Govt's LGBT survey & related news (compiled)

[Guest Kenny Shoo]

Guys, a friend of mine just sent me this survey by the government to get our voices heard. I think it's a chance for us to do something for our community, so please, fill it up. 

 

Govt is seeking feedback on LGBT matters. Do give your feedback here :

 

https://form.gov.sg/#!/6237d723221936001270c207

 

In response to questions raised during the Ministry of Home Affairs’ Committee of Supply debate, Minister for Law and Home Affairs K Shanmugam said that “the government is considering the ‘best way forward’ on Section 377A, which criminalises gay sex, and in doing so will respect different viewpoint and consider them carefully.”

We wish to hear your thoughts about the LGBT+ community in Singapore. This survey is open to everyone regardless of your sexual orientation and/or gender identity. Your feedback will be shared with relevant agencies and could be used within the Government for policy updates and changes.

[auscent]

Done.

[Saggiboy]

Yes pls do, and repeal 377a

[TopChinese]

Done. Please share with your friends and straight allies. The gahmen need to hear from all of us!

 

 

[Guest Failure]

I filled it all up, but could not submit.   Error message. The form has already  been taken down. 

[yogateacher]

Done!

[Guest Ignore trolls]

On 3/23/2022 at 10:32 AM, Guest Failure said:

I filled it all up, but could not submit.   Error message. The form has already  been taken down. 

 

fake news 

[Saggiboy]

Done. 

Please fill in form and repeal 377A

[Guest Jaba]

Done, the form will be up till 12pm, pls hurry and fill up!

[Guest Guest]

taken down already.

 

 

REACH - LGBTQ Survey" is not available.

Thank you for your interest in REACH's LGBT+ e-Listening Point. We have closed this eLP as there has been an overwhelming response that far exceeds the usual number of responses received in our eLP.

[Guest Failure]

On 3/23/2022 at 10:44 AM, Guest Ignore trolls said:

 

fake news 

True, is the screen shot

[sum1outhere_03]

Probably reached quota.

 

"REACH - LGBTQ Survey" is not available.

Thank you for your interest in REACH's LGBT+ e-Listening Point. We have closed this eLP as there has been an overwhelming response that far exceeds the usual number of responses received in our eLP.

[Guest Lousy website]

I filled it up last night but couldn't submit too. Spent an hour recounting discrimination and writing them down. But error message stating recaptcha did not capture something and needs to be refreshed. I refreshed the page but all my responses gone! Wakao! Ended up i gave up!

[Guest guest]

Most probably flooded by astroturfers mobilized by evangelical Christian churches.

[singalion]

Since when are such surveys having such short participation times?

 

Sounds strange...

 

I think any poll on this subject  makes parliament look dumb. 

 

Do they need unrepresentative public polls to make up their mind? 

 

In most countries any such public polls won't be done due to the sensitivity of the topic...

 

 

[Guest Citizen]

On 3/23/2022 at 1:01 PM, singalion said:

Since when are such surveys having such short participation times?

 

Sounds strange...

 

I think any poll on this subject  makes parliament look dumb. 

 

Do they need unrepresentative public polls to make up their mind? 

 

In most countries any such public polls won't be done due to the sensitivity of the topic...

 

 

It's a very poorly thought out and lame poll, it's almost an insult. I wonder if more people agree there is discrimination, will they use that to justify removing 377a because it encourages discrimination or keeping it because it shows many people in our society dislike LGBT people. The results could be used both ways.

[sgmaven]

Singapore wants to be "seen" as "progressive" and modern, so as not to incur the ire of many NGOs and advocacy groups, who continue to point to the existence of 377A. So, their ingenious idea to be seen to be doing something as a government, is to "conduct a survey". If the majority of respondents are against the repeal of 377A, then they can claim that it is a democratic country, and the majority of people here want the law to stay.

 

The accuracy of the sampling of the feedback/survey is dubious. It is not a public referendum. Like any "limited surveys", results can easily be skewed by vocal groups mobilising to make their voice heard.

[Guest Citizen]

On 3/23/2022 at 1:17 PM, sgmaven said:

Singapore wants to be "seen" as "progressive" and modern, so as not to incur the ire of many NGOs and advocacy groups, who continue to point to the existence of 377A. So, their ingenious idea to be seen to be doing something as a government, is to "conduct a survey". If the majority of respondents are against the repeal of 377A, then they can claim that it is a democratic country, and the majority of people here want the law to stay.

 

The accuracy of the sampling of the feedback/survey is dubious. It is not a public referendum. Like any "limited surveys", results can easily be skewed by vocal groups mobilising to make their voice heard.

They might have informed the religious groups beforehand and got them to have their mobilised group responses ready long before the survey was opened up online, and once the survey was opened up they were able to submit simultaneously immediately, jamming up the website, effectively blocking out real people like me from submitting my responses.

[sgmaven]

On 3/23/2022 at 1:30 PM, Guest Citizen said:

They might have informed the religious groups beforehand and got them to have their mobilised group responses ready long before the survey was opened up online, and once the survey was opened up they were able to submit simultaneously immediately, jamming up the website, effectively blocking out real people like me from submitting my responses.

Don't forget that many mini-stars and em-pees are from those very groups, so they would be privvy to the information on the survey.

[Guest For real?]

On 3/23/2022 at 12:31 PM, sum1outhere_03 said:

Probably reached quota.

 

"REACH - LGBTQ Survey" is not available.

Thank you for your interest in REACH's LGBT+ e-Listening Point. We have closed this eLP as there has been an overwhelming response that far exceeds the usual number of responses received in our eLP.

Pinkdot website was quite late in publicising that survey website. I saw the survey thread here hours before Pinkdot posted it. I guess the survey quota was already reached by religious groups' mobilised AstroTurf groups who were tipped off way beforehand before gay people in Singapore even began to know about the existence of this poll.

 

 

[Guest It happens]

On 3/23/2022 at 12:55 PM, Guest guest said:

Most probably flooded by astroturfers mobilized by evangelical Christian churches.

I don't discount it.  Fundamentalist are experts in hyjacking secular site. 

[Guest Citizen]

Very obvious it's a fake survey can? It is a conspiracy between religious groups and the government to create the false impression that discrimination doesn't exist in Singapore and Singaporeans think 377A must be retained for moral and social reasons. 

[sum1outhere_03]

That was why I despise going to church. I hope this dun churn to be off topic. 

Don't discount it may not be originated by government. Don't think it's a fake survey though. It's using form.sg

[Saggiboy]

The survey is real!!!!!!! People really shd learn to be smart and verify first, before shooting their smelly loud mouths and spread fake info with their own personal thinking which are wrong. 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/reach-the-government-feedback-unit-gathers-views-on-lgbt-issues-and-section-377a

 

Survey closed at 12pm today 23 March. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Saggiboy

[smallboix]

On 3/23/2022 at 2:23 PM, Saggiboy said:

The survey is real!!!!!!! People really shd learn to be smart and verify first, before shooting their smelly loud mouths and spread fake info with their own personal thinking which are wrong. 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/reach-the-government-feedback-unit-gathers-views-on-lgbt-issues-and-section-377a

 

Survey closed at 12pm today 23 March. 

Hope the 30,000 responses were in support of the LGBT+ community. I would imagine it taking just 1 person from those mega church to spread the link within their church and the results will be "Singaporeans are not ready to accept LGBT+ community". 

[Saggiboy]

On 3/23/2022 at 2:33 PM, smallboix said:

Hope the 30,000 responses were in support of the LGBT+ community. I would imagine it taking just 1 person from those mega church to spread the link within their church and the results will be "Singaporeans are not ready to accept LGBT+ community". 

Let's see what the result is, and see how it wil be used. 

Let's not jumped into conclusion, and sow unnecessary hatred, doubts or accusations against any groups. 

 

Maybe this is just a dipstick. Maybe more will be done. Learn to observe first, before making any speculation. 

Edited March 23, 2022 by Saggiboy

[Zealouslogue]

On 3/23/2022 at 10:32 AM, Guest Failure said:

I filled it all up, but could not submit.   Error message. The form has already  been taken down. 

Same. 😭

[smallboix]

On 3/23/2022 at 2:40 PM, Saggiboy said:

Let's see what the result is, and see how it wil be used. 

Let's not jumped into conclusion, and sow unnecessary hatred, doubts or accusations against any groups. 

 

Maybe this is just a dipstick. Maybe more will be done. Learn to observe first, before making any speculation. 

1. I, too, am in support to see what the results is, hence my use of the word "hope".

2. Jumping to conclusion would be me saying: "There is no need to look at the results. Those 30,000 responses will all be negative responses from the mega churches". 

3. It is a fact that the National Council of Churches of Singapore does not condone homosexual practices and a simple google search would point to instances/cases of mega churches' anti-gay incidents. I am merely stating a fact that such mega churches with their 5digit worshippers number could have easily filled up the 30,000 responses. 

I'm sure you replied with good intentions, seeing how you're giving advices. But perhaps, you should not jump to conclusion after a quick glance of others' comments. Learn to read, understand, don't think too deeply and end up speculating others' intentions. Cheers!

[Guest curious]

I missed the survey, what are the questions being asked?

[Guest Citizen]

On 3/23/2022 at 2:18 PM, sum1outhere_03 said:

That was why I despise going to church. I hope this dun churn to be off topic. 

Don't discount it may not be originated by government. Don't think it's a fake survey though. It's using form.sg

I didn't mean fake fake, but fake legit or fair! It is very highly likely rigged and manipulated by surveyors, like someone suggested religious groups were likely informed beforehand to give them ample time to mobilise their resources, followers and AstroTurf groups to skew the survey results to their favor!

[sum1outhere_03]

Oh, I got it. Like painting a delusional scenario to the public.

[Guest Citizen]

On 3/23/2022 at 5:15 PM, sum1outhere_03 said:

Oh, I got it. Like painting a delusional scenario to the public.

Yes! Political manipulation of public survey methodology or results - can be by either religious groups and/or government.

 

The survey is privately commissioned as evident from the lack of .gov in url, eventhough got .sg which means based in Singapore. Lots of churches also have websites based in Singapore.

[Guest Insight]

On 3/23/2022 at 2:23 PM, Saggiboy said:

The survey is real!!!!!!! People really shd learn to be smart and verify first, before shooting their smelly loud mouths and spread fake info with their own personal thinking which are wrong. 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/reach-the-government-feedback-unit-gathers-views-on-lgbt-issues-and-section-377a

 

Survey closed at 12pm today 23 March. 

Survey is real, no question about it.  But data can be fixed to align with main stream narrative, making repealing of S377A unjustified.  Since there is no  political incentive to repeal, this method of sweeping real issues under the carpet is common for a highly insecured regime.    If the government is willing to repeal, then there is no need for a staged survey like this.   You guys  will find out soon.

[sgmaven]

On 3/23/2022 at 2:23 PM, Saggiboy said:

The survey is real!!!!!!! People really shd learn to be smart and verify first, before shooting their smelly loud mouths and spread fake info with their own personal thinking which are wrong.

I don't think people doubted the authenticity of the survey. However, many would doubt the actual value of this survey. Considering the relatively small sample of replies they were trying to get, and how polarising the issue at hand is, I think most would realise that either side could easily mobilise enough people (whoever got the news first), to skew the results from anything really meaningful.

[Guest Roy Tan]

https://thehomeground.asia/destinations/singapore/government-survey-on-lgbtq-community-unavailable-just-after-a-day/

• Survey by Government feedback unit REACH to find out the public’s views on the LGBTQ+ community was pulled after a day.
• The site claims an “overwhelming response that far exceeds the usual number of responses received”.
• TheHomeGround Asia speaks to stakeholders to learn the differing views on the internet.

 

Tony Goh

• 23 Mar 2022

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3 mins read

A government survey to find out the public's views on Section 377A of the penal code and the LGBTQ+ community has been removed after just one day. (Photo source: REACH)

A government survey to find out the public's views on Section 377A of the penal code and the LGBTQ+ community has been removed after just one day. (Photo source: REACH)

With the best of intentions, the Government Feedback Unit REACH launched an online survey on Tuesday, 22 March, to get views on the recent 377A ruling by the Court of Appeal,  as well as on the quality of life of LGBTQ+ people in Singapore.

Yet, within 24 hours, the site became inaccessible, leaving many to wonder if it might have been compromised by groups termed as “right wingers” or “zealots”.

The survey link now shows that it’s unavailable due to “an overwhelming response that far exceeds the usual number of responses received”. 

The survey followed at the heels of the dismissal of the constitutional challenge to Section 377A of the penal code and the subsequent comments by Minister for Law and Home Affairs K. Shanmugam.

Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam speaking on the Section 377A issue in Parliament. (Photo source: CNA / YouTube)

Comprising multiple choice questions and statements, the survey proved to be widely popular as more than 30,000 responses flooded the site before it was shut down at noon on Wednesday, 23 March.

Responding to the Straits Times, REACH said that this number “far exceeded the usual number that usually respond to our surveys, which ranges from several hundred to a couple thousand”.

As of 12pm today, the page merely says, “We have closed this eLP (electronic Listening Point) as there has been an overwhelming response that far exceeds the usual number of responses received in our eLP” instead of the original statement, “We wish to hear your thoughts about the LGBT+ community in Singapore. This survey is open to everyone regardless of your sexual orientation and/or gender identity.”

The survey has been taken down less than a day after it was launched. (Photo source: REACH)

A follow-up to the Section 377A challenge

LGBTQ+ activist and semi-retired doctor Roy Tan, one of the three who mounted the constitutional challenges against Section 377A of the Penal Code, said that the survey was “one of the positive developments elicited by our achievement of the recent ‘unenforceable’ ruling by the Court of Appeal”. 

Dr Roy Tan, one of the three appellants who launched the challenge against Section 377A. (Photo source: Roy Tan / Facebook)

Dr Tan felt that the “Government’s realisation of the currently untenable situation is what may have spurred REACH to launch the survey to garner feedback from the public regarding whether the majority want to keep gay Singaporeans criminalised”. 

He speculated that “if the findings show that the public generally are conservative and do not want an erosion of the normative heterosexual paradigm, yet at the same time, feel that gay men should not be viewed as criminals in the eyes of the law, it would provide a solid reason backed up by statistics for the Government to repeal the law”.

He said this survey by REACH is “groundbreaking because it is the first major and large-scale Governmental initiative to gather feedback from the general public about attitudes towards the gay community” and even touches on questions regarding the law on the criminalisation of male homosexuality. Dr Tan added that previous surveys were on a smaller scale, carried out by private or quasi-governmental organisations.

But he cautioned against using surveys to shape policies as it pits the majority against the minority, with the minority groups always at the losing end.

Dr Tan said he is hopeful about the future, as “the younger generations are increasingly woke and have a greater sense of social fairness, so acceptance of the LGBT community is bound to increase as the years go by”. 

“This can only have a beneficial effect on the eventual attainment of equality in all aspects of life for the community as the Government has already signalled its willingness to institute legal reform based on evolving social attitudes,” he added.

When approached by TheHomeGround Asia, REACH replied that the survey is  “an e-Listening Point to gather feedback on Section 377A and other issues relating to the LGBT+ community in Singapore”, and that “the feedback will be shared with relevant agencies and could be used within the Government for policy updates and changes”.

Pink Dot SG

LGBTQ+ advocacy group Pink Dot SG had earlier shared in a social media post that “the survey is an opportunity for us to make our concerns known to people in power, even if they are imperfect tools in capturing the complexity and nuances of our lived experiences. Our contributions to this outreach can provide useful insights for our policymakers and help inform decisions that will impact all of us for years to come”.

However, Pink Dot SG cautioned against seeing the survey “as a numbers game”, as the survey is “not an opportunity for different groups to flex their power, size, or popularity”. “We should not use this survey as a battleground to picket, or to make any sort of public statement,” it said.

The group added that it is divisive to treat Singapore’s society as comprising of “majorities and minorities”, and hopes to “start having real conversations about the lives we lead here in this country, and how we are impacted by legal and social discrimination at home, in schools, and in the workplace”.

“Your stories matter. We urge you to seize this opportunity to be heard”, Pink Dot SG said.

Netizens React

While TheHomeGround Asia received a WhatsApp message sharing the survey link and specifically advised against sharing it on public forums such as social media, Wake Up, Singapore still posted the survey link on its Facebook page, adding a statement that “many had noted flaws with the survey – such as the possibility that one zealous person may submit multiple responses”.

The WhatsApp message received by TheHomeGround Asia. (Photo source: Tony Goh / WhatsApp)

Comments on social media regarding the survey have mostly been supportive of the LGBTQ+ community.

One Ivan H M Wong posted, “Done. Submitted. But doubt things will change for the better”, and Suze Shon Ng commented that “Love is love”. “We are laughing stock if still let this old century law exist. Not a nanny state still, are we?” she asked.

There were some dissenting views as well. In his short and sharp retort, Jonus Jun wrote, “Nothing to discuss, no room for pink dot here in Singapore.”

[Saggiboy]

On 3/23/2022 at 4:08 PM, smallboix said:

1. I, too, am in support to see what the results is, hence my use of the word "hope".

2. Jumping to conclusion would be me saying: "There is no need to look at the results. Those 30,000 responses will all be negative responses from the mega churches". 

3. It is a fact that the National Council of Churches of Singapore does not condone homosexual practices and a simple google search would point to instances/cases of mega churches' anti-gay incidents. I am merely stating a fact that such mega churches with their 5digit worshippers number could have easily filled up the 30,000 responses. 

I'm sure you replied with good intentions, seeing how you're giving advices. But perhaps, you should not jump to conclusion after a quick glance of others' comments. Learn to read, understand, don't think too deeply and end up speculating others' intentions. Cheers!

Oh, apologies for the misunderstanding. Actually my reply was referring to those Guests making false comments. No way I was referring to you at all. 

[singalion]

From the ST article:

 

The Straits Times understands that several groups had mobilised people to take part in the poll.

 

My Opinion:

Then the Survey is not representative. 

 

What info want they take from a survey when viewpoints are not objective. 

 

They should grant access via Singpass to complete the form so that multiple entry from same person not possible and keep the channel open for 2 weeks. 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2022 by singalion

[Glyph]

On 3/23/2022 at 11:58 PM, singalion said:

"...via Singpass to complete the form so that..."

 

survey's conducted anonymously to encourage discreet folks to speak up? you do know it's going to a government agency, right?

 

in any case, managed to drop my submission but i'm not hopeful or anything.

Edited March 23, 2022 by Glyph

[Guest Foreign Intervention?]

Why was the survey quota reached so fast? Why was the website jammed around 830pm on the night itself of the day the survey was opened? Apparently some religious organisations had used bots or mobilised their legions of followers - they may have even engaged overseas anti-gay Christian organisations with vast financial resources like the one in America - I have forgotten the name- that paid for extensive advertisements on Taiwanese mainstream media to badmouth and spread misinformation and fake news about gay people to chip in - to generate multiple responses so fast, real folks like me could not even submit my survey responses as the website had already crashed during the night itself of the day when the survey opened.

 

[Guest Foreign Internation?]

The American right wing Christian organization had paid for extensive advertisements to spread misinformation and fake news about LGBT people on mainstream Taiwanese media during their public referendum on gay marriage in 2018.

 

I am not surprised they did the same using bots and paid AstroTurf groups for this LGBT acceptance survey in Singapore to skew poll results to paint a false picture of public desire to retain 377A for moral and social reasons at the same time no discrimination of LGBT people in Singapore.

[singalion]

On 3/24/2022 at 6:27 AM, Glyph said:

 

survey's conducted anonymously to encourage discreet folks to speak up? you do know it's going to a government agency, right?

 

in any case, managed to drop my submission but i'm not hopeful or anything.

 

There are means to protect the privacy of people even if you enter personal data to log in to submit. This can be separated to protect privacy.

The system can be arranged that the personal data (like Singpass) is just meant to open the platform for participation. The personal data must not appear on the survey feedback.

 

I have participated at various government public hearings on different sectors and taken part or being selected as participant for government surveys, public feedback etc that I know that in most these cases you have to mention minimal personal data to take part, otherwise the response will be not counted or the participation is already not possible (e.g. if online).

 

Also note on privacy:

Taking part at a survey and being pro gay doesn't mean you have to be gay.

 

My purpose for my second post was just to eliminate abuse in such surveys.

 

This survey was not a "telephone" poll with some anonymous random people but something done by a government authority.

 

 

[singalion]

A.

From my personal view, I think the organisation that put this survey online has learnt that they can't take anything from the survey due to "agitation" or abuse.

 

Also it demonstrates that the topic will lead to heavy aggressive "campaigning" which the Singapore government has always tried to avoid.

 

If the idea for the survey was from Shanmugam then he was badly advised.

 

After the Court said, the parliament should decide on the issue, then bring it back to parliament and just have a vote.

 

In Singapore people won't go onto the streets.

 

And if the majority of PAP thinks 377A should not be repealed then they should say so instead of leaving this whole issue in a fierce debate or in limbo.

 

 

I personally feel that there would be a majority by now in the parliament to repeal 377A.

 

B.

I also think that Singapore should not permit some extremely vocal religious fanatics, who are a minority,  to decide over politics.

In any way, they will try their best to obstruct any change.

But they are not the majority.

Singapore does not have any law criminalising adultery, while the view in the bible is different.

 

Singapore understands itself as a secular state.

Then please treat such discussion in a "secular" manner.

 

 

[Glyph]

On 3/24/2022 at 11:56 AM, singalion said:

 

There are means to protect the privacy of people even if you enter personal data to log in to submit. This can be separated to protect privacy.

The system can be arranged that the personal data (like Singpass) is just meant to open the platform for participation. The personal data must not appear on the survey feedback.

 

I have participated at various government public hearings on different sectors and taken part or being selected as participant for government surveys, public feedback etc that I know that in most these cases you have to mention minimal personal data to take part, otherwise the response will be not counted or the participation is already not possible (e.g. if online).

 

Also note on privacy:

Taking part at a survey and being pro gay doesn't mean you have to be gay.

 

My purpose for my second post was just to eliminate abuse in such surveys.

 

This survey was not a "telephone" poll with some anonymous random people but something done by a government authority.

 

You could probably ask any Guest to create a pseudo-anonymous account here in BW and post, it's non-identifiable, but they wouldn't because [insert reason].

 

Likewise, if I had to log my singpass just to access some "anonymous" survey, it's not happening.

 

And mentioning "...being pro gay doesn't mean you have to be gay..." already shows you do know a good number of PLUs value privacy. Are you going to exclude them from the target audience?

Edited March 24, 2022 by Glyph

[Guest Citizen]

Even if using singpass right wing religious zealots can still ask their friends and relatives who are otherwise not interested in the survey to sign in for them, then take over their devices or computer to fill up the survey with responses that will skew the results to their favor.

 

Or they can ask or even pay them to do it for them, sending them the answers to each survey question in a template for them to copy and paste in.

 

Otherwise they can also engage or pay for AstroTurf groups in Singapore to do the same for them, like the sgbefrienders facebook group trueloveis collaborated with.

[singalion]

On 3/24/2022 at 12:57 PM, Glyph said:

 

You could probably ask any Guest to create a pseudo-anonymous account here in BW and post, it's non-identifiable, but they wouldn't because [insert reason].

 

It's pretty much the same case here. If I had to log my singpass just to access some "anonymous" survey, I wouldn't.

 

And mentioning "...being pro gay doesn't mean you have to be gay..." already shows you do know that a good number of PLUs value privacy. Are you going to exclude them from the target audience?

 

You need to differ between an "anonymous" survey and a survey based on more reliable responses and less means of abuse.

 

If the government wanted, they can track even those anonymous responses to surveys. It would just need some more effort.

As to my knowledge in some criminal cases the government was able to track whether certain persons had accessed certain websites.

 

Surely I know that some gays might fear that their sexual orientation might be seen.

 

But do you really think the government would take such an effort to link any reply to the individual?

Also note that I said, that the government could take efforts to separate the person receiving the survey results and disallow the access to the submitter s data (aka SingPass). It all can be done.

 

If the government does surveys in the past they always asked for the personal data (Household surveys, public views on policy changes or new laws and acts...)

 

My point was that if the government wanted some halfway reliable survey results, then they need to take some efforts to prevent abuse.

Otherwise you can just give a damn on any such "anonymous" survey.

 

On responding when inputting SingPass or not is your personal attitude.

If the government intended to find out who is gay or not, they would not need much resources to create this data.

They just need to look what guys entered into grindr during their NS, check the database who accesses regularly gay sites on the internet, take the TraceTogether data from the  saunas and and

I thought you would be the one to actually know better and what a "digital footprint" means.

 

 

 

I suspect the government will never publish the results of that survey they did some day ago.

The only thing they know now is: The debate is going to be "heated".

 

 

 

 

 

[singalion]

On 3/24/2022 at 1:14 PM, Guest Citizen said:

Even if using singpass right wing religious zealots can still ask their friends and relatives who are otherwise not interested in the survey to sign in for them, then take over their devices or computer to fill up the survey with responses that will skew the results to their favor.

 

Or they can ask or even pay them to do it for them, sending them the answers to each survey question in a template for them to copy and paste in.

 

Otherwise they can also engage or pay for AstroTurf groups in Singapore to do the same for them, like the sgbefrienders facebook group trueloveis collaborated with.

 

but it had stopped any multiple entries from one person.

You never have any 100% "authentic" result on surveys, because even for other issues, there are lobbies.

[Guest Citizen]

On 3/24/2022 at 1:33 PM, singalion said:

 

but it had stopped any multiple entries from one person.

You never have any 100% "authentic" result on surveys, because even for other issues, there are lobbies.

That's why a survey should never have been used in the first place to decide on public policies that can affect only a minority. Can you imagine if a government survey was done on whether Indians should be allowed to cook curry at home after 8pm?

[Guest Citizen]

Can you imagine the Singapore government commissioned a survey to find out the public's opinions about Muslim girls wearing hijab with school uniform, and then informed the public that any policy change with regards to Muslim girls' allowed school attire may be informed by results of this survey?

 

How does that feel to everyone? Does that sound fair or tyrannical towards minorities?

 

[singalion]

On 3/24/2022 at 1:47 PM, Guest Citizen said:

That's why a survey should never have been used in the first place to decide on public policies that can affect only a minority.

 

I agree to you point that the government should have never done any survey on this 377A issue at all (refer to my earlier posts!)

 

The other parts I am not going to comment much.

As to my knowledge not only Indians cook curries... haha

 

[Guest Citizen]

On 3/24/2022 at 3:04 PM, singalion said:

As to my knowledge not only Indians cook curries... haha

 

Precisely! Straight people amd lesbians also engage in oral and anal sex!!!!!

 

You see how unfair and tyrannical this survey is?