A non-Anglo Saxon view of the world and current affairs

[Startup]

As an Asian and a Singaporean, I do not consume news coming from the Anglo-Saxon world, which represents only about 10% of the world population.

 

The western media propaganda has been very powerful in the past century. Many people just accepted the information and news churned out by the western media. There was no other option cos you were not supposed to question them. 
 

However with the rise of Asia led by China and India, the western propaganda machine found themselves losing steam. Desperately they have been trying to overturn the tide that is now favouring Asia.

 

We are now seeing more and more attempts led by the US to destabilise other regions in the world. The latest attempt just took place in Asia when Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan. If China really invades Taiwan it may be a repeat of Ukrainian war. This is most likely to set China back from becoming the richest economy by the end of this decade. 
 

Despite the onslaught by the western media on the aggressive reaction adopted by China, the rest of the world was unanimous in noting the provocation by the US and supporting the one-China policy.

 

It is in this context that I am starting this thread as I would like others to contribute news and analyses from non-western propaganda sources. 
 

There are enough threads that try to convince us China is evil vs US is evil. I am not interested in following such threads. Neither do I wish anyone bring such arguments into this thread. 
 

I just want to celebrate the rise of Asian power where the westerners do not come to reign supreme. The western countries might have been our colonial masters in the past but we do not have to hold on to our colonial mindsets anymore.

 

i would like to start the ball rolling by sharing this YouTube video. Please share any news, articles or videos that are not products of the western propaganda machine. It’s up to individual discretion to decide the veracity of each sharing.

 

USA = USSR and China = USA in Cold War 2.0

 

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by Startup

[Startup]

 

[sgmaven]

On 8/12/2022 at 7:10 PM, Startup said:

As an Asian and a Singaporean, I do not consume news coming from the Anglo-Saxon world, which represents only about 10% of the world population.

Don't you think it is a little "unbalanced" to not consume any news coming from the Anglo-Saxon world? The point, whether you accept their POV or not, is to watch and analyse, and see what you can learn, and point out what is truth and what is falsehood.

 

On 8/12/2022 at 7:10 PM, Startup said:

The western media propaganda has been very powerful in the past century. Many people just accepted the information and news churned out by the western media. There was no other option cos you were not supposed to question them.

Yes, western media propaganda is powerful, but so has the propaganda from other countries, like Russia (RT) and China (CGTN). Like I said, you are allowed to question their POV at any time. Also those from Russia or China.

 

On 8/12/2022 at 7:10 PM, Startup said:

However with the rise of Asia led by China and India, the western propaganda machine found themselves losing steam. Desperately they have been trying to overturn the tide that is now favouring Asia.

I think part of the problem with many Western media outlets, is that it has become a business, only interested in capturing the audience numbers. Hence, many have become partisan, and give more biased reporting. Then again, I think that there are some outlets like DW (from Germany) that tends to be more straight with the facts. Also, there is Al Jazeera (from Qatar), that is neither supporting the West or the East.

 

On 8/12/2022 at 7:10 PM, Startup said:

We are now seeing more and more attempts led by the US to destabilise other regions in the world. The latest attempt just took place in Asia when Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan. If China really invades Taiwan it may be a repeat of Ukrainian war. This is most likely to set China back from becoming the richest economy by the end of this decade.

Why is it that Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan destabilises the region, but not the escalation of tensions by numerous incursions by Chinese fighters into the Taiwanese Air Identification Zone? For the last few years, China has been increasing the pressure on the Taiwanese. Is this not destabilising in nature? It has already been stated by Xi Jinping, long before Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, that he wants to retake Taiwan, either peacefully, or by force. Isn't that an act of agression?

 

On 8/12/2022 at 7:10 PM, Startup said:

Despite the onslaught by the western media on the aggressive reaction adopted by China, the rest of the world was unanimous in noting the provocation by the US and supporting the one-China policy.

This is blatantly not true. If this were the case, who would want to ally with the US? Why have there been new defense treaties to counter China's expansionist actions (eg. in the South China Sea)?

 

On 8/12/2022 at 7:10 PM, Startup said:

It is in this context that I am starting this thread as I would like others to contribute news and analyses from non-western propaganda sources.

Why do you want to introduce this bias? Does this mean that anyone can flood this thread with Chinese propaganda, without allowing anyone to counter it? One thing is for sure about Asia, is that China has increasing ambitions in the region. Do you trust China to be fair in their actions? Take a look at how they are dealing with Hong Kong, and I think you should have your doubts. Do you expect any of the other countries in Asia to be able to hold China in check, if you don't want the West to "interfere" in Asian affairs?

 

I might not be a big fan of the US, with its history of meddling in the affairs of other countries and destabilising governments. However, I do see their presence as a necessary evil.

 

While US media is incredibly partisan in perspective, I think the BBC is on the whole, quite neutral with their reporting. Most press and media in Asia are still very much government-controlled, so I wouldn't trust many to be impartial.

 

On 8/12/2022 at 7:10 PM, Startup said:

I just want to celebrate the rise of Asian power where the westerners do not come to reign supreme. The western countries might have been our colonial masters in the past but we do not have to hold on to our colonial mindsets anymore.

Yes, Asia has re-awakened, and are no longer subjugated by the West. However, I think that ideas of democracy and human rights are universal.

 

I don't know what to think about Mahbubani. He likes to see himself as a senior statesman with lots of influence, but he was only Singapore's representative to the UN (1984-1989 & 1998-2004) and the President of the UN Security Council  (2001-2002). So, I doubt that any world leader would heed much of what he says. The issue here is if a major disagreement in Asia, involving China, who will be able to broker the peace between the two parties? I doubt that someone like Mahbubani would be able to do the job.

 

 

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 6:10 AM, Startup said:

As an Asian and a Singaporean, I do not consume news coming from the Anglo-Saxon world, which represents only about 10% of the world population.

 

The western media propaganda has been very powerful in the past century. Many people just accepted the information and news churned out by the western media. There was no other option cos you were not supposed to question them. 
 

However with the rise of Asia led by China and India, the western propaganda machine found themselves losing steam. Desperately they have been trying to overturn the tide that is now favouring Asia.

 

We are now seeing more and more attempts led by the US to destabilise other regions in the world. The latest attempt just took place in Asia when Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan. If China really invades Taiwan it may be a repeat of Ukrainian war. This is most likely to set China back from becoming the richest economy by the end of this decade. 
 

Despite the onslaught by the western media on the aggressive reaction adopted by China, the rest of the world was unanimous in noting the provocation by the US and supporting the one-China policy.

 

It is in this context that I am starting this thread as I would like others to contribute news and analyses from non-western propaganda sources. 
 

There are enough threads that try to convince us China is evil vs US is evil. I am not interested in following such threads. Neither do I wish anyone bring such arguments into this thread. 
 

I just want to celebrate the rise of Asian power where the westerners do not come to reign supreme. The western countries might have been our colonial masters in the past but we do not have to hold on to our colonial mindsets anymore.

 

i would like to start the ball rolling by sharing this YouTube video. Please share any news, articles or videos that are not products of the western propaganda machine. It’s up to individual discretion to decide the veracity of each sharing.

 

USA = USSR and China = USA in Cold War 2.0

 

 

 

As a Startup,  I think that "Anglo-Saxon" is misapplied here.  It is not synonymous with "Western",  except perhaps in Singapore, which was a British colony and therefore see the West personified in the Queen of England.  I am a Westerner, but NOT an Anglo-Saxon.  Instead I am a mixture of German and South American, something quite different.   America is a Western society, not predominantly Anglo-Saxon.

 

I find this video by two Singapore "erudite" interesting and worth watching.  I agree with many of the interviewer Okun's statements, especially how damaging to America the policies of Trump were.  About the interviewed, Mahbubani,  although the man seems to have tons of information and experience, his ideas are not much more than his personal opinions.  It is like he preaches the goodness of Hinduism,  but I am a Catholic,  and I don't know which one is more true than the other.

 

Kishore is right that there is much power in a fascist regime like China, Russia.  But we have seen in the US  the danger fascism can be if Trump had prevailed in his grab of power.  I still believe that humans we are exactly the same no matter where we live,  so if China should be the superpower instead of the US this should be fine.   Except... except that totalitarian regimes should be avoided at all costs.  In the 220 years since America has maintained the same form of government and 150 years since it had a major upheaval with its Civil War, and thereafter has been free of internal conflicts,  China has experienced many regime changes, totalitarians, suppression of liberties, etc.   Same with Russia. So there must be something GOOD AND POSITIVE in the organization of America.   Also the fact that the US is the superpower, even if its population is one-fourth of that of China,  indicates something in its favor.   But...   with China's superiority in its population it is reasonable that it may displace the US.   I would like to see a move in the US to increment our population.  This could be one gain if the cancerous Republicans are defeated.  The refugees at the southern border of the US are GOOD HUMAN MATERIAL to come to the US.  Hispanics are not the best educated, disciplined folk, but they are good natured, and don't have the poison of a perverse religion. The 330 million habitants are too little for the US.  Half a billion would be better,  and the US may require a much larger working force than it currently has if it wants to implement its desired plans of infrastructure and "buy American". 

 

No one has a crystal ball.  Mahbubani cannot predict the future anymore than we all can.  But it is interesting to listen to his points of view.

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Edited August 12, 2022 by Steve5380

[sgmaven]

 

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[sgmaven]

 

[Startup]

On 8/12/2022 at 10:00 PM, sgmaven said:

Don't you think it is a little "unbalanced" to not consume any news coming from the Anglo-Saxon world? The point, whether you accept their POV or not, is to watch and analyse, and see what you can learn, and point out what is truth and what is falsehood.

 

 

 

i am not sure if you are aware but your posts reek of judgement and condescension. I am fully aware that you have good intentions and don’t mean to be argumentative. Unfortunately you already started on the wrong note by me by saying it’s a “little unbalanced”. 
 

This is exactly why I do not read those posts on other threads cos it’s always about my view is superior than yours cos my view is more balanced and yours is “unbalanced”. 
 

What’s balanced for you may not be the same balance for another person. You can have temporal or spatial balance. What I am trying to say is that people achieve their own balance in their own ways.

If I have decide Anglo Saxon propaganda is not for me, who are you to tell me what’s good for me?

 

You sound exactly like those well-meaning relatives or friends who upon knowing that you are gay tell you to try dating gals and have sex with them. If you don’t try, how do you know you won’t like girls. 

 

[sgmaven]

On 8/12/2022 at 10:35 PM, Startup said:

i am not sure if you are aware but your posts reek of judgement and condescension. I am fully aware that you have good intentions and don’t mean to be argumentative. Unfortunately you already started on the wrong note by me by saying it’s a “little unbalanced”.

I am not telling you to believe everything reported on Western media. Hell, Fox News constantly produces garbage that is totally untrue. However, if we do not see and read what they are reporting, we will never understand or know that other people in the world have this point of view. Perhaps you may say that it does not concern you, and so be it. However, that is exactly what the average Fox News viewer is like. They live in an echo chamber of people who still believe that the 2020 US Presidential Election was stolen from Trump. That is why I suggested that your consumption of only non-Anglo-Saxon news media is a bit "unbalanced". Take it how you want, though. This is a free world, and all of us are entitled to our own points of view.

[Startup]

On 8/12/2022 at 10:43 PM, sgmaven said:

I am not telling you to believe everything reported on Western media. Hell, Fox News constantly produces garbage that is totally untrue. However, if we do not see and read what they are reporting, we will never understand or know that other people in the world have this point of view. Perhaps you may say that it does not concern you, and so be it. However, that is exactly what the average Fox News viewer is like. They live in an echo chamber of people who still believe that the 2020 US Presidential Election was stolen from Trump. That is why I suggested that your consumption of only non-Anglo-Saxon news media is a bit "unbalanced". Take it how you want, though. This is a free world, and all of us are entitled to our own points of view.

Appreciate your sharing of those clips. Will look at them when I have time.

 

Right now I see the Cold War between the US and China taking shape. Everything is just like the different scenes in the drama.

 

My current source of news are a Taiwan channel and various personalities such as Jeffrey Sachs and Richard Woolf. It’s quite limited which is why I created this thread for more people to share, as long as they are not propaganda garbage from western media. 
 

Even then I don’t have time nor inclination to consume as much news as possible. All I want to do is to be able to correlate what I read or watch with what’s happening in the world. I am not even interested in my own view. For example it’s said that the US is now trying it’s darn best to contain China and destabilise it to preserve its global hegemony. I want to see if this is truly the case and whether US actions are in line with its anti-China efforts and whether China is taking the rightful actions to stay on path to becoming the next superpower as it overtakes the US.

I don’t have the same concerns and interests as you. 
 

With that, I will not respond to any arguments as I am not interested in them. I appreciate the opportunity to make clear my position on these issues and why I started this thread.

 

I just want to see non-Anglo Saxon view on geopolitical affairs. Please take your arguments and debates elsewhere (this is not directed at you personally but to those who are fond of arguing for the sake of arguing.)

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by Startup

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 9:35 AM, Startup said:

 

What’s balanced for you may not be the same balance for another person. You can have temporal or spatial balance. What I am trying to say is that people achieve their own balance in their own ways.

 

 

This works both ways.  If I only read western news, or you only read non-western news,  we are unbalanced.   Unbalanced in our political views.  But nonetheless we may be able to filter out sufficient real NEWS.  "News" is a realistic information of what is happening in this world.    In your non-western news you still know that Russia attacked Ukraine, that Biden is the US president now and not  Trump,  etc.

 

If we have sufficient intelligence, sufficient skepticism, sufficient maturity,  we can filter out the real "news" from the commercial news deliveries.  I get the same news as the baseball fans,  but I have no idea of what is going on in baseball.

 

You haven't mentioned literature.  How about history books?   You read only non-western history books?   This may have little sense if you want to know about the ancient Roman and Greek empires.   I have to read mostly western books because I cannot read any of the purely Asian languages, ha ha.

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 10:02 AM, Startup said:

 

I just want to see non-Anglo Saxon view on geopolitical affairs. Please take your arguments and debates elsewhere.

 

 

When you start a topic on BW,  you implicitly are inviting EVERYONE to read what you post and make comments. 

 

It is not fair (and you don't have a right) to restrict other people's comments to what you want to read.   What you can do, if necessary,  is to alert the Moderator about violations of the rules of civility and allowed materials in this forum.  I haven't seen any of this here, in this thread.

 

So please,  keep an open mind and don't shy away from discussions.  They are a good way to influence our opinions and enhance our perspectives.

[Startup]

 

[Startup]

Ukraine’s fate is sealed. Is Taiwan the next Ukraine?

 

 

[Startup]

This is why this guy is worth listening to. 
 

 

[Startup]

Taiwanese channel taking a dig on western media.

 

 

[Startup]

On 8/12/2022 at 11:02 PM, Startup said:

Appreciate your sharing of those clips. Will look at them when I have time.

 

Right now I see the Cold War between the US and China taking shape. Everything is just like the different scenes in the drama.

 

My current source of news are a Taiwan channel and various personalities such as Jeffrey Sachs and Richard Woolf. It’s quite limited which is why I created this thread for more people to share, as long as they are not propaganda garbage from western media. 
 

Even then I don’t have time nor inclination to consume as much news as possible. All I want to do is to be able to correlate what I read or watch with what’s happening in the world. I am not even interested in my own view. For example it’s said that the US is now trying it’s darn best to contain China and destabilise it to preserve its global hegemony. I want to see if this is truly the case and whether US actions are in line with its anti-China efforts and whether China is taking the rightful actions to stay on path to becoming the next superpower as it overtakes the US.

I don’t have the same concerns and interests as you. 
 

With that, I will not respond to any arguments as I am not interested in them. I appreciate the opportunity to make clear my position on these issues and why I started this thread.

 

I just want to see non-Anglo Saxon view on geopolitical affairs. Please take your arguments and debates elsewhere (this is not directed at you personally but to those who are fond of arguing for the sake of arguing.)

 

I wish to further clarify one thing. In no way have I said that discussions are not welcome. There will always be people who turn each discussion into a sort of farce, so I avoid engaging them. I have made it clear by setting a boundary on this thread - it’s a non western non Anglo Saxon view on world affairs. I cannot understand why anyone would come and tell me please brush up on the Anglo Saxon news and propaganda so you can have a more balanced view on things. 
 

As I have respectfully told one member here, I am not interested in constructing a ‘balanced’ view according to his definition. 
 

If I choose to make this thread about Asian literature instead of western literature, then all are welcome to discuss Asian literature. 
 

If anyone chooses to discuss western literature in a thread on Asian literature, of cos I don’t have any right to stop them. But it makes one wonder why they have to gatecrash every thread with their irrelevant responses. 

[sgmaven]

On 8/12/2022 at 11:02 PM, Startup said:

Even then I don’t have time nor inclination to consume as much news as possible. All I want to do is to be able to correlate what I read or watch with what’s happening in the world. I am not even interested in my own view. For example it’s said that the US is now trying it’s darn best to contain China and destabilise it to preserve its global hegemony. I want to see if this is truly the case and whether US actions are in line with its anti-China efforts and whether China is taking the rightful actions to stay on path to becoming the next superpower as it overtakes the US.

The question is what happens when China becomes the global superpower? Is it going to bully its neighbours, like what it has done in the South China Sea? And if that is the case, is it alright for China to do so? Note that China's claims in the South China Sea go far beyond the internationally-accepted Exclusive Economic Zones, and even encroached on the Exclusive Economic Zones of other nations. So, in this case, is it then right for countries like the US, to "help" these countries contest the sovereignty of those waters?

[sgmaven]

 

[Startup]

I don’t recommend this channel, but take a look at the contrast it painted on Biden’s visit and Xi’s planned visit to Saudi Arabia.

 

 

[Startup]

The best analysis on Taiwan crisis comes from Taiwanese themselves.

 

 

[Startup]

This is a piece of western propaganda garbage I have been referring to. 
 

 

[doncoin]

Below are some news outlets that do not qualify as "Anglo-Saxon"

• France24- French (but they have an English channel as well)
• NHK World- Japanese
• RT- Russian (it is state-controlled, so be wary but some cultural stuff on Russian culture is interesting)
• Al Jazeera- Arabic (But they have their English channel as well)
• El Mundo- Spanish

I would have added DW, Deutsche Welle, but they are Germanic, which would have made them Saxon, hence disqualified.

 

[sgmaven]

On 8/13/2022 at 2:53 AM, Startup said:

I don’t recommend this channel, but take a look at the contrast it painted on Biden’s visit and Xi’s planned visit to Saudi Arabia.

 

 

WION is as bad as Fox News in the US, so please refrain from putting up their clips...

[sgmaven]

On 8/13/2022 at 3:20 AM, Startup said:

This is a piece of western propaganda garbage I have been referring to. 
 

 

But this is not done by your so-called Anglo-Saxon media. This is Al Jazeera, funded by the Qatari government...

[sgmaven]

 

[Startup]

On 8/13/2022 at 4:11 AM, doncoin said:

Below are some news outlets that do not qualify as "Anglo-Saxon"

• France24- French (but they have an English channel as well)
• NHK World- Japanese
• RT- Russian (it is state-controlled, so be wary but some cultural stuff on Russian culture is interesting)
• Al Jazeera- Arabic (But they have their English channel as well)
• El Mundo- Spanish

I would have added DW, Deutsche Welle, but they are Germanic, which would have made them Saxon, hence disqualified.

 

thanks. 
 

 

[Guest wahahahahaha]

On 8/12/2022 at 10:10 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

I am a Westerner, but NOT an Anglo-Saxon.  Instead I am a mixture of German and South American, something quite different.   America is a Western society, not predominantly Anglo-Saxon.

 

Your German dad fucked by America and your latino mom screwed by America and both ran away to surrender, to the invader, resulted in you  being adopted by a certain religious belief. and brain-washed by Anglo-Saxon culture an thinking clearly evidence by your extreme stubborn hate of the Chinese regime.  In a nutshell, you are fucked...wahahaha

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 10:02 AM, Startup said:

 

My current source of news are a Taiwan channel and various personalities such as Jeffrey Sachs and Richard Woolf. It’s quite limited which is why I created this thread for more people to share, as long as they are not propaganda garbage from western media. 
 

Even then I don’t have time nor inclination to consume as much news as possible. All I want to do is to be able to correlate what I read or watch with what’s happening in the world. I am not even interested in my own view. For example it’s said that the US is now trying it’s darn best to contain China and destabilise it to preserve its global hegemony. I want to see if this is truly the case and whether US actions are in line with its anti-China efforts and whether China is taking the rightful actions to stay on path to becoming the next superpower as it overtakes the US.

 

 

Jeffrey Sachs and Richard Woolf ARE  western media.  WHY is their propaganda not GARBAGE?   The answer is very simple:  because you like it.

 

You are assigning some subjective blame on the US...  "destabilize China"... "anti-China efforts"...

Are you aware that in the 20th century the US tried to destabilize Germany and Japan, with anti-Germany and anti-Japan efforts?  Today, the whole civilized world is thankful for this.

If you use some brain cells in your head, you cannot but find similarities between the efforts of Germany, Japan and today the efforts of China, to conquer other people's lands.

The US is not building artificial islands in international waters to extend their territorial claims.  China is.  The US is not threatening to invade other countries because of some alleged historical reasons.  China IS. 

 

It seems that "you don't have the time nor inclination to consume as much news as possible".  What you have is:  time and inclination to consume THE NEWS YOU LIKE ! 

[Startup]

Debunking China debt trap.

 

 

[Startup]

On 8/13/2022 at 8:57 AM, Guest wahahahahaha said:

Your German dad fucked by America and your latino mom screwed by America and both ran away to surrender, to the invader, resulted in you  being adopted by a certain religious belief. and brain-washed by Anglo-Saxon culture an thinking clearly evidence by your extreme stubborn hate of the Chinese regime.  In a nutshell, you are fucked...wahahaha

Even though I can understand why u find him annoying, I would prefer that you do not resort to such disrespectful language. What we can do is to ignore him and not feed him. 

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 7:57 PM, Guest wahahahahaha said:

Your German dad fucked by America and your latino mom screwed by America and both ran away to surrender, to the invader, resulted in you  being adopted by a certain religious belief. and brain-washed by Anglo-Saxon culture an thinking clearly evidence by your extreme stubborn hate of the Chinese regime.  In a nutshell, you are fucked...wahahaha

 

LOL!  You show that what you write is pure nonsense.  Nothing in your post I quote is TRUE.

 

But this should not be surprising.  It conforms with your role here, which is to be A CLOWN.   wahahahahaha...

[sgmaven]

On 8/13/2022 at 9:40 AM, Startup said:

Debunking China debt trap.

 

 

I really am puzzled at your shifting goal posts... Isn't Bloomberg considered Western or Anglo-Saxon media?

 

Or is this thread just a place to post contrarian views of the West?

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 1:09 PM, sgmaven said:

The question is what happens when China becomes the global superpower? Is it going to bully its neighbours, like what it has done in the South China Sea? And if that is the case, is it alright for China to do so? Note that China's claims in the South China Sea go far beyond the internationally-accepted Exclusive Economic Zones, and even encroached on the Exclusive Economic Zones of other nations. So, in this case, is it then right for countries like the US, to "help" these countries contest the sovereignty of those waters?

 

Once it becomes THE superpower,  China will stop bullying its neighbors.  Instead, it will INVADE them.  Like Hitler marched into Poland.

 

I am a pacifist, but I don't think that vulnerabilities lead to peace. Maybe Japan should ASAP start building a stock of nuclear warheads and a stock of hypersonic ballistic missiles.  Then, merge the nuclear warheads with the missiles, and deploy them in hidden places.   China will not attack Japan if it knows that Japan will be able to fire their missiles into China and convert this huge city Beijing into a Lunar Landscape.

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 8:53 PM, sgmaven said:

 

Or is this thread just a place to post contrarian views of the West?

 

 

This seems to be the purpose of @Startup,  and this gives us the opportunity to counter the contrarian views that are false.

[Guest Ah Seng and girl nextdoor]

Stop pitching this as a western vs eastern thing. And there is no "western propaganda". The media outlets in the west are almost all privately controlled. When they are not attacking one another, they are attacking their own governments most of the time. The views or so-called "propaganda" claimed by "Startup" are also shared by a lot of non-western media and people. The last I checked, the Japanese and South Koreans are not "western" people. But the Japanese are probably the most anti-CCP China. And so too many Taiwanese and Hong Kong people. And perhaps people in China and Chinese people who have fled China and living overseas.

(BTW, this western values vs eastern values nonsense gained currency in the 80s and 90s, when political leaders such as LKY and Mahatir used it to give legitimacy to their high-handed and non-democratic ways of running their countries and to counter criticisms. What are eastern values? What are western values? Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese. They have embraced LGBT and legalized gay marriage. Japan is not too far behind. Singapore is predominantly ethnic Chinese. Where is Singapore on LGBT rights? Gays (and male gays) are still criminals is they have gay sex whether the law is applied or not. I also cringe when people say eastern societies are very pro-family because of their values and Confucian influence. If that is so, we would expect these societies to love children and to pro-create. But take a look at China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, Singapore. All eastern societies and influenced by Confucianism. But they all have the lowest birth rates and are dealing with demographic time bombs.)

And stop blaming the US for rising tensions. The US was the one who allowed and supported China into WTO which saw decades of economic growth in China. In the beginning, China was or appeared to be rather benign. The focus was on making money. It is now increasing plain for all to see that economic growth is slowing down and that the focus is also beginning to shift elsewhere. China is applying the salami tactics in isolating Taiwan. It wants to normalize the narrative that Taiwan is an internal affair and when the time comes to take back Taiwan, international resistance will be minimal. I think the issue is pretty simple. Just because Ah Seng believes that the girl next door belongs to her, it doesn't mean the girl belongs to him and that the whole world has got to recognize Ah Seng's claim over that girl. The most important thing is: does that girl want to be with Ah Seng? Period.

[Guest Guest]

On 8/13/2022 at 9:54 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

Once it becomes THE superpower,  China will stop bullying its neighbors.  Instead, it will INVADE them.  Like Hitler marched into Poland.

 

I am a pacifist, but I don't think that vulnerabilities lead to peace. Maybe Japan should ASAP start building a stock of nuclear warheads and a stock of hypersonic ballistic missiles.  Then, merge the nuclear warheads with the missiles, and deploy them in hidden places.   China will not attack Japan if it knows that Japan will be able to fire their missiles into China and convert this huge city Beijing into a Lunar Landscape.

 

Oh yes .. China will become THE superpower, not for anything else but simply because Senile Biden has become the POTUS - Pig Of The United States.

 

[Startup]

On 8/13/2022 at 9:53 AM, sgmaven said:

I really am puzzled at your shifting goal posts... Isn't Bloomberg considered Western or Anglo-Saxon media?

 

Or is this thread just a place to post contrarian views of the West?

let me define it for u then if it matters so much for u.

 

The sole purpose of western Anglo Saxon propaganda is to maintain US hegemony. The western media may report truths or untruths so long as they are useful in their mission to extend the US hegemony.

 

If they contradict themselves, it’s their own problem, not mine.

 

As we have already agreed, not all news in English are churned out by western propaganda machinery.

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 9:06 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Oh yes .. China will become THE superpower, not for anything else but simply because Senile Biden has become the POTUS - Pig Of The United States.

 

 

It seems that you haven't kept track of the latest news about the US.

 

While Donald Trump's nest was searched by the FBI on suspicion that he violated the Espionage Act and committed obstruction of justice by stealing highly classified documents from the White House,

 

Biden is celebrating the passage of his 700+ billion new law that protects the environment, reduces the cost of prescription drugs, and does some more good things to the American people.  This and the ease on inflation is evidence that his presidency is of great benefit to the nation.

[sgmaven]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:06 AM, Startup said:

The sole purpose of western Anglo Saxon propaganda is to maintain US hegemony. The western media may report truths or untruths so long as they are useful in their mission to extend the US hegemony.

So, you think that anything that tries to maintain US hegemony is not kosher? And anything that tries to undermine that hegemony is then kosher?

 

I ask, because you seem to pick and choose who is considered kosher. You pinned the clip from Bloomberg, when Bloomberg breached Ofcom rules in the UK, with their biased reporting. You also labelled the Al Jazeera report as US propaganda, when that is produced by a Qatari-sponsored media outlet.

[Steve5380]

On 8/12/2022 at 9:06 PM, Startup said:

 

As we have already agreed, not all news in English are churned out by western propaganda machinery.

 

 

This can be agreed upon without even thinking twice.

 

But what is so strange is that you think that the US is different from China and Russia in that it wants to extend its hegemony.  So... you honestly believe that China and Russia are NOT trying to extend their hegemony?  Same as a bunch of other powerful countries?   What is so uniquely American in that?

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Edited August 13, 2022 by Steve5380

[sgmaven]

I would say that not all outlets who try to "maintain US hegemony" are propaganda pieces. They could just be wanting status quo, and the maintenance of the current world order. A world with China as a global superpower is indeed a new situation for the world, and it can be unsettling and people may not want to face this kind of changes that could destabilise things and affect their investments.

[Startup]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:32 AM, sgmaven said:

So, you think that anything that tries to maintain US hegemony is not kosher? And anything that tries to undermine that hegemony is then kosher?

 

I ask, because you seem to pick and choose who is considered kosher. You pinned the clip from Bloomberg, when Bloomberg breached Ofcom rules in the UK, with their biased reporting. You also labelled the Al Jazeera report as US propaganda, when that is produced by a Qatari-sponsored media outlet.

i am happy to reply your post cos it gives me a chance to clarify.

 

it’s clear that we hold some views on things and they are not the same. That’s fine. We can agree not to agree.

 

But let’s respectfully not impose our views on one another and not be argumentative. Let’s accept that there will always be people who see things differently. It’s not that they are right or wrong. Just different from you and me.

 

once we understand that, then there isn’t much to argue about. 
 

Like i shared earlier, I am only interested in a view that’s not shaped by the western propaganda which want us to think about the world in a way they want us to see it. As for the veracity of the news, it’s really up to the individual to make a judgement for themselves. 
 

I am not doing a thesis so I am not doing some rigorous research. Obviously I have already formed the view that US is the global bully and is extending its hegemony at the expense of other countries. And I choose news that support this view. I will happily drop this view once this empire is no more. All I want now is to read about things that give evidence to the decline of the US empire.

[Startup]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:42 AM, sgmaven said:

I would say that not all outlets who try to "maintain US hegemony" are propaganda pieces. They could just be wanting status quo, and the maintenance of the current world order. A world with China as a global superpower is indeed a new situation for the world, and it can be unsettling and people may not want to face this kind of changes that could destabilise things and affect their investments.

You do write with more sense than some others. And I accept that you hold a different view than mine. Which is fine as long as you don’t adopt I am right and superior in my view mindset.

[sgmaven]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:47 AM, Startup said:

i am happy to reply your post cos it gives me a chance to clarify.

 

it’s clear that we hold some views on things and they are not the same. That’s fine. We can agree not to agree.

 

But let’s respectfully not impose our views on one another and not be argumentative. Let’s accept that there will always be people who see things differently. It’s not that they are right or wrong. Just different from you and me.

 

once we understand that, then there isn’t much to argue about. 
 

Like i shared earlier, I am only interested in a view that’s not shaped by the western propaganda which want us to think about the world in a way they want us to see it. As for the veracity of the news, it’s really up to the individual to make a judgement for themselves. 
 

I am not doing a thesis so I am not doing some rigorous research. Obviously I have already formed the view that US is the global bully and is extending its hegemony at the expense of other countries. And I choose news that support this view. I will happily drop this view once this empire is no more. All I want now is to read about things that give evidence to the decline of the US empire.

It is good that you clarify your point of view. I am not trying to be argumentative or impose my views, just that I found the posts rather puzzling, as you originally framed things as non-Anglo-Saxon media. Then, it was reports/interviews that don't support the theme of maintenance of US hegemony.

 

While I agree that the US is no saint in global affairs, it is not always a bully. I would really wonder what would happen in the South China Sea, for example, if the US wasn't around to challenge China's actions. Do you think then, that it is alright for China to bully its neighbours then? Not trying to be argumentative, but trying to understand your frame of mind.

[Startup]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:53 AM, sgmaven said:

It is good that you clarify your point of view. I am not trying to be argumentative or impose my views, just that I found the posts rather puzzling, as you originally framed things as non-Anglo-Saxon media. Then, it was reports/interviews that don't support the theme of maintenance of US hegemony.

 

While I agree that the US is no saint in global affairs, it is not always a bully. I would really wonder what would happen in the South China Sea, for example, if the US wasn't around to challenge China's actions. Do you think then, that it is alright for China to bully its neighbours then? Not trying to be argumentative, but trying to understand your frame of mind.

 

I am only interested in the US-China Cold War at the moment. The tit-for-tat that’s going on between them at the moment. 
 

There is too much going on. I am not paying attention to peripheral issues such as South China seas. Maybe China has been a bully there but I am not interested to find out.

 

What has been clear to me is how the US used washing powder as an excuse to launch an destructive invasion on Iraq. That marked the height of its hegemony.

We are now witnessing its decline. It’s somehow managed to bring China and Russia into some kind of marriage which to many observers is the worse strategic mistake it has ever made.

 

It’s nice to see the US on decline. And I believe it means a more peaceful world. What happens next is anybody’s guess.

[Guest Guest]

On 8/13/2022 at 10:29 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

It seems that you haven't kept track of the latest news about the US.

 

While Donald Trump's nest was searched by the FBI on suspicion that he violated the Espionage Act and committed obstruction of justice by stealing highly classified documents from the White House,

 

Biden is celebrating the passage of his 700+ billion new law that protects the environment, reduces the cost of prescription drugs, and does some more good things to the American people.  This and the ease on inflation is evidence that his presidency is of great benefit to the nation.

 

Funny why FBI didn't do the exact same thing to Demoncrap Hilary Clinton last time, huh? Double standards much? Witch hunting much? The more the Demoncraps do their witch hunting, the more outraged the rest of the population will become, and the more the Demoncraps will lose! Hahahaha!

 

Him easing "inflation"? Yeah right ... there is a term for such people, and they are "firefighter arsonist" who deliberately set fires so that they can win acclaim by pretending to be the same ones to put them out.

[Startup]

 

[sgmaven]

On 8/13/2022 at 1:07 PM, Startup said:

 

If you want to talk about propaganda channels, CGTN is the English version of the PRC propaganda mouthpiece. So, why do you want to even use their source?

[sgmaven]

It's funny how propaganda-laden the "interview" is... 3 week "tour" of China to the tourist spots of Beijing, Xi'an, Urumuqi, and he becomes an "expert" on what China is like. He said there were no homeless people in Beijing... That is because the poor in Beijing are never seen by tourists! Tourists don't get brought to poor and dilapidated neighbourhoods in any country, do they? Unless there is a cultural significance of that district...

 

You can say that there are no "homeless" in Singapore too, since there are no people seen sleeping rough in town. But we all know that this is because of the government's action to clear the streets of these people. Poverty is still around, just that it is less "visible".

 

Having been to Tibet "on tour" before, I can tell you where we visited was quite controlled. So, we didn't really have a chance to really interact with the locals, except perhaps in Lhasa, where things were less "supervised". I can bet with you that when he visited Urumuqi, he wasn't really allowed to wander anywhere near any of the "re-education camps" for Uighurs, let alone be allowed to talk to them.

Edited August 13, 2022 by sgmaven