[News] Britain votes to break with EU: BRExit

[HendryTan]

http://news.asiaone.com/news/world/britain-votes-break-eu-national-media

 

UK Media are calling the result of the referendum: BRExit Leave Won. ie UK will exit EU.

 

 

[abang]

With the pound getting a lashing, BRExit means less AMDK is coming here..

Sobbing.

 

 

[Vometra]

Good for Britain.

EU is a anachronistic autocracy run by fat bureaucrats and anglophobes anyway.

Blame it on Merkel who tried to force the refugees on other European countries. The east Europeans are already making noise and playing hardball with this issue.

[lonelyglobe]

still not 100% confirm right as not all counting are in yet....but ya, the EU is a joke to start with and now if UK successfully exit, more countries will want to follow their path, it is going to be a big collapse of the whole system

[Guest Meh]

Let them leave.

 

They are still clinging to their imperial British Empire days. That means they want to live in the past. Their science, arts, football, fashion have to stayed almost static.

That's the problem with a welfare state, they have no sense of competition, talk big in their pubs and spend hours talking again and again about their glory days. After wasting so much time, how to be productive? That's how British hooliganism and xenophobia grew and grew.

 

Wait till they revert back to their inglorious 1970s days when they spiral into poverty before someone knocked some senses into their heads.

[Guest Against Brexit]

It's almost a done deal now.... Brace ourselves for another GFC Impact to the world economy with lots of uncertainties that wil result in market crashes, currency drops and property downfall!

Cameron ought to be shot for this outcome when he could have made the decision to stay. Blood is now on his hands! 

[lonelyglobe]

日落了。。。日不落帝国

 

[Guest Brex]

Will it affect property prices in Singapore?

[Guest AMDKRules]

Economy already bad enough means more AMDK will be coming to snatch high paying jobs which will always be given to them by the western mindset local bosses.

[Guest Meh]

I would agree that the EU are being too naive to accept those refugees. 

 

If the ME and other Muslim countries created this problem then let them solve it themselves. Letting somebody else solve it for them then they don't see the problem. Later on when there are social problems created in the West, they blame it on the West.

 

In the meantime, they themselves turn a blind eye to those minorities who preach hatred, which they don't see that their silence is seen as consent. This same silence and inaction is the indirect cause of the refugee problem. They don't see the need or too afraid to fight for freedom of speech but the violent and religious nuts see the chance to gain power. So who will win this silent conflict?

 

The only solution is to help the apathetic Muslims organise and get their voices heard. Let the problem remain and remind them of indirect logic instead of the easy rhetoric logic of the intolerant Muslim minorities blaming it on the others. This blaming game is already happening in Malaysia if you follow the politics there about the hudud laws. This will slowly lead to worse things.

[lonelyglobe]

16 hours ago, Guest Brex said:

Will it affect property prices in Singapore?

depends on how serious is the spin off effects but at least for those paying housing loan, is a good relief as the federal reserve will postpone the interest rate increase

[Vometra]

1 hour ago, Guest Meh said:

The only solution is to help the apathetic Muslims organise and get their voices heard.

 

There's a reason why these "apathetic muslims" are called apathetic. Kinda like "silent majority"

The "vocal minority" is just that, vocal and proactive.

 

It's kinda sad that a group of backward looking people is dragging everyone down. The spectre of Islamic terrorism and the refugee crisis are precipitating the rise of the right and the authoritarian state, the villainisation and ridicule of the liberal/left (and a rollback of all the advances that are accomplished, including LGBT rights; even the LGBT supports Trump now), Brexit and maybe the breakup of the EU and NATO. While countries like Russia are milking the crisis for all it's worth, hoping the east European countries will fall back into orbit around Russia. The civilized world and humanity are going backwards because of these people.

Edited June 24, 2016 by Vometra

[Guest MEEPOK]

Prime Minister, David Cameron, announced that he will be resigning as UK's Prime Minister. The question will be what does the future holds for UK with #BREXIT and the resignation of the Prime Minister?

[Guest Meh]

3 hours ago, Vometra said:

 

There's a reason why these "apathetic muslims" are called apathetic. Kinda like "silent majority"

The "vocal minority" is just that, vocal and proactive.

 

It's kinda sad that a group of backward looking people is dragging everyone down. The spectre of Islamic terrorism and the refugee crisis are precipitating the rise of the right and the authoritarian state, the villainisation and ridicule of the liberal/left (and a rollback of all the advances that are accomplished, including LGBT rights; even the LGBT supports Trump now), Brexit and maybe the breakup of the EU and NATO. While countries like Russia are milking the crisis for all it's worth, hoping the east European countries will fall back into orbit around Russia. The civilized world and humanity are going backwards because of these people.

That is why history always repeat itself, the meek ones never learn to stand up for freedom till it is lost and the hawks start the wars.

The meeks always hope that by giving in even when the religious rights were wrong, then the religious rights will bring harmony. But the way of bullies is always to take a foot when given an inch. The religious right has tons of religious demands from their holy books. Given one, they'll open up the books and ask for next. The logic is that last time they can be given why not now. That's how the hudud laws are being played now.

 

Maintaining religious harmony is a correct principle but the greater principle of any humanity is Human Rights and Dignity. When there's need to choose what is right, do the right thing otherwise they'll use the double edged sword of religious harmony to start wars.

[Guest AMDKMentality]

4 hours ago, Jason Chee said:

Prime Minister, David Cameron, announced that he will be resigning as UK's Prime Minister. The question will be what does the future holds for UK with #BREXIT and the resignation of the Prime Minister?

 

Just what the Brits did when Japanese invaded Singapore, they ran away! That's tells a lot about AMDK mentality.

[Guest AbandonedShip]

[lonelyglobe]

is quite complicated....he is the one who promise a national voting in 2015 if he win in that election which he did but now he is also the one who strongly vote for a stay in EU and the voting show otherwise, so I suppose he do not have a choice but to leave since he had loose in this political gamble....

[Guest Guest]

5 hours ago, Guest AMDKRules said:

Economy already bad enough means more AMDK will be coming to snatch high paying jobs which will always be given to them by the western mindset local bosses.

Can pay them $4 per hour and work  6 days week with 30 mins lunch break ! They are always welcome in this part of the world to accept this type of pay , if they are not willing , there are millions willing to get $3 per hour with no breaks !! 

[lonelyglobe]

is a shame that these local bosses still have this western mindset that they are better, in fact a lot of local are equally qualify and willing to work longer and produce better results....

[Guest NoWay]

26 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Can pay them $4 per hour and work  6 days week with 30 mins lunch break ! They are always welcome in this part of the world to accept this type of pay , if they are not willing , there are millions willing to get $3 per hour with no breaks !! 

 

No way AMDK in the right mind would come from a far away land with that kind of pay, they will choose to be unemployed in the UK and get the welfare!

 

 

[Guest Guest]

7 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

still not 100% confirm right as not all counting are in yet....but ya, the EU is a joke to start with and now if UK successfully exit, more countries will want to follow their path, it is going to be a big collapse of the whole system

 

The EU was a great concept to start off in the past, but it became more of a parasitic relationship rather than a symbiotic relationship, with stronger countries supporting the weaker ones. This is very similar to our system here, where the flood of foreign trash comes into the country, robbing off our jobs. To think that Britain can tolerate it for so long was in itself a miracle, and the fact that the welfare system keeps the people happy enough for a while. But I guess it has already gotten to the breaking point now.

 

Now with Britain opting to go, more will bound to follow, including Germany and France, with Merkel facing the same fate as Cameron.

[Guest Guest]

[Guest Blog]

How did this referendum come about, anyone knows?  Was it a promise that Cameron made during the election campaign if he won.

[upshot]

It will be a rocky start-up but it will be the right move moving forward and they will come back stronger and being an island away from main europe.. they have a natural barrier to fight off the wayward refugee situation. Paris might be next if their opposing political party wins... another BIG BROTHER with deep pockets who is sick of paying the way for poorer EU nations and muslim migrant problems  to jettison maybe soon.

German under that silly EQ instead of IQ woman leadership will be hard hit being the main deep pocket that the others will look to for money.

Edited June 25, 2016 by upshot
typo and added depth

[mith]

it's a dilemma for me.... i supported THE UK leaving THE EU.... and happy for Britain now that it has become reality, but i also lost a lot of money when the stock markets crash.....

well, that's life!  

Edited June 24, 2016 by mith

[Guest Guest]

This is such a good read. Compare the situation there and what we have now.

 

How did UK end up voting to leave the European Union?

 

Decades of Euroscepticism and ministerial rebellion led to Britain’s self-ejection from a union that voters never fully embraced.

 

Britain’s self-ejection from Europe is the culmination not just of four months of heady campaigning but four decades of latent Euroscepticism, which, through good times and bad, never really went away.

 

Campaigners have agitated for EU withdrawal ever since the UK joined the common market in 1973. Labour’s official policy for the next decade was to quit, and a sizeable proportion of Conservatives have never been comfortable Europeans.

 

The issue hounded John Major’s premiership, lay dormant through the Tony Blair years before rearing its head once again as the economy turned sour at the end of the last decade.

 

David Cameron was keen to move his party away from “banging on about Europe” after he became leader. But once in Downing Street, he found it impossible to resist pressure from his backbenchers to call a poll as the idea of leaving the EU gained wider traction in the country with the rise of Ukip, populist rage against remote elites and discontent about immigration.

 

Brexit, a term coined in 2012 before becoming mainstream political currency last year, moved from being a niche obsession to a victorious, mainstream political movement.

Backbench bravado

As prime minister, Cameron tried to throw his restless Eurosceptic backbenchers enough red meat to keep them happy – like withdrawing from the centre-right federalist EPP group in the European parliament.

 

However, this would never be enough for the right of the Conservative party – from Iain Duncan Smith to John Redwood – who would stop at almost nothing to free the UK from what they see as rule by Brussels, even at the expense of tearing apart their party.

 

Cameron’s troubles began as it became clear that the 2010 intake of Tories was more Eurosceptic than the last, as they set about applying pressure for a referendum from the outset.

 

As early as October 2011, David Cameron realised he was facing years of trench warfare with Eurosceptic backbenchers after 81 Conservative MPs supported a referendum on Britain’s membership in the largest postwar rebellion on Europe. John Baron, the Tory MP for Basildon and Billericay in Essex, was one of the ringleaders with a letter from 100 colleagues demanding a referendum on the EU in July 2012.

 

Cameron thought he had scored a Margaret Thatcher-style victory when he vetoed a rise in the EU budget later that year, but the episode appeared to inflame anti-Brussels feeling. In December of that year, Boris Johnson publicly called on Cameron to attempt to renegotiate Britain’s relationship with the EU before calling a referendum.

 

10 hours ago, Guest Blog said:

How did this referendum come about, anyone knows?  Was it a promise that Cameron made during the election campaign if he won. (so here's your answer)

 

The prime minister finally committed to an EU vote in January 2013 with what has become known as his Bloomberg speech, promising to renegotiate and then call a referendum by the end of 2017. Those familiar with his thinking at the time say Cameron had what was, in hindsight, an overoptimistic belief that he could lance the boil of Tory Euroscepticism by making such a promise.

It was also unlikely he would ever have to call such a poll because the Conservatives did not believe they would win an overall majority and could rely on the Lib Dems to veto the plan, like they did before 2015. However, Cameron’s victory last year, partially on the back of the promise of a referendum, meant there was no turning back.

The migration factor

Polling suggests discontent with the scale of migration to the UK has been the biggest factor pushing Britons to vote out, with the contest turning into a referendum on whether people are happy to accept free movement in return for free trade.

Public unease has been fuelled by a failure to prevent immigration from piling pressure on jobs markets and public services, and a refusal by politicians to acknowledge the sheer numbers of Europeans making new homes in the UK after the EU’s expansion east in 2004 and 2007.

Cameron promised before the 2010 election to bring migration down to the tens, not hundreds, of thousands. However, his failure to live up to his promise, repeated in 2015, has undermined trust in his leadership and contributed to a sense that UK politicians are powerless to lower migration from the EU.

 

The leave camp tried to make the arguments for Brexit more about the economy and sovereignty than immigration, but quickly found that “taking back control” over immigration was the most resonant message. They also linked immigration to shortages of primary school places, difficulty in getting a GP appointment, and depressed wages.

Elite and aloof

The other force that welled up during the campaign was a wholehearted distaste for the thing that Brussels had become in the 40 years since Britain last voted in a referendum on its place in Europe.

 

The UK has never voted on being part of the EU, which was formed at the time of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 and expanded its remit from an economic community to include foreign affairs, justice and policing.

The leave camp argued that Brussels has been on a mission to expand its powers and sought further political integration, which is far removed from what the UK originally voted for. Voters appear to have decided that this was their one chance to leave a union they never particularly embraced and did not consent to in the first place.

 

It should not be forgotten that the referendum came at a time when populist revolts against elites were gaining momentum, from Eurosceptic parties in France, Germany, Austria and Scandinavia to Trump’s brand of Republicanism in the US. The leave campaign has throughout painted the EU and Brussels officials as a hotbed of unaccountable political elites who were not democratically voted by the British people.

 

Despite MEPs being elected and leaders on the EU council each having their own mandates, it has become a tenet of Euroscepticism that the union is too remote from the people it is governing. Brexit campaigners frequently cited the “five presidents” of Europe, who they claimed no one had ever heard of, and pointed out that the unelected European commission proposes laws that end up passed by the parliament.

 

It hardly helped that the remain campaign was steered by almost the entire political establishment, with David Cameron, George Osborne and every living UK former prime minister from Tony Blair to John Major lining up to warn that leaving would be a terrible thing.

The Ukip factor

Cameron might never have called the referendum had it not been for the rise and rise of Nigel Farage and Ukip. By January 2013, when the prime minister called the EU vote, Ukip had started to gain traction in local elections and was polling in double digits for the first time. There was a feeling that several Tory backbenchers could defect if Cameron failed to heed their calls for a plebiscite.

Even after promising the referendum, Farage managed to gain millions of votes in the 2015 election, many of them in Labour areas as well as Conservatives. His frequent media appearances also helped cement a link between immigration and the EU in the public mind, preparing the ground for leave’s successful referendum campaign long before it officially kicked off.

Too little, too late

David Cameron overplayed his hand on EU reform when he raised hopes that he might be able to curb free movement in an FT article in November 2013. He aimed high but quickly had to water down what he was seeking from other EU leaders who were not prepared to open up the fundamental principle.

 

Realising his error, the prime minister then tried to make the issue about limiting benefits for migrants, rather than restricting numbers. His final negotiation, announced in February, came back with a ban on migrants getting full benefits for four years after arriving with no detail about how the tapering system would work.

Cameron tried to make the best of his renegotiation, hailing it as a major success that he got the 27 other member states to agree. However, the process ended up cementing the impression that Brussels was inflexible and unwilling to make big concessions to keep Britain in the union.

Boris Johnson and Michael Gove for leave

When the two political big beasts and friends of Cameron came out for Brexit, it gave a huge boost to the leave campaign. Brexit had previously been caricatured as an obsession of very rightwing Conservatives and Ukippers but Johnson and Gove legitimised the push for leaving the EU.

 

Both highly articulate and savvy media performers, they made it more of a fight between equals against Cameron and Osborne. Johnson’s personal popularity seemingly across many different sections of society may also have made a difference as he crisscrossed the country in a battlebus selling a better Britain outside of the EU.

 

Matters were not helped by equivocating on the part of Labour, whose leadership never looked truly comfortable campaigning with Cameron, and some of whose traditional support has drifted off towards Ukip in the belief that it will address concerns about immigration more robustly than metropolitan Labour MPs.

[doncoin]

Well, the British economy will start to lose over the next few years. Investment dollars will flow to the US and Asia, particularly to Singapore. Singapore will replace the UK as the #2 financial centre of the world. We have all the infrastructure to do so. So the economy will be to our advantage. 

 

Other EU members will start to question the viability of the union, and some countries may follow UK's steps and vote to leave. Europe is going to experience some economic downturn. 

[KENZ]

Gosh it seems that many British voters were busy googling "what is the EU" hours AFTER voting 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

 

haha don't worry you voted rightly LOL, in the very words of our late LKY Back in 2012 "No, I do not view the European Union as an inspiration for the world. I view it as an enterprise that was conceived wrongly because it was expanded too fast and it will probably fail."

 

[xLeviathan]

 

[Guest Blod]

8 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

This is such a good read. Compare the situation there and what we have now.

How did UK end up voting to leave the European Union?

6

This is another good read: 8 reasons why the LEAVE won the UK's referendum on EU

 

Let the outcome be a warning to you know who.

 

 

 

 

 

[Vometra]

2 hours ago, Guest Blod said:

Let the outcome be a warning to you know who.

 

Won't happen here one. Sinkies very easy to scare one. And our new citizens/PRs population is so high now, true blue sinkies won't make much difference anyway.

[Guest Brexit]

Stupid of Cameron to put this important decision to the population to decide! I bet you half the voters don't understand world economy and implications of exit......

this wont happen here or in China! 

[Guest Free]

I felt so happy for Britian. They have finally unloaded a huge burden.

[Guest Exit]

1 hour ago, Guest Free said:

I felt so happy for Britian. They have finally unloaded a huge burden.

 

Somewhat agreed.  UK no longer need to use her tax payers monies to bill out badly managed economy like Greece and Spain.  Also, no need to abide by EU immigrant policy where jobs were taken away from the British people.  Now, UK can trade freely with countries like Russia, Iran and Syria where sanctions were imposed by EU.   

[doncoin]

We are already seeing capital flight in the UK. Pound is down, financial companies are planning to leave the UK, and job losses is bound to happen. Like I've said earlier, the money will flow into the US, and Asia. Since China's economy is cooling, most money will likely flow to Singapore, and Singapore is poised to take over London as #2 financial center in the years to come. 

 

UK is now experiencing bregret. I think there is a lesson for Americans here for those leaning to vote for Trump. Careful with your vote. It counts.

[bluerunner]

Apparently, there are many ppl who did not know what they are voting?! Scary to have blind "faith follower". Classic example at its best. Sad. 

Edited June 26, 2016 by bluerunner

[Guest Blog]

Have some fun reading the winners and losers in Brexit.

Skip the video on boring John Key.

[upshot]

8 hours ago, bluerunner said:

Apparently, there are many ppl who did not know what they are voting?! Scary to have blind "faith follower". Classic example at its best. Sad. 

I think if you understand the bell curve effect you will know it happens in all matters in life. Just the change in the shape but it is always a bell curve heh

 

Brexit is a good move. A scary one but a good one. The world has we know it is not ready for diversity just yet. Not all the pieces are in place for it. There is still a big piece with a backward ideology that is refusing to get the full picture and they are slow to the starting block. If you can not beat out or change this one, diversity will always be a stumbling block attempt that is doom to fail.

Edited June 26, 2016 by upshot

[dexter9898]

The scary part is that racism has started in Britian.

 

https://m.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/albums/10101369198638985/

Edited June 26, 2016 by dexter9898

[Guest Guest]

7 minutes ago, dexter9898 said:

The scary part is that racism has started in Britian.

 

https://m.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/albums/10101369198638985/

 

And the politicians and foreigners here label us Singaporeans to be xenophobic? They should really go to Britain now and have a taste of the medicine there.

[Guest Pension loss]

Those people who voted out purely Bec of immigration issue will now see their pension money suddenly halved overnight..... Don't think they thought of that..... Cameron can still right the wrong by getting Parliament to vote against exit. 

[Guest Guest]

5 minutes ago, Guest Pension loss said:

Those people who voted out purely Bec of immigration issue will now see their pension money suddenly halved overnight..... Don't think they thought of that..... Cameron can still right the wrong by getting Parliament to vote against exit. 

 

Cameron resigned already. Right what?

[Guest Yes he can]

Not until Oct... A few month more to right the wrong.... How can he live with himself for causing so much damage to the country! 

[Guest Adam]

23 hours ago, doncoin said:

We are already seeing capital flight in the UK. Pound is down, financial companies are planning to leave the UK, and job losses is bound to happen. Like I've said earlier, the money will flow into the US, and Asia. Since China's economy is cooling, most money will likely flow to Singapore, and Singapore is poised to take over London as #2 financial center in the years to come. 

 

UK is now experiencing bregret. I think there is a lesson for Americans here for those leaning to vote for Trump. Careful with your vote. It counts.

 

First, UK leaving EU may not necessarily be a bad thing.  The initial years may not be easy, but once they have got their backyard sorted, the British may reap the benefits of having more economic/political sovereignty. 

 

As for Spore, though there might be benefits, but it will not be as much as u think.. At present, NYC and London dominate the world financial activities, with HK and Spore a distant 3rd and 4th. Even if London's importance may diminish in the short term, the real benefactors of London's misfortune are NYC and Frankfurt.  HK and Spore's fates are linked to China and Asean.  And by the way, Spore's financial sector does not has as much breadth as NYC and London, still a long way to go.

[doncoin]

3 minutes ago, Guest Adam said:

 

First, UK leaving EU may not necessarily be a bad thing.  The initial years may not be easy, but once they have got their backyard sorted, the British may reap the benefits of having more economic/political sovereignty. 

 

As for Spore, though there might be benefits, but it will not be as much as u think.. At present, NYC and London dominate the world financial activities, with HK and Spore a distant 3rd and 4th. Even if London's importance may diminish in the short term, the real benefactors of London's misfortune are NYC and Frankfurt.  HK and Spore's fates are linked to China and Asean.  And by the way, Spore's financial sector does not has as much breadth as NYC and London, still a long way to go.

 

I agree that in the short term things are going to be tough for the UK. Basically, things such as Free Trade that was negotiated under the EU umbrella, now has to be negotiated individually with every country, including Singapore, the USA etc., that the UK intends to do business with, and those may take years before the agreement is signed. Obviously, even simple things like tourist visa requirements need to be signed as separate agreements with individual countries. 

 

A lot of capital will flow to North America first and Asia after I think, given their geographic positions from Europe. Keep in mind, that China holds about 25% of US' national debt. So even if the capital flight does not go into China directly, and to the US, China still benefits. Singapore's stability as a financial hub and experience in the industry will benefit in the long run. 

[Guest Guest]

25 minutes ago, Guest Adam said:

 

First, UK leaving EU may not necessarily be a bad thing.  The initial years may not be easy, but once they have got their backyard sorted, the British may reap the benefits of having more economic/political sovereignty. 

 

As for Spore, though there might be benefits, but it will not be as much as u think.. At present, NYC and London dominate the world financial activities, with HK and Spore a distant 3rd and 4th. Even if London's importance may diminish in the short term, the real benefactors of London's misfortune are NYC and Frankfurt.  HK and Spore's fates are linked to China and Asean.  And by the way, Spore's financial sector does not has as much breadth as NYC and London, still a long way to go.

 

12 minutes ago, doncoin said:

 

I agree that in the short term things are going to be tough for the UK. Basically, things such as Free Trade that was negotiated under the EU umbrella, now has to be negotiated individually with every country, including Singapore, the USA etc., that the UK intends to do business with, and those may take years before the agreement is signed. Obviously, even simple things like tourist visa requirements need to be signed as separate agreements with individual countries. 

 

A lot of capital will flow to North America first and Asia after I think, given their geographic positions from Europe. Keep in mind, that China holds about 25% of US' national debt. So even if the capital flight does not go into China directly, and to the US, China still benefits. Singapore's stability as a financial hub and experience in the industry will benefit in the long run. 

 

I think both of you forgot something important. What exactly is your quantification of "short term'" and "initial years" her? 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, or 10 years? I think, even if they reverse the referendum now, the damage and the confidence loss will not recover within the next 3 to 5 years now.

[doncoin]

4 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 

I think both of you forgot something important. What exactly is your quantification of "short term'" and "initial years" her? 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, or 10 years? I think, even if they reverse the referendum now, the damage and the confidence loss will not recover within the next 3 to 5 years now.

 

For me, I think 3-5 years is short-term, based on current situation of Brexit. Picture it this way. If all goes according to Brexit, Scotland and Northern Ireland may leave the UK, and become independent. Wales too may vote to leave. Thus leaving England by itself, which would be a relatively tiny country. 

[Carpenter]

 

[upshot]

We do remember that this union was not set up long.. 2009? what did you think before PRE-EU was like? Was it that long ago?  Was London in dire problematic then? Did they benefit much from it or after joining they become more a ATM machine for all the poorer and money managing failures who tap on the bigger richer EU members every time they run out of money? Leave the EU ia like going back to the old days.. with every change to a new way or back to an old way, changes is always scary as human are like that and many are slow to change even if there are those among us that are more progressive and forward thinking. Right or wrong, that ink has yet to dry. But there are problem looming that is so dire that it can not be denied even if politicians turn a blind eye to it but if you say the older generation are voting for it then you have to at least see why with their maturity they still want to see change happen. This would be a case study that we all can learn from... whatever the outcome.

[Guest Freedom]

I am still feeling very happy for British people.  They have chosen a new lease of life that will bring peacefulness back to their country.