GE2020

[Guest no more democracy]

35 minutes ago, Guest harp harp said:

someone else wrote here, you should stop harping on those 20,000 new citizens. 

 

Same goes for this fear mongering on a 6.9 population in 2030 as to the population white paper, because the balance from 5.6 million to 6.9 won't be new citizens but the biggest part being Foreigners. Foreigners are not eligible to vote for any elections. After they are converted to PR and then to citizen, they are eligible

 

This is why the electorate for parliament is only 2.5 mil citizens (balance to the total Singaporeans made of kids below voting age, and those who lost voting rights). 

 

Logically, a 20,000 to 30,000 increase in citizens per year doesn't have any decisive power in voting results in Singapore. 20-30k is one percent. 5 years = 5%. Enough for them to win back aljunied. It definitely have a significant impact

 

This would only be the case for one voting area if all new citizens live in one single constituency and assuming all vote for one party. BUT THEY DON'T. Obviously you fail your mathematics. We are talking about percentage. These 20-30k citizens obviously will be spread throughout singapore, but they do have an impact on each consituency. Please don't try to hoodwink people with your flawed mathmatical logic. And I can assure you, they will vote for PAP

 

Stop repeating such falsehoods over and over. 

 

For sure it's not the fault of new citizens for one party having won over and over the elections in Singapore. For sure, it is, they definitely have a significant impact

 

Please blame your true blue fellow Singaporeans on this result! A fraction of True blue singaporeans are to be blamed, this one i will agree with you.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Statistics aside, I still feel that new citizens should be barred from voting in elections unless they have stayed for at least 10 years here. Otherwise the norm would be to vote for the "most secure" option yeah?

 

And I also feel that Mr Pritam's worry is not invalid. This year may really be a change - snow white everywhere over SG. Then they'll continue to tweak the policies and laws even more and I'm not surprised if very soon you'll start seeing POFPA, POFBRO, POFSIS coming up.

[G_M]

1 hour ago, Guest Cute Youtuber FJ234 said:

Terence Soon looks like a Taiwan youtuber FJ234 Josh

 

 

Same goes for you @averageguy you think you post as guest and limpeh will not find out?

 

You want you account to be banned like @Since u r here and permanently be a guest?

[G_M]

Any more idiots who post nonsense will get their account suspended!

[Guest harp]

On 6/28/2020 at 2:15 PM, Guest no more democracy said:

Sure 1% of new citizen does not make up for true blue Singaporeans. For the true blue singaporeans, some will vote for PAP, some vote for opposition, some are swing voters. But 1% increase each year adds up to their votes, and this makes a big difference between victory and defeat. For your info, true blue singaporeans does not total 3m. It's only 2m plus. 

 

I pass my maths. Unfortunately, you are not able to distinguish between increment and base quantity. 

 

You are right, 2/3 of them are malaysian chinese. U should talk to them more. I dare to bet with you, most of them vote for PAP. It is natural, and not their fault. The fault lies with PAP who open flood gates in uncontrolled fashion. Do u know how easy it is for malaysian to get PR and then citizenship?

 

On 6/28/2020 at 2:19 PM, Guest no more democracy said:

correct lor. There is no logic in his argument. I don't know how he pass his maths. Those new citizens votes makes a hell lot of difference. if not for new citizens, perhaps they would have lost 1 or 2 more GRC in 2011. That is why they are so adamant in not restricting "foreign talent". Now are are already inching towards 6m. In 2011, I remember it was only 5.2m.

 

First and all you paint a picture as if for every election there won't be any new "true blue" voters. Please read up how many new voters having reached voting age there are now. 

 

Then you compare this number with the new citizens per year. 

 

In the lowest win in 2015 election for the majority party was East Coast GRC with a 60.73 win (second lowest win after Punggol East SMC), all other won constituencies above 70% win. 

 

Please explain to everyone how a 1% increase in new citizens in one year or 5 % in new citizens in 5 years had made any decisive impact in the 2015 election? 

 

And please explain how this resulted in a win (or loss for the opposition) caused by new citizens. 

The numbers just don't make up. 

 

For every constituency it would be 1 % compared to 90% true blue voters. 

 

Repeating this truly wrong assumption on new citizens and blaming them for the majority party to win the election in past 10 years doesn't make it to a fact. 

 

It is another of your made up inventions. 

 

 

And:

And what if ex Malaysian new citizens throw a blank vote? Most of them never voted in their previous country. You assume they are all vivid voters. Our company has a big share of them. Their interest in politics not much. 

 

The big part of them on lower income groups too. 

 

On a note: only 20,000 PRs converted to citizens in one year but not 1 mil Foreigners. 

 

About 300,000 new citizens in 10 years still stand against about 2,250,000 true blue Singaporean voters. 

 

You still want to tell us these new citizens have a significant impact on the election results? 

 

It is clear from the election results for the vast majority of true blue Singaporeans having re-elected the majority party in each election since independance. 

 

Stop harping on innocent new citizens, they had no important factor on election results. 

[WheelofTime]

15 hours ago, Since u r here said:

your curr PM

, RP is committing suicide
PAP still bother to thanks their opp woh

 

 

 

 

This one ah.... Only thing they can do is to vote and narrow the margin. AMK people can only watch and sigh.

[WheelofTime]

 

He explains why adding more NCMPs and giving them equal voting rights do not make much of a difference. The minimum fraction to prevent constitution law  from being changed is 1/3 of the parliament, and changing the number of NCMP seats from 9 to 12 has no effect on that.

 

 

Let's do what we can by voting, volunteering if that's something you are comfortable with and posting resources on social media to educate the people within your network. It's all about having more voices in the Government because having 6 opposition MPs (7%) in Parliament can barely make a difference despite their utmost efforts. We have all seen what WP has to endure since 2011.

 

For those who still suspect that voting is not secret, you can ask around friends who have been polling agents in the past for assurance, or even be one so as to be witness to the process. To put it bluntly, you're not that significant that they are going to spend extra time and effort to check on you given that they have millions other votes to process.

 

Read this for more info: https://mustsharenews.com/opposition-ncmp-increase/

[mith]

57 minutes ago, WheelofTime said:

 

This one ah.... Only thing they can do is to vote and narrow the margin. AMK people can only watch and sigh.

 

yeah... meaning liar like ng ling ling to inflate her ego & resume is confirm going into parliament riding under the big LEE!

 

a big flaw in the grc system!

[mith]

10 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

What happened to Murali Pillai? Something related to his son? So fast want to sue ppl liao?! !

 

this lazy ah mu is ownself cry ownself hurt over a non existing video lah!

[G_M]

6 hours ago, Since u r here said:

All these are GE related items, why is it unrelated?

if it is unrelated , why cant the moderators just removed it?

 

if this is Ge related as a f&b, why is mine not related??

https://www.blowingwind.io/forum/topic/108807-ge2020/?do=findComment&comment=2509156
N there r many more

 

 

Don't point others out when I am directing at you because you are the person very prolific in posting all kinds of crabby shit in many many topics. 

 

Argue some more and see what happened to your accounts.

 

[LeanMature]

11 hours ago, nx7dne said:

yao quan so cute... i want him

 

Fully agree.  He is short and not handsome, but he has that cute, boy next door look.  And he walk the talk.

[lonelyglobe]

9 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Statistics aside, I still feel that new citizens should be barred from voting in elections unless they have stayed for at least 10 years here. Otherwise the norm would be to vote for the "most secure" option yeah?

 

And I also feel that Mr Pritam's worry is not invalid. This year may really be a change - snow white everywhere over SG. Then they'll continue to tweak the policies and laws even more and I'm not surprised if very soon you'll start seeing POFPA, POFBRO, POFSIS coming up.

Even if that happen,  is sporean asking for it, who to blame? 

 

If today a country can give me what I can't get in my own country, a job with pay that is three times higher, a fair chance to progress,  give me a citizenship,  give me the chance to buy a house and security,  good health and education, of course I will not vote opposition. 

 

Every year 20k is not an impact but when it accumulate over 20, 30 years then the amount can be quite significant, enough to make changes.

 

Local born sporean + sporean from oversea together contribute to the voting result. 

 

Just my observation,  a lot of ex Malaysian is very impressed with PAP. What they can't achieved in Malaysia,  they can easily get it here. Any ex Malaysian here can shed some light for us? 

[singalion]

11 hours ago, G_M said:

 

 

@Since u r here Any more shit from you and spamming the forum with unrelated videos and you and all your accounts will get 1 month suspension until after the GE.  

 

You never learn right? Your account being ban by me and you still want to continue to spam the forum with all kind of nonsense videos. 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Since u r here said:

All these are GE related items, why is it unrelated?

if it is unrelated , why cant the moderators just removed it?

 

if this is Ge related as a f&b, why is mine not related??

https://www.blowingwind.io/forum/topic/108807-ge2020/?do=findComment&comment=2509156
N there r many more

 

 

 

Since u are here: @Since u r here

 

I have to concur with the Moderator.

At plenty threads you are inserting those outside links, "1000" of these posts at every corner per day. It would be appreciated if you can minimize on the really essential or necessary.

Some time ago I and other guys here tried to convey this message to you, but to no avail the past 6 months.

 

Most of us here write a complete post on their own with their own creativity and intellectual abilities without inferring outside news or articles.

Sure at a discussion thread on local LGBT news it is necessary to place a news article about some related news or criminal matter, but we don't need all your post at all threads.

Maybe you just try to post something without referring to any link or outside news article?

 

You may have plenty of time and not being very challenged in your work or life, but it is really not necessary to post nearly every newspaper article at any Singapore media into BW.

If you have plenty of time, learn a foreign language or improve your cooking skills for the next virus lockdown in 7 years...

 

Note that we all log in to our emails mostly daily and will receive most of the info you always posted here again. Plenty receive newsletters on their phones or emails.

Please understand we might not be on a app programmer level with our IT knowledge but probably better than most senior citizens as through time we learned to crawl through dating "apps". What I want to say is: We don't need someone to spoonfeed us with news, we are able to search for it on our own.

 

Please see my post as constructive critic. Thanks n have a good day.

Edited July 1, 2020 by singalion
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[jsaw88]

Just sharing my 2 cents worth here.

 

I may be mistaken, but I feel that the current mentality of Singaporeans (old and new alike) are viewing things myopically at only a GRC/SMC level, and not at a national level. Many of whom I chatted with, seem to think that those currently leading their own estates are doing an okay job, so they don't see the need for a change. They'd rather wait for other constituencies which are facing problems to vote for the alternative instead.

 

With such self-centred mindsets, coupled with the freedom to gerrymander and teleport heavyweights from one apparently "stable" GRC to another that's "less stable" by the incumbent, it'll take a few elections for the Opposition to gain at least one third of the seats in Parliament. I really hope I'm wrong.

[jlone]

11 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

Statistics aside, I still feel that new citizens should be barred from voting in elections unless they have stayed for at least 10 years here. Otherwise the norm would be to vote for the "most secure" option yeah?

 

And I also feel that Mr Pritam's worry is not invalid. This year may really be a change - snow white everywhere over SG. Then they'll continue to tweak the policies and laws even more and I'm not surprised if very soon you'll start seeing POFPA, POFBRO, POFSIS coming up.

Their purpose is clear cut to have new citizens to vote for them, if not their percentage will drop.

[lonelyglobe]

3 hours ago, jsaw88 said:

Just sharing my 2 cents worth here.

 

I may be mistaken, but I feel that the current mentality of Singaporeans (old and new alike) are viewing things myopically at only a GRC/SMC level, and not at a national level. Many of whom I chatted with, seem to think that those currently leading their own estates are doing an okay job, so they don't see the need for a change. They'd rather wait for other constituencies which are facing problems to vote for the alternative instead.

 

With such self-centred mindsets, coupled with the freedom to gerrymander and teleport heavyweights from one apparently "stable" GRC to another that's "less stable" by the incumbent, it'll take a few elections for the Opposition to gain at least one third of the seats in Parliament. I really hope I'm wrong.

Not really wrong,  a lot of people want opposition in other constituencies but not their own and the thinking that someone else will vote opposition is very damaging and selfish. 

 

A few elections? Ha, I must say that is quite optimistic,  from 1965 till now,  when have we even see like more than 10 opposition candidates elected into parliament? 

 

As long as we keep having more than 10 opposition party taking part in every election, that is going to be difficult to achieve.

[fab]

I am fine with the number of parties as long as there isn't any votes diluting moles.

[lonelyglobe]

3 hours ago, fab said:

I am fine with the number of parties as long as there isn't any votes diluting moles.

if there is enough talents for the party then OK,  otherwise no point.  Didn't we hear enough of people saying "my side opposition" CMI.. 

 

I would rather just have only 2 - 3 strong one with all A team potential candidates. When resources are scare, need to pull them together for maximum benefits. 

 

There is really no need to compete in all the seats,  use back the old strategy of letting PAP win on the nomination day. 

Edited July 1, 2020 by lonelyglobe

[singalion]

For any opposition to be half way effective and present they would need 45% of the seats in parliament.

 

Please note, the Singapore parliament is often cited as following the "Westminster system". However for Singapore this is not correct. Any opposition by the Singapore system has far less rights compared to the opposition in the English parliament.

 

It can be seen as a weakness for the biggest opposition party having reduced their contest in some parts. But it's a positive achievement for the second time for all constituencies being contested.

 

Personally, I don't understand this fear in Singapore to vote for a change of government.

 

Even in Malaysia as the PH took over, did Malaysians suffer, did the country break down?

 

Any new government can't change the country in 4/5 years.

 

It is healthy for any country to change the governing party from time to time  and to vote out a ruling party and such would actually be an advancement of democracy.

 

I fail to understand this hysteria and the desire  to cling on the same party/people for so long. This reluctance to change a government for such a long period undermines democracy in this country.

Edited July 2, 2020 by singalion
typo

[fab]

1 hour ago, lonelyglobe said:

if there is enough talents for the party then OK,  otherwise no point.  Didn't we hear enough of people saying "my side opposition" CMI.. 

 

I would rather just have only 2 - 3 strong one with all A team potential candidates. When resources are scare, need to pull them together for maximum benefits. 

 

There is really no need to compete in all the seats,  use back the old strategy of letting PAP win on the nomination day. 

 

It has proven that this strategy doesn'twork. 

[lonelyglobe]

2 minutes ago, fab said:

 

It has proven that this strategy doesn'twork. 

Current strategy also doesn't work well and worse,  due to some weak performance,  it will just pull down the national average percentage for opposition 

[jsaw88]

Sorry to digress, but is there no further action on the ground regarding Ng Ling Ling and her "Freudian slip"? I really can't imagine what other things she can claim credit for after she enters Parliament under the wings of PM, who seem to brush it aside as if her lying incident is such a minor matter. I see it as a flaw in her character! :/

[fab]

 

[mith]

7 hours ago, jsaw88 said:

Sorry to digress, but is there no further action on the ground regarding Ng Ling Ling and her "Freudian slip"? I really can't imagine what other things she can claim credit for after she enters Parliament under the wings of PM, who seem to brush it aside as if her lying incident is such a minor matter. I see it as a flaw in her character! :/

 

yeah. complete silence... 

[jlone]

Are we going to vote for more hypocrites n liars into parliament?

Please wake up all you supporters of the pp.

Make sure you vote oppositions parties to make your vote counts for a party of transparency, humility, equality, compassionate, freedom of speech n democracy.

Thank you.

Edited July 2, 2020 by jlone

[jsaw88]

1 hour ago, mith said:

 

yeah. complete silence... 

This partial treatment between a PAP candidate and an Opposition candidate can't be more obvious, no? If this Ng had joined the Opposition instead, I'm pretty sure she'd have been lambasted by the PAP.

 

Even her ex-subordinate said explicitly he won't vote for her. That, to me at least, speaks volume of either (a) her work performance, or (b) her character. Either way, it's not something desirable of a person who's supposed to take care of matters of not just a handful of people, but a population.

 

Voters of AMK, look carefully. This is the kind of people you're bringing into Parliament - credit-claiming fraud. If you've worked hard on a project and someone else claims credit for it, how would you feel?

[jsaw88]

13 hours ago, Since u r here said:

a popular topic 

any chance we can keep her??????

 

I'm not sure if this is a distraction strategy to keep harping on the 10 million population issue. Whether our population may eventually hit 10 million or not, my biggest concern is who makes up the increment in population, if any. I certainly don't hope to see any more foreign PMETs brought into SG. I thought it'd be more prudent to train local PMETs so that they can have the skills of these foreign counterparts and become the main workforce here. We need foreign labour, yes, but not PMETs. I hope I don't come across as being discriminatory or elitist. I'm just trying to ensure that the best piece of the meat is given to a Singaporean, one who is born and raised on this island.

[lonelyglobe]

2 hours ago, jsaw88 said:

Voters of AMK, look carefully. This is the kind of people you're bringing into Parliament - credit-claiming fraud. If you've worked hard on a project and someone else claims credit for it, how would you feel?

Yeap,  time to wake up,  have been sleeping for too long,  too long...... 

[lonelyglobe]

6.9m population by 2030 is still not acceptable,  our land size probably not going to increase,  if we already feel so packed now, 6.9m just mean difficulty in breathing.

 

In the 90s, our population was only 3m,  it took 30 years to reach 5m and then what,  another 10 years to reach 6.9m, simply crazy. 

[steppenwolf]

2 hours ago, jsaw88 said:

Voters of AMK, look carefully. This is the kind of people you're bringing into Parliament - credit-claiming fraud. If you've worked hard on a project and someone else claims credit for it, how would you feel?

 

Besides, LHL needs to have a good rest too...

 

 

[fab]

To some people,  wealth is more than health. 

[steppenwolf]

5 minutes ago, fab said:

To some people,  wealth is more than health. 

 

Or in his case, POWER?

[fab]

12 minutes ago, steppenwolf said:

 

Or in his case, POWER?

 

For him, power is his means, money is his end.

 

 

[mith]

this lazy ah mu must go!

[mith]

1 hour ago, lonelyglobe said:

6.9m population by 2030 is still not acceptable,  our land size probably not going to increase,  if we already feel so packed now, 6.9m just mean difficulty in breathing.

 

In the 90s, our population was only 3m,  it took 30 years to reach 5m and then what,  another 10 years to reach 6.9m, simply crazy. 

 

this population quota was initially planned lah. i remember pap asked those experts from oversea to draw the population white paper... some said 6.9m, some 8m, one bloody idiot even said 10m no problem... then all these would somehow went into the press. i suspect it was pap purposely leaked to test the citizens reactions. slowly it was blown up out of proportion... with 99% negative feedback from the commom citizens.

pap smart, never endorsed or denied, but definitely favoured... 

but when they about to put forth and announce, our infrastructure started collapsing, mrt, buses started breaking down big time!, water and food not sufficient, hospitals n university also not enough at 5.8m...

now covid, at 5.8 already cannot handle, pap must secretly said "heng ah" never 10m, else singapore would have collapse under the pap liao.

and now election, when chee sj mentioned it, vivian which represented the pap just broad daylight deny the whole saga. saying pap never plan it ever!

please hor, i still havent alzheimer hor!

 

[mith]

1 hour ago, steppenwolf said:

 

Besides, LHL needs to have a good rest too...

 

 

 

sorry i dont support him but this post is fabrication leh... same day i saw him in person at these photographed locations, he didnt have all those mentioned wounds n bulging veins etc.

his weight lost also photoshoped.

however, no one know for sure he isnt feeling well, but these pics were doctored!

[jsaw88]

Did all of you watch the debate last night? The Netizens are raving over Jamus Lim. I know people are gonna say "oh that's just talk, it doesn't translate to actions", but I still hope his performance last night boosted his popularity and acceptance level in Sengkang!

 

And as for VB, he said, "... The PAP could have written this manifesto...". But the fact is, they didn't! So that means we could have voted for PAP, but didn't in the end?

[cutejack]

2 hours ago, lonelyglobe said:

6.9m population by 2030 is still not acceptable,  our land size probably not going to increase,  if we already feel so packed now, 6.9m just mean difficulty in breathing.

 

In the 90s, our population was only 3m,  it took 30 years to reach 5m and then what,  another 10 years to reach 6.9m, simply crazy. 

Good point. Think carefully guys

[jsaw88]

And I almost choked on my dinner last night when I was reading yesterday's copy of thenewpaper and saw this column on page 3: "4G leaders have handled Covid-19 crisis very well, says PM Lee". HAHAHAHA I'm sure it was handled SOOOOOOOOO amazingly well! Don't we all agree?

[jlone]

39 minutes ago, jsaw88 said:

Did all of you watch the debate last night? The Netizens are raving over Jamus Lim. I know people are gonna say "oh that's just talk, it doesn't translate to actions", but I still hope his performance last night boosted his popularity and acceptance level in Sengkang!

 

And as for VB, he said, "... The PAP could have written this manifesto...". But the fact is, they didn't! So that means we could have voted for PAP, but didn't in the end?

The voters of sengkang must be so foolish and blind if they ignore such well spoken candidate like Dr Jamus Lim of the WP.

He will be our new opposition MP n our voice in parliament. 

Please vote him in. It's not easy to get a good opposition speaker like him.

That's really n trully what I call a person who wants to fight and speak out for his people. 

Edited July 2, 2020 by jlone

[lonelyglobe]

31 minutes ago, jsaw88 said:

And I almost choked on my dinner last night when I was reading yesterday's copy of thenewpaper and saw this column on page 3: "4G leaders have handled Covid-19 crisis very well, says PM Lee". HAHAHAHA I'm sure it was handled SOOOOOOOOO amazingly well! Don't we all agree?

Even the blind can see that they mess up the whole covid thing from day one,  then never mind, mess up already still can be so defensive and arrogant. 

[lonelyglobe]

Those under West Coast GRC,  vote wisely, he is either in OR out of parliament. 

https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/singapore-ge2020-tan-cheng-bock-will-not-take-up-ncmp-seat-if-offered-calls-scheme-a-ploy

[jlone]

All the schemes and tricks which they are good at.

And all the silly n foolish voters are easily tricked!  

[single42]

1st guy to fall: Ivan Lim

2nd guy kenna smear: shawn huang; collateral damage: the female WO in the said incident

3rd swing: pm lee's doctored pictures on his arms, & health speculation

4th swing: pap murali..

 

I thnk some joker is all out to slam PAP just to make sure Oppo party gets into parliment..

Edited July 2, 2020 by single42

[LeanMature]

1 hour ago, mith said:

 

sorry i dont support him but this post is fabrication leh... same day i saw him in person at these photographed locations, he didnt have all those mentioned wounds n bulging veins etc.

his weight lost also photoshoped.

however, no one know for sure he isnt feeling well, but these pics were doctored!

 

I feel sorry for the guy who did this to the photo.  

[LeanMature]

17 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Those under West Coast GRC,  vote wisely, he is either in OR out of parliament. 

https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/singapore-ge2020-tan-cheng-bock-will-not-take-up-ncmp-seat-if-offered-calls-scheme-a-ploy

 

If in, he will be the oldest MP in parliament.  

[fab]

1 hour ago, jsaw88 said:

Did all of you watch the debate last night? The Netizens are raving over Jamus Lim. I know people are gonna say "oh that's just talk, it doesn't translate to actions", but I still hope his performance last night boosted his popularity and acceptance level in Sengkang!

 

And as for VB, he said, "... The PAP could have written this manifesto...". But the fact is, they didn't! So that means we could have voted for PAP, but didn't in the end?

 

What rubbish is Vivian sprouting? 

 

Another case of cunt convince you, confuse you?

[jlone]

1 hour ago, mith said:

this lazy ah mu must go!

Dun know why the stupid residents voted him in last time instead of Dr Chee who can really speak out for the people.

They will be more foolish n brainless if they vote him in again.

Edited July 2, 2020 by jlone

[lonelyglobe]

1 minute ago, jlone said:

Dun know why the stupid residents voted him in last time instead of Dr Chee who can really speak out for the people.

They will be more foolish n brainless if they vote him in again.

A lot of people just make the same mistakes over and over again. 

[fab]

57 minutes ago, jsaw88 said:

And I almost choked on my dinner last night when I was reading yesterday's copy of thenewpaper and saw this column on page 3: "4G leaders have handled Covid-19 crisis very well, says PM Lee". HAHAHAHA I'm sure it was handled SOOOOOOOOO amazingly well! Don't we all agree?

 

Ownself says ownself praise.