. ewww.' Well lets me be honest. Being gay in singapore is beyond hard. Being a minority group in a minority group brings that to a whole different level. funnyboy, bodybuildMLY, ehh and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wozzit Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Wozzit, if sexual inclination towards one group of people specifically is called "Preference", what would you call that, when someone socializes specifically with one group only, and makes it clear that he does not want another? I personally know of few people who socialise exclusively within one ethnic grouping perhaps coz I have spent most of my career in Hong Kong where theres a lot of social intermingling. On the other hand I worked in Japan for a few years. Whilst I had several good Japanese friends and mixed with a lot of different people from several ethnic groups, that was partly due to my work. The vast majority of Japanese only mix with fellow Japanese - for the simple reason there r not many non-Japanese living in much of the country. Is that racist? In part, perhaps. But we must remember Japan was totally isolated from the rest of the world for 250 years. Even prior to the advent of the Shogun era, for many centuries there was virtually no intermingling with foreigners n no dilution of the Japanese gene pool. So there r unique cultural n historical traditions which make Japan a rather special case. Specifically, though, if a person in a multi-ethnic society deliberately chooses not to have any social contact with any other ethnic group, Id suspect at least a degree of racism. But I certainly do not think that is the same as preferring to have sex only with guys from your own ethnic group. Sex is a far more intimate and personal act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Maybe my preference of dark chocolate ice cream over white vanilla ice cream is also some sort of racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wozzit Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Maybe my preference of dark chocolate ice cream over white vanilla ice cream is also some sort of racism. Maybe vanilla choc-chip will help u overcome your racism LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shieldd Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 It is just a preference. But I believe some people should say it in a better way to avoid misunderstanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest goodboy Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 We cant really justify wether it is racism or not. Hmmm let's put it this way. There are people who are racist and that's why they will go only in this race, like i talked to a local guy who 'phew' in this kind of race because he dont like this people. But there are people who are not racist and just simply make it as prefference, like me i don't like to date XXXX race because i get more interested in this prefered race but it doeant mean im a racist cause all of my good friends are from different races . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEars Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 We cant really justify wether it is racism or not. Hmmm let's put it this way. There are people who are racist and that's why they will go only in this race, like i talked to a local guy who 'phew' in this kind of race because he dont like this people. But there are people who are not racist and just simply make it as prefference, like me i don't like to date XXXX race because i get more interested in this prefered race but it doeant mean im a racist cause all of my good friends are from different races . It's good to know that you have friends from different races. Can't say the same for most in the circle. I see so many large, single race cliques in this circle. And those people can't very receptive to people who are different from them. Made me realize how cliquie (lets assume that's a word, haha) the younger part of the circle is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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