Blogger Adam Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/23/2022 at 1:10 PM, Guest Citizen said: It's a very poorly thought out and lame poll, it's almost an insult. I wonder if more people agree there is discrimination, will they use that to justify removing 377a because it encourages discrimination or keeping it because it shows many people in our society dislike LGBT people. The results could be used both ways. I totally agree that the survey was poorly thought out. The choice of words used in some questions are loosely defined and can be very generic. I’m just hoping such wriggle room isn’t meant to tilt the survey a certain way Quote http://adamandtheboys2.blogspot.sg/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Minority rights should never be decided by majority via a poll, but by the judge or parliament debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Also if they do not intend to publish the results of this poll, it is as good as ownself check ownself, especially if they had manipulated the results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/24/2022 at 4:25 PM, Blogger Adam said: I totally agree that the survey was poorly thought out. The choice of words used in some questions are loosely defined and can be very generic. I’m just hoping such wriggle room isn’t meant to tilt the survey a certain way I don't think they are that dumb. The vague questions are meant to generate generic replies that they can interpret in whatever way they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 Three possibility for the survey: 1. Wayang, perfunctory or cosmetic purpose to please foreign investors, placate LGBT community and liberals after the High Court rejection for 377a repeal 2. To be manipulated to get the results they need for excuse to keep 377a's status quo 3. Drill for training, warming up and getting ready local religious zealots and their AstroTurf groups for future battles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy Tan Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 https://the-singapore-lgbt-encyclopaedia.fandom.com/wiki/Archive_of_REACH_LGBTQ_Survey,_22_March_2022 Screen capture of the survey Editable text of the survey REACH - LGBTQ Survey 10 mins estimated time to complete Instructions Welcome! REACH is the national feedback and engagement unit under the Ministry of Communications and Information (MCI). In response to questions raised during the Ministry of Home Affairs’ Committee of Supply debate, Minister for Law and Home Affairs K Shanmugam said that “the government is considering the ‘best way forward’ on Section 377A, which criminalises gay sex, and in doing so will respect different viewpoint and consider them carefully.” We wish to hear your thoughts about the LGBT+ community in Singapore. This survey is open to everyone regardless of your sexual orientation and/or gender identity. Your feedback will be shared with relevant agencies and could be used within the Government for policy updates and changes. For more information on REACH, please visit www.reach.gov.sg or follow us on our social media platforms: Facebook: REACHSingapore / Instagram: @reachsg /TikTok: @reachsingapore Demographic 1. Gender Male Female Others If others, please specify. 2. Nationality Singaporean Permanent Resident Foreigner 3. I am... Chinese Malay Indian Others If others, please specify. 4. Year of Birth 5. Occupation Professionals, Managers, Executives Associate Professionals and Technicians Service and Sales (e.g. F&B, customer-facing, commission-based) Clerical Support (e.g. general admin) Blue Collar (e.g. machine operators, cleaners, labourers) Self-employed Homemaker Student Full-time National Service (NSF) Unemployed Retiree Others If others, please specify. 6. Current personal monthly income, before deducting CPF Survey 7. I feel that the LGBT+ Community is accepted in Singapore. Strongly Agree Agree Neutral Disagree Strongly Disagree 8. Why or why not? 9. I am supportive of the LGBT+ community and their causes. Strongly Agree Agree Neutral Disagree Strongly Disagree 10. Why or why not? 11. I have taken part in activities and causes to show support for the LGBT+ community. NO YES 12. Are you or do you know someone who identifies as an LGBT+ person? I am an LGBT+ person I know someone who is an LGBT+ person I do not know anyone who is an LGBT+ person 13. I am aware of what Section 377A of the Penal Code is. I have heard about it and know what it is about I have heard about it but am unsure what it is about I have not heard about it and do not know what it is about 14. I think that Section 377A should be. Repealed Maintained Modified I am indifferent about it 15. Why? 16. I would like to sign up for future REACH activities, such as contests, events and Listening Points POWERED BY Privacy Policy Terms of Use protected by reCAPTCHA Privacy - Terms See also Singapore LGBT surveys Section 377A of the Penal Code (Singapore) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Since when has the government cared about population's sentiments on issues? A lot of things were protested against by the people, but the government still went ahead no matter what. I highly doubt the sincerity and purpose of this survey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr Law Saw Paw Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 They don't care what the judge think. They are the king and they made useless law, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Har paw Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 On 3/26/2022 at 12:51 PM, Guest Mr Law Saw Paw said: They don't care what the judge think. They are the king and they made useless law, I know right.... pofma was die die pushed through by gahment despite local and international protests and controversies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wear Pink Campaign Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I hope there will be pindkot this year. 1000 participants each scattered in different venue of Singapore, without violating the new Covit 19 measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest__ Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 On 3/26/2022 at 10:44 AM, Guest Citizen said: Since when has the government cared about population's sentiments on issues? A lot of things were protested against by the people, but the government still went ahead no matter what. I highly doubt the sincerity and purpose of this survey. i think over the (recent) yrs, the govt has been more and more sensitive to the sentiments of the population because they realise that it's v possible for them to lose many seats to the likes of credible opposition parties like WP. the question is they have to make a political calculation as to what is the best way forward without losing too many votes from the conservative / older folks (esp the religious ones) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 2:24 AM, Guest guest__ said: i think over the (recent) yrs, the govt has been more and more sensitive to the sentiments of the population because they realise that it's v possible for them to lose many seats to the likes of credible opposition parties like WP. the question is they have to make a political calculation as to what is the best way forward without losing too many votes from the conservative / older folks (esp the religious ones) The best way forward is government speak for more pussyfooting. The only real and tangible way forward is to repeal 377a, simple and easy. Don't have to overthink and complicate things. They should have been thinking about this matter since the first 377a challenge in 2007, and should have some idea about how to to go about repealing it by now, 15 years later. Don't have to keep on delaying by playing confused or taichi, they are not that dull or ineffectual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just go by science and explain to Singaporeans the existence of LGBT people is fact and reality, nothing to do with religious concept of sin. And because Singapore is a secular state and government is secular, meaning go by science and governed by science not by fundamentalist religious thinking, repealing 377a is the most logical way forward. They can even examine and explain the harms of 377a to not just to mental health and well being of LGBT people, but also the health and integrity of Singapore society with regards to heterosexual marriage by choice, not social compulsion, even improvements to Singapore's international standing if they really want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 They can engage all the LGBT scholars working as public relations for the Singapore government - I know of at least two of them - to come up with a government's comprehensive press release explaining the meaning of secularism in layman terms, harms of 377a and benefits in repealing it, announce and publish it on all free to air channels and news publications in all local languages. They can even broadcast it in hokkien, cantonese and teochew public service announcements on free to air channels like channels 8 and 5. All it takes is some political will and moral courage to do the right thing sooner rather than later, and there is no better time than NOW to do it as a boost to Singapore's economy nearing the aftermath of this pandemic. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 Just think about the impending opening up of air travel and all the incoming pink dollars, if not the wellbeing of LGBT people and secular society. Kaching! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 After watching the Crazy Rich Asian film, may crazy rich LGBT angmohs can't wait to visit us to spend their pink dollars. But we are also known globally as being authoritarian, super strict, super dull and boring. SO what are we waiting for? A repeal of 377a together with opening up of air travel after the Crazy Rich Asian phenomenon and two years of global austerity will encourage greater spending which can only mean a strong and healthy boost to our nation's coffers during this trying period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 27, 2022 Share Posted March 27, 2022 On 3/27/2022 at 2:27 PM, Guest Citizen said: After watching the Crazy Rich Asian film, *many crazy rich LGBT angmohs can't wait to visit us to spend their pink dollars. But we are also known globally as being authoritarian, super strict, super dull and boring. SO what are we waiting for? A repeal of 377a together with opening up of air travel after the Crazy Rich Asian phenomenon and two years of global austerity will encourage greater spending which can only mean a strong and healthy boost to our nation's coffers during this trying period. Typo *many not may Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fake news Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 10:14 AM, Sizzler said: I find it hard to understand the logic of the people arguing for 377A - they claim it will destroy social fabric / family ties. Are our social fabric / family ties so weak that we need a law to protect it? If yes, then, we really don't have much of a social fabric / family ties to begin with That is fake news created by red herring and strawman argument. The actual destruction of social fabric is religious teaching that homosexuality is sin. 377a is the law that destroys social fabric and disrupts social harmony by driving a wedge between LGBT people and their family members and friends. Lots of parents refuse to accept their LGBT children, and lots of people reject LGBT people because of this law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strawman Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 10:14 AM, Sizzler said: I find it hard to understand the logic of the people arguing for 377A - they claim it will destroy social fabric / family ties. Are our social fabric / family ties so weak that we need a law to protect it? If yes, then, we really don't have much of a social fabric / family ties to begin with This is just their usual strawman argument. Just look around the world where such a law doesn't exist or has been repealed, like Hong Kong, China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, India and all the western countries. Did their family units fall apart? Clearly NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hypocritical example Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Repealing S377A is not popular in Singapore, the govt will not proceed to abolish it and then kept giving all sorts of reason to support their view. GST hike is also not popular in Singapore, but will be implemented at all cost and then make song and dance with the help of msm. See the above narrative? It is not what the public think, it is what the political master think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Citizen Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 1:44 PM, Guest strawman said: This is just their usual strawman argument. Just look around the world where such a law doesn't exist or has been repealed, like Hong Kong, China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, India and all the western countries. Did their family units fall apart? Clearly NO. AU CONTRAIRE, repealing 377a will only STRENGTHEN families because parents and relatives accept LGBT children and family members, weeding out sham marriages and marriages of convenience due to societal pressures for LGBT people to pretend to be straight and 'normal'. As a result, less marriages will fall apart, less domestic violence and troubles, social problems, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rainbow Cake Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 4:24 PM, Guest Citizen said: AU CONTRAIRE, repealing 377a will only STRENGTHEN families because parents and relatives accept LGBT children and family members, weeding out sham marriages and marriages of convenience due to societal pressures for LGBT people to pretend to be straight and 'normal'. As a result, less marriages will fall apart, less domestic violence and troubles, social problems, etc. Tell that to our "scholars" with Square Head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kueh lapis Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/28/2022 at 6:40 PM, Guest Rainbow Cake said: Tell that to our "scholars" with Square Head. They will only listen to their "god" with Keanu Reeves good looks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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