What's Happening?

[oralb]

initially i was pretty hyped up on the anniversary thingy, though i more or less expected not to have tons of replies like the cruising topics.

however recently when i read the replies in other postings, i see angst, intolerance and bickering...

the trend i am seeing is member vs guest, one would wrote something, shortly someone will reply in a nasty note and then a flame war starts.

come on guys, why be so hard on each other? we are already considered a "minority" in the eyes of society, some even view us as "outcast", instead of supporting one another, we are actually our worst enemy?

i always stress that this is the Internet, take it easy, if there are posting or topics that you dont like, skip to the next one. there are ample topics here in the forum that can satisfied everyone.

sigh...

[DragonRider]

initially i was pretty hyped up on the anniversary thingy, though i more or less expected not to have tons of replies like the cruising topics.

however recently when i read the replies in other postings, i see angst, intolerance and bickering...

the trend i am seeing is member vs guest, one would wrote something, shortly someone will reply in a nasty note and then a flame war starts.

come on guys, why be so hard on each other? we are already considered a "minority" in the eyes of society, some even view us as "outcast", instead of supporting one another, we are actually our worst enemy?

i always stress that this is the Internet, take it easy, if there are posting or topics that you dont like, skip to the next one. there are ample topics here in the forum that can satisfied everyone.

sigh...

Brother, that's why this world has never stopped fighting ever since homo sapiens appeared on it. Being disagreeable and lacking tolerance seem to be natural traits. Isn't it always "no, you are wrong"? "if you are not with me you are against me"? "I am cleverer than you"? "Your skin colour, religion, social class, educational level, etc, are wrong"?

You can say we are already the persecuted minority, but that wouldn't change anything. Human beings are generally pathetic. The pecking order has been deeply ingrained into our psyche through millenia and self-serving attitudes can never be eradicated. :yuk:

[oralb]

it is okay to be difference, it is alright to disagree, but instead of giving constructive comments, mostly i read are destructive bickerings.

to me there is always a more polite way of saying what you think...

[Guest Luvsilver]

it is okay to be difference, it is alright to disagree, but instead of giving constructive comments, mostly i read are destructive bickerings.

to me there is always a more polite way of saying what you think...

I just wonder whether youth/age is a major factor in the angst and intolerance behind the flames that sporadically erupt here.

In another local Forum where the members are mostly of the mature set, I find the atmosphere to be mostly positive with none of the spontaneous combustion that leads to subsequent catty exchanges.

A common weakness seen here is the inablitlity for some members to accept criticisms gracefully. What starts out as the exchange and contest of ideas soon degenerate into ad hominems and mindless name calling.

That said, I think the Moderator/s are doing a great job in this Forum. Rule with a light touch, talk softly but carry a big stick. :-)

Thanks guys.

Luvsilver

[Guest soul2soul]

as the song goes, everybody wants to rule the world. as long as we unconsciously allow our ego to be the king to our thinking mind, it's the immunition to break communication. it's a disorder towards destruction of compassion.

we often deny that we have huge ego. we make silent unknowing excuses conjuring from our successes, vis academic, profession, materials - and it becomes a mental unconscious state that we are always better than the next person. we learn about the psychological win-win situation, and swear that we live by it, but often there is not much compassion to exercise it daily.

we always believe we are good, kind, understanding and loving; that we respect, honour and accept but unfortunately, these are forgotten traits when our minds start to speak.

here in BW, and this is just an example of my observation, the subtle disagreement about registered and non registered members is apparent. here we are always coming back to this forum, for whatever personal reason, our honouring for the person who started this forum and his objective is not understood. and for that matter, not respected.

[sorry guys, this is only an example and not an intention to demean certain group of people ]

[Buaya]

I will break my self ban on posting for this topic...

I am greatly saddened by the sudden influx of unregistered guests who post just to spite the members and some unregistered guests here.

And sadly, please do not edit or delete this, the moderators are not helping the situation.

Full scale deleting of cetain messages (usually to counter the first attack) are not helpful. Especially if the first offending message was not removed. This leads to guests thinking that such postings are allowed and even encouraged.

The changing of the thread title to reflect a 'battle' between GachiMuchi and Guests is really a bad move. Guests now think that it is ok to spit and move on. If someone spat back, just spit more. They are even encouraged to join forces and spit together, trying to drown the poor fella being attacked in the first place.

This used to be a happy place. Why the sudden influx of uncontrolled behaviour? Why the sudden intorelance of other people's thoughts and language?

Another example is the Lor-Mee man posting. This fella will simple post non-contributing post scolding someone who uses more the word 'loh' in his posts. I would had removed his post instead of leaving it there, allowing possible further attacks...

Then there would be guys who attack Heartlanders, Thaiboyz... etc...

It is not a problem to allow unregistered guests to post, but that would require moderators to spend more time moderating the threads and the moderators would need to agree with BW, the MAN, what direction the forum is going and what posts are allowed and what are not. What posts would require deletion and what would not.

Please be mindful of what signals you are sending to guests who, afterall, can really post and hide...

I really hope things can change. I like this forum and am quite emotionally attached to it from the BB days. I don't like the way the forum is spinning downhill with all those unneccessary personal attacks. In fact my own self ban from posting hurts me quite a bit... But if nothing is done, then I don't see a point posting... Sooner or later, I will be under attack soon and... *sigh*...

Cheers

[oralb]

And sadly, please do not edit or delete this, the moderators are not helping the situation.

Not to worry, we accept criticism pretty well…

Registered member vs guest

There are many reasons why one doesn’t want to register as member, eg not to have caching in their PC, faster to read/ post especially using office PC.

I respect that.

Many guest are actually good writers, one need not see far to realize that, just look at soul2soul’s posting in this topic, well written with mature thinking.

By asking all to register, we might lose writers like him.

Moreover, registering still will not solve the current issues as well. Guys with aggressive nature will still register a few more ID and hurl abuses into the forum.

Hence I believe in self-censorship. Educates rather than eradicates.

Let me defended my decision to change the name of the topic for the Gachi vs guest saga. Like it or not, Gachi has attracted a fair share of “admirers”. Even if I totally locked the original topic, unless Gachi is totally blocked from replying, whichever topics Gachi are in, the same situation will arise. How many topics can I lock?

In addition, I believed the misunderstanding emanate from a difference in standpoint, eg Gachi and Luvsilver, by providing a sparring grounds, they can understand each other better.

If you believe in conspiracy theory, someone told me that this could the work of a group of people trying to take this site down, which will explain the sudden flux in abusive postings. By making this site clogged with destructive comments, genuine readers will be turned away.

I tried NOT to believe in that, as we are just a non-commercial forum group, there shouldn’t be conflicting with any other groups or web sites. This place, to us, is a sanctuary, a means of escaping from real world. Here we can boldly assume our PLU roles and not to be intimated by society.

I can offer a suggestion; ignore those folks who are here to create trouble. Those people fueled their satisfaction by seeing other’s agony and frustration on trying to refute or clarify their stands. That’s how they draw their amusement. In fact, internet has a term for them: The Griefer. Just remember, they exist to piss you off and delight in your anger and misery.

Lastly, let me end with “Don’t be so hard on one another”

[Guest Guest 7]

Let me defended my decision to change the name of the topic for the Gachi vs guest saga. Like it or not, Gachi has attracted a fair share of “admirers”. Even if I totally locked the original topic, unless Gachi is totally blocked from replying, whichever topics Gachi are in, the same situation will arise. How many topics can I lock?

In addition, I believed the misunderstanding emanate from a difference in standpoint, eg Gachi and Luvsilver, by providing a sparring grounds, they can understand each other better. 

I can offer a suggestion; ignore those folks who are here to create trouble. Those people fueled their satisfaction by seeing other’s agony and frustration on trying to refute or clarify their stands. That’s how they draw their amusement. In fact, internet has a term for them: The Griefer. Just remember, they exist to piss you off and delight in your anger and misery.

OralB,

By providing an avenue for the Gachi versus Guest/s thread to continue, you allowed ALL parties to rant and vent their spleen. I believe ALL the folks in that thread, including yours truly are now truly satsified and spent. The thread has petered out...and died on its own accord.

The term "Griefer" is new to me but his other name is the List-Troll. As you have described, he gets off by getting posters all bothered and angry. The best way to deal with these nutcases is to ignore them. The best defence against such characters is silence. Once you don't bite they get bored and will go and play elsewhere.

I truly appreciate the wisdom and sound judgement that you have displayed in moderating this Forum.

Thank you.

Guest 7

[kerbee10]

I agreed to the above all said....I have seen one thread in a local forum too...there is this guy who create alot crap in the opposition of the original poster end of the day...he still create more to offend more pple....

I hope there is some sort of filtration over guest and registered members....I notice some threads here..unregistered guest eventually comes into BW and uses different nick names...just act as a deco to create some unhappy views over the thread....

prehaps....only my suggestion....a filtration topic catagory where registered members corner vs non register corner...

So the registered corner are meant for the registered members and more threads can access..where the unregistered corner..anyone also can access.....

cheers

[Thick]

My take on the fiery nature of the boards recently is this:

Scenario 1

X throws out a subject A. Y offers his opinion on subject A, and disputes X’s view of A, and in the process throws out a few adjectives, a, b and c, about X because of X’s view of A (also known as character judgement).

Scenario 2

X throws out a subject A, Y offers his opinion on subject A. Z accuses Y of not being able to accept X’s view of subject A, and in the process throws out a few adjectives, a, b and c, about Y (also known as character judgement).

Scenario 3

X writes object B. Object B is an object that does not make a subjective statement about anything relating to anybody at all. Y offers a negative opinion of object B. Otherwise known as unhelpful comments. Z feels angry that object B is disrupted, and proceeds to start an argument with Y.

Scenario 4

Take any of the above scenarios. Now other members known as Guest 1, Guest 2, Guest 3 etc jumps in on the situation, and offers their attacks, often without any meaningful contribution to the logical progression of the argument. This is taken as a free for all, and develops into the thread, which is by now a BW classic, “What Used to Be…” ( I recommend mods put it into interesting topics thread)

In my mind, a more peaceful scenario as follows can be pursued as follows:

X offers subject A. Y offers an alternative opinion of A, but refrains from commenting about X. Z offers yet another alternative opinion of A, but refrains from character judgements of X and Y. Process can continue to accommodate more and more participants as conversation progresses.

X offers object B. Y has a negative opinion of object B, but surfs away from thread for others that interest him. Z loves object B and offers his compliments.

In above scenarios, discussions and comments are directed towards the topics, and judgement of persons are avoided. Topics can be disputed until cows come home, but nobody should be offended because it is merely a difference of views.

As for objects, mommy should have told you, if you have nothing good to say, don’t open your mouth.

[Guest Unregistered Guest]

This is specifically for Buaya only.

I am greatly saddened by the sudden influx of unregistered guests who post just to spite the members and some unregistered guests here.

Come on, please do not try and justify your anger by blaming unregistered guests. When you are attacked, you should response to the points raised by the guests rather than whining about about why unregistered guests are allowed to criticise members.

A good example is Lulu saying you are AKTT, and calling you his sister. You threw a bitch fit until he actually quoted you actually saying yourself "your dam is broken and people calling you a cheap slut". You cannot have your cake and eat it missy.

You cannot use this forum as your own personal outlet to describe yourself as a horny cheap slut trying to solicit for sex and then crying you have been attacked by unregistered guests who point out to you WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SAID AND DONE EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS HERE.

You cannot act like a slut, behave like a slut, talk like a slut here and then complain when somebody call you a slut. You yourself created created a persona that is cheeky, slutish and horny so don't act like a damn virgin when people point that out to you.

Then there would be guys who attack Heartlanders, Thaiboyz... etc...

Thaiboyz was criticised for saying Viagra has no side effects AFTER someone posted a link to an article warning about the various side effects viagra could have had on people using them. Some of them actually died.

Heartlander's stories are almost all the same and you can read hundreds of them at the Hong Lim Park forum. I am guessing some people are thinking he is trying to cut and paste his old stories here and they are not happy.

I will break my self ban on posting for this topic...

Trust me, some of us are not missing you here while you are on a self imposed exile. Take a longer holiday I say.

And lastly to quote from this forum guidelines on unregistered guests...

Historically since the day BW (the forum) was started, guests had been allowed to post. It is not about to change. To continue to participate happily in this forum, kindly treat the above as the unofficial policy of this forum regarding unregistered guests.

As of today, we are the only local gay leaning forum that allowed guests to post. We sincerely hope the continuation of this policy do not dissuade anyone from continuing to participate in the forum.

For those of you who have problems with us unregistered guests - you can always go to sgboy, fluffboy, fridae, Hong Lim park forum, and lastly, the forum where Buaya says he is a moderator. All these sites require you to be a member to post.

Buaya, why don't you tell us the name of the forum that you are moderating so that those who are fed-up with unregistered guests like us can go over there and sign up. Makes life easy for everyone isn't it?

[Guest simpleman]

I am an unregistered guest and I admit that I have been one of the more vocal ones. Guilty as charged. However, the urge to opine is inevitable when generalisation, gibberish and lop-sided views need to be 'balanced' and lampooned, if necessary. Thick - I don't mean to pick on you but you are a classic example. Your algebraic comments seem more like a mathematical puzzle then... well a comment. You say alot but you are still saying nothing. And when you have nothing to say, let alone a good one..well... I guess you have the answer. And I guess that's the answer to the algebra that you have put forward. In forums like this, you have to take it as good as you give. So let's not hide behind the excuse that we are a 'minority' already and be good little sisters and play nice. This is the real world. Tough.

[Thick]

Wanted to say something about intelligence, but since we're on a cordial note,

All I was simply trying to point out with my post is that oftentimes, our comments target the poster rather than what he's trying to say. If opinions were directed towards the topic instead of the person, there would be less emotions invoked. Don't throw in a comment about the other person's character when you want to rebutt his point. That would reduce unnecessary friction. Generalisations can be rebutted without saying something about the other person's character.

You call me a person who talks a lot without saying anything. That's judgemental already. Do I call you stupid for not even being able to figure out the simple algebraic representation of relationships that I've posted? I was tempted to. But we should be cordial. (Did someone just make a rule about banning algebraic postings in favour of only comments? Here is an example of a classic flame starter: to Simpleman: who died and made you moderator?)

And speaking of not opening your mouth if you have nothing good to say, perhaps you would like to revisit your posts and then look at my post history before you make such a comment.

[Thick]

For the ease of all readers, here's a compilation of Simpleman's postings:

Posted: May 09, 2006 01:21 pm

*touche*

Posted: May 10, 2006 09:48 pm

isn't 'yawn' a great expression!?.. just one simple word and it evoke so much angst from some thick headed guy who apparently has nothing better to do other then to speculate the author's lifestyle. how about getting a life too? stop being such a dick, i mean thick head and let people express what they want to. if it's off, there a bw moderator. and the last time i checked, no one died and ask you to assume the role.

Posted: May 10, 2006 10:07 pm

temper, temper... isn't that a devilishly thick dick or what? anyway, have one hell of a nice life.

Posted: April 27, 2006 09:57 pm

Yawn..... These stories are becoming tiresome. Hey, how about taking a sabbatical....

Posted: May 04, 2006 09:52 pm

As much as there are fans of Heartlanders' stories, there are detractors too. Apparently my criticism has done little to discourage Heartlander from spawning more tales. So stop acting like a spoilt wanker who needs tales like this to give yourself a 'treat'.

Please do let me know if I missed any. [i'm sorry. It seems that searching for simpleman on the search page only takes us to any mention of simpleman within posts, not the poster. In this case, we may have left out many postings by simpleman where he was simply not mentioned in the posting text.] To take a look at my postings, just click on "Thick".

[clementi]

Then there would be guys who attack Heartlanders, Thaiboyz... etc...

Buaya, please do NOT defend the Thaiboyz, he was the WORST example in this forum, these are the typical adverse comments by Thaiboyz which NOT acceptable in this forum, good that he has disappeared permanently:

Posted on 3 Jan 2006 at 04.04 PM by Thaiboyz, encourage to use poppers

…… next time try to relax him first or use poppers during the process. It helps.

Posted on 31 Jan 2006 at 09.11 AM by Thaiboyz, said that Viagra no side effect

Viagra does not have side effects. One might get headache after taking it, but it will go off after awhile. But it can be addictive…………..

Posted on 2 Feb 2006, 04:27 PM by Thaiboyz, who look down on uncles…………………… I always come across old uncles…with big rounded tummies..exhibited themselves in changing rooms. Once i accidentally stared at one of them, and he tot i was interested and started to play himself for me.....i almost puke and ran off as fast as my feet could carry me...

Thank you

[shaberu]

First of all, why do we bother to read or even write to this forum? I believe we have something to look for or something we experienced and wanted to share. What is the intension to read and write here? Nobody can tell and sometimes not even you! It just come from our heart and mind. As for tiffing, it is just something one cannot let go. It has nothing to do with right or wrong. Besides no one can say what and who is right or wrong. It is the experience that make us decide it. It is right and wrong because we have gone through that!

If YOU have gone thru' it, let others go thru'. This make a peacefull world!

[Buaya]

*sigh*...

Clementi, I am not defending anyone, not even myself... I am just saying that there are some guests who will not stop at anything rather than satisfying his desire to pull someone down...

And who ever's the person who say he dun miss me... Nah, whatever, I dun miss myself too... As if I bother... I post to express myself not to gather fans... Eh, why do I bother...

Oralb, I understand the policy of allowing guests to post and I respect that. But it really is true that USUALLY, registered members are able to control themselves better. And in such open forums, the moderators have to work very hard to make sure those fellas never have a chance...

And I truely understand your reasons and good intentions for allowing the thread to evolve to GM vs Guests but, although they die down on GM, they will probably try to find another one later, such as, yours truely (if I continue to post, it seems... ). And perhaps they will even return to attack GM on another thread. I still believe that the moderators have to nip the problem in the bud... see them start to be funny, delete them... sooner or later, they will understand that such behaviour is not tolerated in BW.

Or set a policy and be strict on it...

Anyway, I better stop my postings and take a longer holiday! I dun want people to start tracking me down and drowning me in their spit!

Good luck, BW moderators!

[Thick]

But it really is true that USUALLY, registered members are able to control themselves better. And in such open forums, the moderators have to work very hard to make sure those fellas never have a chance...

This statistic is reflected rather clearly on thread "What Used to Be". Isn't it rather curious that every single poster who sparred with Gachi Muchi was a non-registered guest? Without exception?

[kerbee10]

To OralB,

I believe its a hard time for you to upkeep this forum.....but I think many people here are still understandable and more toralence about the topics discussed.

Just to share something;

It is a happy heart that breaks, a sad one thats heal.

Make and break, break and make.

Your "happiness" may not be true happiness after all

but neither is your sadness true.

What do you make of it all then?

Break free from "Making and Breaking"

That is true happiness, real peace.

Personally, I find the idea about unregistered guest being able to make a post,since it has started off as such, then we will follow as such. Be it anyone, registered or unregistered, if one individual wants to debate on the thread, the end result you would see the same thing. I believe why many people come back to BW, there are many reasons and differ from individual.

As a member or guest, we should show respect to this forum objective and the moderators for their hard work in maintaining such forum. There are topics discuessed which might trigger individual s opinion, its good to share views, but being harsh or picker over someone's posting is bad, the thread might not interest one individual, others might benefit and gain some information somewhere.

Just be cool, if we do not like the topics, just skip it, if you have something to voice up, voice it in a respectful way. We are the ingredients of this forum, if there is no guest or members here, then lets not talk about BW anymore.

Cheers...... :thumb:

[Guest Guest]

Thank you Clementi for doing a "Lulu" on Thaiboyz. :clap:

At one stage a couple of months back, this place was filled almost exclusively with unrestricted raunchy sex postings. These postings were made by people who migrated here from Sgboy and Fluffboy after the government clampdown on them. Nowadays, Sgboy does not allowed postings that are too sexually explicit. Prior to the govt. clampdown, everything and anything goes. Same as fluffboy.

These two sites require posters to be members. So what? In its heydays, sgboy forum were filled with all sorts of vicious personal attacks against ech other, their description of their mothers' genitals are often included. After the govt.'s warnings, Sgboy cleaned up their forum and it became tame and stale.

Then some of them discovered our forum. No restrictions, guests can post...etc. They talked about sex (sometimes unprotected orgies), poppers (deleted mostly by the mods), drug use (deleted by the mods), recreational use of viagra and cialis (where to get them without a prescriptions). Look back to the beginning of September last year when they started coming in and see the type of dicussions they initated.

OralB ask what's happening here. To most, on the surface it is just the recent personal attacks (mostly justified in my opinion), that is bothering them. To me, the attacks, are a maifestation of the pent up feelings of people who are fed-up with all these new unrestricted sexed-up postings and how this forum had become. This place actually became a sex chatroom and people who are more comfortable with the old BW are revolting (while vomitting) to get it back.

The last couple of weeks, I have noticed the number of extreme sex postings had gone down. There were a lot more postings on the gay life that we live - relationships problems, meanings of life, travel queries and advices, and many other social issues that affects us. I see all this as efforts by the mainstream readers to talk about things and issues that affects the readers than simply unrestricted raunchy sex.

I am personally concern about the discussions on exhibtionist sex and cruising spots. I have lived through the times when Singapore had no gay bars/clubs and no saunas AND no internet. We were forced to cruise the swimmimg pools, parks and toilets to meet people. Traps were set against us by the police, PLUs were charged in courts and jailed, their photos published in the papers.

Why do we want to go down that path again? For the thrill of it? Are our memories so short we forgot about the week long negative expose Shin Min wrote about us? Do we want to read in the papers about a raid at Fort Road where the police found a naked blindfold man tied star stretched to two trees and three other men sexually arousing him? Do we really want to read that? If not, then we ought to speak up more when people write about such things.

What's happening OralB asked? I say not enough attention and critiques given to irrresponsible postings. We gotta speak up to criticise irresponsible behaviour and postings. In fact, I encourage those of you who are as outrage as me to speak up even more. I would like to see more main stream readers expressing alarm and speak up more against such postings.

Sure, everyone here has a right to post about their desire to participate in, and encouraging irresponsible and dangerous behaviour; we also reserve the right to shout them down.

[Guest Enlightened]

Saw a Vesak Day Special variety programme last night at Channel U.

There are lots of Buddhist wisdom and teachings which I thought would be applicable to this topic of discussion.

Lesson 1 - Have A Big Heart (kuang[1] rong[2])

When someone is angry, it is just him who is angry. I have a choice not to be affected. I can stay happy.

Lesson 2 - Respect your elders (jin[4] lao[3] zun[1] xian[2])

A lady was offered food from a stranger when she had no money and she was extremely grateful. And yet, she never thought of being grateful to her parents who have worked hard to offer food to her throughout her life.

We must respect our elders for without them, there will never be us today.

There were many more... if you there is a repeat, you should catch it. There are also lots of eye candy in the show too.... he he...

HAPPY VESAK DAY!!

[Guest Guest]

This statistic is reflected rather clearly on thread "What Used to Be". Isn't it rather curious that every single poster who sparred with Gachi Muchi was a non-registered guest? Without exception?

Maybe that's why the descriptions of the thread says "guests vs Gachi Muchci"?

DUH!!

[Guest soul2soul]

personally, i feel this is the best constructive criticism thread. even 'attacks' are done cordially with style and guarded with impressive level of matured intelligence. generally, it is a voice to make this forum a better place; highlighting human's flaws in the light to improve and beneficial to the mass.

however, one particular issue that keeps surfacing is about unregistered guest. yes, i am still unregistered and i am glad that BW is maintaining this freedom. there are always reason why one chooses not to registered. personally in my case, it is about insecurity of a techno-peasant who is hiding his sexuality from his family and colleagues. surely, my disadvantage is the inability to be personal with the people here - yes, there were times that i wish i could PM someone to get to know him better. alas, it is always the question of privacy that wins the day.

admittedly, allowing guests to post has its downfall too. members will generally feel that an outsider has broken into their privacy and safety net. however, has one ponder that nasty posts can be posted by a registered member who decided not to log-in? afterall, there are about 700 registered members and i hardly see a large fraction of them posting here.

humans are interesting species and we often feel to stay the-goodie-guy will pay off. afterall, we can do 100 things right but it is always the 1 thing wrong that people will forever remember. in that manifesto, a registered member may appear as guest and contribute to oralb's question 'what's happening?' - "..however recently when i read the replies in other postings, i se angst, intolerance and bickering...". it is behind that mask, that he can still be anonymous and stay the-goodie-guy.

guess the one thing that we take for granted is our ignorance that we think we can stay anonymous forever. internet has evolved and there is always a way to check on one's identity.

have a good long weekend, guys!

[Guest Lulu]

personally in my case, it is about insecurity of a techno-peasant who is hiding his sexuality from his family and colleagues. surely, my disadvantage is the inability to be personal with the people here - yes, there were times that i wish i could PM someone to get to know him better. alas, it is always the question of privacy that wins the day.

Must be the chemicals from the cheap aromatic oils I had burning in my room all night but I get a sudden surge of blood into my groins when I read your post Soul2soul.

Sweep me off my feet (I weigh 28 kg) you techno-peasant and I promise you not a king's ransom, not a queen's inheritance but a three and a half rooms HDB flat where you can shelter from your family and colleagues and also get the best sex you will ever get in your life (trust me on this).

Offer ends when you turn into a techno-geek.

[Guest Guest]

(I weigh 28 kg)

Sorry, that should read 78 kg. My labrador weighs 28 kg.

[Guest Guest_Referee]

Wanted to say something about intelligence, but since we're on a cordial note,

All I was simply trying to point out with my post is that oftentimes, our comments target the poster rather than what he's trying to say. If opinions were directed towards the topic instead of the person, there would be less emotions invoked. Don't throw in a comment about the other person's character when you want to rebutt his point. That would reduce unnecessary friction. Generalisations can be rebutted without saying something about the other person's character.

Dear THICK,

"Wanted to say something about intelligence, but since we're on a cordial note,"

This is a backhanded, sarcastic salvo and the insult has already been made.

"All I was simply trying to point out with my post is that oftentimes, our comments target the poster rather than what he's trying to say."

Your sarcastic salvo above is a prime example of attacking the person.

"If opinions were directed towards the topic instead of the person, there would be less emotions invoked."

I agree. So why don't you practise what you preach?

Referee

[Thick]

Yes, I see certain posts I made have already been deleted. Since I'm not allowed by the moderators to defend my points, I shall take a backseat.

Guest referee: Simpleman has already made a character judgement. He's also reduced my posting without reading it at all. In my own subtle, 'underhanded' way, I told him I detected it.

******Moderator's Comment********

Your post was deleted because you made OUTRAGEOUS claims and try and distort someone's perfectly good arguments into your own twisted rubbish. Allowing that is to invite more inflamatory rebuttal to your twisted arguments. Stick to the points raised, and stop complaining about unregistered guests. Policy guidelines in this forum had been set on this issue.

[Guest Guest _Referee]

Yes, I see certain posts I made have already been deleted. Since I'm not allowed by the moderators to defend my points, I shall take a backseat.

Guest referee: Simpleman has already made a character judgement. He's also reduced my posting without reading it at all. In my own subtle, 'underhanded' way, I told him I detected it.

Dear THICK,

Tit for tat, doesn't solve anything.

The route to a more pleasant Forum does not lie in any magical formula. It's not about registered or unregistered guests nor an utopian approach of "how-to" replies.

Ulitmately it's up to me or you to make this Forum the way we want it to be. BE the *change* you want to see. I am paraphrasing Mahatma Gandhi.

All the best.

Referee

[Guest soul2soul]

personally in my case, it is about insecurity of a techno-peasant who is hiding his sexuality from his family and colleagues. surely, my disadvantage is the inability to be personal with the people here - yes, there were times that i wish i could PM someone to get to know him better. alas, it is always the question of privacy that wins the day.

Must be the chemicals from the cheap aromatic oils I had burning in my room all night but I get a sudden surge of blood into my groins when I read your post Soul2soul.

Sweep me off my feet (I weigh 28 kg) you techno-peasant and I promise you not a king's ransom, not a queen's inheritance but a three and a half rooms HDB flat where you can shelter from your family and colleagues and also get the best sex you will ever get in your life (trust me on this).

Offer ends when you turn into a techno-geek.

this is a good vesak laughter!

haha, and is this an invitation for a harmful 'trust me on this' shelter? thing is, i am afraid of huge big dogs, and you own a labrador leh! and 28 kg!

oh wait, i do know that hdb dwellers are not allowed to keep such a breed! hmm, did you mistype '... but a three and half rooms HDB flat ...' and not three and half storey mansion?

oh, can i bring my shihtzu along? hehehe

and heng ah, have no intention to become techno-geek! -- so, do i get 'the best sex you will ever get in your life' till the day i die?

[GachiMuchi]

Come to think of it, I don't have problem with unregistered guest. I think it is more a problem for those who don't have a regular nick. I don't have a problem with e.g. Luvsilver. even though he is unregistered becasue I know am having an exchange with him, but I just won't know one Guest from another. If those guest have a reguular nick, we would know which guest posted which statement, etc.

Of course, there will be those crafty, trouble makers who are really out to flame others, whom don't take responsibilities for what they have written and keep changing nicks, but I know that most poster are responsible person and will not resort to that, but of course, I might be wrong.

[blowingwind]

Let's consider this :-

there are 5 boards that require registration to post and against only this one that don't.

Now if those who insist that guests must register before posting then, there will be 6 against none. We have more of the similar things and lose the one and only unique thing. What's the point ? Just to conform and follow the crowd? Just so we all have an easier time moderating?

Those who insist on registration have plenty of other choices, why must you infringe on the freedom of those others who have one and only one choice?

I have no problem with visitors migrating to other boards, we still stay as one Big family. Hopefully you will do more like starting another unique board or doing more like Yawning Bread or even coming right out and lead the crowd. So the bigger picture is to get us all involved from small ways leading to even bigger things.

Be Happy

[Guest Guest 8]

Yes, I see certain posts I made have already been deleted. Since I'm not allowed by the moderators to defend my points, I shall take a backseat.

try a valid defence. dat usually work.

making "OUTRAGEOUS" claims not happenin.

Guest 8

[sblue]

Whether a person wants to be registered or not is up to the individual. Some may feel that an opinion should not be of less worth even when it's by an unregistered nick. Others may feel that unregistered nicks are not courageous enough to stand by what they say by being identified.

Whether you choose to read anyone's opinion is up to you. You have the option of skipping over comments you think are not constructive be it from a registered nick or an unregistered one. The main thing is, nobody can force you to read their comments.

Please and I say again, please do not turn this another online war like what we had in the other thread. From what I see where this might be going, it's not healthy. Yes, I understand I could just skip over the comments made but it would really be good if everyone takes a step back, take a few deep breadths and not be angry at what you read.

Because this is not face-to-face, you might not know what the person's intent is. Words come out wrong or get misconstrued and then next thing you know, it's a free for all.

[oralb]

guys...

this IS the internet

you dont have to believe in everything inside

you dont have to get work up on things that you dont like

you dont have to be hard on anyone just coz you can

[oralb]

- yes, there were times that i wish i could PM someone to get to know him better. alas, it is always the question of privacy that wins the day.

Soul

technically you can

but that depends on whether memebers placed enough info in their profile and only 1 way (guest to member)

if you click on my nick on the left hand side, you will be brought to my profile where i have listed down my yahoo identity, guess you know how to continue from here...

hmm.... is this an invitation? will oralb gets his soul back? stay tuned for the next exciting episode of ...

[oralb]

guys, dont spam me hor

no i dont need Viagra

and i dont believe that poping a pill per day will enlarge my tool to MONSTEREOUS size

and i am not that navie to part with my hard earned money to claim a lottery winnings that i didnt participate or to help a 3rd world country minister to stash his plundering proceeds

[Thick]

Epitaph

Sorry, having my post deleted by the moderators means it's the end of the road for Thick.

I will still be hanging around lurking and contributing the rare occasional few cents, but as Guest. (The irony of it all).

All the best.

******Moderator's Comment********

Your post was deleted because you made OUTRAGEOUS claims and try and distort someone's perfectly good arguments into your own twisted rubbish. Allowing that is to invite more inflamatory rebuttal to your twisted arguments.

Next time stick to the points raised, and stop complaining about unregistered guests. Policy guidelines in this forum had been set on this issue.

[Guest Guest 8]

Epitaph

Sorry, having my post deleted by the moderators means it's the end of the road for Thick.

I will still be hanging around lurking and contributing the rare occasional few cents, but as Guest. (The irony of it all).

All the best.

******Moderator's Comment********

Your post was deleted because you made OUTRAGEOUS claims and try and distort someone's perfectly good arguments into your own twisted rubbish. Allowing that is to invite more inflamatory rebuttal to your twisted arguments.

Next time stick to the points raised, and stop complaining about unregistered guests. Policy guidelines in this forum had been set on this issue.

wat happen to ur view guests got no balls? coming back as eunak? if u post nonsense and make twisted arguments it doesn't matter which identitty u assume. n u can be still be recognise!

THICK and his type will never be missed ...

sayonara

or u can be stick around and make factual, rational and logical posts for a change. or is that beyond u?

Guest 8

[Guest simpleman]

Epitaph II

Dear Thick,

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust,

easy come, easy go,

get thee behind me.

Rest In Peace