Steve5380 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 8 hours ago, singalion said: Wouldn't be that extreme. Note that I wrote " a stranger ". That is, a person one sees for the first time outside the door of one's home. Not that extreme is to first meet the person, in a gay bar, sauna, gym, etc., and then if there is interest and he inspires confidence, invite the guy to your home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youdoyou Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 On 5/22/2025 at 3:33 AM, Steve5380 said: Note that I wrote " a stranger ". That is, a person one sees for the first time outside the door of one's home. Not that extreme is to first meet the person, in a gay bar, sauna, gym, etc., and then if there is interest and he inspires confidence, invite the guy to your home. It’s a gamble either way. You could meet someone in a public place once, twice, many times, and think, ok he seems legit so let’s go back to my place. And then something like this happens. The robber could play the long game as long as he gets what he wants. So the extreme case would be not to meet anyone at home at all, or as someone else said, go to a sauna. But not everyone is willing or likes going to a sauna, so there’s that. The point is, there’s always a risk one way or the other. I usually go with my gut feeling, and turn down a hook up even if the guy is really hot (which happened during a recent holiday cos something felt off). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, youdoyou said: It’s a gamble either way. You could meet someone in a public place once, twice, many times, and think, ok he seems legit so let’s go back to my place. And then something like this happens. The robber could play the long game as long as he gets what he wants. So the extreme case would be not to meet anyone at home at all, or as someone else said, go to a sauna. But not everyone is willing or likes going to a sauna, so there’s that. The point is, there’s always a risk one way or the other. I usually go with my gut feeling, and turn down a hook up even if the guy is really hot (which happened during a recent holiday cos something felt off). You are right that the risk never goes completely away. But it is lower if we first get an in person knowledge of the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Malaysian police arrest more than dozen men in raid of ‘gay party’ Published Jul 17, 2025, KUALA LUMPUR – The Malaysian authorities arrested more than a dozen men in the north-eastern state of Kelantan in June during a late night raid of a “gay party”, a police official said on July 17. Homosexuality is a crime in Muslim-majority Malaysia, and rights groups have warned of growing intolerance towards lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. Kelantan state police chief Mohd Yusoff Mamat said the police arrested 20 men after responding to a public tip-off and conducting surveillance of a rented property in the state capital Kota Bharu in June. “During questioning, they admitted to being part of a gay group,” he told a press conference. Mr Mohd Yusoff said although the authorities found no evidence that sexual activities had occurred during the gathering, the police discovered condoms and HIV medication on the premises. The police charged three of the men for possession of homosexual pornographic material on their mobile phones, Mr Mohd Yusoff said. But the authorities could not prosecute the other men as there were no specific laws or physical evidence to charge them with, he added. “We are worried about such behaviour... We will continue to monitor the movement of gay groups,” he said. The LGBTQ community has faced increasing scrutiny in Malaysia, where sodomy is a crime and Islamic sharia laws are in place banning same-sex acts and cross-dressing. The multi-ethnic, multi-faith country has a dual-track legal system with Islamic laws for Muslims running alongside civil laws. The authorities halted a music festival in 2023, after the frontman of British pop band The 1975 kissed a male bandmate onstage and criticised Malaysia’s anti-LGBTQ laws. In 2018, two women were caned in a courtroom watched by dozens of people after they were convicted of attempting lesbian sex. Rights groups Justice for Sisters and Amnesty International said LGBTQ content accounted for almost half of all banned publications in Malaysia between 2020 and May 2025. REUTERS https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysian-police-arrest-more-than-dozen-men-in-raid-of-gay-party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Civil groups clarify Kelantan event was HIV medical outreach not ‘gay sex party’, slam police’s conduct during raid Saturday, 19 Jul 2025 10:48 AM MYT KOTA BHARU, July 19 — A coalition of civil society groups has urged Kelantan police to revise their statement on a June 2025 raid of an alleged “gay sex party” here, which they explained was in fact a health outreach event. The groups, led by transgender rights advocacy group Justice for Sisters, said media reports following the raid resulted in harmful and stigmatising remarks that have intensified fear among lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) individuals seeking health services. “Contrary to the allegation that the event was a ‘gay sex party’, it was actually a health event,” the groups said in a statement. “In keeping with the goals of the event, it provided sexual health and HIV-related information, condoms, and voluntary testing to promote safer sexual health practices.” It said the event provided HIV-related information, condoms, voluntary testing, and health talks with doctors, running from 8pm until around midnight. The coalition said all attendees tested negative in police-conducted urine tests, and no evidence of sexual activity or promotional content on social media was found. Three individuals were arrested over personal intimate content on their phones, which the groups described as trumped-up charges. They highlighted that such events target hard-to-reach populations, as identified by the Ministry of Health, and are vital to national AIDS eradication goals. The coalition said the police’s public statements were stigmatising, including unnecessary disclosure of HIV status and harmful suggestions about HIV medication. They also alleged human rights violations during the raid, including degrading treatment and privacy breaches, which have deterred victims from seeking redress. “Justice for Sisters has documented a range of human rights violations by the police during the raid, including violations of privacy as well as degrading and humiliating treatment of the attendees. “We are also deeply concerned by the lack of ability of the event organisers and the detainees to speak up and seek redress due to concerns over backlash by the police and the state government,” they said. Concern was also raised over the perceived regression in police practices, which previously avoided disrupting health services for marginalised groups. The statement was endorsed by over 25 organisations and individuals, including Amnesty International Malaysia, PT Foundation, Centre for Independent Journalism, Women’s Aid Organisation, and medical professionals. https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2025/07/19/civil-groups-clarify-kelantan-event-was-hiv-medical-outreach-not-gay-sex-party-slam-polices-conduct-during-raid/184443 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 MOH affirms event in K'tan raided hours after was NGO health programme Published: Jul 22, 2025 The Health Ministry has affirmed that an event in Kelantan last month that has been the subject of controversy was indeed a health outreach programme by an NGO focusing on HIV, which it supported. However, the ministry made no comments regarding the police raid. https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1300387998125509&id=100044629620319 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) I will change the sequence tomorrow. This is before the above post.. Overly zealous police in Kelantan got it all wrong Police defend raid as NGOs dispute LGBT event claims July 19, 2025 KOTA BARU: Kelantan police chief Datuk Mohd Yusoff Mamat today said the raid on a gathering involving over 100 individuals from the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community was based on strong evidence. "Let them say what they want, but we the police have the evidence that led to the operation," he said in a brief WhatsApp message to the New Straits Times. Mohd Yusoff's remarks come after a coalition of 31 non-governmental organisations (NGOs) and individuals rejected police claims that the mid-June raid targeted a "gay sex party". They insisted that the event was, in fact, a legitimate HIV awareness and health outreach session. In a joint statement yesterday, the coalition dismissed the police's narrative surrounding the raid in Kota Baru last month, which had been widely reported in local media. They said documentation by Justice for Sisters (JFS) clearly contradicted the police's version of events. "Contrary to allegations that it was a 'same-sex sex party', the programme was actually a health event," the statement said. "It provided sexual health and HIV-related information, condoms, and voluntary testing to encourage safer sexual practices." The event, which began at 8pm, included a health talk conducted in collaboration with healthcare providers, including doctors. By midnight, the programme was winding down, although around 20 participants were reportedly still at the venue awaiting their test results. Meanwhile, JFS called on the police to correct misinformation related to the alleged "gay party". "We urge Kelantan police to verify the accuracy of the information shared with the media about the raid on the alleged gay party in June 2025," the group said. "The incident drew swift and discriminatory remarks against LGBT people from both state and non-state actors, fuelling fear of further discrimination, violence and marginalisation." JFS maintained that its own documentation painted a vastly different picture from that presented by police. "Among the key inaccuracies was the allegation that the event was a 'gay sex party' — in reality, it was a health-focused initiative." The statement also clarified that none of the attendees were there to provide sexual services. "Participants were present to access sexual health information and testing. The claim that they paid to attend the event is false — it was a free, community-based health initiative aimed at increasing access to healthcare for marginalised groups." JFS further disputed police claims that the event was promoted on social media. "This too is inaccurate," it added. Edited August 4 by singalion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve5380 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 On 8/4/2025 at 8:57 AM, singalion said: Malaysian police arrest more than dozen men in raid of ‘gay party’ This police action is such an aberration! It contradicts the idea that Malaysia is a gay-tolerant country. And all this has its roots in the Sharia law! A law that has absolutely no other justification than the malevolence, evil, homophobia of some people in the old history of Islam. There is nothing DIVINE behind it. Because more recent evidence reveals that the whole religion of Islam was fabricated centuries after the Prophet allegedly created it. Islam is one of the religions with the strongest evidence that it is a fantasy. But I should not speak bad of Malaysia nor its religion. Because my country the United States has a government that is infinitely more evil than the one in Malaysia, and its religion, MAGA, is the revolting creation of it's Devil, the current US president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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