HCI Discrimination of LGBTQ News Discussion

[StockBottom]

Straight from reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/w0h1z2/discriminatory_remarks_against_lgbt_during_sec_4/

 

WTF! 🤬

 

 

[mate69]

Omg this will be a viral post and topic!

Quick circulate around. Globally too.

Let the school and organizer be shamed

[Kimochi]

Hoseh bo the school... 

[singalion]

More details:

 

 

Context: This set of slides was presented to all Sec 4 students in HCI during level assembly on 13/7. While the presenter was trying to make the point that feeling gay was not necessarily an indication of being gay, this set of slides was seen as highly offending towards the LGBT community. Even more so towards students that are uncertain of their own sexuality and have yet to reach a

Edit: this video https://youtu.be/9BQcUBSmw_o was also presented during the presentation, hence the links to religious affiliation.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Straight from HWZ:

 

Discriminatory Remarks - HCI

[yogateacher]

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Edited November 14, 2022 by yogateacher

[Guest Guest]

Who is this Shaun? Is he famous? Is he still "active" (in the PLU circle)?

[Guest Guest]

School Counsellor From HCI Discriminated LGBTQ People During Assembly - From Singapore Uncensored

[Guest Guest]

On 7/17/2022 at 12:09 AM, mate69 said:

Omg this will be a viral post and topic!

Quick circulate around. Globally too.

Let the school and organizer be shamed

 

Guys, don't stir sh*t lah. Just let it pass. 

If everything also we kao bei kao bu, it makes us look bad as a community also.

Just ignore it; don't send hate to the school because that will only reflect badly on us as a community.

[mate69]

It's not kpkb

It's raising awareness against bigotry hatred and discrimination 

[Guest ffffffff]

What I take from his message is that being gay is just a part of you .

 

Not that everything in life has to be done in the spirit of gayness.

 

 

[Spugnatura]

On 7/17/2022 at 11:32 AM, Guest ffffffff said:

What I take from his message is that being gay is just a part of you .

 

Not that everything in life has to be done in the spirit of gayness.

 

 

Nobody ever says being gay is everything in life. Guess conversion therapies and trueloveis only caters to certain gays extremely commited to and consumed by the "gay lifestyle" feverishly like an actual religion (more like cult), like as if their lives depended on it as a crutch; someone who needs balance in their life and Christianity offered that. I guess they could have other hobbies but gay sex has become an addiction to them. Like porn addiction. Could it be daddy or mommy issues?

 

Balance is key. 

 

Christian organisations like trueloveis view gay homosexuality as a sex addiction, and present their view as the ONE AND ONLY viable view of homosexuality WHICH IS EXTREMELY MYOPIC. 

 

Guess HCI is getting more and more anglicised to be taking part in such silly gender politics.

 

 

Edited July 17, 2022 by Spugnatura

[Guest ffffffff]

On 7/17/2022 at 11:40 AM, Spugnatura said:

Nobody ever says being gay is everything in life. Guess conversion therapies and trueloveis only caters to certain gays totally commited to the gay lifestyle like an actual religion; someone who needs balance in their life and Christianity offered that. I guess they could have other hobbies but gay sex has become an addiction to them. Like porn addiction.

 

Balance is key. 

Agree wif you.

 

However, if you look at the Pride parades, the gay brands, clubs, saunas, activism etc. Some do get the impression being gay is EVERYTHING, CORE IDENTITY, everything in life revolves around it. Complete immersion.

[Spugnatura]

On 7/17/2022 at 11:54 AM, Guest ffffffff said:

Agree wif you.

 

However, if you look at the Pride parades, the gay brands, clubs, saunas, activism etc. Some do get the impression being gay is EVERYTHING, CORE IDENTITY, everything in life revolves around it. Complete immersion.

That is the "pride" facet of homosexuality. It's a show of that pride. Like drag queens looking like female dressing on steroids. It's just a performance. Drag Queens do have a life and do not wear wigs and makeup 24/7. Same for gay people. Gays who dress up for pride don't dress like that on normal days.

 

People see what they want to see. If they see something metaphorical and run with it literally, THEY ARE THE SILLY ONES.

Edited July 17, 2022 by Spugnatura

[Guest ffffffff]

On 7/17/2022 at 12:08 PM, Spugnatura said:

That is the "pride" facet of homosexuality. It's a show of that pride. Like drag queens looking like female dressing on steroids. It's just a performance. Drag Queens do have a life and do not wear wigs and makeup 24/7. Same for gay people. Gays who dress up for pride don't dress like that on normal days.

 

People see what they want to see. If they see something metaphorical and run with it literally, THEY ARE THE SILLY ONES.

Many silly people indeed.

 

Like those who want churches to recognise same sex unions.

Or the couple who wanted the homophobic baker to do their wedding cake.

 

Just like those straights who think gays must live like straights.

 

Just live your own life QUIETLY and don't IMPOSE on others.

[Guest Hi I'm Bi]

Katong pool chao auntie

[Spugnatura]

On 7/17/2022 at 1:06 PM, Guest Hi I'm Bi said:

Katong pool chao auntie

You know him? Shaun/Shawn/Sean/Shon/Shorn.

 

Is he not manly irl? Lol

 

 

[Guest Hi I'm bi]

On 7/17/2022 at 1:37 PM, Spugnatura said:

You know him? Shaun/Shawn/Sean/Shon/Shorn.

 

Is he not manly irl? Lol

 

 

Don't know him.

 

But dislike those people who want to give you attitude because you quit civil service. As though it's their business.

[fab]

Quote

 

 

. While the presenter was trying to make the point that feeling gay was not necessarily an indication of being gay,

 

By their logic, they can also argue that man who already has sex with another man also is not necessary an indication of being gay.

[lean n mean]

I log into MOE website and left them a feedback asking them to please look into this assembly talk. It’s up to us to make the authorities be accountable, whether they like it or not. 

[Spugnatura]

On 7/17/2022 at 2:39 PM, Guest Hi I'm bi said:

Don't know him.

 

But dislike those people who want to give you attitude because you quit civil service. As though it's their business.

So he's another Miss Tan or Karen.

 

If being a male model means one is manly, then taking part in Manhunt means one is tarzan.

[Spugnatura]

That Shoanne like polly pocket and he-man shows he is at least 40 years old.

 

Ex-miss tan, now Karen.

 

I've never had any interest in he-man or she-ra, that's too basic bitch. I was into smurfs and care bears.

[fab]

Are they advocating this

 

[lean n mean]

I dont get it when people say leave it alone , dont stir shit. If everyone keeps quiet, how do we even get to this day when we have gay saunas, the govt saying out loud that gay sex in private wont be prosecuted, pink dot, no cruising entrapment by police etc etc. pls get it that if minorities dont speak up for themselves, why should their supporters do for them? And the authorities will have no pressure hence inclination to stand by us too as they have so much stuff on their plates (housing? Jobs? Covid?) that will guarantee them appreciative votes. Even if we keep quiet, it doesnt mean the haters will stop, much less appreciate our silence. 

[StockBottom]

The "stats" supposedly originated from here https://mobile.twitter.com/nat_sock/status/1533231556059287552

 

Some redditor claimed "nat_sock" means national socialist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_(United_States)

 

So the school counsellor just re-used info from a dubious foreign online account?!

Time to use FICA?

 

[sgmaven]

I am surprised that a non-religious institution like HCI allowed for a presentation that is so loaded with religious baggage! Whoever opened the door for this person to talk to the kids is either blinded by his/her own religious beliefs, or hasn't processed the contents for the presentation.

 

HCI is an independent school, and so it does have a lot more autonomy compared with the average secondary school. I hope that the school's board will also get questioned about this, and the person responsible is taken to task.

[Guest livemyownlife]

On 7/17/2022 at 1:05 PM, Guest ffffffff said:

Many silly people indeed.

 

Like those who want churches to recognise same sex unions.

Or the couple who wanted the homophobic baker to do their wedding cake.

 

Just like those straights who think gays must live like straights.

 

Just live your own life QUIETLY and don't IMPOSE on others.

If only more people truly walk the talk of inclusivity: that just as they want their own views and ways to be accepted, they must also acknowledge and accept that others have their own views and ways. And agree to disagree. 

But that is difficult and requires some degree of empathy and humility. And a willingness to view those opposed to their worldview with compassion and grace. Who is equipped to do this though? 

[fab]

On 7/16/2022 at 11:17 PM, StockBottom said:

Straight from reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/w0h1z2/discriminatory_remarks_against_lgbt_during_sec_4/

 

WTF! 🤬

 

 

 

I hope they can enlighten how they arrive at homosexual represent  2% of the world population? 

[Spugnatura]

On 7/17/2022 at 5:58 PM, fab said:

 

I hope they can enlighten how they arrive at homosexual represent  2% of the world population? 

I've always thought Christians just assume the whole world is gay. 

[Spugnatura]

The blind trying to spread blindness.

[sgmaven]

On 7/17/2022 at 5:58 PM, fab said:

 

I hope they can enlighten how they arrive at homosexual represent  2% of the world population? 

Note that none of those statements are backed up by references/sources?

 

If you go by Kinsey's research (which is very dated):

 

• 37% of males and 13% of females had at least some overt homosexual experience to orgasm;
• 10% of males were more or less exclusively homosexual and 8% of males were exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55. For females, Kinsey reported a range of 2-6% for more or less exclusively homosexual experience/response.
• 4% of males and 1-3% of females had been exclusively homosexual after the onset of adolescence up to the time of the interview.

 

Source: Diversity of sexual orientation

Edited July 17, 2022 by sgmaven

[Guest Guest]

On 7/17/2022 at 4:12 PM, lean n mean said:

I log into MOE website and left them a feedback asking them to please look into this assembly talk. It’s up to us to make the authorities be accountable, whether they like it or not. 

Thanks! 👍 🙏 Not sure if Mothership is aware of this .... their readership is quite "wide" ... 🙄

[Guest ffffffff]

On 7/17/2022 at 5:05 PM, Guest livemyownlife said:

If only more people truly walk the talk of inclusivity: that just as they want their own views and ways to be accepted, they must also acknowledge and accept that others have their own views and ways. And agree to disagree. 

But that is difficult and requires some degree of empathy and humility. And a willingness to view those opposed to their worldview with compassion and grace. Who is equipped to do this though? 

Yes just look at BW. Lots of people can't discuss an issue calmly, without descending into shrilly bitchy hysterics. 

 

It is a case of MY OPINION MUST WIN AND OVERRIDE OTHERS.

 

Much less agree to disagree?

[Guest ffffffff]

On 7/17/2022 at 4:36 PM, Spugnatura said:

 

 

On 7/17/2022 at 4:30 PM, Spugnatura said:

So he's another Miss Tan or Karen.

 

If being a male model means one is manly, then taking part in Manhunt means one is tarzan.

Don't we all fantasize about Tarzan - the ultimate raw maleness in undies.

[Guest Gah]

On 7/17/2022 at 5:58 PM, fab said:

 

I hope they can enlighten how they arrive at homosexual represent  2% of the world population? 

Only 2% ?

[Guest Guest]

On 7/17/2022 at 2:14 AM, singalion said:

More details:

 

 

Context: This set of slides was presented to all Sec 4 students in HCI during level assembly on 13/7. While the presenter was trying to make the point that feeling gay was not necessarily an indication of being gay, this set of slides was seen as highly offending towards the LGBT community. Even more so towards students that are uncertain of their own sexuality and have yet to reach a

Edit: this video https://youtu.be/9BQcUBSmw_o was also presented during the presentation, hence the links to religious affiliation.

 

 

So this guy is the one giving the talk?

 

He looks soooo gay.

[mate69]

I don't think it's this guy who is the counsellor giving the talk.

Correct me if Im wrong

[Guest pride]

imagine the amount of students who start to discriminate their peers n bully them because of misinformation and discrimination like these. it is a form of discrimination that should not be tolerated. the emotional damage has been dealt to the teens struggling with their sexuality, the guilt they feel. the disgust that others look upon them which makes them feel withdrawn. definitely have to stop this stigmatism. sexuality do not mean lifestyle.

[Spugnatura]

On 7/18/2022 at 4:55 AM, Guest pride said:

imagine the amount of students who start to discriminate their peers n bully them because of misinformation and discrimination like these. it is a form of discrimination that should not be tolerated. the emotional damage has been dealt to the teens struggling with their sexuality, the guilt they feel. the disgust that others look upon them which makes them feel withdrawn. definitely have to stop this stigmatism. sexuality do not mean lifestyle.

I am sure MOE will be backing them by staying connivingly silent.

[Spugnatura]

Students can boycott MOE by studying overseas, then migrate elsewhere.

[mate69]

On 7/17/2022 at 5:06 PM, Spugnatura said:

I am sure MOE will be backing them by staying connivingly silent.

That's why we must keep this thread alive. Disseminate to more of your frens, social media, IG, AND esp Mothership

[lean n mean]

Posted on Out in SG page on FB :

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OUTINSG/permalink/1198500797389971/ 

[lean n mean]

Another relevant post on Out in SG regarding this assembly talk at HCI : 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OUTINSG/permalink/1198503227389728/

(Screenshots attached) 

 

 

i hope these posts clarify why its important to speak up on such matters. For those who say keep silent and it will blow over, it wouldnt. Now that this matter is being talked about and circulated, schools will think twice about repeating it. It is very important for us in the community not to have internalised homophobia within ourselves. Growing up, most of us unconsciously adopt it by accepting mainstream ideals of who we are and the associating shame and stigma keeps us silent and in the shadows. If we dont contribute anything towards the community, but yet continue to enjoy the progress that comes with others putting out their necks for us, then the least we can do is to stop spreading this internalised homophobia by asking others not to be out there fighting the good fight. 

Edited July 18, 2022 by lean n mean

[mate69]

Mothership needs to report on this

[Guest Guest]

On 7/18/2022 at 9:43 AM, lean n mean said:

Another relevant post on Out in SG regarding this assembly talk at HCI : 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OUTINSG/permalink/1198503227389728/

 

The post is not visible to non-members. What did they say; any updates from this morning's promised assembly to address this issue?

[lean n mean]

On 7/18/2022 at 9:51 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

The post is not visible to non-members. What did they say; any updates from this morning's promised assembly to address this issue?

Thanks. I hv now posted screenshots of said post. 

[Spugnatura]

On 7/18/2022 at 5:47 AM, mate69 said:

That's why we must keep this thread alive. Disseminate to more of your frens, social media, IG, AND esp Mothership

Mothership is under Temasek Holdings, which is under the you-know-what.

[mate69]

Ah the story has made it to ST

[StockBottom]

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/hci-lgbtq-presentation-reprimanded-suspended-1946691

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/hwa-chong-reprimands-staff-member-suspends-him-from-sexuality-education-over-anti-lgbt-content

 

Hwa Chong staff reprimanded, suspended from sex education lessons after discriminatory presentation on LGBTQ issues

 

In other words, sweep under the carpet.

 

Edited July 18, 2022 by StockBottom

[Guest Guest]

Im surprised that a renowned school like HCI didnt vet the content beforehand?

 

Even if im in a small company and i hire someone for a talk, i will vet the content beforehand.