Guest Repeal or not? Posted November 9, 2022 Posted November 9, 2022 377A wasn't repealed in 2007 because allegedly the society was too conservative and hence, not ready for it. In 2022 it's repealed because the society seemed to be more liberal and willing to accept. From 2007 to 2021, 276,800 residents died, most were old people. Can we say the deaths of 200K+ old people paved way for the repealing of 377A? Quote
Guest Repeal Posted November 9, 2022 Posted November 9, 2022 I think there should be a letter/petition to the WP to state our struggles so we can have a better chance of repealing. There is a deadline for the repeal, I think if it is not done within the timeline, the matter will be dismissed. Quote
Guest The true behind the scene Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 17 hours ago, Guest Repeal or not? said: Can we say the deaths of 200K+ old people paved way for the repealing of 377A? You will be surprised some younger folks can be very territied by LGBT and tend to be more vocal against us. Older folks are largely silent, played by the rule of live and let live attitude because, to them, LGBT is part and parcel of life they have seen. It is the PAP that played the "woke" into the elderly minds, and influenced them into thinking what the main stream media wanted them to think. Thereafter, THE G will claim that the large part of our society is "traditional", without saying it was the other religious group they feared the most, in case of losing more votes. Quote
singalion Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 Guess it is just politics... WP just intends to tease the PAP if they get the majority for a constitutional change and to abolish 377A. WP will be delightedly watching the brawls from the backbenches.... Quote
Guest Sigh Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, singalion said: Guess it is just politics... WP just intends to tease the PAP if they get the majority for a constitutional change and to abolish 377A. WP will be delightedly watching the brawls from the backbenches.... Only one Malay WP MP is vocal against LGBT, I hardly heard the rest said anything negative. Quote
Guest Repeal Posted November 10, 2022 Posted November 10, 2022 Most likely the pink votes will wipe a few seats away from the oppositions. Quote
Guest Peter Posted November 12, 2022 Posted November 12, 2022 377A wasn't repealed in 2007 because allegedly the society was too conservative and hence, not ready for it. In 2022 it's repealed because the society seemed to be more liberal and willing to accept. From 2007 to 2021, 276,800 residents died, most were old people. Can we say the deaths of 200K+ old people paved way for the repealing of 377A? Quote
Why? Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 I think head nodding in front of a camera is incredibly needless because it is so manufactured. I have always believed that the parliament and laws are separate from one another in order to offer checks and balances to safeguard human rights and our nation's resources. Any one-sided acts or decisions, particularly those made by a self-serving party, are bad for our society. Thus, This idea that the Parliament has the last say makes me uncomfortable because it could allow a certain religious group to gain access to top official positions of power and influence, thus threatening votes against potential good compassionate government. keyboard 1 Quote
Why? Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 On 11/11/2022 at 12:42 AM, Guest Repeal said: Most likely the pink votes will wipe a few seats away from the oppositions. Not exactly. LGBT primarily cares about policies affecting their bread and butter issues and will cast the votes along those issues. Repealing S377A is secondary and a bonus deal. I've never cast my votes based on whether S377A is repealed, but whether outsiders will steal my lunch. Instead of saying the pink votes matters, it is the "wearing white" votes that our politicians fear the most of losing. Quote
keyboard Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 Can we start a petition to enforce laws on other people which does not affect myself? Say, - bring back the law that says oral sex is illegal between heterosexuals - make abortion illegal so to increase the birth rates - make women without voting rights - no testing of embryos for genetic defects - no IVF - no medical treatment - closure of red-light districts, including special ktvs - massage parlors with non-same sex (male and female should not have skin contact of any kind) - reduce to marriage age to 16 or 14 - ban the sale of condoms, alcohol, cigarettes Will they support these or only cherry pick on what they want based on how it will not affect them. Quote
Guest Roy Tan Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 Suria's report in Malay. It's very long because the Malay-Muslim community is presumably very concerned about this issue. Quote
drektster Posted November 28, 2022 Posted November 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Since u r here said: this is disapting! https://mothership.sg/2022/11/wp-mps-on-377a/?utm_source=tele&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ms Dennis Tan, Gerald Giam & Faisal Manap reject repeal even sylvia abstained from voting only LO Pritam and Leon Perera supports both repeal & constitutional amendment this is a double edge sword. it is better to be careful. Quote
doncoin Posted November 29, 2022 Posted November 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Since u r here said: the WP has no official stand and the real meaning of the whip ie to whip only during voting but MP are still free to share and express! https://fb.watch/h6fIgjoIOi/ By having no official stand is already making a stand on where they stand. It is like a yes or no question. Do you support the repeal of Section 377a? Yes or no. Simple as that. By refusing to give an answer with no clear explanation behind the thought process tells you they didn't really put much thought into it. Quote Love.
And then Posted November 30, 2022 Posted November 30, 2022 9 hours ago, doncoin said: By having no official stand is already making a stand on where they stand. It is like a yes or no question. Do you support the repeal of Section 377a? Yes or no. Simple as that. By refusing to give an answer with no clear explanation behind the thought process tells you they didn't really put much thought into it. Quite frankly, am a bit disappointed with WP. This is concerning the simple rights of gay people, to get rid of this discriminatory antiquated law. Such as basic basic thing, and they are unable to support it??? Quote
keyboard Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 Maybe I'm dumb. But what have policies got to do with friends? Are their friends talking to them about 377A? Or are they having sex and the conversation goes like this, G: you know ah, we are breaking the law now you know P: ah, deeper, dont stop Politicians are just a vehicle to present views of their constituencies? Quote
robin Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 7:20 AM, doncoin said: By having no official stand is already making a stand on where they stand. It is like a yes or no question. Do you support the repeal of Section 377a? Yes or no. Simple as that. By refusing to give an answer with no clear explanation behind the thought process tells you they didn't really put much thought into it. I believe there is no single person in the party who is influential enough to make a final stand on behalf of the party & for those who oppose the decision to hold their peace. It shows a weakness in the leadership doncoin 1 Quote
robin Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) From the debate, we could tell that there are many MPs in the white party which are not in favour of the repeal but someone (or a few) has put the foot down to say that is the final stand of the party. I may be wrong but I am inclined to think that it is a farewell gift from the current leaders before they hand it over to the next generation of leadership. I am very thankful & feel it is extremely crucial guessing who is going to be the next law minister & how far he has gone to support kong hee. Edited December 5, 2022 by robin Quote
drektster Posted December 5, 2022 Posted December 5, 2022 just one year ago, they do not have a lot of LGBTQ friends or relatives. but since then they starts visiting suana and bath? Quote
Guest Guest Posted August 20, 2023 Posted August 20, 2023 Was watching the NDR 2023 just now and so vividly recalled the announcement of the repeal of 377A at last year’s NDR. It has been 1 year…. Quote
1983rophi Posted March 15 Posted March 15 today is March 16th. below is 6 URL Links, on the current landscape: (1) https://www.facebook.com/calvinchengnmp/posts/it-was-pride-day-yesterday-singapore-has-made-progress-by-repealing-377a-but-we-/1281354820015822 (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore (3) https://www.reddit.com/r/askSingapore/comments/1pxntzn/post377a_repeal_what_have_changedremained_the_same (4) https://www.straitstimes.com/videos/6316248855112 (5) https://dr.ntu.edu.sg/entities/publication/d734cfec-14c3-489c-b2e4-ae672470c5c8 Edited by moderator - consolidate all into 1 post. Quote Local Chinese, living in Central. Busker, normally singing outside 313 Somerset. Live with Parents.
kalel Posted March 16 Posted March 16 5 hours ago, 1983rophi said: (2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore ' 5 hours ago, 1983rophi said: (3) https://www.reddit.com/r/askSingapore/comments/1pxntzn/post377a_repeal_what_have_changedremained_the_same ' 5 hours ago, 1983rophi said: (4) https://www.straitstimes.com/videos/6316248855112 ' 5 hours ago, 1983rophi said: (5) https://dr.ntu.edu.sg/entities/publication/d734cfec-14c3-489c-b2e4-ae672470c5c8 ' @1983rophi you are always having multiple posts when you responded in any threads, why can't you put them in one single post so as not to hog the threads? Please stop this bad habit for your future postings, thank you! Quote
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