Guest Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Well, i still think you don't have to be a church member to speak up for a group of people who has gone through a lot as a whole. and by the way, i currently reside in AUSTRALIA.. maybe i go to AUSTRALIA HARVEST CHURCH? if there is one.. most funniest way of piecing information together. HAHA.. and by the way, the church is no longer functioning in Jurong. It is all in SUNTEC. For all that you've said, I don't see a clear denial from you such as "I am not a City Harvest Church member". Why the evasiveness? Do you, like Kong Hee and Sun Ho, have something to hide? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 and lets just say again that i have my sources which is pretty reliable.Why the evasiveness? Why should you expect anyone here to believe in your 'reliable sources' if you aren't even prepared to disclose them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 haha... you guys are funny. You trust all that news and tabloids say and you can't trust what i have to say.. just for the record and your EVASIVE bombardations, I AM by the way, i am not here to argue or prove a point. I m just standing for my family. Thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 The public deserves to find out the truth about Kong Hee and Sun Ho's alleged involvement in falsification and embezzlement of church accounts for personal gain.If Kong Hee and Sun Ho are innocent, they have nothing to fear from the police probe.Only guilty ones would be evasive and have something to hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 just for the record and your EVASIVE bombardations, I AM Thank you for finally being forthright.This is not an attack on your church family. This is a pursuit of the truth. The public, in addition to the church members, have a right to know the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 it was an accusation but everyone was discussing as though it was true.. i didn't say this. the postings has spoken.. sad eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 it was an accusation but everyone was discussing as though it was true.. i didn't say this. the postings has spoken.. sad ehRumours have been floating around for many years anyway. Treat this investigation by the Singapore Police Force as the ultimate test and audit of the accounts of City Harvest Church (and Kong Hee and Sun Ho). If they are innocent, their reputation will return unblemished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neutral Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Rumours have been floating around for many years anyway. Treat this investigation by the Singapore Police Force as the ultimate test and audit of the accounts of City Harvest Church (and Kong Hee and Sun Ho). If they are innocent, their reputation will return unblemished.Rumours have been floating around for many years anyway. Treat this investigation by the Singapore Police Force as the ultimate test and audit of the accounts of City Harvest Church (and Kong Hee and Sun Ho). If they are innocent, their reputation will return unblemished.Ok then, if the probe is still ungoing, then let it be. But pls don't turn it into some anti lashing christian etc...thingy. I m not from cityharvest church anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Erotictales Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Why would an interest in the CHC investigation be an anti-christian thing? That is absurd.If someone is a christian, and a major church in his country is officially under investigation for financial fraud, wouldn't it be in his religious interest that everything is made clear and public?Vice versa, to treat any interest in the case as persecution markedly implies the person himself acknowledges that there is skullduggery. And he is trying to hide it, by bringing out the worst possible accusation available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Rumours have been floating around for many years anyway. Treat this investigation by the Singapore Police Force as the ultimate test and audit of the accounts of City Harvest Church (and Kong Hee and Sun Ho). If they are innocent, their reputation will return unblemished.yeap... well said. If there is anything wrong with whatever we have done, it is good time to change and if there is nothing wrong, then its a good time as well, to say humbly that we meant no evil. The truth shall set us free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Why would an interest in the CHC investigation be an anti-christian thing? That is absurd. If someone is a christian, and a major church in his country is officially under investigation for financial fraud, wouldn't it be in his religious interest that everything is made clear and public? Vice versa, to treat any interest in the case as persecution markedly implies the person himself acknowledges that there is skullduggery. And he is trying to hide it, by bringing out the worst possible accusation available.Second that .Following the same logic, if I'm interested in a law case involving a gay guy, that will make me a huge homophobe? Utterly ridiculous.To cvbv1987 - There's nothing wrong with supporting your version of the truth, but you can't force it down people's throat, especially when there's no publicized evidence yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I am not from City Harvest Church and I am not a Christian.Here's my 2 cents - I hope that Sun Ho will be found INNOCENT so that she can return to the United States and continue making music like CHINA WINE!!!In China Wine, she just threw all caution to the wind. To hell with the criticism about her skimpy clothes, sexy dance moves and unintelligible lyrics! That's the way to capture imaginations and headlines baby!I recommend that she should do MORE of such videos. Show the world how she can continue burning up the stage a la Madonna with her hot and sexy dance moves baby!Just look at Fancy Free - it's less popular because it comes across as rather engineered - the positive lyrics, the energetic beat, the lack of controversy etc. Sun Ho should just say "to hell with what people think!" and just go all out, groove it up, shake her booty and have some fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Neutral Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Why would an interest in the CHC investigation be an anti-christian thing? That is absurd.If someone is a christian, and a major church in his country is officially under investigation for financial fraud, wouldn't it be in his religious interest that everything is made clear and public?Vice versa, to treat any interest in the case as persecution markedly implies the person himself acknowledges that there is skullduggery. And he is trying to hide it, by bringing out the worst possible accusation available.I am not against any probing. It's always gd and healthy to check on such mega churches. Just felt that some of the earlier posts are rather nasty in pg 2 and 3. Just cautioning in case some nasty bitching :twisted: starts again.Anyway there's really nothing to hide if they are really innocent until proven guilty.So let's wait for the result bah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playfulsg Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I am not from City Harvest Church and I am not a Christian.Here's my 2 cents - I hope that Sun Ho will be found INNOCENT so that she can return to the United States and continue making music like CHINA WINE!!!In China Wine, she just threw all caution to the wind. To hell with the criticism about her skimpy clothes, sexy dance moves and unintelligible lyrics! That's the way to capture imaginations and headlines baby!I recommend that she should do MORE of such videos. Show the world how she can continue burning up the stage a la Madonna with her hot and sexy dance moves baby!Just look at Fancy Free - it's less popular because it comes across as rather engineered - the positive lyrics, the energetic beat, the lack of controversy etc. Sun Ho should just say "to hell with what people think!" and just go all out, groove it up, shake her booty and have some fun!I do like China Wine Though... same as i like Lady Gaga's Judas and Katty Perry "Peacock"I think its a celebration of creativity, talent and freedom to express. And To have a colaboration with Wyclef Jean is really something that none of other Singaporean can do. I came from Indonesia. I wonder If there's any Indonesian who make it to US, doesn't matter whether she/he's a religioius person, I will support her/him.Ohhh... there's one Indonesian Pastor's daughter who join Miss Indonesia pageant, and Won First Place! She's so pretty, smart and good attitude. I like her much! Too bad she can't be a pop singer, though she can sing...Well, I consider myself a creative person. I just support anybody who dare to take a step and do something.“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” ― Theodore Roosevelt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gz69 Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I have stopped giving to the Church and to any charity. Just pissed off with the scandals. However, I do drop some money into the coin box at the Buddhist temple and just hope it is put to good use.Being pious can sometimes hid the devious mind within. Otherwise how can one explain why Catholic priests in USA and Europe have molested boys? And even in Spore, a Catholic priest was sent to jail for stealing from the Church. I am dismayed when Men of God have betrayed God and the believers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superflawless Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I agree. I have also stopped giving donations, especially if it is linked to the Church. Even the Salvation Army is a no-no for me. No need to donate to the enemy and give them ammunition to help them attack us PLUs.I only donate to Buddhist temples as I find them to be more welcoming towards us.It is wonderful to see secondary school students (they were in their school uniforms) going to temples to pray, without their parents.Perhaps there is hope for us all after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I agree. I have also stopped giving donations, especially if it is linked to the Church. Even the Salvation Army is a no-no for me. No need to donate to the enemy and give them ammunition to help them attack us PLUs.I only donate to Buddhist temples as I find them to be more welcoming towards us.It is wonderful to see secondary school students (they were in their school uniforms) going to temples to pray, without their parents.Perhaps there is hope for us all after all.hmm there is hope for everybody. don't say that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superflawless Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 hmm there is hope for everybody. don't say that 有些事你不必问，有些人你不比等。无可救药。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I am not from City Harvest Church and I am not a Christian.Here's my 2 cents - I hope that Sun Ho will be found INNOCENT so that she can return to the United States and continue making music like CHINA WINE!!!In China Wine, she just threw all caution to the wind. To hell with the criticism about her skimpy clothes, sexy dance moves and unintelligible lyrics! That's the way to capture imaginations and headlines baby!I recommend that she should do MORE of such videos. Show the world how she can continue burning up the stage a la Madonna with her hot and sexy dance moves baby!Just look at Fancy Free - it's less popular because it comes across as rather engineered - the positive lyrics, the energetic beat, the lack of controversy etc. Sun Ho should just say "to hell with what people think!" and just go all out, groove it up, shake her booty and have some fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sun Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Sun Ho's hit single, "Ends of the Earth" (2005) that made it to dance charts from Miami to Mumbai! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 I have stopped giving to the Church and to any charity. Just pissed off with the scandals. However, I do drop some money into the coin box at the Buddhist temple and just hope it is put to good use.Being pious can sometimes hid the devious mind within. Otherwise how can one explain why Catholic priests in USA and Europe have molested boys? And even in Spore, a Catholic priest was sent to jail for stealing from the Church. I am dismayed when Men of God have betrayed God and the believers.I think u left out Rev Ming Yi of Ren Chi. Now I dun give bcoz I dun want to be sucker anymore. Very discouraging.I m not interested in religion, just the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Sun Ho's hit single, "Ends of the Earth" (2005) that made it to dance charts from Miami to Mumbai!Miami to Mumbai... LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CL Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 I am from CHC. I think that kong Hee and sun ho are all guilty. The NDA will end in a few months and let's just see what explanation they give for the use of funds If you look at Kong's mentor, Yonggi Cho, he too is under some form of investigation and his own church elders bring a law suit against him. Members from chc went to give their statements to CAD and there are members waiting to hold class action lawsuits against that couple. Kong is a pathological liar-- just look at Casey Treat, Phil Pringle and his tweets for the korean prayer meeting at a stadium. Casey Treat says the audience is only 60,000, Phil: 80,000 and kong? 100,000. The focus is still on Sun and her singing.You should be wary of a man who inflates figures-- cause people are then just numbers to him and not human beings. And everyone knows about the affairs that happened for the LA mission trip and the >20 properties Kong Hee owns.Asking your own members to sacrifice while amassing properties for yourself? Thats greed at its best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 What's NDA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CL Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Non-disclosure agreement-- the members don't know the exact details of the suntec deal. In fact, the deal was sealed before asking the executive members etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Oh OK. Just googled "NDA Kong Hee" and read the following URL which explains the entire controversy over the CHC Board's S$310 million investment in Suntec:http://theonlineciti...ment-in-suntec/If I'm not wrong, though, the current police investigation into CHC-linked individuals and companies is unrelated to the Suntec investment. While I do not like to pre-judge, I have this weird feeling that the answer to many key questions (esp on the issue of finances, accounts, expenditure etc) lies with Sun Ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CL Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Just one example to show how one inflates:See how the SAME EVENT is blogged by 3 different people: http://yfrog.com/gzf8yzojhttp://twitpic.com/6zxnjphttp://lockerz.com/s/14691483160,000 and 100,000: big difference!!!Worst part is???The stadium can only sit 66,806 people. Talk about liars.http://visitkorea.or....jsp?cid=260215 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Ooops, Kong Hee pwned himself this time around. How to squeeze 100,000 people into a stadium with a seating capacity of 66,000+?Maybe the remaining 34,000 people were angels of God flying in the open air surrounding the stadium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stars Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 This creepy thing still open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 people who just love finding fault with other... HERE THEY ARE IN THIS FORUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Erotictales Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Don't pastors spend the bulk of their ministries condemning faults of others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Don't pastors spend the bulk of their ministries condemning faults of others?Yes, the homosexuals, the Buddhists, the Jews, the leprosy-ridden, the prostitutes, the AIDs sufferers, the non-believers... the list goes on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lungker Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Please people, kindly restrict your comments to the investigations of City Harvest Church.Do not let this thread turns into a flame war on the supposedly hypocrisies of the evangelical Christian sects.Read our posting guidelines on the main page if you are not sure.Be happy. Quote Please play safely! Use a condom if you are having anal sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CL Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Pointing out a lie is not fault finding. People have been cheated and have the right to voice out. Only blinded and servile people continue to live under their disillusioned state. Religion is not the issue here but a rogue leader who lies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gay Buddhist Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 people who just love finding fault with other... HERE THEY ARE IN THIS FORUMExactly. And you can know who these pple are in these threads. They have forgotten that all human regardless of religion and race are infallible and corruptible and hypocrites just like you and me too. Finger pointing, condemning, bitching is so common esp in gay circle whose greatest enemy are Christians, in this case they feel happy they can attack vehemously because a christian church has fallen short and start condemning all pastors, all christians, including gay christian bros and sisters.Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the probe but wait till the investigation is out. Don't you remember Shi Ming Yi's case? Are you to say that ALL monks and temples are also that clean and immaculate?Yes I am a hypocrite and a gay Buddhist, have been to many churches and have a lot of Xtian frds but they accept me as who I am, so attack me but I still want to have my say after reading this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Exactly. And you can know who these pple are in these threads. They have forgotten that all human regardless of religion and race are infallible and corruptible and hypocrites just like you and me too. Finger pointing, condemning, bitching is so common esp in gay circle whose greatest enemy are Christians, in this case they feel happy they can attack vehemously because a christian church has fallen short and start condemning all pastors, all christians, including gay christian bros and sisters.Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the probe but wait till the investigation is out. Don't you remember Shi Ming Yi's case? Are you to say that ALL monks and temples are also that clean and immaculate?Yes I am a hypocrite and a gay Buddhist, have been to many churches and have a lot of Xtian frds but they accept me as who I am, so attack me but I still want to have my say after reading this thread.One look at the last paragraph and it's obvious that you are a gay Christian pretending to be a Buddhist.There are some CHC churchgoers who are so unhappy about the fact that CHC is being discussed in BW, that they've resorted to mudslinging the "gay Buddhists" who they think are conspiring to defame CHC, and they've also complained to the moderator to intervene in this thread.Grow up. Anyone in Blowing Wind is entitled to pose questions about the ongoing police investigations against the CHC board, Kong Hee and Sun Ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 haiz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playfulsg Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 actually i don't know why many SGgay condemn this church. What CHC do wrong to you guys? I mean to gays?many other churches out there, but why CHC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Youku Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 actually i don't know why many SGgay condemn this church. What CHC do wrong to you guys? I mean to gays?many other churches out there, but why CHC?Many gays in Singapore condemn this church? Really?I don't know about that, but what I do observe is that most Singaporeans are... either neutral or not supportive of City Harvest Church in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playfulsg Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Many gays in Singapore condemn this church? Really?I don't know about that, but what I do observe is that most Singaporeans are... either neutral or not supportive of City Harvest Church in general.Ok my mistake.maybe not condemn lah... but dislike the church..sorry my language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xia xue Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Alright guys, check out the comments section of this video:Our very own blogging superstar Xiaxue posted this message:"OMG I am so embarrassed for Singaporeans!!!!!!!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 what is there to be embarrassed about? the true embarrassment is that we don't support our own people who has broke through. That is what should make a singaporean be embarrassed about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sun Wukong Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 what is there to be embarrassed about? the true embarrassment is that we don't support our own people who has broke through. That is what should make a singaporean be embarrassed about.What's there to be embarrassed about? Lots...The Geisha meets Sun Wukong lookThe cheesy and un-Christian lyricsThe nonsensical refrain ("In Asia where we come from, in Asia we say 一二三四五六七, 你好!!")The blatant sexualisation and objectification of minority womenThe subtle reference to post-coital sex (Tyson Beckford lying on the bed)...man, she makes a good case study for what not to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy.99 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 there is nothing wrong with religions, it is the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 what is there to be embarrassed about? the true embarrassment is that we don't support our own people who has broke through. That is what should make a singaporean be embarrassed about.Seriously..... Thumbs up for her trying to cash in on sex appeal but she is abit over age for sexy young black hip hop girlies.Her MV stereotypes Asian women. What's with the sword practice scene, another Lorena Bobbit in the making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 2003 Sars period...我有买...好听也, 小寒的词也好啊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 对不起... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 What's there to be embarrassed about? Lots...The Geisha meets Sun Wukong lookThe cheesy and un-Christian lyricsThe nonsensical refrain ("In Asia where we come from, in Asia we say 一二三四五六七, 你好!!")The blatant sexualisation and objectification of minority womenThe subtle reference to post-coital sex (Tyson Beckford lying on the bed)...man, she makes a good case study for what not to do.you must be a christian who needs to grow up big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvbv1987 Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Seriously..... Thumbs up for her trying to cash in on sex appeal but she is abit over age for sexy young black hip hop girlies.Her MV stereotypes Asian women. What's with the sword practice scene, another Lorena Bobbit in the making?why don't you go and do a better job then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 you must be a christian who needs to grow up big time.LOL.First it was denying you were a CHC member.Then you admitted but quickly moved to accuse the "gay Buddhists" of having an agenda.Now you're clutching at straws, accusing Sun Ho's critics of being a Christian who "needs to grow up big time".This modus operandi is uncannily similar to the evasive diversionary tactics deployed by Josie Lau and her gang of bitches during the AWARE saga.Do all Singaporean upper-middle class English-educated Christians behave like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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