At 80, MUST a gay be OLD?

[Steve5380]

A few days ago I reached my life objective of eight decades in good physical and mental health.  This is more than my fair share, and everything else should be premium. 

 

I had a big celebration, and I received a t-shirt that said:  "It's weird being the same age as old people".    This is so true!

 

I define my status  as  " not young ".  I'm fine with this.  But our language ties together two different meanings:  one is "existing for many years"  and the other is " worn out, handicapped, worthless, ready to be discarded "

 

The car I drive the most these days I bought 29 years ago.  After 5 years, this car showed signs of aging, like poor acceleration, hesitation, stalling.  The reason was a clogged fuel filter, and after I changed it,  the car was again like new.  Today it is still fully functional, and its status I define as " not new ".  

 

Dear fellow gays,  the answer to the question of this topic is very simple.  SO, SO SIMPLE...

 

If you are in your 30s, 40s, 50s, even 60s,  and you get some feelings of not being young anymore, some feelings of aging...  start by doing some introspection.  What am I doing?  What am I NOT doing,  that makes me feel like this?   Then get informed, scour the Internet, YouTube, and find the answers to these questions.  Then  "clean your fuel filter", that is, do what is necessary to restore the human machine back to full functionality,  to feel young again or at least to remain healthy, strong and handsome.   As gays,  we have a big advantage of having much freedom to care for ourselves,  much more than straights who are married with big families.  What better thing to do than to keep us in top shape?  

 

More and more, I find persons my age who are not old.  We have learned, and we regularly do whatever is needed to maintain our status of " just not young ".  

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Edited May 1, 2023 by Steve5380

[Guest Relic]

11 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

A few days ago I reached my life objective of eight decades in good physical and mental health.  This is more than my fair share, and everything else should be premium. 

 

I had a big celebration, and I received a t-shirt that said:  "It's weird being the same age as old people".    This is so true!

 

I define my status  as  " not young ".  I'm fine with this.  But our language ties together two different meanings:  one is "existing for many years"  and the other is " worn out, handicapped, worthless, ready to be discarded "

 

The car I drive the most these days I bought 29 years ago.  After 5 years, this car showed signs of aging, like poor acceleration, hesitation, stalling.  The reason was a clogged fuel filter, and after I changed it,  the car was again like new.  Today it is still fully functional, and its status I define as " not new ".  

 

Dear fellow gays,  the answer to the question of this topic is very simple.  SO, SO SIMPLE...

 

If you are in your 30s, 40s, 50s, even 60s,  and you get some feelings of not being young anymore, some feelings of aging...  start by doing some introspection.  What am I doing?  What am I NOT doing,  that makes me feel like this?   Then get informed, scour the Internet, YouTube, and find the answers to these questions.  Then  "clean your fuel filter", that is, do what is necessary to restore the human machine back to full functionality,  to feel young again or at least to remain healthy, strong and handsome.   As gays,  we have a big advantage of having much freedom to care for ourselves,  much more than straights who are married with big families.  What better thing to do than to keep us in top shape?  

 

More and more, I find persons my age who are not old.  We have learned, and we regularly do whatever is needed to maintain our status of " just not young ".  

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You are 80 year old? 

No wonder so stubborn. 

[Steve5380]

18 minutes ago, Guest Relic said:

 

You are 80 year old? 

No wonder so stubborn. 

 

So typical when you lose an argument to declare the other party "stubborn",  ha ha.

[whitefuck]

Nice.  With so much uncertainties in life, it gonna be a blessing to live till that age.  I always remember a saying from a blog whom i aint recall, "coffin is meant for the dead and not the old".  Daddy gonna be damn happy if i get to live till that ripe age.

[Guest When is the end]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

So typical when you lose an argument to declare the other party "stubborn",  ha ha.

 

Unlike you, I have no desire to feel young. In fact I'm already exhausted and tired of this life. With no end in sight. 

 

Life is not all that great. Those who left young are blessed. 

[Saggiboy]

13 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

A few days ago I reached my life objective of eight decades in good physical and mental health.  This is more than my fair share, and everything else should be premium. 

 

I had a big celebration, and I received a t-shirt that said:  "It's weird being the same age as old people".    This is so true!

 

I define my status  as  " not young ".  I'm fine with this.  But our language ties together two different meanings:  one is "existing for many years"  and the other is " worn out, handicapped, worthless, ready to be discarded "

 

The car I drive the most these days I bought 29 years ago.  After 5 years, this car showed signs of aging, like poor acceleration, hesitation, stalling.  The reason was a clogged fuel filter, and after I changed it,  the car was again like new.  Today it is still fully functional, and its status I define as " not new ".  

 

Dear fellow gays,  the answer to the question of this topic is very simple.  SO, SO SIMPLE...

 

If you are in your 30s, 40s, 50s, even 60s,  and you get some feelings of not being young anymore, some feelings of aging...  start by doing some introspection.  What am I doing?  What am I NOT doing,  that makes me feel like this?   Then get informed, scour the Internet, YouTube, and find the answers to these questions.  Then  "clean your fuel filter", that is, do what is necessary to restore the human machine back to full functionality,  to feel young again or at least to remain healthy, strong and handsome.   As gays,  we have a big advantage of having much freedom to care for ourselves,  much more than straights who are married with big families.  What better thing to do than to keep us in top shape?  

 

More and more, I find persons my age who are not old.  We have learned, and we regularly do whatever is needed to maintain our status of " just not young ".  

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So well said. Thanks for sharing to inspire 

[singalion]

Happy Birthday Steve. 

 

Happy, healthy and lucky next 80 years ahead...

[Togsport]

May you have many more to look forward to! 🌈🎉🎊

[Guest Vintage Item]

19 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

A few days ago I reached my life objective of eight decades in good physical and mental health. 

 

Do you believe you are the oldest in this forum? If so, what is your future plan. 

[Guest Time Cruiser]

Still feel young. 29 nearly 30. Right now still feel energy and more mature compared with many years ago

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Guest Vintage Item said:

Do you believe you are the oldest in this forum? If so, what is your future plan. 

 

I don't have to be the oldest in this forum.    My plans for the future are simple:  having reached my life objective, the future does not matter much. 

 

I am waiting for my sister to come and live with me.  Then we will take care of each other.  I will continue my practices of Aikido, and get a black belt.  I will continue my exercising at home and at the gym.  I will continue learning about nutrition and eat as best as possible.  My sister is an expert in this.   We will make a long visit to our native country Argentina.  And...  I will live day-by-day, taking each one as a gift.

[Steve5380]

9 hours ago, Guest When is the end said:

 

Unlike you, I have no desire to feel young. In fact I'm already exhausted and tired of this life. With no end in sight. 

 

Life is not all that great. Those who left young are blessed. 

 

I have also lived what you are living today, and I understand it.  

 

One sad reality is that happiness does not come to us automatically.   Yes, we may experience fleeting feelings of happiness, which then vanish.  But there is a solution, which is to CULTIVATE the feeling of happiness.   Next time this feeling will surely come,  make a mental awareness of what this feeling is,  regardless of the circumstances that brought it.   Then, at some other time,  try to replicate it.   With practice you will be able to bring in the feeling of happiness at will, like during a meditation.  It does not need any material justification.  None at all.

 

Sprinkling the exhausting life of no end in sight with occasional feelings of happiness may awaken a purpose:  to feel this happiness.  This may have little effect, but sufficient to allow more purposes to come in and progressively bootstrap life into what it should be:  a consistent rich EXPERIENCE of life, for a long time until you also have reached your fair share of it.

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest Time Cruiser said:

Still feel young. 29 nearly 30. Right now still feel energy and more mature compared with many years ago

 

You must be doing something good staying young for 30 years.  And now, more than ever, research and study what it takes to keep it like this for at least another 30 years.  Learn the best maintenance and occasional repairs of you human machine.   My "not new" car is made of solid metals and other materials,  it should take centuries before it rusts away.  So,  why cannot I use it for another 20 years if I keep it running well with maintenance and occasional repairs?

[Sweetie Pie]

It sounds great,  You might want to think about watching more clean and soul-satisfying documentaries rather than listening to any western news at all.  Your presidents are all bad.  Hope you are not mentally involved with them and try to stay out of America politics.  

[Guest Time Cruiser]

9 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

You must be doing something good staying young for 30 years.  And now, more than ever, research and study what it takes to keep it like this for at least another 30 years.  Learn the best maintenance and occasional repairs of you human machine.   My "not new" car is made of solid metals and other materials,  it should take centuries before it rusts away.  So,  why cannot I use it for another 20 years if I keep it running well with maintenance and occasional repairs?

Totally agree with you. By the way I'm Malaysian and already live until now since was born. What I can mention is I doesn't have any trouble in my life and would keep live it up without any negative matter in the future. I heard some of them say that hose who have no worries always live a long life

[Steve5380]

12 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

It sounds great,  You might want to think about watching more clean and soul-satisfying documentaries rather than listening to any western news at all.  Your presidents are all bad.  Hope you are not mentally involved with them and try to stay out of America politics.  

 

Western and Eastern news are not all about politics.   Most of news are just this:  news.   My presidents are all bad?   All people have some bad,  including we two.    I hate to disappoint you, but I am mentally involved with my presidents and politicians.  This is necessary since I need to know for whom to vote next time.

[Sweetie Pie]

7 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I hate to disappoint you, but I am mentally involved with my presidents and politicians.  This is necessary since I need to know for whom to vote next time.

If your votes didn't produce the outcome you desired, you will be even more disappointed. You will then experience stress, which is detrimental for older people's health. You will also get emotionally and mentally affected became termperamental and negative.   Cut off from any news, especially those involving politics, fake news, biased experts, hate speech, etc., If you want to mature gracefully in later life you stop all your news subscriptions immediately and spend more time in nature, declutter your place and involved in therapeutic art.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Sweetie Pie

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Sweetie Pie said:

If your votes didn't produce the outcome you desired, you will be even more disappointed. You will then experience stress, which is detrimental for older people's health. You will also get emotionally and mentally affected became termperamental and negative.   Cut off from any news, especially those involving politics, fake news, biased experts, hate speech, etc., If you want to mature gracefully in later life you stop all your news subscriptions immediately and spend more time in nature, declutter your place and involved in therapeutic art.

 

You are so sweet!   I hate to disappoint you again. Usually my vote does not produce my desired outcome.  Because the state where I live, Texas, is a Republican "red" state,  and dumb Texans vote for abominations like this senator Ted Cruise and our crippled governor Greg Abbot.   How does this affect me?  

 

You propose to RUN AWAY from everything that could induce stress.  Like the ostrich runs away from danger by sticking his head in the sand.  What I propose is to accept the situations that can be stressful and train our mind to not respond to these situations with stress.   This is what I do here at BW, for example, not letting attacking posts from some members and guests disturb my peace of mind.  I have given the same advice to my pal @singalion, to not get upset over shitty insults and abject falsities, instead taking these with humor.   In this way, "our skin grows so thick" that not even the detonation of a shaped charge can penetrate it. 

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Edited May 3, 2023 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

Two years ago I started this thread.  Today I am in agreement with all what I wrote here,  and with comments here.  In these two years I have managed to keep old age still at bay, and I have learned even more ways to do it.  My practice of Aikido is one positive way to fight old age.  In a few months I have coming my Shodan test ( test for black belt ) and I train hard.  My teacher is very helpful with this.  I occasionally see pictures of me training, and in these pictures I discovered that I started to bend forwards and look old.  I am correcting this and in my pictures I start looking like a younger "aikidoka", ha ha.  I was advised to read a book "Aikido in everyday life" with teachings on how to handle conflicts in everyday life,  which I do recommend.  This adds to my happiness, because I am learning to "keep centered" and aim for the " wisdom of old age!!".   We can never get enough of this,  ha ha.   

[cutejack]

On 5/2/2023 at 10:14 AM, Guest Relic said:

 

You are 80 year old? 

No wonder so stubborn. 

Lol

[Steve5380]

4 minutes ago, cutejack said:

Lol

 

Yes, it is ridiculous. 

 

A "Guest Relic" who thinks that 80 years is "relic", ha ha.  Hopefully he is not as dumb as he appears here,  and he may be able to live to 80 years too...  and realize that at this stage he may not feel old at all, but very happy.   And it is possible that dumb younger guys find that old people are stubborn,  as if younger ones are not.    What happens is that when we become seniors we don't care anymore who wins or loses and argument,  we kindly stand our ground and feel good about it.   Only dumb people feel that they have lost to someone stubborn. 

[Why?]

On 5/2/2023 at 9:51 PM, Steve5380 said:

I am waiting for my sister to come and live with me.  Then we will take care of each other.  I will continue my practices of Aikido, and get a black belt.  I will continue my exercising at home and at the gym.  I will continue learning about nutrition and eat as best as possible.  My sister is an expert in this.   We will make a long visit to our native country Argentina.  And...  I will live day-by-day, taking each one as a gift.

Previously, you said your sister was already💀

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Why? said:

Previously, you said your sister was already💀

 

I wrote my post you quoted over one year ago.  My sister passed away 3 months ago. 

[Steve5380]

We don't have control over whether 80 is OLD.  This is the estimation of every individual, and he, she is entitled to his, her opinion.  

 

Our goal should be to reach 80...  and NOT feel old.  If we are sincere, what we feel is a good definition of what we ARE.

[TigerYam]

11 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

We don't have control over whether 80 is OLD.  This is the estimation of every individual, and he, she is entitled to his, her opinion.  

 

Our goal should be to reach 80...  and NOT feel old.  If we are sincere, what we feel is a good definition of what we ARE.

 

80 years old is NOT OLD.

 

Malaysia exPM, Dr. MAHATHIR  lives to 100. Can you live another 20years more?

[mate69]

Aim for 115 

[Steve5380]

57 minutes ago, mate69 said:

Aim for 115 

 

This is not a bad idea.  Or at least, aim for 100.  To work on this "aim",  start watching the status of the human machine.  Do I start feeling some arthritis?  Immediately reject the justification that "this comes with my age", and  start investigating what it takes to reduce / eliminate this arthritis:  what to eat to reduce inflammation, to preserve cartilage, to improve the joint with exercises against some low pain... until it improves.  Buy a blood pressure monitor and check it periodically. Is it too high, too low? -> adjust your nutrition to bring it within a good range.  Am I getting weaker due to lack of exercising?  -> start doing resistance and aerobic training.  And, important, is my belly starting to come out like I'm getting pregnant? -> adjust your diet, do some intermittent fasting to prevent overweight and unhealthy visceral fat.  Hopefully you have some freedom, not in prison or no demanding wife,  to do all these things.  

[Steve5380]

On 7/28/2025 at 4:43 AM, TigerYam said:

 

80 years old is NOT OLD.

 

Malaysia exPM, Dr. MAHATHIR  lives to 100. Can you live another 20years more?

 

Yes, I think that I can live another 20 years more (17 1/2 to be precise).  And no, I am not OLD, but not only the old pass away.  We can leave this world at any time, for many different reasons.  But once we reached 80...   isn't this a full life, enough to be satisfied?   That's why I think that "I already did my time" in this imperfect world.  Maybe after this one, there is a better world ?? 

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Edited August 1, 2025 by Steve5380

[Why?]

On 7/28/2025 at 6:39 PM, mate69 said:

Aim for 115 

I know when people who at age 65 qualified for 2-room short lease BTO,  they were in a dilemma whether to take up 30, 35 or even 40 years lease.  Many think that 35 years is their max, and 30 years is just right wherease if you are confident of your health and yourself you might want to consider paying a little more for 40 years lease (to live to your ripe age of 105).  However if you have extra cash with no where to spend your money, you can take up 45 year lease instead.   

 

If you aim for 115, then you should apply for 45 year lease BTO at the age of 70.  If you aim for 120, then you should apply your BTO at age 75...and so on...

[Steve5380]

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Edited October 9, 2025 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

On 7/28/2025 at 4:43 AM, TigerYam said:

 

80 years old is NOT OLD.

 

Malaysia exPM, Dr. MAHATHIR  lives to 100. Can you live another 20years more?

 

I fully agree!  OLD is something very personal, and age alone is insufficient to define it.  Now at 82 I have never felt OLD,  except for lately as a butt muscle piriformis was giving me strong hip pain and loss of leg strength,  but I am already recovering.  So in a short time I won't feel OLD anymore.  It is interesting that so many health problems traditionally attributed to old age, modern preventive medicine is now finding nutrition and lifestyle causes that can be remedied.  And ways to improve longevity are being discovered, an important one is to increase autophagy, easily done with intermittent fasting.

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Edited October 9, 2025 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

On 7/28/2025 at 5:39 AM, mate69 said:

Aim for 115 

 

The consensus today is that 120 is about the limit of human longevity.  So why not aim for 120?

[leckmich]

i think 50 is already old; you can already be a granddad at that age.  personal opinion.

 

but if your bod looks fab

[Steve5380]

28 minutes ago, leckmich said:

i think 50 is already old; you can already be a granddad at that age.  personal opinion.

 

but if your bod looks fab

 

To be a granddad is not equivalent to being old.   You can have a son at 18, who in turn has a son at 18, and you are a granddad at 36.   I became a dad at 37, and my son did so at 31, when I became a granddad at 68.   And at 68 I was not old, but had a great time at gay saunas in Singapore, KL, and BKK.

[Why?]

On 10/10/2025 at 7:39 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

 Now at 82 I have never felt OLD

 

You should quit claiming to be a special piece of work every year and stop tracking your age if you don't feel old at all.  In actuality, this subject is entirely unnecessary for those who, whether they are octogenarians or centenarians, do not feel old.  You must stop!

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Why? said:

You should quit claiming to be a special piece of work every year and stop tracking your age if you don't feel old at all.  In actuality, this subject is entirely unnecessary for those who, whether they are octogenarians or centenarians, do not feel old.  You must stop!

 

I don't claim to be "a special piece of work".  On the contrary,  I claim to be an ordinary man who has found a lifestyle that prevents the feeling of being old, and my wish is that everyone can reached advanced age without having to feel old.  This should also go for you:  " If I can do it,  you can too".  And when you do it, you will ENJOY tracking your age.   

[Steve5380]

The older we get, the less we need to be anonymous.  I want to tell you a recent event that marked one more milestone in my long life,  which filled me with satisfaction and pride. 

 

This September I had been scheduled to take my Shodan (Aikido first black belt) test.  So some weeks ago the dojo where I practice organized a three day seminar, the central part of which was the Shodan test of three candidates, me included. I was handicapped by my hip pain and loss of leg strength but I decided to take the test anyway.  So when the time came and the jury panel (teachers) was seated, the test begun and I was the first called to the mat ( maybe because I was the oldest of all the people present, ha ha).  So I started to demonstrate the techniques with several Ukes (partners). After the defenses from weapons (knife, wooden sword, Jo staff) came the Randori (defense from simultaneous attacks by multiple Ukes).  In this picture I am ready to be attacked (and my silly smile revealed the fun I have with this practice):

 

 

I was able to defend from the 9 attacks in the protocol, and this was it.  The other two candidates were tested next, and they also passed.   In the final ceremony we were awarded the new black belts, and in the following picture our (my) smile revealed our satisfaction with this,  which is like a life long membership in the Aikido community,  a very friendly, sociable, totally nondiscriminatory, well educated group of people:

 

 

After the test we had a long party,  and then started our big relief from the obligations of the test.  Now I see with humor myself at 99 years,  a fragile old sample of a man,  telling a potential attacker:  "careful you, don't provoke me !!  I am a Black Belt !!   

 

I still plan to continue, now more relaxed, with the practice of Aikido,  maybe going after the second black belt.  This leaves me with the question:  what will I do now with my still plenty of octogenarian energy and free time?  Maybe... I could go into politics, and work to help defeat the Forces of Evil who now have taken over the US government?  Will see.

[Derren]

Bravo and an inspiration!

[Steve5380]

We gays should have an advantage to reach 80 years in good health.  We usually don't have family, wife and children, who can load us down with preoccupations and trouble. So we have more time and energy to dedicate to ourselves, hopefully in a productive way.  Ahh... but what about our parents, elders?  WARNING:  there can be much exploitation of a gay son with the excuse of "family love".  Of course we should love our family members - especially if they deserve it - .  But we should equally LOVE OURSELVES. If we have siblings, the responsibility for caring for the parents and elders should be shared EQUALLY with them.  Yes, we owe our parents gratitude, but to be a parent is not pure sacrifice, not by far. Parenting has its satisfactions, joys too.  And... should we have to repay our parents for what they did for us, or are they repaying with us what they received in turn from their own parents?  And the condition of elderly parents is also the result of what THEY did with their life,  we are not fully responsible.

 

So being positive,  recognize the advantages of being gay and channel your efforts into cultivating a healthy lifestyle, avoiding addictions, partner with self-esteem, and age gracefully in good spirit with good perspectives of happiness.