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On 8/2/2022 at 9:56 PM, Guest Guest said:

China will invade Taiwan in 2023

I hope this is rubbish. If it ever occur to occupation. The whole Chinese community outside of China will hate china for killing Chinese. Literally, generate more spies than ever like how japanese occupation begins. And more split will ever be.. just like Japan, Korea, Thailand, vietnam. All these countries are originally Chinese descendants.

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On 8/4/2022 at 12:28 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

One cannot judge a country by the actions of some unscrupulous leaders who happen to climb to power and take hold there,  like this abominable Donald Trump, this idiot GW Bush manipulated by Dick Cheney and other republican war mongers,  and even Kennedy who probably never realized the evil criminality of using Agent Orange to deforest North Vietnam, and approved its use.

 

About the US support of Saudi Arabia, including the fist bump by Biden the other days,  there are compromises some leaders have to take that go against morality,  and the support of Saudi Arabia is not so much worse than keeping 377A by your leaders to satisfy their base of voters who keep them in power.

 

America is NOT an evil land,  as our constitution and our laws clearly show America's moral and decent fundamentals.  

I have to say that you look at the US through rose-tinted glasses! Look how close the country was to civil war on Jan 6!

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On 8/3/2022 at 1:38 PM, sgmaven said:

I have to say that you look at the US through rose-tinted glasses! Look how close the country was to civil war on Jan 6!

 

I lived every day of November, December 2020 and January 2021,  and I never felt that the country was close to a civil war.    That a bunch of pro-Trump thugs assaulted the Capitol and could have put their hands on Pence and hung him, was never enough to unleash a civil war.  All the relevant institutions were behind the rule of law,  and Trump's criminals were unable to change this.  Even Republicans with some power decided to uphold the constitution.   If Congress would not have formalized the victory of Biden on January 6, they would have done so later.   

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On 8/4/2022 at 12:28 AM, Steve5380 said:

One cannot judge a country by the actions of some unscrupulous leaders who happen to climb to power and take hold there,  like this abominable Donald Trump, this idiot GW Bush manipulated by Dick Cheney and other republican war mongers,  and even Kennedy who probably never realized the evil criminality of using Agent Orange to deforest North Vietnam, and approved its use.

So, you attribute all the horrible deeds to poor leaders, who were elected democratically by the US people. So, isn't the nation then also guilty?

 

If you use this twisted logic, then Russia shouldn't be blamed for attacking Ukraine, it is only one Putin...

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On 8/3/2022 at 9:56 PM, Steve5380 said:

Here you have a country that supports economically your island,  that advises your leaders to support us LGBTs, ...   and you call it " a known devil " ??

Perhaps our leaders should "advise" your leaders to ban the carrying of hand-guns... Tsk! Much as I would like my government to be more supportive of the LGBTQ+ community, I don't think it is up to other "leaders" to twist their arms either.

 

As for supporting us economically, please refer to this. The US actually exports more to Singapore than we export to the US, so who is supporting who?

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On 8/4/2022 at 4:24 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

I lived every day of November, December 2020 and January 2021,  and I never felt that the country was close to a civil war.    That a bunch of pro-Trump thugs assaulted the Capitol and could have put their hands on Pence and hung him, was never enough to unleash a civil war.  All the relevant institutions were behind the rule of law,  and Trump's criminals were unable to change this.  Even Republicans with some power decided to uphold the constitution.   If Congress would not have formalized the victory of Biden on January 6, they would have done so later.   

I didn't know you were living in DC during that period... 🙄

 

As for the Republicans, do you mean the bunch who still spout nonsense like the 2020 Election was stolen? And that Trump did no wrong? How many Republicans are brave enough to stand up and speak against Trump and his people? Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger (who is not running for office again), and who else? May I add that both these people have been censured by the RNC for taking part in the House Investigation of the Capitol Assault.

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On 8/3/2022 at 3:37 PM, sgmaven said:

I didn't know you were living in DC during that period... 🙄

 

As for the Republicans, do you mean the bunch who still spout nonsense like the 2020 Election was stolen? And that Trump did no wrong? How many Republicans are brave enough to stand up and speak against Trump and his people? Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger (who is not running for office again), and who else? May I add that both these people have been censured by the RNC for taking part in the House Investigation of the Capitol Assault.

 

For your information,  Texas and DC are in the same country.

 

By Republicans who decided to upheld the constitution I mean Mike Pence,  the Georgia secretary of state Raffensperger, Trump's staff who tried to dissuade him of his Big Lie,  and other Republicans who testified at the Jan 6 Committee hearings. 

 

 

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On 8/3/2022 at 8:47 PM, sgmaven said:

Does the PRC pay you to be their mouthpiece?

PRC mouthpiece, me?   You are just as insane as the Taiwanese who continued to think an incredibly aged American hen could still lay eggs.  Knowing that she would shortly be de-feathered and killed in America by November, rendering her useless, unpopular, and dead to the rest of the globe by then, she tiptoed around Taiwan while behaving like peacock and dumping her shits everywhere.   Taiwan would be devoid of talent and intelligent people who made a shame out themselves if they thought Pelosi's visit was beneficial to the nation.  The Taiwan Strait will never be the same again as a result.  Taiwanese, who can't escape the problem, are now solely responsible for the burden,they and Pelosi created and rightfully so.     After Pelosi left, the American forces departed immediately, while the Chinese troops occupied Taiwan's outer coast.  In this regard, America's silence  reeks of self-guilt.

 

The above is common logic.  Don't waste time defending and debating a hopeless country who disregard peace in this region, Taiwan and America are now inescapable cultprits.

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US recognise PRC in the 1980s under the leadership of Deng who was eager to push china economy. UK recognisation of PRC is due to threat of PLA invasion of Hongkong after they deny the treaty signed by previous government. under one china policy, other countries and choose to recognise ROC or PRC as china. Following the recognisation of PRC as China meant that US and PRC trade got the extra push. many other countries followed to benefits from trade.

however that being said, it was largely due to the UK and US which China gain popularity in the international community. however, in recent years, china investment from foreign nations drop drastically. it loses its importance in the international community due to many chinese policies especially the mandatory technology transfer thing.

US did not need to go to war with China. they only need to recognise ROC status and many developed nation will follow. China always feared this day would come and hence use the OBOR to secure her support in UN. if ROC is the china which US recognise, they would be able to help them fight the rebel which attacked ROC. (AKA PRC).

PRC can seek assistance from Russia which invest a lot in military like what Mao did to chase ROC into taiwan. So US now uses Ukraine war to deplete Russia resources. PRC fear the people in the southern China who would be influence by HOng Kong and taiwan where they quickly side with ROC. the southern china is also more resourceful than the north.

As such, US has never fear PRC. Times are different, USSR which help CCP and land CCP into huge debt which prompt the great leap, femine and cultural revolution is no long around.

all these, and i have not touch on the seed technology and chip technology. a sneak peek, china has the technology of chip making from a company they bought from phillip. but following sanctions, components needed to maintains these equipment would be difficult to obtain. china now are buying a lot of chips as storage. therefore there is a lack of chip everywhere. but this could only speed up the process of US support of Taiwan.

the main purpose of this visit is to make sure that US chip making facilities and investment is sound. they certainly does not wants PRC to land their hands on those. this trip also gave vietnam a warning not to side with china as US has plans in other regional countries.

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On 8/3/2022 at 1:28 PM, Guest Blind faith said:

 

Go Google la. You got so much time debate on forum. 

 

The same way asean can't free Myanmar from the junta. Not like USA is doing anything for Myanmar also. 

 

USA is selective in their agenda. Don't be blind. 

 

No need to google. There is not much on ASEAN against the Chinese encroachment into the South China Sea.

The protocols are all soft and pointing to resolve issues by diplomatic means.

In fact they are avoiding to name the issue, namely that China has no rights on these territories and seas.

 

Is ASEAN already under the rule of the PRC?

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On 8/3/2022 at 9:56 PM, Steve5380 said:

Here you have a country that supports economically your island,  that advises your leaders to support us LGBTs, ...   and you call it " a known devil " ??

 

 

The European Union and their member countries individually have done the same for years.

 

Just look what countries asked the major question during the Human Rights Council reviews of Singapore by the UN in the past 10 years?

 

 

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On 8/3/2022 at 10:34 PM, sgmaven said:

The country that continues its strong ties with Saudi Arabia, after the truth behind the brutal killing of Jamal Khashoggi?

 

Sorry sgmaven, but is the stance of Singapore on Saudi Arabia any different?

 

The last approaches to Saudi Arabia by Western democracies are actually a collateral of the Ukraine war.

Where to get the oil if you intend to boycott Russia?

 

Unfortunately, a lot of the most undemocratic countries sit on the oil reserves...

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 12:28 AM, Steve5380 said:

One cannot judge a country by the actions of some unscrupulous leaders who happen to climb to power and take hold there,  like this abominable Donald Trump, this idiot GW Bush manipulated by Dick Cheney and other republican war mongers,  and even Kennedy who probably never realized the evil criminality of using Agent Orange to deforest North Vietnam, and approved its use.

 

 

Your defence of the US is laudable and understandable as you are an American citizen.

 

The more relevant point is whether the US will repeat these wrongs in the future.

 

But what many here forget, it is easy to point to these wrongs and often unintended collaterals but who will play the world police in future if the US draws back.

 

Look at the Trump policy, keeping away to get into the heat just caused more issues in the end.

 

Where was any effective US Russia summit?

There was one in Finland where the US even looked inferior to Russia due to Trump's praises (without any concessions by Russia).

 

If the initiative doesn't come from the US, what powers would step in? Brazil? India? China? to resolve any such disputes?

 

sgmaven, you must look at the issue from both angles. What was a bigger danger to the World peace? the US's interference to Iraq or the terror from Al Kaida?

 

While the "evidence" was fake on Iraq, that interference would have come sooner or later maybe with a different country in the Middle East or Afghanistan...

 

 

 

 

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On 8/3/2022 at 9:56 PM, Steve5380 said:

The story line is NOT different.  I just watched a video of FOX news where Mike Pompeo strongly defended the actions of Nancy.

 

Probably now after she did it, the Fox switched the sound, but prior to her visit just re-watch the Carlson Tucker blames on her setting off the WWIII.

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On 8/4/2022 at 12:28 AM, Steve5380 said:

Kennedy who probably never realized the evil criminality of using Agent Orange to deforest North Vietnam, and approved its use.

 

Instead of ignoring the issue, the US could have been involved in the remedy.

It was the EU that pushed the US to involve more into the removal of the mines and reforestation projects, also as in assisting the population.

 

It took until Obama  in 2016 to release the first US aid program to remedy the issues from Agent Orange and the mines... Count how many years the US simply shrugged off any valid demands by Laos.

 

 

 

September 4, 2016

It's the first-ever visit to Laos by a sitting American president. And it's a place where the U.S. has a rather difficult history.

Laos is the most bombed country, per capita, in history, after Americans dropped an estimated 2 million tons of munitions on the country during the Vietnam.

 

In an effort to look forward, the president is expected to announce funding for the clearance of unexploded bombs leftover from the war

 

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Just invade la. 

Now that the world have shown that they don't really care about Russia and Ukraine.. 

 

Nobody will also care if China invade Taiwan. 

 

This shows how apathetic the world is. 

 

Desensitise by assassination. 

Murder. 

War. 

The world need a little bit of chaos. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 10:51 AM, drektster said:

US recognise PRC in the 1980s under the leadership of Deng who was eager to push china economy. UK recognisation of PRC is due to threat of PLA invasion of Hongkong after they deny the treaty signed by previous government. under one china policy, other countries and choose to recognise ROC or PRC as china. Following the recognisation of PRC as China meant that US and PRC trade got the extra push. many other countries followed to benefits from trade.

however that being said, it was largely due to the UK and US which China gain popularity in the international community. however, in recent years, china investment from foreign nations drop drastically. it loses its importance in the international community due to many chinese policies especially the mandatory technology transfer thing.

US did not need to go to war with China. they only need to recognise ROC status and many developed nation will follow. China always feared this day would come and hence use the OBOR to secure her support in UN. if ROC is the china which US recognise, they would be able to help them fight the rebel which attacked ROC. (AKA PRC).

PRC can seek assistance from Russia which invest a lot in military like what Mao did to chase ROC into taiwan. So US now uses Ukraine war to deplete Russia resources. PRC fear the people in the southern China who would be influence by HOng Kong and taiwan where they quickly side with ROC. the southern china is also more resourceful than the north.

As such, US has never fear PRC. Times are different, USSR which help CCP and land CCP into huge debt which prompt the great leap, femine and cultural revolution is no long around.

all these, and i have not touch on the seed technology and chip technology. a sneak peek, china has the technology of chip making from a company they bought from phillip. but following sanctions, components needed to maintains these equipment would be difficult to obtain. china now are buying a lot of chips as storage. therefore there is a lack of chip everywhere. but this could only speed up the process of US support of Taiwan.

the main purpose of this visit is to make sure that US chip making facilities and investment is sound. they certainly does not wants PRC to land their hands on those. this trip also gave vietnam a warning not to side with china as US has plans in other regional countries.

 

 

Like many Western countries the shift from Taiwan as representing China in the UN and the initial talks with Chinese leaders following 1971 was made in the belief that the PRC would transfer into some sort of democratic country.

 

It is a bit like the belief of the West that one day the Eastern European countries would "escape" the iron curtain and stronghold from the Soviet Union, which in fact happened in 1989...

 

In the same sense, the West has/had the idea that Taiwan (ROC) could be easily integrated into Mainland China as one country.

 

However, this hope so far has not materialised.

 

It seems that the PRC is not making any move to establish a democratic run political system but to continue as a dictatorship of the rule of the CCP.

 

That is one of the main factors that prevents the integration of Taiwan into China (as Taiwan has shifted to a Western styled democratic political system...)

 

But never give up hope.

 

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 1:21 PM, singalion said:

 

Your defence of the US is laudable and understandable as you are an American citizen.

 

The more relevant point is whether the US will repeat these wrongs in the future.

 

But what many here forget, it is easy to point to these wrongs and often unintended collaterals but who will play the world police in future if the US draws back.

 

Look at the Trump policy, keeping away to get into the heat just caused more issues in the end.

 

Where was any effective US Russia summit?

There was one in Finland where the US even looked inferior to Russia due to Trump's praises (without any concessions by Russia).

 

If the initiative doesn't come from the US, what powers would step in? Brazil? India? China? to resolve any such disputes?

 

sgmaven, you must look at the issue from both angles. What was a bigger danger to the World peace? the US's interference to Iraq or the terror from Al Kaida?

 

While the "evidence" was fake on Iraq, that interference would have come sooner or later maybe with a different country in the Middle East or Afghanistan...

 

 

 

 


US has been making mistakes in nominating leaders like Obama and Biden who want to project unsolicited big brother image but in doing so, they created conflicts in different parts of the world. 
 

Look at Obama regime and now Biden his vice-president. Their administrations did not do enough to stop Russia from invading Crimea and Ukraine. 
 

The Biden administration is divided now with him apparently dissuading Pelosi from going to Taiwan, but Pelosi still went ahead. The current US government cannot get their message and act together. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 2:03 PM, Guest Mississippi Paddlefish said:


US has been making mistakes in nominating leaders like Obama and Biden who want to project unsolicited big brother image but in doing so, they created conflicts in different parts of the world. 
 

Look at Obama regime and now Biden his vice-president. Their administrations did not do enough to stop Russia from invading Crimea and Ukraine. 
 

The Biden administration is divided now with him apparently dissuading Pelosi from going to Taiwan, but Pelosi still went ahead. The current US government cannot get their message and act together. 

 

So, Nixon, Bush senior, Bush Junior and Trump were not creating conflicts?

 

I assume the best examples of big brother images in the past 30 years were Bush Jr. and Trump.

 

You must be joking...

 

Your bias and tainted view on the US politics is just too obvious.

 

On a note: the US does not nominate leaders but elects their leaders in democratic elections.

 

Aside from that: Just wonder why you often prefer to switch between member account and Guest post...

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 2:26 PM, Guest Discovery said:

 

 

See this is exactly what free media and press and liberties in the US are about.

 

Show me something similar published in the PRC ???

Where is the variety of media forums in the PRC that touches on such matters?

Where is any media in the PRC that criticises politicians?

 

You are using this here on the same premises as the PRC is always saying, "clean up your own turf first".

But this argument is short ranged...

 

Because it doesn't count when it comes to foreign policy or international matters.

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 2:26 PM, Guest Discovery said:

 

 

Here something on the person that publishes this video series:

 

Benenful "Benny" Johnson (born May 27, 1987) is an American political columnist, currently serving as chief creative officer at conservative organization Turning Point USA.[1] Johnson first rose to prominence as a staff writer at BuzzFeed, until he was fired following revelations that many of his published articles were plagiarized.[2][3]

Johnson is currently the host of The Benny Report, formerly The Beneful Report, on Newsmax TV.[4][5][6] Johnson is also employed by The Daily Caller.

 

 

In 2010, Johnson began contributing opinion pieces to the opinion website Breitbart. In 2011 he was hired as a full-time worker for Glenn Beck's TheBlaze, a conservative media website.[3] In 2012, Johnson became a staff writer at BuzzFeed.[9]

 

In July 2014, BuzzFeed found 41 instances of plagiarism in Johnson's writings, comprising almost ten percent of his work. He was subsequently fired from BuzzFeed and apologized for the plagiarism.[2] A few weeks later, he became digital director at National Review.[11]

 

In 2015, a few months after he was hired by National Review, he joined the Independent Journal Review (IJR) as a creative content contributor.[11] Later that year, IJR staffers accused Johnson of plagiarizing an article about then-House Republican Conference chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers.[12] In late 2017, Johnson wrote an article containing the most controversial tweets of what he thought was the Boston antifa Twitter account. It was a fake account intended to lampoon antifa. Initially an editorial note was added, and the article was later removed.[13][14][15]

 

In 2017, Johnson was suspended by IJR after Johnson's involvement in an article which asserted that Judge Derrick Watson's partial blocking of Executive Order 13780 was connected to former President Barack Obama's visit to Hawaii. Johnson had been warned that IJR could potentially be promoting a conspiracy theory, but assigned the story anyway.[12][16] Later that year, Johnson was demoted for violating IJR's company ethics; Business Insider reported that Johnson had been verbally abusive and driven numerous staffers away from the IJR due to his management style.[16] Johnson and IJR's relationship was terminated in October 2017.[17]

 

 

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 2:08 PM, singalion said:

 

So, Nixon, Bush senior, Bush Junior and Trump were not creating conflicts?

 

I assume the best examples of big brother images in the past 30 years were Bush Jr. and Trump.

 

You must be joking...

 

Your bias and tainted view on the US politics is just too obvious.

 

On a note: the US does not nominate leaders but elects their leaders in democratic elections.

 

Aside from that: Just wonder why you often prefer to switch between member account and Guest post...

 

 


Best examples of big bro images were definitely during Obama time during the height of ISIS and Iran crisis. 
 

Clinton too allowed China to grow to become economic superpower. 
 

It is good the whole world become more affluent together and standards of living improve and poverty is reduced. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 2:26 PM, Guest Discovery said:

 

 

for the underlying reasons of the situation:

 

Look here:

 

 

On 8/4/2022 at 4:12 PM, singalion said:

The real background of the homeless people in California are a growing population and the lack of affordable rental and that California is a desired state to live in the US, that draws many people.

 

 

The media has covered this sufficiently in the news recently:

 

How California’s homelessness catastrophe is worsening

Tue 22 Mar 2022

 

California’s catastrophe stems in part from a longstanding, statewide housing affordability crisis. Californians spend significantly more of their income on housing compared with the rest of the nation. More than 1.5 million renters spend half of their earnings on rent, leaving them potentially one medical emergency or crisis away from homelessness. In recent years, income inequality has only worsened.

 

Responding to the crisis, California is pouring billions of dollars into housing and related services, but the success of new programs meant to expand affordable housing and emergency shelter has been mixed.

“One of the challenges of housing policy is that it’s like turning around a giant ship. It’s a slow process,” said Shamus Roller, executive director of the National Housing Law Project. The state has made significant progress in recent years in investing in housing, he noted, but the benefits can sometimes take more than a decade to materialize.

 

 

Let's keep with facts.

 

 

 

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 4:13 PM, Guest Mississippi Paddlefish said:


Best examples of big bro images were definitely during Obama time during the height of ISIS and Iran crisis. 
 

Clinton too allowed China to grow to become economic superpower. 
 

It is good the whole world become more affluent together and standards of living improve and poverty is reduced. 

 

And why are you ignoring any Republican US presidents in your list?

 

Because of bias?

 

Your posts belong to the USA thread and not to the Taiwan issue.

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 1:13 PM, singalion said:

Sorry sgmaven, but is the stance of Singapore on Saudi Arabia any different?

Did I ever said that Singapore was beyond reproach? I know that my own country is guilty of doing whatever is convenient, and not exactly moral. I accept whatever criticism in that case. Unlike @Steve5380who always thinks the US is beyond reproach, and such a "shining light of democracy".

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On 8/4/2022 at 1:21 PM, singalion said:

sgmaven, you must look at the issue from both angles. What was a bigger danger to the World peace? the US's interference to Iraq or the terror from Al Kaida?

 

While the "evidence" was fake on Iraq, that interference would have come sooner or later maybe with a different country in the Middle East or Afghanistan...

In that case, shouldn't the US lead an attack on North Korea without provocation? Surely the Kim regime is a great threat to world peace and stability! You and I know that any unprovoked attack on another sovereign country should not be done, even if they are a threat to world peace. Things would be different if North Korea started firing their missiles at the South, for example.

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On 8/4/2022 at 4:58 PM, sgmaven said:

In that case, shouldn't the US lead an attack on North Korea without provocation? Surely the Kim regime is a great threat to world peace and stability! You and I know that any unprovoked attack on another sovereign country should not be done, even if they are a threat to world peace. Things would be different if North Korea started firing their missiles at the South, for example.

 

North Korea: the difference could have been nuclear abilities which Afghanistan and Iraq (and other countries) did not have.

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 5:03 PM, singalion said:

 

North Korea: the difference could have been nuclear abilities which Afghanistan and Iraq (and other countries) did not have.

Didn't the US "claim" that Iraq had nuclear weapons, when they attacked?

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On 8/4/2022 at 5:06 PM, sgmaven said:

Didn't the US "claim" that Iraq had nuclear weapons, when they attacked?

 

As to my memory: focus was on Chemical and biological weapons. Weapons of mass destruction they called it.

 

There was some suspicion that Saddam Hussain was hiding a nuclear bomb production facility or trying to build one but even Colin Powell in 2003 said that there was little evidence.

 

The main convincing point, that proved wrong was, the trucks pushing around biological and chemical weapons in Iraq.

 

 

Newsweek:

Vice President Dick Cheney, made sure they got the message on August 26, 2002, when he delivered a public speech that had not been vetted by the White House or cleared by Bush. "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction,'' he said. "There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies and against us."

 

But Cheney's unspoken threat came too late to influence analysts at the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), who were circulating a devastating report with a simple conclusion: The idea that Saddam possessed WMDs was built on air. There was no evidence any Iraqi facilities produced, tested or stored biological weapons. No mobile production plants could be found. They found nothing showing Iraq had the processes to produce chemical devices. The analysts even doubted Saddam had long-range missiles.

 

 

Colin Powell at the UN in 2003; 5 Feb 2003:

 

 

Focus on nuclear in the speech:

In 1999 and 2000, Iraqi officials negotiated with firms in Romania, India, Russia and Slovenia for the purchase of a magnet production plant. Iraq wanted the plant to produce magnets weighing 20 to 30 grams. That's the same weight as the magnets used in Iraq's gas centrifuge programme before the Gulf War. This incident linked with the tubes is another indicator of Iraq's attempt to reconstitute its nuclear weapons programme.

Intercepted communications from mid-2000 through last summer show that Iraq front companies sought to buy machines that can be used to balance gas centrifuge rotors. One of these companies also had been involved in a failed effort in 2001 to smuggle aluminum tubes into Iraq.

People will continue to debate this issue, but there is no doubt in my mind, these elicit procurement efforts show that Saddam Hussein is very much focused on putting in place the key missing piece from his nuclear weapons programme, the ability to produce fissile material. He also has been busy trying to maintain the other key parts of his nuclear programme, particularly his cadre of key nuclear scientists.

 

You can read the full speech here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/05/iraq.usa

https://2001-2009.state.gov/secretary/former/powell/remarks/2003/17300.htm

 

 

Note: This should not be misinterpreted that I condone the war on Iraq or what happened in the UN in 2003. 

There is a recent movie (curveball) that nicely depicts how the US intelligence ate into the false narrative by some asylum seekers who intended to secure their stay in Germany by giving false evidence to the intelligence.

 

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi1571210009/?ref_=tt_vi_i_2

 

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 1:21 PM, singalion said:

 

Your defence of the US is laudable and understandable as you are an American citizen.

 

The more relevant point is whether the US will repeat these wrongs in the future.

 

But what many here forget, it is easy to point to these wrongs and often unintended collaterals but who will play the world police in future if the US draws back.

 

Look at the Trump policy, keeping away to get into the heat just caused more issues in the end.

 

Where was any effective US Russia summit?

There was one in Finland where the US even looked inferior to Russia due to Trump's praises (without any concessions by Russia).

 

If the initiative doesn't come from the US, what powers would step in? Brazil? India? China? to resolve any such disputes?

 

sgmaven, you must look at the issue from both angles. What was a bigger danger to the World peace? the US's interference to Iraq or the terror from Al Kaida?

 

While the "evidence" was fake on Iraq, that interference would have come sooner or later maybe with a different country in the Middle East or Afghanistan...

 

 

 

 


Your post belong to the thread in US and not to the Taiwan issue. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 4:15 PM, singalion said:

 

And why are you ignoring any Republican US presidents in your list?

 

Because of bias?

 

Your posts belong to the USA thread and not to the Taiwan issue.

 

 


You should not be overly sensitive.


Are you bias towards Democrat party?

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On 8/4/2022 at 6:40 PM, singalion said:

As to my memory: focus was on Chemical and biological weapons. Weapons of mass destruction they called it.

So, you think that biological weapons are "safer" than nuclear ones? Can you imagine if Sadaam had fired a missile containing the bubonic plague or ebola into a major population centre? Biological weapons are much more difficult to detect, and can be easily disguised. So, I doubt if the added security screening from the 9/11 attacks would be enough to stop that... The impact would be far worse than the targetted strike of a nuclear weapon.

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Anyway, we digress... Modern-day China is a result of the US foreign policy, when the US decided to support Mao Zedong's PLA during WW2 with armaments to combat the Japanese. Not that Chiang Kaishek was much better. I daren't even dream of a China where Chiang had won the war against Mao, since he was no angel either.

 

Do remember that Taiwan was under martial law into the 1980s, and if it weren't for the opposition movement coming from the South of Taiwan, which was mainly of Taiwanese stock, we would probably not have the democratic Taiwan of today.

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On 8/4/2022 at 12:52 AM, Guest Hate life said:

Just invade la. 

Now that the world have shown that they don't really care about Russia and Ukraine.. 

 

Nobody will also care if China invade Taiwan. 

 

This shows how apathetic the world is. 

 

Desensitise by assassination. 

Murder. 

War. 

The world need a little bit of chaos. 

 

Do you apply in your personal life the same negativity you apply to the world?

 

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On 8/4/2022 at 12:29 AM, singalion said:

 

Instead of ignoring the issue, the US could have been involved in the remedy.

It was the EU that pushed the US to involve more into the removal of the mines and reforestation projects, also as in assisting the population.

 

It took until Obama  in 2016 to release the first US aid program to remedy the issues from Agent Orange and the mines... Count how many years the US simply shrugged off any valid demands by Laos.

 

 

How many countries go back to the places they wronged and make compensations for that?

 

Did Russia pay Afghanistan reparations for their war there?   No, they have not.   But DECENT civilized countries pay reparations.  Like Japan paid Singapore "blood money" for their invasion during WWII.   And Germany paid reparations for causing WWII.   America was late, but did remedy their actions in Laos. And in America the native Indians were not exterminated like it happened in South America,  but they received compensation in the form of lands, the Reservations.

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On 8/4/2022 at 1:03 AM, Guest Mississippi Paddlefish said:


US has been making mistakes in nominating leaders like Obama and Biden who want to project unsolicited big brother image but in doing so, they created conflicts in different parts of the world. 
 

Look at Obama regime and now Biden his vice-president. Their administrations did not do enough to stop Russia from invading Crimea and Ukraine. 
 

The Biden administration is divided now with him apparently dissuading Pelosi from going to Taiwan, but Pelosi still went ahead. The current US government cannot get their message and act together. 

 

So the US  "did not do enough" to stop Russia ???   Tell this to all the posters in BW who complain that the US wants to police the world !

 

The US has got involved in conflicts in different parts of the world.  But they seldom were the root causes of the conflict.

 

WE DON'T KNOW why the White House was opposed to Nancy's visit to Taiwan.  I suspect that this was done to reduce the "culpability" of provoking the PRC.

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On 8/4/2022 at 1:26 AM, Guest Discovery said:

 

 

Guest Discovery,  you have discovered nothing new.

 

Homelessness exists in the human population due to natural causes.  It is a mental problem as much as an economical problem.  Maybe California has the highest homelessness because the homeless are treated the best there.   How you want to eliminate it?   Rounding up all the homeless and sending them to gas chambers?  Or building cheap undignified ghettos to give them a roof over their heads, and make them a repealed caste?    WE ALL want to help the homeless, but one way to do it is TO ALLOW them to be homeless.  

 

So maybe Nancy Pelosi does not have the mentality of Hitler, who wanted to clean Germany of the "inferior" Jews by exterminating them.

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On 8/4/2022 at 5:40 AM, singalion said:

 

As to my memory: focus was on Chemical and biological weapons. Weapons of mass destruction they called it.

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Note: This should not be misinterpreted that I condone the war on Iraq or what happened in the UN in 2003. 

 

 

I remember vividly the last hours before the invasion.  Saddam Hussein saw it coming and at the 11th hour changed his position, allowing inspectors to come into his country to dispel the rumors of "weapons of mass destruction".   But this was too late.   The US military was in position,  and they didn't get there for nothing.

 

It was SO CLEAR the willingness of the Bush Administration to start the Iraq war!   It was so clear the ambition of these war mongers to destroy Hussein and profiteer from the war!  This solidified my total opposition to the Republican Party, which I hold today as the CANCER of America.  

 

Al Gore could have been a good President had he been elected in 2000.   And we Americans though so too, since Gore did win the popular vote by half a million votes.  But he lost the "electoral college"  thanks to a decision of the Supreme Court.  A politicized court with Republican majority. 

 

Much good would come to the world if the Republicans loose power in America for a couple of decades at least.   The recent support of Republicans for the trip of Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan reflects their principles of resolving conflicts with military confrontation. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 5:49 AM, Guest Mississippi Paddlefish said:


You should not be overly sensitive.


Are you bias towards Democrat party?

 

Maybe we should not be overly sensitive,  being biased towards GOOD instead of EVIL?

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On 8/4/2022 at 6:26 AM, sgmaven said:

 

Anyway, we digress... Modern-day China is a result of the US foreign policy, when the US decided to support Mao Zedong's PLA during WW2 with armaments to combat the Japanese. Not that Chiang Kaishek was much better. I daren't even dream of a China where Chiang had won the war against Mao, since he was no angel either.

 

 

Why you want to blame America for allowing the power of China to surge by supporting Mao,  when you yourself recognize that Chiang Kai-shek would have been worse than Mao? 

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On 8/4/2022 at 10:20 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

I remember vividly the last hours before the invasion.  Saddam Hussein saw it coming and at the 11th hour changed his position, allowing inspectors to come into his country to dispel the rumors of "weapons of mass destruction".   But this was too late.   The US military was in position,  and they didn't get there for nothing.

 

It was SO CLEAR the willingness of the Bush Administration to start the Iraq war!   It was so clear the ambition of these war mongers to destroy Hussein and profiteer from the war!  This solidified my total opposition to the Republican Party, which I hold today as the CANCER of America.  

 

Al Gore could have been a good President had he been elected in 2000.   And we Americans though so too, since Gore did win the popular vote by half a million votes.  But he lost the "electoral college"  thanks to a decision of the Supreme Court.  A politicized court with Republican majority. 

 

Much good would come to the world if the Republicans loose power in America for a couple of decades at least.   The recent support of Republicans for the trip of Nancy Pelosi to Taiwan reflects their principles of resolving conflicts with military confrontation. 


Bill Clinton did not do enough to prevent 9/11. He was distracted with his impeachment and probably what led him to the impeachment in the first place. Bush had to respond after 9/11. If Bush did not respond, he will be blamed for being weak. 
 

Al Gore would have been a terrible president because he would be Clinton 2.0. Bush approval rating soared and this showed that the people agreed with how he performed. 
 

People are looking forward to mid-terms elections this November to kick out Democrats. They’re fed up with all the soft on crime policies pushed by activist Democrat District Attorneys, woke leaders who are lost about solving the multiple crisis. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 11:08 AM, Dart said:

 

The summary of Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan and its consequences as depicted by WION 

 

 

The video you posted is nothing but some opinion by WION.  They don't have any more factual information than anyone else.  The intentions they assign to the people they talk about is of no more value than my opinion or yours.

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On 8/4/2022 at 10:53 AM, Guest Mississippi Paddlefish said:


Bill Clinton did not do enough to prevent 9/11. He was distracted with his impeachment and probably what led him to the impeachment in the first place. Bush had to respond after 9/11. If Bush did not respond, he will be blamed for being weak. 
 

Al Gore would have been a terrible president because he would be Clinton 2.0. Bush approval rating soared and this showed that the people agreed with how he performed. 
 

People are looking forward to mid-terms elections this November to kick out Democrats. They’re fed up with all the soft on crime policies pushed by activist Democrat District Attorneys, woke leaders who are lost about solving the multiple crisis. 

 

So Clinton had the obligation to prevent 9/11 but Bush had not?  

 

You forgot that 9/11 happened seven months into the presidency of Bush,  and he had plenty of time, and more recent information,  to do something to prevent it,  if this was possible.    And Bush was weak with or without response.  The Iraq war had nothing to do with 9/11.   The Afghanistan war did,  but its original purpose was to fight Al-Quaeda and apprehend the responsible for 9/11,  not to do "nation building" in Afghanistan. 

 

Clinton's presidency was a good one.  During it's time America had a rare year of no national deficit.  Al Gore is a very smart man who would have implemented many positive policies,  like fight climate change.  Bush approval crashed during his term, and this is why the Republicans lost so dramatically in 2008.   And Bush left behind a large depression for Obama to clean up.

 

The big problem of crime in America seems to be more the consequence of the Republican's  soft on guns, than any alleged soft on crime. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 10:24 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

Why you want to blame America for allowing the power of China to surge by supporting Mao,  when you yourself recognize that Chiang Kai-shek would have been worse than Mao? 

Did I say Chiang Kaishek was worse? I merely implied that I did not think he was much better than Mao. Anyway, America had its selfish reasons for backing Mao during WW2. They did not want their own soldiers to die in the war to take Japan. Chinese soldiers was the easier substitute!

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Guest Just world war 3 la

Thanks Pelosi. 

 

Now Singapore can't fly to Taiwan.

Lost tourism money from Taiwan. 

 

Flight cancelled. 

Singaporean have to bear the cost. Especially on long weekend NDP. 

 

Thanks Pelosi for ruining travel plan. 

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On 8/4/2022 at 7:19 PM, sgmaven said:

So, you think that biological weapons are "safer" than nuclear ones? Can you imagine if Sadaam had fired a missile containing the bubonic plague or ebola into a major population centre? Biological weapons are much more difficult to detect, and can be easily disguised. So, I doubt if the added security screening from the 9/11 attacks would be enough to stop that... The impact would be far worse than the targetted strike of a nuclear weapon.

 

Just pointed to what made the UN decide to approve the action against Iraq under the helm of a UN mission.

 

I never said that Biological or chemical weapons are less severe...

 

 

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