Population Of Singapore Discussion (Compiled)

[Guest NSP]

It is impossible to expect any opposition parties to come up to speed and become a government over 5 years. For that, we can only thank some people for their habit of bringing down any opposing people through litigation suits in the past. Even though we are supposed to be a democratic society, our path to democracy has only just begun. Even the Americans did not start off with two equally capable political parties at the beginning. There was one dominant party at the beginning, and then it failed, giving the other party to infiltrate. We have only just begun on our path from monarchy to democracy now.

And it is absolutely necessary to limit the number of foreigners in this country. But it is not the number of maids or waiters whom we should be limiting, but those foreign PMETs who are here taking up our jobs now.

did you not read again what's the feeling on the ground? All the complaints about pinoy and PRC low wage workers being rude and arrogrant towards Singaporeans? Only Nicole Seah dare to bring this matter up when she said something like "whenever I take the mrt I feel I am in another country"! That sums up our feelings.

[EasleyLim]

again its all about money and being kiasu! What is so wrong about being a kampong again? Kampong has peace, children are children and neighbours help each other! Once again paint a typical PAP style story we hear again and again that we will fail if we don't ....! Buay tahan!

This is not an all or nothing situation, we don't have to give up decades of progress to change the landscape of Singapore. You may want simple life of a kampong but not everyone wants that. I don't want to live in a kampong and be a farmer all my life. We CAN have a civilized society without burning everything to the ground. Your response is completely irrational.

[Guest Guest]

again its all about money and being kiasu! What is so wrong about being a kampong again? Kampong has peace, children are children and neighbours help each other! Once again paint a typical PAP style story we hear again and again that we will fail if we don't ....! Buay tahan!

We cannot go back to our kampong roots. It is not about the money. It is about our future generations, our nieces, our nephews. It is also not about bringing in foreigners to forge our future for us. It is about bringing in foreigners to provide us the opportunities to do it for ourselves, and it is definitely not about bringing in the foreigners to compete for us the opportunities. We want foreigners to come in to do the jobs we do not want (waiters, maids etc). We want foreigners to come here to set up offices so that we have jobs to do. What we don't want are foreigners coming here to set up offices so that they can bring in MORE foreigners to take up our spaces, instead of offering us those job opportunities.

[Guest Guest]

So many of you thinks the white paper 2030 I'd fundermentally right? Lol.

[Guest End]

To locals who are Pro Singapore. We must be realistic about the changes we hope to achieve.It is very hard to made living conditions/environment back into the way it was like the late 80s to early 90s because of economic factors and damage to our social fabric,it will take time. And also POPULATION WHITE PAPER is the mother of all policies blunders,we Singaporeans are now facing the biggest crisis of our lifetime now. Let our friends and families know the seriousness of this matter, if this policy get pass through we all can kiss our NATIONAL IDENTITY goodbye. The native citizens will make up of less than half the total population in 2030. In 3 generation time true blue Singaporeans whether one is Malay/Indian/Chinese will almost be extinct. This is one terrifying scenario I don't want to see it come true.

[Guest BuayTahan]

To locals who are Pro Singapore. We must be realistic about the changes we hope to achieve.It is very hard to made living conditions/environment back into the way it was like the late 80s to early 90s because of economic factors and damage to our social fabric,it will take time. And also POPULATION WHITE PAPER is the mother of all policies blunders,we Singaporeans are now facing the biggest crisis of our lifetime now. Let our friends and families know the seriousness of this matter, if this policy get pass through we all can kiss our NATIONAL IDENTITY goodbye. The native citizens will make up of less than half the total population in 2030. In 3 generation time true blue Singaporeans whether one is Malay/Indian/Chinese will almost be extinct. This is one terrifying scenario I don't want to see it come true.

thank you for agreeing with me! The pursuit of money and material comforts has clouded many Singaporeans mind.

[Guest Guest]

But it is not the number of maids or waiters whom we should be limiting, but those foreign PMETs who are here taking up our jobs now.

Correct correct correct! The blue collar ones will do the jobs that we shun, eg. wash toilet, sweep roadside, spray pesticides etc. If cheng hoo wants to do the country good, they should send back the white collar ones and retain the blue collar ones. But cheng hoo dont want these blue collar ones, and they start to tighten on this category. They want the pmets so that they can offer them PR & eventually citizenship, in return they vote for them. They are placing their own self interest above the country's.

The white collar ones are the trouble makers. They take away our jobs. Look around and u will also find foreign property agents & insurance agents. U mean we have shortage of singaporean agents? Only 3 year old will believe their bullshits.

If u examine the quota system, they are more liberal with the pmets than the blue collar ones. Now the hawker centres are dirty dirty because the cleaning company has difficulty hiring foreigners and locals shun such jobs.

Too much la, Me too, i also buay tahan.

[Guest End]

We cannot go back to our kampong roots. It is not about the money. It is about our future generations, our nieces, our nephews. It is also not about bringing in foreigners to forge our future for us. It is about bringing in foreigners to provide us the opportunities to do it for ourselves, and it is definitely not about bringing in the foreigners to compete for us the opportunities. We want foreigners to come in to do the jobs we do not want (waiters, maids etc). We want foreigners to come here to set up offices so that we have jobs to do. What we don't want are foreigners coming here to set up offices so that they can bring in MORE foreigners to take up our spaces, instead of offering us those job opportunities.

We may not be able to return to our kampong roots but we can preserve our "Kampong Spirit" in our journey toward progress help one another along the way, leave no one behind. As long we believe in being united we can made it through the highs n lows of life. Our grandparents once did it,we can do it too. This is the legacy our forebears left for us, a Singapore that belong to all of us not a singapore that belong only to some of us. Don't let our forebears efforts down the drain,don't let our lives be lived in vain.

[Guest Guest]

So many of you thinks the white paper 2030 I'd fundermentally right? Lol.

On the contrary, I suspect there is only one guest and one foreigner on this thread who think the white paper is right. Almost every other one of us think that it is wrong.

[Guest IloveSH]

This is not an all or nothing situation, we don't have to give up decades of progress to change the landscape of Singapore. You may want simple life of a kampong but not everyone wants that. I don't want to live in a kampong and be a farmer all my life. We CAN have a civilized society without burning everything to the ground. Your response is completely irrational.

you are wrong! Time after time, we singaporeans are rejecting pap"s brand of money materialistic GDP at all cost policies! We are fed up with sky high prices of food, houses, transport, cars, everything. Singaporeans want singapore back! We can't stand the education system where kids are now so stressed! Kids need to be kids and not math wizards as age 7! We are living hand to mouth working very very long hours for what? We Singaporeans want the simple life. You must be blind and deaf to all the noise as your senses is stuffed with $ bills!

[Guest Guest]

you are wrong! Time after time, we singaporeans are rejecting pap"s brand of money materialistic GDP at all cost policies! We are fed up with sky high prices of food, houses, transport, cars, everything. Singaporeans want singapore back! We can't stand the education system where kids are now so stressed! Kids need to be kids and not math wizards as age 7! We are living hand to mouth working very very long hours for what? We Singaporeans want the simple life. You must be blind and deaf to all the noise as your senses is stuffed with $ bills!

Progress is important. But that doesn't mean that it has to be progress with a hard life. Look at other first world countries. They work half as hard as us, but they enjoy life twice as much as we do. Progress and quality of life is definitely not an either-or situation.

[Guest 蒲眉蓬]

we Singaporeans are now facing the biggest crisis of our lifetime now. Let our friends and families know the seriousness of this matter, if this policy get pass through we all can kiss our NATIONAL IDENTITY goodbye. The native citizens will make up of less than half the total population in 2030. In 3 generation time true blue Singaporeans whether one is Malay/Indian/Chinese will almost be extinct. This is one terrifying scenario I don't want to see it come true.

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[dannysuz]

Correct correct correct! The blue collar ones will do the jobs that we shun, eg. wash toilet, sweep roadside, spray pesticides etc. If cheng hoo wants to do the country good, they should send back the white collar ones and retain the blue collar ones. But cheng hoo dont want these blue collar ones, and they start to tighten on this category. They want the pmets so that they can offer them PR & eventually citizenship, in return they vote for them. They are placing their own self interest above the country's.

The white collar ones are the trouble makers. They take away our jobs. Look around and u will also find foreign property agents & insurance agents. U mean we have shortage of singaporean agents? Only 3 year old will believe their bullshits.

If u examine the quota system, they are more liberal with the pmets than the blue collar ones. Now the hawker centres are dirty dirty because the cleaning company has difficulty hiring foreigners and locals shun such jobs.

Too much la, Me too, i also buay tahan.

The white collar FTs are the real problem to us but is too late to resolve. Some of FTs are already in the top management and they have the tendency to employ their own country people. So no choice, you have to try very very hard to win his heart. Why must I employ a singaporean if I can get a better one in overseas ? Think about it !!!

Those problem you see from the FWs are only for short while but you have to face the nasty & arrogant FTs for years if you need salary.

Lastly, be cool. To have your ideal Singapore with low cost and good housing, transport, education and etc, who will pay for it and where is the money come from ? Who create the high cost ? People with complaint and high expectation. This is a 因果.

[Guest IloveSG]

The white collar FTs are the real problem to us but is too late to resolve. Some of FTs are already in the top management and they have the tendency to employ their own country people. So no choice, you have to try very very hard to win his heart. Why must I employ a singaporean if I can get a better one in overseas ? Think about it !!!

Those problem you see from the FWs are only for short while but you have to face the nasty & arrogant FTs for years if you need salary.

Lastly, be cool. To have your ideal Singapore with low cost and good housing, transport, education and etc, who will pay for it and where is the money come from ? Who create the high cost ? People with complaint and high expectation. This is a 因果.

I must be made law that any MNC who wish to open office in singapore, its top management must be Singaporeans. And all staff must be Singaporeans unless no locals want it, than can employ foreigners provided its within the 100k foreigners quota. But if a true blue Singaporean want that Jon that foreigner is holding, without question must be given to that Singaporean.

[Firday]

i dun think by 2030 can reach the target due to

1. Limited Land

2. Water Supply

3. Transportation and other

4. Super cramp...

[ctr77]

On the subject of foreign workers. Last year NTUC admitted that they went to China 4 times to hold job fairs there in order to encourage people to move and work here. You can conduct an employment drive for people here, but no, you don't want. Instead you spend so much more money to go to China and do something grand there to bring people here. And they talk about the term "foreign talent", what talent does it take to pack a supermarket shelf? Don't tell me you can't find Singaporeans to do these jobs? What is the point of the government trying to encourage private employers to do something (hiring locals) that even the government refuses to do?

Don't even get me started on the Tripartite Alliance for Fair Employment Practices, of which NTUC is a founding member.

[Guest Guest]

So basically you want Singapore to be another Malaysia lah. Malaysia also have this kind of law and look where it has gotten them. All their malay citizens are so lazy and stupid! Because of their laws, they think they dont have to work for anything and gahmen will give them. We don need this kind of thing in our Singapore tks.

In case you are not aware, such a quota system is already strictly enforced in USA, UK, Australia and every first wold country. In fact, in all these countries, companies must give really good justiications why they need to hire foreigners. While it is a tough call to only allow locals sitting in top management positions since these guys need to be here to set up shop in the first place, I see no reasons why we shouldn't strictly limit the number of foreigners PMETs here, like what the other first world countries are doing.

[monochrome]

So basically you want Singapore to be another Malaysia lah. Malaysia also have this kind of law and look where it has gotten them. All their malay citizens are so lazy and stupid! Because of their laws, they think they dont have to work for anything and gahmen will give them. We don need this kind of thing in our Singapore tks.

I suggest you or the mods delete this before someone files a police report. We don't need another Amy Cheong, much less on a gay forum when we're already facing a lot of homophobia from other Singaporeans. Don't forget that all our IP addresses are recorded.

Secondly, have you actually met Malaysian Malays? I have. While studying abroad, I have met many Malaysians of all colours all of whom are extremely hardworking and takes pride in their work. Singaporeans and Malaysians tend to stick together when removed from our homes. When I asked them about the bumiputra policies, the most common retort was that it mostly benefits those with connections to UMNO and not the ordinary Malays. Why do you think many of them are now voting for the opposition parties which want to dismantle the policies?

In case you are not aware, such a quota system is already strictly enforced in USA, UK, Australia and every first wold country. In fact, in all these countries, companies must give really good justiications why they need to hire foreigners. While it is a tough call to only allow locals sitting in top management positions since these guys need to be here to set up shop in the first place, I see no reasons why we shouldn't strictly limit the number of foreigners PMETs here, like what the other first world countries are doing.

Thirdly what the guest says is right. In every developed western country, priority is always given to their own citizens first, and that should be the minimum our government is doing. Now, while the Malaysian government may have benefits for the bumiputras, they STILL treasure their Chinese and Indian citizens first over foreigners. Can't say the same for Singapore.

[monochrome]

I think one of the government's flawed assumptions with regards to the 2030 white paper is that wages across asia from China to India to Indonesia and Philippines are rising. Not to forget that they are also churning out more and more graduates every year. By that time, the wage gap would've closed a little more, and factor in living costs like rental etc, foreigners might just prefer to work in their own home countries than in Singapore.

So where are we going to get all this labour from in that scenario? Africa? Latin America? Eastern Europe?

[dannysuz]

I must be made law that any MNC who wish to open office in singapore, its top management must be Singaporeans. And all staff must be Singaporeans unless no locals want it, than can employ foreigners provided its within the 100k foreigners quota. But if a true blue Singaporean want that Jon that foreigner is holding, without question must be given to that Singaporean.

This is exactly how Dubai work for their local people. Every business setup need a local sponsor. Those govt related jobs are for local people only. For singapore, this is too late, Singapore FTs will not change the policy to their disadvantage. Our labour law is not strong. Can you sue your employer for not employ you because you are Singaporean ?

[Guest 永春门副帮主]

On the subject of foreign workers. Last year NTUC admitted that they went to China 4 times to hold job fairs there in order to encourage people to move and work here. You can conduct an employment drive for people here, but no, you don't want. Instead you spend so much more money to go to China and do something grand there to bring people here. And they talk about the term "foreign talent", what talent does it take to pack a supermarket shelf? Don't tell me you can't find Singaporeans to do these jobs? What is the point of the government trying to encourage private employers to do something (hiring locals) that even the government refuses to do?

Not only NTUC. SIA did the same.

SIA went to India to recruit Indian Nationals as cadet pilots!

SIA went to Malaysia to recruit Malaysians as cadet pilots!

SIA went to Hong Kong to recruit Hong Kees as cadet pilots!

The ab-initio training cost for each person is about S$310,000. Imagine, SIA pumped into massive amount investment for these foreigners to snatch local-born Citizens' job! [Read post right click]

SIA went to China/Malaysia/Japan to do cabin-crew recruitment million times! Wow... beautiful Mainlander Chinese/Japanese/Malaysians as Air Steward/Stewardess. [Read post right click] While our poor local born Citizens have to step-aside for them.

Those who can't enter SIA as a pilot/cabin crew, the reason should be clear by now.

Good job SIA! Well done! :clap:

[dannysuz]

On the subject of foreign workers. Last year NTUC admitted that they went to China 4 times to hold job fairs there in order to encourage people to move and work here. You can conduct an employment drive for people here, but no, you don't want. Instead you spend so much more money to go to China and do something grand there to bring people here. And they talk about the term "foreign talent", what talent does it take to pack a supermarket shelf? Don't tell me you can't find Singaporeans to do these jobs? What is the point of the government trying to encourage private employers to do something (hiring locals) that even the government refuses to do?

Don't even get me started on the Tripartite Alliance for Fair Employment Practices, of which NTUC is a founding member.

I like to NTUC because I can buy product made in Singapore or packed in Singapore as I believe that NTUC create jobs for Singaporean. Now, very disappointed with NTUC. They gave up their market share to Seng Song and all products in Seng Song are made in malaysia... so who suffer at last!!!

[dannysuz]

Not only NTUC. SIA did the same.

SIA went to India to recruit Indian Nationals as cadet pilots!

SIA went to Malaysia to recruit Malaysians as cadet pilots!

SIA went to Hong Kong to recruit Hong Kees as cadet pilots!

The ab-initio training cost for each person is about S$310,000. Imagine, SIA pumped into massive amount investment for these foreigners to snatch local-born Citizens' job! [Read post right click]

SIA went to China/Malaysia/Japan to do cabin-crew recruitment million times! Wow... beautiful Mainlander Chinese/Japanese/Malaysians as Air Steward/Stewardess. [Read post right click] While our poor local born Citizens have to step-aside for them.

Those who can't enter SIA as a pilot/cabin crew, the reason should be clear by now.

Good job SIA! Well done! :clap:

Now you know why the service standard is dropping. No 爱国如家. "if I am FTs, why must i work so hard for SIA as SIA is not my country airline. I will hope that my country airine will overtake SIA. Afterall only two years, who care ".

[ctr77]

I think one of the government's flawed assumptions with regards to the 2030 white paper is that wages across asia from China to India to Indonesia and Philippines are rising. Not to forget that they are also churning out more and more graduates every year. By that time, the wage gap would've closed a little more, and factor in living costs like rental etc, foreigners might just prefer to work in their own home countries than in Singapore.

So where are we going to get all this labour from in that scenario? Africa? Latin America? Eastern Europe?

This has already happened. I read an article somewhere last year that said that the more educated and capable PRC workers no longer wish to come here to work because wages in China have risen, and wages in Singapore have fallen, such that they are now at par with each other.

The article further said that these people now wish to go to Japan and South Korea to work, where wages are 5 times higher than in China.

So since the educated, capable, and talented PRCs have gone elsewhere, what sort of PRCs are we getting here now?

The uneducated? The incapable? The untalented? And yet they get jobs easier here than the more educated, capable, and talented Singaporeans!

Oh tell me, where is the logic?

[Guest 蒲眉蓬]

I must be made law that any MNC who wish to open office in singapore, its top management must be Singaporeans. And all staff must be Singaporeans unless no locals want it, than can employ foreigners provided its within the 100k foreigners quota. But if a true blue Singaporean want that Jon that foreigner is holding, without question must be given to that Singaporean.

Good proposal. I have that in mind too!

I am afraid Singapore Gov't has thousands excuses for your suggestion,

[Guest 蒲眉蓬]

This has already happened. I read an article somewhere last year that said that the more educated and capable PRC workers no longer wish to come here to work because wages in China have risen, and wages in Singapore have fallen, such that they are now at par with each other.

The article further said that these people now wish to go to Japan and South Korea to work, where wages are 5 times higher than in China.

I have read that article too. Not entirely true.

So since the educated, capable, and talented PRCs have gone elsewhere, what sort of PRCs are we getting here now?

The uneducated? The incapable? The untalented? And yet they get jobs easier here than the more educated, capable, and talented Singaporeans!

Oh tell me, where is the logic?

NTU/NUS/SMU are churning them out! You do not have to worry. Look at these local Universities, more than half of students are foreigners.

Free scholarships for them! They no need to pay a single cent! :clap:

At one time, many NAFA graduates (from Mainlander China) got S'pore PR within 2 weeks! Many Ngee Ann Polytechnic graduates scholars (from Mainlander China and Burmese) were automatically given PR! WOW.... :clap:

Our mighty already Gov't doing this.

[Guest End]

I grew up believing in my people, even now I have never lost faith in ourselves despite the constant jibes n taunts from others. Used to wonder why some nations are able to build up big companies that are known through out the world such as Korea-Samsung,Lg etc but singapore can't.Now I realise it the mentality n environment of a place that enable it to happen. Even if our population increase to 6.9 m or beyond I don't think things will change, we will most likely still be an unhappy lot. Things can only change if we as a collective consciousness rewire our mentality. Singaporeans must unite n have faith in ourselves in order to have a better tomorrow.

[MobyDick]

Are we against the idea of having 6.9mil population, or the idea of increasing foreigners to hit 6.9mil?

The rising cost of living is a concern. Our annual increment can barely match the inflation. I cannot imagine when I can retire and if i can live comfortably (assuming I am rarely sick), since I need to support my aging parents. Even for married couple with kids, they need to support the kids. If they are unlucky, they may have to pay for the kid's housing.

They should limit the no. of FTs per coy depending on the nature of the industry. We can employ foreigners as waiters, bus drivers, etc. but some of the customer service needs improvement. I have non-asian colleagues from overseas/ visitors who thought they are locals.

[Guest G]

PRC complains to the press!

[Guest Guest]

Good proposal. I have that in mind too!

I am afraid Singapore Gov't has thousands excuses for your suggestion,

You are right. In fact, the government claimed that they have already restricted the number of passes that allow the PMETs to come into Singapore. But those rejected applicants will just go for a lower tier pass to come in. So, even though the number of Employment Pass holders has decreased, the number of S-Pass holders has increased even more significantly.

[Guest Guest]

The white collar FTs are the real problem to us but is too late to resolve. Some of FTs are already in the top management and they have the tendency to employ their own country people. So no choice, you have to try very very hard to win his heart. Why must I employ a singaporean if I can get a better one in overseas ? Think about it !!!

Those problem you see from the FWs are only for short while but you have to face the nasty & arrogant FTs for years if you need salary.

Last time my company's IT head who is chew hoo charbor deliberately employ Malaysians to fill up vacancies in her department because she said she doesn't like it if a singaporean male staff goes on ICT for 3 whole weeks. The whole department all malaysians. She could do that because EP got no quota whereas WP or SPass got quota. U say fair or not lor?

Aiya those workers their working hours very long one. Some, especially construction ones even work on sundays, Many of them one month rest only one day. Weekends also work. They live nearby workplace so that they can walk to workplace & save transport expenses. And for those construction ones, company will arrange big big lorry to fetch them. They where got jam up MRT? Maybe only like sundays where they go mustafa or chinatown.

And they live in those cram cram type of accomodation where 6-10 people squeeze into one room with double deck beds. They where got make HDB price go up? Maybe some will rent hdb, but garment don't like this group, so most of them will usually not be invited to apply for PR or citizenship, so cannot buy hdb.

They usually won't bully locals, rather it is we who will bully them. I find that they are being wrongfully targetted by singaporeans. It is those white collar ones who will jam our MRT, buy hdb & call us dogs & rotten. Those are the ones that i hate most. Amy cheong la, sun xun la, the swollen lips china undergrad & the pinoy at seagate. Some members posted that pinoy at seagate is cute, aiyo i almost vomit out.

[Guest Guest]

i dun think by 2030 can reach the target due to

1. Limited Land

2. Water Supply

3. Transportation and other

4. Super cramp...

They want to hold onto their 80+ seats, they don't care one la, U cram is your business, hdb price increase they benefit what, u cannot squeeze into mrt, they will tell u its not a question whether can squeeze in or not, it is whether u ownself want to squeeze in or not. if they care about all these at the outset, we won't suffer today already. The worst thing is to take train during peak timing. I deliberately walk right to the end, still cannot get in. Sometimes must wait for 2 or 3 to pass. Cannot tahan man.

[Guest Guest]

Singapore should cut off all ties with china and pinoys. What do you guys think. I think this one swift step will solve many social ills we are facing.

[Guest Guest]

You are right. In fact, the government claimed that they have already restricted the number of passes that allow the PMETs to come into Singapore. But those rejected applicants will just go for a lower tier pass to come in. So, even though the number of Employment Pass holders has decreased, the number of S-Pass holders has increased even more significantly.

Bluff people one. They say restrict, but no one can check whether they really restrict or not. They produce their own statistics, no one verify their figures. I still see them issuing EPs. My philipino ex colleague just got his citizenship, but the chew ren are not citizens.

[Manbane]

Every weekend there is jam in town. So many road accidents n road constructions happening...it's damn irritating as it is. I cannot imagine when we add another 1.6m population. Enough is enough,I am so fed up.

[Guest guest]

Every weekend there is jam in town. So many road accidents n road constructions happening...it's damn irritating as it is. I cannot imagine when we add another 1.6m population. Enough is enough,I am so fed up.

tell me about it! I hate it on weekends that town is always filled with foreigners! How can we enjoy our family time out where we Singaporeans have to queue for everything in town! This is my country! I have the right to be served first before foreigners. Foreigners should be banned from places like orchard road on weekends as we Singaporeans need our weekends for family bonding. Singaporeans must be served first always, foreigners and tourist must be given a swipe rate queue and be allowed only if a Singaporean was Already served.

[Guest 蒲眉蓬]

Bluff people one. They say restrict, but no one can check whether they really restrict or not. They produce their own statistics, no one verify their figures. I still see them issuing EPs. My philipino ex colleague just got his citizenship, but the chew ren are not citizens.

Gov't will still be giving PR and Citizenship to aliens! The actual figure of immigrants will not be disclosed. Too sensitive.

白皮书already fixed. It will "die-die" pass through in the parliament no matter what. Argue until pig climb tree in all forums also no use. Internet discussion only allow us to vent the anger.

Do you think Gov't listen to its own Citizens?

We'll see what it will happen in Year 2013! :clap:

[FSL019]

A lot of Singaporeans who currently have property with 20 to 30 year loans, relying on jobs that are tied to free trade and business friendly policies will be killed by the suggestions. This really reminds me of Greece...

The truth is the rich can emigrate anywhere they want. The poor became poorer because there is now no foreigners but there is also no jobs... The middle class suffers the most because they are the people I mentioned in the first paragraph.

I think the real issue is that more Singaporeans are slipping behind in income growth relative to inflation... This is something the government be it PAP or WP must handle. Having more flats at subsidize rates is needed. Helping the poor more is needed to make ends meet is needed. Inflation of food and other basic need prices have to be kept in check Flattening the income gap is needed. Creating suburb economy is needed.

[Guest 蒲眉蓬]

Every weekend there is jam in town. So many road accidents n road constructions happening...it's damn irritating as it is. I cannot imagine when we add another 1.6m population.

10 years ago, not many cyclists. More Mainlander Chinese came in and so cyclists number grew tremendously!

Tampines being itchy backside, built a cycling town to cater these cyclists.

In China, Chinese cyclists have their own cycling lane.When everybody starts cycling in Singapore, eventually took up the pedestrian walking pavement.

I cannot imagine when we add another 1.6m population. Enough is enough,I am so fed up.

Your "enough is enough" no use. Gov't will not listen to its Citizens.

This is my country! I have the right to be served first before foreigners. Foreigners should be banned from places like orchard road on weekends as we Singaporeans need our weekends for family bonding. Singaporeans must be served first always, foreigners and tourist must be given a swipe rate queue and be allowed only if a Singaporean was Already served.

Who don't want this?! Your idea is good but 作你的春秋大梦!

Singapore Gov't wanted to tell the world that this country is fair. Fair here fair there. Gov't will tell you right in your face that everybody must be equal.

NUS/NTU/SMU is one typical example of uncontrollably unfairness. [click here] Foreign students must be here to bring up NUS/NTU/SMU world class Universities ranking. (Ask the Gov't) I do not think Gov't will stop the foreign students coming in and allowing local born Citizens to come in.

If Singapore can come with 1st Class Citizens (dark pink I/C) and 2nd Class Citizens (light pink) to differentiate Citizenships, that will be good. Like that, 1st Class Citizens (dark pink I/C) get preferential and/or priority treatments.

[Guest 蒲眉蓬]

The truth is the rich can emigrate anywhere they want. The poor became poorer because there is now no foreigners but there is also no jobs... The middle class suffers the most because they are the people I mentioned in the first paragraph.

Good!

FYI. A friend of mine (used to work with a Gov't stat board), he told me that tons of Singaporeans migrated to Australia somewhere before year 2000. (can't remember).

Amazingly huge number! Singapore Gov't did not disclose! Local Chinese population dropped drastically.

[ctr77]

Good proposal. I have that in mind too!

I am afraid Singapore Gov't has thousands excuses for your suggestion,

Here we have it, a quote from the white paper:

4. Foreign workers enable businesses to expand quickly and flexibly during economic booms. They also buffer Singaporean workers from job losses during downturns.

So... having more foreigners helps prevent Singaporeans from losing their jobs during downturns.

If you want to lie, at least lie properly, and smartly.

[Guest Guest]

So... having more foreigners helps prevent Singaporeans from losing their jobs during downturns. If you want to lie, at least lie properly, and smartly.

Nonsense!!!! During downturns, companies purge out locals while retaining PRs & foreigners. I seen it with my own eyes a number of times, nothing can be more convincing than that. This is far from truth. Contrary to this statement, foreigners expedite and facilitate Singaporeans' job losses. Everyone has eyes to see.

It is important to distinguish between 'worker' and 'pmet'. Also PRs are not locals, but they always lump together and refer as "singaporeans/PRs". Make people blood boil.

[Guest Neh Neh]

That Guess and Pu Neh Peng are very likely politician. They definitely have a political agenda here. I wonder why they choosing to make anti social harmony commends her in gay forum strange.

[Guest Guest]

That Guess and Pu Neh Peng are very likely politician. They definitely have a political agenda here. I wonder why they choosing to make anti social harmony commends her in gay forum strange.

Not only people in blowing winds are commenting, straight singaporeans, uncles aunties in coffee shops & every where are commenting. By your definition, there will be many "politicians with political agendas" everywhere in singapore.

A very unpopular member called gstc82 keeps attacking some political parties. Again by your definition, he will be considered a politician with political agendas.

Base on your logic, similar comments appearing in hardware zone will also be "strange" because hardware zone is a IT/computer forum, not a political forum.

Again base on your logic, people here should not talk about investments, movies, colourful chinatown because it is strange as blowing wind is gay forum & these topics are not directly gay related.

People here feel helpless and we can only vent frustrations here. If we have political agendas, we would have joined our preferred political parties instead of venting anger here. Your comments are definitely not constructive at all and are meant to provoke and offend the 2 members that u targeted.

[ctr77]

Nonsense!!!! During downturns, companies purge out locals while retaining PRs & foreigners. I seen it with my own eyes a number of times, nothing can be more convincing than that. This is far from truth. Contrary to this statement, foreigners expedite and facilitate Singaporeans' job losses. Everyone has eyes to see.

It is important to distinguish between 'worker' and 'pmet'. Also PRs are not locals, but they always lump together and refer as "singaporeans/PRs". Make people blood boil.

Agreed. My statement above was a lame attempt at sarcasm towards the white paper.

But seriously, the government must think that the people of Singapore are idiots, because the white paper is full of contradictions and things that just don't agree with common sense. The example above about "foreigners preventing Singaporeans from losing jobs" is one.

The other one is this:

"Foreign workers can provide skills and expertise, as well as market knowledge and access, to enable Singapore-based companies to create new products and penetrate new markets to serve the region and beyond."

So, Singaporeans can't provide skills and expertise? Then what are our universities teaching? What is A*STAR doing? What is the whole research district at one-north for?

and this:

"Foreign workers help to create the right balance of skilled and less-skilled workers in the overall workforce. As Singaporeans upgrade themselves into higher-skilled jobs, more of the lower-skilled jobs will have to be done by foreigners."

Look at what is going on currently. As Singaporeans upgrade their skills to a higher level, they are still competing against the same foreigners at that higher level that they were at the lower skill level. The dream that Singaporeans fill higher-skilled jobs and foreigners fill lower-skilled jobs is but a dream.

In our reality the foreigners fill the higher-skilled jobs and the lower-skilled jobs.

It isn't as if we don't know all this already, so the government must really take us for fools if they think they can explain their way, make excuses, and lie like this in the white paper.

[Guest Guest]

just don't agree with common sense.

ctr77, i suggest u read Dr Teo's paper on software, and u will be very impressed with how he could explain the situation. Alex questioned some points and a few days later, he got a lawyer's letter.

Enjoy reading it

[dannysuz]

They are Doctor. They talk through their ass hole and assuming that nobody is able to smell it. They are already rich. Why do they need to concern about those poor and waste their $$ brain cell ?

[Guest Guest]

They are Doctor. They talk through their ass hole and assuming that nobody is able to smell it. They are already rich. Why do they need to concern about those poor and waste their $$ brain cell ?

This doctor, his doctorate is not in colecteral. I think is building estate management. What u describe is more applicable on the doctor at punggol. That one is a medical doctor specialise in colecteral. He is able to anal-yse things well. Would u like an anal-ysis from him? hahahahhaha...... Some ajs find him cute u know? Cute so what.

[Guest Guest]

The Indians from India are already invading all the RCs and IACs and soon will be standing for election.

Just note how all those who take up PRs or citizenship have only daughters and no sons.

99% of them return to India once the sons are up for NS registration.

Of course they love the PAP as their only dream is to bring all their relatives from India to Spore. But no NS, please.

The are a plague on our society as all the ailments pulling down India will be imported into SG - first and foremost their corruption.

[Guest Guest]

Don't forget the PRCs too, importing their culture of non-peaceful protestation into Singapore.